The Myth of the Libertarian West

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 14:14


Everyone knows that the West is a land of free spirits, full of cowboys and cowboy wannabess, where the national anthem is "Don't Fence Me In," and nobody wants no big government mucking around, no way, no how.

Only, not so much.

In fact, when it comes to levels of support for spending on domestic government programs, there is very little difference between the regions, as one can tell from just a cursory glance at the following table, based on combined measure of suport for eight domestic spending items tracked by the General Social Survey:

Domestic Spending Preferences
By Region
 NortheastMidwestSouth West
MUCH TOO LITTLE
5-8 Items Net
20.819.620.420.7
TOO LITTLE
1-4 Items Net
56.854.653.254.6
ABOUT RIGHT
Net
8.99.710.18.8
TOO MUCH
1-8 Items Net
13.516.116.316.0

Now, you might object that the "West" jams together California with all its coastal elites alongside the "true Westerners" from states like Idaho, Montana and Nevada.  So here's a breakdown of the West into its two sub-regions:

Domestic Spending Preferences
Within The West
  MOUNTAINPACIFIC
MUCH TOO LITTLE
5-8 Items Net
18.421.7
TOO LITTLE
1-4 Items Net
55.854.0
ABOUT RIGHT
Net
8.78.8
TOO MUCH
1-8 Items Net
17.115.5

As you can see, there's a slight difference between the two, but the big picture story is exactly the same: there is much more support for spending more than for spending less.

Now, I'm not for a moment suggesting that there's nothing at all behind the perception of a libertarian West.  But I am suggesting that it's a good deal more complicated than your average would-be pundit supposes. And these figures offer indisputable proof.

This matters for a very significant reason:  As the GOP shows signs of fracturing during this primary season, Mike Huckabee is the figure touting a form of economic populism that naturally encompasses more government spending.  But he comes from a religious context that is much more deeply rooted in the South, and for that reason alone, he has distinctly less resonance in the West.  Yet, these figures stongly indicate that if enough different factors combine to energize economic populism generally, there is as much potential for a shakeup in the West as there is anywhere else. And this becomes important because of Tom Schaller's thesis in Whistling Past Dixie: How Democrats Can Win Without the South.

Before saying anything more, though, let's take a quick peek at conservatives alone, just to make sure that they don't have any geographic peculiarities.  Well do that right after the jump.

Paul Rosenberg :: The Myth of the Libertarian West
Conservative Spending Preferences

As can be seen in the chart just below, when it comes to domestic spending preferences, there is little in the way of regional differences among conservatives as well:

Domestic Spending Preferences
Of Conservatives By Region
 NortheastMidwestSouth West
MUCH TOO LITTLE
5-8 Items Net
12.713.414.512.6
TOO LITTLE
1-4 Items Net
52.951.850.752.9
ABOUT RIGHT
Net
12.210.711.19.7
TOO MUCH
1-8 Items Net
22.324.223.824.8

Again, we check the Mountain West in contrast to the Pacific Coast, and find only a superficially noticable differnce on the top line (more spending for 5-8 items), but no significant difference overall: there are still more conservatives who favor spending more (with numbers in the 60s) compared to those who favor spending less (with numbers in the 20s).

Domestic Spending Preferences
Among Conservatives
Within The West
  MOUNTAINPACIFIC
MUCH TOO LITTLE
5-8 Items Net
9.813.9
TOO LITTLE
1-4 Items Net
53.152.8
ABOUT RIGHT
Net
10.99.2
TOO MUCH
1-8 Items Net
26.224.1

Discussion

What I take all the above to mean is that support for domestic spending that Huckabee expresses from a conservative point of view has other sources of support among conservatives apart from his religious background.  The further conclusion is that there are potentially ways to appeal to conservatives on spending issues that may not require negotiating with aspects of his cultural background that would compromise core Democratic values and/or harm core Democratic constituencies.  This is a restatement of Shaller's key argument: Democrats should not try to build their national campaigns and overall political strategy around appealing to our political adversaries.  Appealing as it may be to have Huckabee exposing contradictions that have long simmered in the heart of Southern conservative red America, this is not necessarily where we should focus our attention, and it should not be the template that we force everything else into.

Rather, as Schaller argues in Whistling Past Dixie, there are culturally and geographically specific facts that argue for a diversified approach to developing winning policies throughout the West.  When it comes to spending issues in general, the broad point should be made that we should look for opportunities that can become signature issues.  Some examples include:

(1) Rural broadband access as a 21st Century follow-on to rural electrification.

(2) Aggressive federal/state/local cooperation in fighting the specific impacts of global warming, starting with a major initiative against wildfire dangers-since it is something that dramatically affects large areas across the entire West.

