Class War In the Nevada Caucus

by: Chris Bowers

Sun Jan 13, 2008 at 21:46


In early 2004, I was working in the Chicago area for the Illinois Federation of Teachers, a state branch of the American Federation of Teachers (AFT). The AFT is very much my family union, and it has been a big help to both my mother, who in 1972 was fired from a middle school English teaching job for being pregnant, and to me, as the AFT helped organize my graduate school and then gave me a job after that, at over the past thirty-five years. As such, When the AFT endorsed Hillary Clinton, their endorsement meant a lot to me, even if at times I have disagreed with the direction of the union. My mother is a big Hillary Clinton backer herself, and given the union's demographics I have little difficulty believing that the membership as a whole supported their endorsement.

When I was working for the AFT, on three separate occasions in a three-month period we worked on new organizing campaigns were a local state branch of the National Education Association was the main opponent, rather than any school administration. The nastiest and most difficult of those three campaigns took place at a local community college in Cook County, which was so close that it required a second election (only one vote separated the two unions in the first election, and the five votes for "no union" necessitated a second election). During the second election, on more than one occasion I heard a teacher I was canvassing say a variation on the following: "you know, the problem with the AFT is that they are affiliated with the AFL-CIO." It was coded language for stating that the AFT was bad because it associated with blue collar and service unions, rather than being a professionally focused organization like the, at the time, non-AFL-CIO affiliated NEA. This new, loaded, class based messaging worked for the NEA in the second election too, as they cruised to a twenty-vote victory the second time around (about 150 people voted in both elections, so a twenty vote victory is big).

When I first heard that the NEA was suing to close down the precincts on The Strip in next Saturday's Nevada caucuses, that incident of elitist, class-based campaigning by the NEA immediately came to mind. (More in the extended entry).
Chris Bowers :: Class War In the Nevada Caucus
The teachers union has drawn knives on the Culinary Workers, deepening the potential political rifts over Nevada's Jan. 19 Democratic caucus.

A lawsuit filed late Friday in federal court seeks to stop the Democratic Party from holding caucus meetings at nine Strip hotels, which would diminish the influence of casino workers and hamper Illinois Sen. Barack Obama's campaign.

Whatever the details of the lawsuit, which Jeralyn Merit thinks might have some validity, I am with Josh Marhsall in finding the timing of the lawsuit extremely suspicious. While the NEA hasn't endorsed Clinton or anyone else, considering the demographics of their union I would be shocked if most of their members, and nearly all of their leadership, did not support her. If this lawsuit was based purely on civics issues, then it would have been filed months ago when the at-large precincts on The Strip were first introduced. Instead, this strikes me as nothing more than a class-based power play by one large union against another large union, based entirely as a counterattack against the recent UNITE-HERE endorsement of Obama in Nevada. It is yet another form of the identity politics in this campaign getting ugly, especially when coming from Clinton surrogates and supporters. I'm not that Clinton hasn't had to put up with a wave of sexist bullshit, just that I once again agree with Josh Marshall in that, over the last four or five days, I think the talk from Clinton supporters has been particularly nasty.

It is really disgusting to see anyone try to disenfranchise anyone else, but for a Democratic-leaning union to do so in a primary against hotel and casino workers on socioeconomic grounds is particularly revolting. I hope the Clinton campaign works to help defeat this lawsuit, because no Democrat should stand for this kind of bullshit. Right now, the Clinton campaign appears noncommittal on the lawsuit.  Disenfranchising Democrats has been a long-standing tactic of many conservative organizations and Republican campaigns. If we don't fight against it when it happens in our own party, our efforts to prevent it in general elections become all the weaker. Shame, shame on the NEA, and cheers to anyone who meaningfully fights against this lawsuit.


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I have yet to ever comment here.... (4.00 / 1)
but if the argument which I have read a couple of times in different places states the teachers union is upset b/c their own members won't be able to participate because they have to work.  Isn't the caucus taking place on Saturday?  Does the teachers union have a large amount of its members working on Saturday?  I don't get it.  Can someone explain better please?

