A Preview Of The Fact-Free Edwards Media Narrative

by: Chris Bowers

Mon Dec 31, 2007 at 14:47


Virtually the entire media narrative on the Democratic nomination campaign has been Clinton's "experience" vs. Obama's "change." If Edwards wins Iowa, the national media will, at least for one weekend, be forced to think of a new narrative that includes him. Stuart Rothenberg, one of the more reliable producers of clueless conventional wisdom, provides us with a preview of what that narrative will be:

Democrats must decide whether they want a candidate who is angry and confrontational, and who sees those favoring compromise as traitors (Edwards), or a candidate who presents himself as a uniter (Obama), or a candidate who presents herself as someone who understands the ways of Washington and can get things done (Clinton).

Ah, the angry, far-left, confrontational Democrat narrative. Reminds of of the heady days of the Dean campaign. Of course, Rothenberg thinks that anti-corproate rhetoric this will turn off voters:

The former North Carolina senator is running a classic populist campaign that would have made William Jennings Bryan (or Ralph Nader) proud. Everything is Corporate America's fault. But he's also portraying himself as fighting for the middle class and able to appeal to swing voters and even Republicans in a general election.

Edwards certainly would dispute that there is an inherent contradiction between his populist rhetoric and his alleged middle class appeal. But his approach to problems is likely to frighten many voters, including most middle class Americans and virtually all Republicans.

Yes, surely anti-corporate rhetoric will turn off voters. People love big business. Or rather, as I show in the extended entry, outside of Congress, corporations are the least popular institutions in the country, and railing against them has easily made John Edwards the candidate who polls best in the general election against Republicans.

Chris Bowers :: A Preview Of The Fact-Free Edwards Media Narrative
First, corporations are incredibly unpopular:

Gallup Poll. June 11-14, 2007. N=1,007 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3.

"I am going to read you a list of institutions in American society. Please tell me how much confidence you, yourself, have in each one: a great deal, quite a lot, some, or very little. . . ."

Big Business
Great Deal: 7%
Quite A Lot: 11%
Some: 39%
Very Little: 38%

The only other institutions in which people have less confidence are Congress and HMOs. Yeah, people will really hate the anti-corproate rhetoric coming from Edwards. They also think that large corporations have way too little influence in Washington:

"And now a question about the power of different groups in influencing government policy, politicians, and policy makers in Washington. Do you think (READ EACH ITEM) have/has too much or too little power and influence in Washington?"

Big Companies
Too Much: 90%
Too Little: 5%

Corporations are so popular that people want to see corporate influence reduced in Washington by a 16-1 margin, or more than the influence of any other institution in the country. And the above poll actually oversampled Republicans:

The Harris Poll® was conducted by telephone within the United States between November 8 and 13, 2005 among a nationwide cross section of 1,011 adults (aged 18 and over). Figures for age, sex, race, education, number of adults, number of voice/telephone lines in the household, region and size of place were weighted where necessary to align them with their actual proportions in the population.

In theory, with a probability sample of this size, one can say with 95 percent certainty that the overall results have a sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points of what they would be if the entire U.S. adult population had been polled with complete accuracy. Sampling error for the sub-samples of Republicans (335), Democrats (311), and Independents (254) is higher and varies.

This anti-corporate rhetoric has also taken a real toll on Edwards in general election matchups against Republicans. Over the past month, only three polling firms have tested all three the leading Democrats against all three of the top Republicans, CNN, Zogby and Rasmussen. Edwards clearly polls the best in these polls, which are the only currently available apples-to-apples comparisons of how the top three Democrats currently fare in the general election.

Top Dems Vs. Huckabee
Rasmussen
Edwards 49%--37% Huckabee
Obama 45%--41% Huckabee
Clinton 47%--43% Huckbaee
Edwards eight points better than the field

CNN
Edwards 60%--35% Huckabee
Obama 55%--40% Huckabee
Clinton 54%--44% Huckabee
Edwards ten points better than the field

Zogby
Edwards 47%--41% Huckabee
Obama 47%--42% Huckabee
Huckabee 48%--43% Clinton
Edwards one point better than the field

Vs. Romney
Rasmussen
Edwards 50%--34% Romney
Obama 45%-41% Romney
Romney 44%--43% Clinton
Edwards twelve points better than the field

CNN
Edwards 59%--37% Romney
Obama 54%--41% Romney
Clinton 54%--43% Romney
Edwards nine points better than the field

Zogby
Obama 53%--35% Romney
Edwards 50%--38% Romney
Clinton 46%--44% Romney
Obama six points better than Edwards