(3) A sustained investment policy in a wide-ranging plan for alternative energy and energy conservation.

The point in all such programs is that people in the American West face outsized problems that they cannot possibly solve on their own.  This fundamental fact is psychologically difficult for anyone to face, but is especially difficult because of significant elements of Western culture and psychology.  However, the entire effort can be framed in terms of an action partnership, in which the primary focus is on the action potential, and this can create the possibility for a long-term transformation in basic attitudes, which can be accomplished with none of deep cultural conflicts that would be inherent in trying to accomodate the socially conservative aspects of Huckabee's base.


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Good points, as usual (0.00 / 0)
The non-coastal West is libertarian, "leave me alone" conservatives.  This is very different from personal intervention social conservatives like the religious right.  The real objection to the Federal Gov't was to federal ownership of so much land (in some states and areas well oiver 50% of the land), which reduced local control and and hampered development.  Now that the extraction interests have captured DC and the natural resource agencies and are fencing out hunters and fishermen and ruining the environment, the tables are turning.

The dirty little secret of rural areas is that they are MUCH more dependent on Gov't programs in many ways, from rural electrification and highways in the middle third of the last century to linking with the 21st Century communications technology today.  And Social Security.  And expanding health care.  And they are less internationalist.  Immigration is a wild card, but even in AZ the objection is to the disorderliness of the migration as much as to the fact of immigrants themselves, I think.  That is a federal failing, as Gov Napolitano makes clear.

John McCain--He's not who you think he is.


The Mythology Is What Kills Them (0.00 / 0)
Traditionally, historically, over the course of millenia, rural communities have been self-sufficient, and urban ones have been dependent.  But it's almost never been that way in America, since our very being here as a settler culture was dependent on traders and seamen.  After that, every step of the way, rural settlement was dependent on having ties back to civilization.

This didn't make daily life any easier--quite the opposite, being in such a precarious situation made things much harder than it is for traditional rural communities--both those who farm directly and the small population of non-farmers tightly tied to them.  And yet, it was a dependency they could not escape.

So, as I see it, there is a fundamental existential contradiction in our rural communities, and we need to find ways that we can begin to address that, even though people are intensely phobic about getting anywhere near to addressing it.

Also, for some reason, as soon as I started writing this comment, "Where Have All The Cowboys Gone?" popped into my head.  It's got all these elements mixed up in it--the circulation of mythic imagery, the mediation of 19th Century icons and late 20th Century daily life through rusted out classic cars, the dislocation due to uncontrollable economic hard times, the helplessness of human relations trapped in that reality.  A really, truly brilliant little song.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Rural Broadbrand (0.00 / 0)
I like this.  I actually think it should be a bigger priority  than the public municipal wi-fi that sometimes comes up as an issue.  I don't think I've ever seen a lefty website talk about rural broadband.

Things You Don't Talk About in Polite Company: Religion, Politics, the Occasional Intersection of Both

Others Have Talked About It (0.00 / 0)
Not claiiming any originality here.  You will diaries about it on DKos if you keep your eyes out, or Google for them.

See the Rural Broadband Coalition.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Methodology (0.00 / 0)
Paul - Great posts. Quick question for you on this post and the one before using GSS data. Where can we find this raw data? And are these numbers averages over the years, or the numbers just in the last few years? I can't tell what these numbers really ARE and where precisely you got them - but I'd like to know because I'd like to delve into them.

Good Questions (0.00 / 0)
I didn't go into that, because I tend to get bogged down in too much detail, but I'm happy to exaplain.

Both GSS and ANES data are available at UC Berkeley's SDA Archive (plus other goodies).

I was using the GSS Cumulative Datafile 1972-2006

These are from the full range, so that the Mountain subsample would be large enough to be fairly reliable--1,234, in fact. Generally, spending variables  tend to cycle over the years, so the longterm total for anything you do with them will tend to be a good midpoint, and an aggregate variable like this will cycle within a narrower range, making the longterm data even more reliable. 

The Huckabee post used data from 1994-2006, so it would reflect basically the era of GOP control of Congress (though, obviously, starting a little before they took over).  I was less concerned about sample size, because I knew that the progression across the ideological spectrum would provide a predictable pattern.  In contrast, I was less sure of what I'd see with the regional breakdown, so I wanted as large a dataset as I could get.

As for the variable used, it's a temporary one I created--it's easy to do with the interface they have, using an intermediary variable I also created. These variables will expire over time--depending how quickly new ones are created by other users.  But they can easily be recreated.

I created the first variable to combine support for eight spending in eight areas, and then a second one to group the values once I saw what sort of distribution I had to work with.  It produces a net count--2 "too littles" and 1 "too much" is counted the same ads 1 "too little," for example.