Clintons want to win (0.00 / 0)
that is the reason.

Nothing will change if Hillary is elected.  If you like filibusters vote Hillary.

We need the folks who are endorsing Obama to get anything done after the election...like it or not.


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Ha! (0.00 / 0)
Yeah the republicans will filibuster the Senate if Hillary is President but if Obama is President they will just rollover and want their bellies rubbed! LOL.

The things one reads!


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Ha! Yourself. (0.00 / 0)
I don't think that's what the commenter meant.
First of all, with Obama as the nominee, the 60 senator threshhold seems at least remotely possible -- ie no filibuster.
Second, if you think that the Clintons wouldn't LOVE to use Republican filibustering as an excuse to protect their corporate buddies, you're wrong.

Obama should be better. He couldn't be worse.

Oh, and he's not trying to STOP DEMOCRATS FROM PARTICIPATING THE POLITICAL PROCESS.

The things one reads!


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I'm not all that up on this, but (0.00 / 0)
My understanding is that the reason why the strip workers get their own primaries is that they applied for, and received, an exception, months ago. Perhaps this is oversimplifying but it seems like if there were others who could have used an exception, they surely could have, and would have, applied for such as well;  I'm certainly not hearing claims anyone else did apply and was turned down.

The fact that (as far as I know) the suit is demanding the existing exceptional caucus locations get shut down-- not that new exceptional caucus locations be added-- seems to bolster the idea that this lawsuit has absolutely nothing to do with concerns about strip workers getting "special treatment" and everything to do with denying the strip workers equal treatment under an open process that everyone had access to even if ultimately only the strip workers took advantage of it.


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Too Funny (1.71 / 7)
The politics of identity indeed. Had this been Hillary endorsed by the Culinary Workers and the lawsuit was working in reverse we wouldn't hear a peep from Chris or any other Obama supporters. Well I take that back. They would be crying 'equal rights' for those who do not work on the Strip and don't have the same special privileges so they can't caucus - which is what the lawsuit is all about.

It's amazing that Democrats who support Obama put his unintentional advantage over the Equal Rights of Everyone. Well maybe not so amazing as they find it easy to overlook all the uncomfortable stuff about him and keep drinking the kool-aide instead of looking at fairness for all voters. These are the same people who were up in arms over the voter suppression in Ohio but turn a blind eye to the disenfranchised voters of Nevada as long as they are not Obama supporters. The hypocrisy is so thick that you can cut it with a knife. It's so thick it makes you gag.

The truth is that if special privileges are offered to one they should be offered to all when it comes to voting. Apparently that is a bridge to far for Obama supporters.

No Clinton is not going to get involved in this. She made that clear this morning on MTP. It's not her lawsuit and she has nothing to do with it.

But she did remind everyone, and this is something that you would never read on these front pages, that she was making an issue about the Iowa caucuses before this suit was ever filed. She was talking about the unfairness of caucuses because some people who want to participate in the process can't because of health, or job, or other responsibilities, or just the limited timing that there is to attend. Remember there is no absentee voting or surrogate voting or polls open all day.

She said that carcases disenfranchise some voters and keeps them from participating in democracy. That is what she was saying in Iowa.

So for her to think the same thing in Nevada is perfectly consistent with where she was at on the issue on January 3rd - Iowa.

Now the question here should be for those who truly believe in democracy and the Equal Rights of Everyone, and not disenfranchising voters is.... (drum role)....

Will Barrak Obama Step up and speak up for those disenfranchised voters who this lawsuit is all about!!! Will He?

After all Mr. Inclusive wouldn't dare not speak for the disenfranchised would he? Or will he put Obama over voters?

