Where can I watch? (0.00 / 0)

Is the debate on Fox News?

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by: Susan S @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 18:27:11 PM CST

Never mind. I found it. n/t (0.00 / 0)

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by: Susan S @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 18:29:47 PM CST

Uncritically repeating Clinton's smears (0.00 / 0)

Where "not taking a position" means "taking the exact position on those votes that Illinois Planned Parenthood requested him to".

"The poor guy is getting all this heat for a strategy we, the pro-choice community, did," said Pam Sutherland, president and CEO of the Illinois Planned Parenthood Council...

Sutherland just laughs. "We also had [Democratic Senate leader] Emil Jones, [current Atty. Gen.] Lisa Madigan, Miguel del Valle, Rickey Hendon and other very strong pro-choice legislators voting `present' on that one," she said. "It was all done to pull `present' votes off the fence."

Obama confirmed Sutherland's account of the legislative strategy and said, "No one was more active to beat back those bills than I was."

Apparently the idea on those bills was to get all the explicitly pro-choice state Senators voting "present" so that the on-the-fencers could vote "present" too without opening themselves up for attack. Seems like kind of a weird strategy, but I assume Planned Parenthood knows what they're doing.

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by: mcc @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 20:28:42 PM CST

Shame on you stoller (0.00 / 0)

That is a horseshit attack and five minutes of googling would explain why, and for you to uncritically repeat it is a blatant hit job

Here's the background, as reported by a guy who was THERE when the defense against Pate Phillip was put together by Planned Parenthood and the Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence:

http://thecapitolfax...

The present votes were political cover for democratic senators in marginal districts to help allow them to vote present, and help prevent losses in a State Senate that was Majority Republican at the time.

Read Rich Miller, be informed.  And Stoller, try using the google.  It works.

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by: Jerry 101 @ Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 13:00:42 PM CST

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Let's hear it! (4.00 / 1)

Let's hear it for that great Amerikkkan:

Ron Paul! Ron Paul! Ron Paul!

He's no Nazi at all! Our Ron Paul!

Paul/Romney 08!

HuckaBee!/McCain 08!

Guliani/Lieberman Unity 08!

The possibilities are mind-boggling.....

Consider me boggled.

Peace, Health and Prosperity for Everyone.

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by: ACitizen @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 20:29:53 PM CST

Thanks for the poll number updates (0.00 / 0)

I had a hard time believing the early polls today showing that Obama had flipped things so drastically. All of the polls show gain for Obama and Edwards which is a great thing.

For me, I hope Edwards keeps rising!

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by: kevin22262 @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 20:35:55 PM CST

Edwards (0.00 / 0)

Edwards with the best line of the night(IE status quo attacking) crystallized what I don't like about him. 

That was a very good attack, but it made me dislike him more on a visceral level.  I'd hate to have to listen to that kind of crap from a president I'd be voting for.

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by: Astera @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 21:15:03 PM CST

Problem with dynasty (4.00 / 1)

McEntee built labor's modern political program, and he was the first major labor leader to back Bill Clinton in 1992.  He is intensely loyal to the Clinton's and the current Democratic establishment (including strong support for Al Wynn).  Lots of people made their bones with Clinton in 1992, and they will do as much as they can to preserve their suburbanized model of politics

There are too many people who rose to power with the Clintons who still have that power and are heavily invested in the Clintons staying in power.  We have the concept of executive term limits for a reason and this is one of them.  The fact that it is a different member of the Clinton clan that is trying to cash in of favors and connections earned through 8 years as head of our country and 16 as de facto head of our party makes it only marginally better.

I am so pleased and proud that people spoke louder than power in Iowa.  It is difficult to predict anything other than an Obama victory in N.H.

My job is not to represent Washington to you, but to represent you to Washington- Obama
Philly for Obama

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by: Luam @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 21:53:44 PM CST

Good point. (0.00 / 0)

It's incredibly stupid of AFSCME to be spending their political funds on ads attacking ANY Democrat, even if they did pick the right one.  It would be better spent attacking Republicans. No wonder the membership is revolting.

And if you think the Norwegians are revolting, you ought to see the Swedes.

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by: Querent @ Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 03:09:13 AM CST

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ticking time bomb (0.00 / 0)

I can't believe ABC and Charlie Gibson spent the whole first 20 minutes on the Nuclear! Terrorism! neocon fantasy scenario. What a waste of time. Especially his tone of hushed seriousness, the whole "this is the most important and most dangerous issue that nobody is talking about" bullshit. Give me a friggin' break.

"I think the economic logic behind dumping a load of toxic waste in the lowest wage country is impeccable and we should face up to that."
-Lawrence Summers

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by: kbuck @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 21:59:25 PM CST

they just had to give a shout out to their own (0.00 / 0)

spectacular exposés of US vulnerability to attack by suitcase nukes.

Speaking of which, Richardson actually said at one point that terrorists had acquired loose nukes. Did I hear that right?

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by: clarkent @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 22:38:11 PM CST

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