Here's the info on the underlyhing variable:


NATSPENDNR 
  NatSpend--Aggregate Spending Var
Description of the Variable

**
Created by COMPUTE version 3.2
on Dec 26, 2007  (Wed 09:13 PM PST)

NatSpendNR=(NATCITY+NATDRUG+NATEDUC+NATENVIR+NATFARE+NATHEAL+NATRACE+NATSPAC)/8

Input variables:

NATCITY: SOLVING PROBLEMS OF BIG CITIES

NATDRUG: DEALING WITH DRUG ADDICTION

NATEDUC: IMPROVING NATIONS EDUCATION SYSTEM

NATENVIR: IMPROVING  PROTECTING ENVIRONMENT

NATFARE: WELFARE

NATHEAL: IMPROVING  PROTECTING NATIONS HEALTH

NATRACE: IMPROVING THE CONDITIONS OF BLACKS

And the second variable:

Created by COMPUTE version 3.2
on Dec 26, 2007  (Wed 09:19 PM PST)

If (NatSpendNR LT 1.5)
  NatSpend=0
ElseIf (NatSpendNR LT 2)
  NatSpend=1
ElseIf (NatSpendNR EQ 2)
  NatSpend=2
Else
  NatSpend=3
EndIf

Input variable:

NatSpendNR: NatSpend--Aggregate Spending Var

Any more questions, you can email me at the address on my users page.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Well done, Paul. (4.00 / 1)
You've captured us pretty well.  We do claim a regional libertarian narrative.  But, it is a claim that isn't as well supported by the facts on the ground.  It's more one of those things we like to believe of ourselves, and levy at others.  Truth is we are dependent, especially on regional markets, and feel helpless in the face of DC antics.  The specific projects you name are key entry points for a meaningful dialog in this part of the country. You'd find some fairly erudite folks out here who'd argue (along with you) that broadband and telecommunications access is essential for some of these more rural areas to thrive.  We may not be as libertarian as we'd wish to believe, but we do tend to be pragmatic.  We have problems we need to solve, we are suspicious of someone from the gov't who has come to help, but we can be engaged on specifics. 

Heh (4.00 / 1)
When I read Rick Perlstein's excellent book "Before the Storm: Barry Goldwater and the Unmaking of the American Consensus" several months ago (yeah, I know, I was quite late to that party), I was amused and not a bit surprised that Mr. Self-Reliant No Handouts Anti-New Deal Small Government Conservative's family business (Goldwaters, a chain of AZ-based department stores) owed much if not most of its success to, um, the huge investment that the federal government made in his state under the New Deal.

Seems that all those horrible, evil, un-American, socialistic, wealth redistributing, high tax, big government, commie pinko policies haven't been too unkind to those who claim to be most against them. Nah, that's not hypocritical. Delusional is more like it.

But so long as you wear a cowboy hat and shoot elk, none of that matters, cuz you're a Rugged Self-Reliant Real Man! (For whom I believe that the images of He-Man Cheney shooting tame birds as they're let out of a cage on a corporate "ranch", Real Man Bush clearing brush on his "spread", and Marlboro Man Reagan on a horse with a western setting on his Santa Barbara estate, are the ultimate self-parodic symbols. The fact that lots of fools--who were themselves desperately in need of seeing themselves in such a heroic guise even though it was undeserved--bought into this does not in any way change this.)

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton


Suburban Warriors Is Also Excellent In This Regard (4.00 / 2)
Focused on Orange County, Suburban Warriors: The Origins of the New American Right by Lisa McGirr tells a tale in which military-industrial government investment in the post-WWII era is the vital mega-cash infusion from which endless streams of subsequent wealth have flowed.

The flows of money were so huge, that first real estate, and then entire tertiary industries sprang up, so that it really was honestly possible for folks to have no idea that the govenment was the engine driving the never-ending train of riches on which they found themselves riding.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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IIRC Perlstein also discussed (4.00 / 1)
the importance of OC in the rise of modern conservatism, and how its own economic and political rise was due to massive federal investment, especially in defense-related industries. He cited the founder of Knott's Berry Farm, which wouldn't have succeeded were it not for this investment, in being pivotal in the Goldwater movement.

From bombs to jelly to amusement parks back to bombs. You can't make this stuff up.

Ironic--but not really--that those who have arguably most benefited from federal largesse should be the ones who are most vocally (but of course not actually) against it, and that they've exploited this alleged anti-governmentism to convert the masses to their side.

Biting the hand that feeds you can be a winning strategy, apparently. Perhaps it wouldn't be such a bad idea to withold that hand a bit--from those who least deserve or need it.

Of course, that will only fuel the next conservative wave. But it's coming one way or another, so we might as well starve that beast at the outset.

No more guns for berries!

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton


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