Come on Barrak - which is it - Rhetoric or Action? That's the question that should be asked. Along with why 'you' reading this, if you agree with Chris, are not standing up for the the Equal Rights of Everyone when it come to voting.


what she said in Iowa... (0.00 / 0)
The question is, why didn't she say that about what happened in Las Vegas when it happened? Or why didn't she say it when she lost in Iowa? Does the timing not bother you at all?

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No It Doesn't Bother Me (0.00 / 0)
Because if as I mentioned the tables were turned we would would be hearing all kinds of 'unfairness' cries from the Obama people. I'd bet my house on that.

Is the union filing the suit really representing the Voting Rights of disenfranchised voters. Yes they are.

Are they also trying to level the playing field so Obama doesn't have an unfair advantage. Maybe so.

But if you and Chris and others are going to cry foul because you don't want the disenfranchised to have equal rights then you need to look inward and be more upset about your values than the timing of a suit.

And if you and Chris and others actually want the suit to go away so Obama can have an unfair advantage over any candidate then you don't believe in fair election and you should evaluate your values.

All that said it is highly unlikely that people will vote lockstep with their union. Plus there are undoubtedly those in the union that will vote Republican. But none of that negates the fact that there are disenfranchised voters and I challenge Chris to rethink his position and see which he supports most - Fairness for all voters or an Unfair voting advantage Obama?


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Re: Flawed Argument (4.00 / 7)
You know, I hate to say it, because it sounds flame-worthy, but that has to be one of the worst examples of rhetorical slight of hand I have ever seen. Let's look at what you did:

1. Created a hypothetical in which UNITE-HERE had endorsed Clinton and it was Obama's supporters suing. You then make the assumption that Bowers and other "Obama supporters" (nice trick, but Bowers never endorsed him) would have supported the lawsuit.

This is changing the subject. Instead of dealing with the issue at hand, you ironically cede that it is "disenfranchisment" but try to change the conversation by creating a hypothetical and accusing the other side of hypocrisy. The problem is, you have no evidence to support this, especially since Bowers has been critical of Obama in many previous examples, especially over his post-partisan rhetoric.

2. You then start attacking these supporters, saying "It's amazing that Democrats who support Obama put his unintentional advantage over the Equal Rights of Everyone." Once again, you are changing the subject instead of dealing with the issue at hand, and somehow trying to make this about teachers being disenfranchised. Even if this were the case, you are using some of weirdest, most Hammerabic logic I have ever seen. Two wrongs don't make a right, so disenfranchising one since another is supposedly disenfranchised is not a justified action, and gains nothing for anybody, except perhaps the Clinton campaign by suppressing voters they assume to not be supporting her. This would have been like reacting to Jim Crow laws by taking away ALL Southerners' right to vote. Taking away those precincts won't be allowing the teachers to come out any more, it will only SUPPRESS votes, something you keep trying to ignore in this comment.

3. You go on to make a the contradictory claim that Clinton is completely neutral about this, and so deserves no criticism (so being neutral in the face of injustice is ok now?), while at the same time trying to make it look like she is somehow supporting voter enfranchisement by citing her attacks on the Iowa caucus as unfair to workers. While that may be valid criticism, that in no way excuses her neutrality on an issue in which one group is trying to disenfranchise workers (even if it is for fairness, which is barely comparable since few teachers will have this problem, ), since it seems to go against her very view, being that workers should be given a bigger voice in caucus, one you would hope a committed politician would try to put into action in a situation relevant.

4. You then, once again, try to change the subject by putting the ball in Obama's court, and saying "Will Barrak Obama Step up and speak up for those disenfranchised voters who this lawsuit is all about!!! Will He?" Fact is, you seem to be missing the point of this all. Perhaps Obama should make a statement, but he has no obligation to, as none of his supporters are a part of the lawsuit (it is the NEA vs.  the Nevada Democratic Party, and yes, when all the heads of an organization have endorsed Clinton, and they are heading the lawsuit, and they are claiming she has a disadvantage in the current system, it is her supporters leading the charge). Trying to say he should make a statement, when he has no reason to do so, is very intellectually misleading, as it somehow makes this all his fault, when there is no such fault present.