Vs. McCain
Rasmussen
Edwards 46%--39% McCain
McCain 45%-43% Obama
McCain 49%--43% Clinton
Edwards nine points better than the field

CNN
Edwards 52%--44% McCain
Obama 48%--48% McCain
McCain 50%--48% Clinton
Edwards eight points better than the field

Zogby
Obama 47%--43% McCain
McCain 46%--42% Edwards
McCain 49%--42% Clinton
Obama eight points better than Edwards

So, Edwards outperforms Clinton in all nine apples to apples matchups, by an average of 9.8%. He also outperforms Obama in seven of the nine matchups, including all six of the non-Zogby matchups, by an average of 3.6%. Rather than making him less popular, it seems that railing against the least popular, non-congressional institution in the country has made Edwards the most popular Democrat among the nation as a whole.

Now, it should be obvious that railing against the least popular institution in the country should make you more popular. But hey, Stuart Rothenberg is one of the best examples of how clueless some beltway pundits really are about popular opinion. BooMan Tribune has more on this.


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I love corporations almost, almost.... (4.00 / 3)
..........as much as I want to stick my tongue down Joe Lieberman's throat in a loving kiss of thanks for scolding those DFHs who infest the Internets.

And Chris?

All my friends feel exactly the same way!

Great post I will reprint for my next D/L meeting!

Keep putting the boot in....the people are waking up....

And I don't think they're in great mood.

Peace, Health and Prosperity for Everyone.


I'm Glad You Find This As Irritating As I did (0.00 / 0)
I read that article, too. I found myself searching the page in vain for Stu's email address so I could give him a piece of my mind. You pretty much said it all. Only...much calmer.

easy to find` (0.00 / 0)
stu@rothenbergpoliticalreport.com

It's on his bio page at http://rothenbergpol... which is linked to on the main page.

Things You Don't Talk About in Polite Company: Religion, Politics, the Occasional Intersection of Both


[ Parent ]
THANK YOU! (4.00 / 1)
Better than a ranting email, maybe i'll invite him on a syndicated radio show I coordinate, so that my host can ambush him with, you know, facts.

Dear Stu....


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Personally I'm stunned (4.00 / 1)
Are you saying that all the corporate shills and the corporate-controlled media aren't enthusiastic about the viability of that rhetoric?  Weird...

Yes we Kang

Come Again? (0.00 / 0)
Are you really naive enough to take seriously year-off, hypothetical national match-up polls taken before the first vote in the first primary has been cast?  I know you're not, so how can I conclude you're being anything less than disingenuous?  Or have you simply allowed overzealousness to trump good judgment?

Those polls have no predictive value... (0.00 / 0)
...consider them more like favorability polls.

"Don't hate the media, become the media" -Jello Biafra

[ Parent ]
I'm not saying they are predictive (0.00 / 0)
I'm just saying that available evidence indicates that Edwards's anti-corporate rhetoric doesn't hurt him the way Rothenberg thinks it does.

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Chris and Paul: (0.00 / 0)
Chris, you say those numbers are not predictive and Paul says they're "DATA! aka EVIDENCE".  I am almost at a loss where to start.  So many of the arguments on these pages remind me of the hall of mirrors scene in The Lady From Shanghai - I'm frozen in indecision trying to figure out where to fire first.

Let's start with what the data you cite tells us.  It's a poll of hypothetical match-ups taken nationally almost a year before the general election.  If you want to play in the reality-based community, you have to rigorously understand the meaning and limitations of your input data before you even begin to explore extrapolating it.  And you have to apply some common sense to that process.  Everything I've seen in my experience following elections (and I've been following them fairly closely since 1984) suggests to me that polls of this nature serve two purposes: to get a very general idea of name recognition and positive/negative preconceptions, and, especially in today's media-crazed environment, to feed the endless news cycles with meaningless horse-race thrills.  The notion that any meaningful percentage of the people polled (especially Republicans and independents) are aware of Edwards' declaration of war on corporations is so speculative as to be patently meaningless.

Paul, you wrote:

But, for now at least, in the reality-based community we have no choice but to post with the data we've got, not the data we'd like to have.

Well, there was a poll taken a week or two ago in Iowa, a place where people have actually been paying attention for the last month or two, that shows that Obama is the only candidate that beats all of the major Republican candidates (in Iowa, to be sure) in the same kind of hypothetical head-to-head match-ups.  I find that poll more compelling, but I would never cite it as evidence of anything, and I only mention it to demonstrate what appears to me to be either a willful attempt to selectively filter data or a surprising unawareness on your part.  Your comment, Paul, reads like you're only trying to prove your point rather than engage in any real discussion - which, btw, makes it not a little ironic.

