Final Iowa Predictions: Obama and Huckabee

by: Chris Bowers

Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 11:58


As the true junkies reading this blog already know, the final Zogby tracking is in:
Obama: 31 (28)
Edwards: 27 (26)
Clinton: 24 (28)
Richardson: 7 (7)
Biden: 5 (4)
Dodd: 1 (1)
Kucinich: 0 (1)
Unsure: 5 (5)

ARG has a final Iowa poll as well:
Clinton: 34 (31)
Obama: 25 (24)
Edwards: 21 (24)
Biden: 8 (5)
Richardson: 6 (5)
Dodd: 2 (3)
Kucinich: 1 (1)
Unsure: 7 (4)

The final five-poll average is as follows:
Obama: 30.6%
Clinton: 28.6%
Edwards: 24.6%

Sensitive Estimate:
Obama: 29.9%
Clinton: 27.9%
Edwards: 25.9%

Standard Estimate:
Clinton: 29.4%
Obama: 27.4%
Edwards: 25.5%

Edwards had actually moved into second place on the sensitive estimate before the ARG poll. I was going to call Obama first, Edwards second, and Clinton third in Iowa when that was the case, but now I'm not so sure. I still think Obama will win, but now I'll go with Clinton second on the entrance poll, Edwards second in the results. And yes, I that means Obama will receive enough momentum to win New Hampshire, and take the nomination.

Republican numbers, and a retraction of my Romney prediction, are in the extended entry.
Chris Bowers :: Final Iowa Predictions: Obama and Huckabee
Zogby
Huckabee: 31% (28%)
Romney: 25% (26%)
Thompson: 11% (12%)
Paul: 10% (9%)
McCain: 10% (12%)
Giuliani: 6% (7%)
Other / Unsure: 7% (7%)

ARG
Huckabee: 29% (23%)
Romney: 24% (32%)
Thompson: 13% (7%)
McCain: 11% (11%)
Giuliani: 8% (6%)
Paul: 6% (6%)
Other / Unsure: 9% (15%)

Well, Huckabee appears to have pulled out of his brief tailspin, and now leads in every metric of the campaign: five-poll average, sensitive estimate, standard estimate. He even, once again, appears to have a favorable trend. As such, I have no choice but to predict Huckabee as the Republican winner in Iowa, and thus John McCain as the Republican winner in New Hampshire. The Romney dream appears to be over. Dang. This causes real problems, as it opens the door for McCain.

I didn't think there was a path for both Obama and McCain to win New Hampshire, but I can see it now: total Romney collapse. McCain's rise might still hand New Hampshire to Clinton, and I have no idea whatsoever whether McCain or Huckabee will go on to win the Republican nomination. On the one hand, I can see Huckabee winning South Carolina and Florida, and then sweeping to the nomination. On the other hand, I can see former Giuliani supporters lining up behind McCain, along with the rest of the media, allowing him to win not only states like California and New York, but possibly even South Carolina and Florida. It is really a tough call. A Huckabee vs. McCain matchup might very well extend past Super Tuesday, and expose a major regional split among Republicans.

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Well I'm on the case for Huckabee.

We need a good McCain article though.  I would switch to McCain googlebombing if I had a good article running down his bad points.


Pshaw!!!!!! its Edwards (4.00 / 2)
The second choices are falling to Edwards, the late choosers are falling Edwards, the room's excitement will fall to Edwards, the outlier counties will fall to Edwards, the non -viables finally will move to Edwards.
Those are my predictions, watch for John as One, Obama as Two and Hillary coming in three.

But wait till they scratch their heads.

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I can't see Hillary quitting (0.00 / 0)
I can't see Hillary quitting even if she fails to take 1st place in IA, NH, and SC.  She has the money, the organization, and the toughness to keep going to some of the larger state where there are substantial Democratic suburban populations and the advantages aren't so clear.

A longer primary battle would be a good thing IMHO - if nothing else the media would have to take notice of Edwards.

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top 3 or 4 will go through Feb 5th (0.00 / 0)
alot can happen, an opponent could make an unexpected mistake creating a giant opening.  It would be foolish for any of them to quit.  The electorate is very unsettled, I don't think there will be the herd towards one candidate like what occured in 2004, or I could be totally whacked.  In fact I remember Clinton still campaigning well into April in New York against Jerry Brown back in 1992.(early March in today's terms)

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Edwards will win, faith can't be broken (0.00 / 0)
hard to argue with the momentum in the polls, although several caveats are the contradiction of several polls, a possible Wilder effect in Iowa, Clinton and her 500 volunteer army, Edwards strength in the rural areas.

The outcome will be studied for days.

Without a doubt the campaign that has created the superior organization to turnout voters in Iowa will win.  As far as message goes they seem to have split Iowa into 3, you can't say that any one of the campaign's messages is dominating in Iowa.  We'll know soon enough.

PS a McCain victory will not be all that problematic, he's put his foot in his mouth several times already, his speaking style is drab but the villagers may be content to shower him with money lest they lose the White House.


Prognostications (0.00 / 0)
The resdt of us had to vote yesterday, but I think you are right in discerning trends toward both Obama and Huckabee, and Hillary possibly falling to 3rd.  I still think it will be close, and hope for a big turnout on our side and small on theirs to send a message.

OTOH, I think that IA has less impact on NH this year because of a variety of factors, including the noise from 2 competitive races, the multiplicity of candidates, and the closeness of the primaries.  Huckabee will be savaged by the GOP establishment, boosting both McCain and Romney, but he will still win SC and be viable through Feb 5. 

On the Dem side, the top 3 will also fight through Feb 5.  If Obama does win IA by a couple of points, I think McCain won't take as much from him.  McCain is 8 years older, and that means 8 years of new voters at the polls.  If Hillary is 3rd, Obama will get a closer look from more moderate GOPers who have reconciled to her winning, because I think they all know none of the GOPers can win this time.  Especially if the Huckster is surging. If Obama wins IA and comes in 1st or 2d in NH, he will be in good shape going into Feb 5, but I would not discount the impact of Hillary's money and organization.  But at that point he has to be seen as the less establishment of the two, if not the more progressive.  Certainly his whole message deserves serious scrutiny, especially his "poast-partisanship," IF he does suceeed in getting many crossover and Indy votes.

Finally, I would not count Romney out as readily as Trapper John does, because I think that after Huckabee wins SC, he will get much GOP establishment support and he has a whole lot of money.  Again, it won't resolve until at least Feb 5.



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So you're predicting an Edwards win in Iowa? (0.00 / 0)
How does he survive even a second place finish?

I guess he could skip New Hampshire, and try to build a South Carolina firewall, but I don't know how well that will work, considering that he's relatively far behind there.


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