5. Finally, you end it off with this whopper:

"Come on Barrak - which is it - Rhetoric or Action? That's the question that should be asked. Along with why 'you' reading this, if you agree with Chris, are not standing up for the the Equal Rights of Everyone when it come to voting."

Congrats, besides spelling the guy's name wrong, you've managed to change the entire subject so you can't deal with the one at hand, being that workers are being disenfranchised by supporters of the Clinton campaign, and she is doing nothing about it, despite claiming to want more worker enfranchisement in the caucus system. Protagoras and Thrasymachus would be proud.

Former Edwards Supporter, Obama Supporter since January 30, 2008


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Nope (0.00 / 0)
1 & 2, etc - - Not changing the subject. Just presenting another side of the story, another viewpoint, which is fair.

The entire accusation that this is politically motivated is a biased viewpoint so why shouldn't I turn the tables. Turning the tables is a valid argument that even you must have used in your life and plays out around the world everyday. One viewpoint to another - but yet you find that unfair. I guess only view points that match your view are valid? Sorry but your wrong.

And the topper is all those words you write and you not once stand up for disenfranchised voters.

If that is who you are - an unfair biased voter more interested in your own agenda instead of what is right for democracy then I'm not going to waste any more time on you.

You had your chance to stand up for others. You chose not to do that.


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Re: "Valid" (0.00 / 0)
Well, with "all the words I write" (yes, I write a lot of words, and no matter how sarcastic or bold you make it, this won't be a bad thing), I DO support enfranchisement, as if you looked down, oh, about 2 inches, you'll notice I said I would be totally for making all precincts open, so that the teachers would have equal rights (but hey, I guess it would be too much to expect of you to actually look up "all the words" I write before assuming whether I had said anything).

As well, just calling me biased is once again, proving that you haven't read anything else I have said, as I was an Edwards supporter, who has been quite critical of Obama in the past, and am currently undecided. You're not turning the tables by making guesses about how the other side would react in a hypothetical. It has no basis in reality (you know, that place where we are talking?), and is just you guessing, and trying to change the subject by ignoring the fact that this is DISENFRANCHISING WORKERS. It doesn't matter if they have a supposedly unfair advantage, it is still disenfranchising other voters, which seems to be based on the Hammerabic principle of "an eye for an eye," a concept which the American legal system not only doesn't endorse, but explicately opposes. If you really gave a crap about enfranchisement, you would be arguing for opening up more precincts, not trying to close ones that lean towards Obama down.

Former Edwards Supporter, Obama Supporter since January 30, 2008


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Oh Good (0.00 / 0)
I'm glad you do support enfranchisement.

Truth of the matter is when I read someone telling me that my rebuttal viewpoint is not valid and that only the viewpoint of that I am rebutting is - I quit reading. So I didn't see your support statement. Now if only you would graciously allow others to have a viewpoint instead of telling them they can't.


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Re: Viewpoint (0.00 / 0)
I'm not telling you you can't have your viewpoint, I'm telling you it has nothing to do with what we are talking about, which is an attempt to disenfranchise Casino workers. I have already written more a little bit down from here, so read there, and maybe next time, even if you disagree with someone, you'll actually read about them before making baseless accusations.

Former Edwards Supporter, Obama Supporter since January 30, 2008

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I take it back (0.00 / 0)
I just read your post and I don't see where you say you want all open precincts.

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Are you blind? (0.00 / 0)
I said "Look below" in reference to a post half a scroll down in which I say this. Good god, are you trying to make me have a face-palm?

Former Edwards Supporter, Obama Supporter since January 30, 2008

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The Clinton comment about the Iowa (0.00 / 0)
Caucuses was widely interpreted - correctly so I believe - as an attempt to manage expectations in Iowa.  It was uttered in the dying days of the Iowa campaign when it became clear she was in trouble. 