Chris, you decry the CW punditocracy, yet many of the people who post on this site exhibit many of the same kinds of behavior - just shifted a bit to the left: selective use of data to support preconceived narratives; responding to sincere challenges with condescending platitudes, if at all; and creating an echo chamber that just reinforces the whole illusion.  Are thinking people supposed to be satisfied with simply substituting one punditocracy with another?  I suppose in some small way it's nice that your policy views coincide more with mine, but is that all there is?

Maybe I misunderstand this site.  When I first landed on these pages, it looked like a place where sincere, respectful people could engage in an honest exchange of ideas.  But the deeper I dig, the more it looks like it's really something else.  Maybe I'm just in the wrong place? 


[ Parent ]
You can have data (0.00 / 0)
aka evidence that's not 100% predictive. You can guess from history which polls are most reliable. It's not a perfect science.

Banned for posting five straight diaries.

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They're DATA! aka EVIDENCE! (4.00 / 1)
Sure, things are likely to move around quite a bit.  Guiliani, for exmple, could well end up mud-wrestling Cheney for control of ebola virus territory.

But, for now at least, in the reality-based community we have no choice but to post with the data we've got, not the data we'd like to have.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


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Top 1% (0.00 / 0)
I hope Edwards will hone his rhetoric to narrow in more on the top 1% of corporations and big business, the ones who are in the room writing legislation that affects them. The issues he is talking about do not necessarily apply to every big employer in the country as much as it does to the Haliburtons, Exxons, etc. Is that a distinction that can be made?

There you go with the facts again (0.00 / 0)
Rothenberg's a Villager, a GOP hack who just claims to be nonpartisan. He couldn't call a kid for dinner right.

But it seems the Broderite village, from the Unity group to Rothenberg, sure doesn't like it if business is threatened with regulation, environmental controls or labor protection.

There is big business that has nothing to fear - consider Costco - but the bureaucrats who decided Nataline Sarkisyan had to die, well, they rightly should wonder now if investors will flee. So should Halliburton.

Not because Edwards is too angry, but 47 million uninsured Americans are angry. George Bush only got 62 million votes in 2004, so the punditocracy's dismissal of so many millions as something leftish is pure fiction.

It's about fairness, good health, clean air and water, safe workplaces, fair global trade.... those aren't extreme concerns. And people are realizing that a little anger IN their behalf is something that's been lacking for the past 25 years.

If Stu's intent is to hold back Edwards this time, we really could see a South American populism rise in our country. Edwards is close to the center and they'll come to miss him if the economy goes as flatline as I'm expecting.

Thanks for digging out the facts that so perfectly refute him.


The anti-Edwards campaign is actually what will frighten voters (0.00 / 0)
For example, in California we had a ballot initiative to guarantee health care for people with jobs at companies with more than 50 employees. The ballot initiative looked like it would win. So Big Business launched a Big Media campaign starring Governor Gropenator. Gov Gropenator simply threatened that every working class person in the state would end up unemployed if they vote for the initiative, because Big Business would move the jobs elsewhere. Your health care or your food on the table, you get to pick! The ballot initiative narrowly lost.

When people realize their livelihoods are threatened by their aspirations for a decent life, they will give up those aspirations in a heartbeat. Should John Edwards win the nomination the campaign against him will simply threaten to move what's left of America's jobs to Mexico or China or wherever. Arbitrage. The thing Business loves most of all about "free trade"! There is always someone poorer, more tired, and more of a huddled masses that can be counted on to accept less of a scrap from the wealthy man's table. The class war is raging, has been for decades, and working people are losing every battle.

I personally love the fact that Edwards talks about media consolidation and poverty and lack of health care, and in spite of my fondness for Dennis Kucinich I donated money to the Edwards campaign instead. But I recognize that the onslaught against Edwards will be ferocious, if he becomes the nominee. It will make the present anti-Edwards campaign look like a ticker tape parade.


Is it just me, or when you read Rothenberg's column, (0.00 / 0)
can youhear the attack ad voice-over guy cooing:

While Clinton and Obama both acknowledge the importance of working with various interests, including Capitol Hill Republicans and the business community, to come up with solutions to key problems . . . .

then, archly, derisively:

Edwards sounds more and more like the neighborhood bully who plans to dictate what is to be done.

All that's missing is a drama sting and a grave warning that a vote for Edwards will lead to an age of unpardonable rudeness, gridlock, and another terr' attack. I don't know what's more striking: how stupid Rothenberg is, or how stupid he thinks we are.


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