Please site an example from 1992 to 2007 where Hillary or Bill EVER said that Caucuses were undemocratic.


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That's what you believe (0.00 / 0)
and you are entitled to do so. But she still brought it up and regardless of your reasoning of her making the argument...

Her argument is still very valid which is I guess why you don't argue against it instead of arguing against the why of it.

Classic attack the messenger if you can't attack the message itself.

And I also see that you agreed with the guy who was basically saying my argument were invalid. Well I notice that you don't argue the points themselves because they are just as valid as a viewpoint as is the 'viewpoint' that Chris introduced - the viewpoint that he nor anyone else can prove.

But let me ask you this and see if you will answer. There are no doubt disenfranchised voters being represented in the lawsuit as I pointed out. So here is the question:

Should Obama speak up for those disenfranchised workers and support the lawsuit? Should he back his rhetoric of Inclusiveness?


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God, (0.00 / 0)
once again, this is not the issue. The lawsuit is not about whether or not to give better precincts to teachers, it is whether to take away ones from casino workers. Perhaps he should come out in support of teacher precincts, but it won't matter, as no one is even talking about giving them more precincts, so he would be endorsing a policy which doesn't exist, nor is even being voted on before it will matter (unless someone brings it up in like the next 12 hours, which is unlikely to happen, as the NEA is too busy attacking other precincts to get their own). Anyways, using your same logic, ALL of the candidates should be attacked for not coming out and saying this, since Clinton hasn't either, and if anything, since there IS a connection to her supporters, she has a bigger obligation to do so.

Former Edwards Supporter, Obama Supporter since January 30, 2008

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You have no idea what you are talking about (0.00 / 1)
The lawsuit is about fairness. Why don't you go read it or at least an unbiased summary of it.

Ever hear of the Equal Rights Amendment? It's not about taking anything away from people. It is about providing everyone with the same rights.

Now go away you are uninformed.


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This is getting old... (0.00 / 0)
A) Learn to check your writing before you post. I am getting sick of seeing such bad spelling and grammar.

B) ERA is about adding rights. This lawsuit is not, and is trying to get rid of precincts. As well, are the New York Times, Washington Post, Daily Kos, and OpenLeft all giving "biased accounts"? If so, then heaven forbid what is in store for us, as no media can be trusted anymore, not even Progessive media!

Former Edwards Supporter, Obama Supporter since January 30, 2008


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As a note, I didn't mean to imply that the Washington Post was Progressive media, that was a mistake in my structure. (0.00 / 0)


Former Edwards Supporter, Obama Supporter since January 30, 2008

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Bad Faith (4.00 / 8)
Stop showing up here to make bad faith arguments while accusing others of making bad faith arguments. Everything you write here starts a fight. Go do that somewhere else.

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Thank you, Chris. (0.00 / 0)
And maybe you can explain to him yourself that you never endorsed Obama, and are not an Obama supporter. Perhaps if he hears it from the horse's mouth it will finally click.

Former Edwards Supporter, Obama Supporter since January 30, 2008

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sock puppet? (0.00 / 0)
it is beginning to seem like you are a front for the clinton campaign. imho

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Just pros at work, surely (0.00 / 0)
I've nothing to say on the merits.

But - surely using the courts to get a political win is American as apple pie?

Besides, it rather begs the question what our own party consists of: so far as I'm aware, there's no sort of formal status of union affiliation, in the way that unions are affiliated to the British Labour Party.

In fact, I believe that most unions like to keep their options open, sometimes even going so far as endorsing GOP candidates in general elections.

Plus - we know that many Dem candidates rely on corporate PACs, big bundlers and other such sources of funds to make ends meet: the NEAlawsuit is surely no more corrupt in principle.


The Solution Is Simple -- (0.00 / 0)
All of the Democratic Caucus Sites should be declared Open Precincts -- let anyone voice their opinion and cast there vote anywhere, and the lawsuit will become moot.

Re: All Open (0.00 / 0)
Yes! I agree completely. If the NEA had said this, I think most people, including myself, would have supported them. Instead, tried to disenfranchise others, which kind of goes against the whole "two wrongs don't make a right" concept which for all intents and purposes in a part of American law.

Former Edwards Supporter, Obama Supporter since January 30, 2008

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So the question is.. (0.00 / 0)
So, is progressivesouls a paid Clinton operative, or just overzealous.

Certainly, if some are open, all caucuses should be open, but that doesn't mean much.  After all, the whole point is workers on the Strip actually have to work on the weekend.  Those at home on the weekend will want to go near their home, anyway.  I'm not sure I buy this at all:

The teachers union says many of their members will be unable to vote because at caucus time they are required to assist with caucuses being held at the schools they work at, even if they live in different precincts, which will prevent them from voting at their own caucuses.

Required by whom?

Anyway, the solution to issues like this should ALWAYS be to make it easier for people to vote, not harder.  The fact the lawsuit does not request open caucuses outside of the Strip shows the true intentions of the lawsuit.


I am beginning (4.00 / 1)
to think progressivesouls is a paid Obama operative. The pro-Clinton comments aren't very convincing, just inflammatory.

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Re: progressivesouls (0.00 / 0)
Ahahaha

Former Edwards Supporter, Obama Supporter since January 30, 2008

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And it's so hard to get good help these days! (0.00 / 0)


Full Court Press!  http://www.openleft.com/showDi...

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Every week that passes sees one of the other of.... (0.00 / 1)
.............the only two candidates deemed worthy of mention here at OpenLeft become more and more like the scum they'll 'oppose' in the fall. Republicans.

Voter suppression much?

Like yer Frank Lutz do ya?

As Obama and Clinton tear big bloody chunks off each other you can be sure that ReThug Oppo is taking notes.

Say...What's John Edwards been up to?

Suing to stop folks from caucusing?

Uh....No...

Trying to kick up enough dust that folks will forget his AUMF vote?

Er....not so much....

Nope, none O' that real good stuff. He was pushing back at the Beard's assertion on Certainly No News that he  was 'Angry', bwwwwwwwwwwwwaaaaaahhhhaaaaaaa....tha fukin' Beard does he  and his masters think there is anyone in America who ain't angry, using his usual knife in the gut framing, at which he is so good at and that The Hill and Obama are always stealing, with this quote:

Edwards:

"…What I have said, and I stand by it and I believe it, is there are very well financed, entrenched interests in Washington that stand between America and the progress that needs to be made. And until we have a president who's willing to take those interests on, nothing will change…"

Yep while Senators Dumb and Dumber provide fodder for the ReichWing; Edwards nails the frame down.

Look for Obama to use this exact phrase oh,........

Next week.

But his corrupt, National Amusement, Inc. money lovin' self  can't really make it work.

Good thing he ain't 'Angry'...'cause you know angry black men are not popular in this country....

Of course, it's not really relevant if your black, female or whatever. If you don't like the way things have been so carefully arranged for you, including the current state of agreement between MSM and all 'responsible' bloggers, that only two candidates are still 'viable' on the Dem side by the ruling class why then.....It''s you that are:

'Angry'

You that are 'out of step...'. You that 'Need to get over it...'

You that don't understand that what you want, what you need matters not a bit to those drunk on power.

Of which there are quite a few around....some in places you might not expect.

Peace, Health and Prosperity for Everyone.


AFT (0.00 / 0)
Wasn't that the union headed by loony tunes Al Shankar with his syndicated ad in the NYT?  I remember seeing Al's picture in the Times every week, attached to weird right-wing cold war blather.  Or was that some other teachers' union?

Both of my parents were teachers, by the way.


Good to write about this (0.00 / 0)
Clearly, the union endorsing Obama, and THEN the lawsuit being filed, well, it's clear what this is about. 


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