Nevada Happenings: Debate, Polls, Lawsuit

by: Chris Bowers

Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 19:59


Kucinich will be in the debate tomorrow night:

A Nevada judge says Democratic presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich must be included in Tuesday's candidates' debate in Nevada.

Senior Clark County District Court Judge Charles Thompson says if Kucinich is excluded, he'll issue an injunction stopping the televised debate.

I think this is the right decision, even if I'll be watching the Michigan returns more than the debate. If nothing else, Kucinich does offer a different perspective. Further, a four-person debate won't be that crowded.

Also, I was looking at the polling history of Nevada, and I think the results of the Research 2000 poll (O 32%, C 30%, E 27%) that came out today is even more significant than first thought. While Mason-Dixon showed a close campaign in Nevada well before Iowa (Clinton only led 34%--26% in their most recent poll), the previous Research 2000 poll from mid-November has shown Clinton ahead 45%-20%-12%. While there is good reason to doubt all primary polling after New Hampshire, and good reason to doubt a new frontier like the Nevada caucus in particular, it now seems likely to me that Obama is ahead in Nevada.

Also, I wonder if this is a pattern we will see in more upcoming states: Clinton does worse in causes than she does in primaries. In 2004, John Kerry took 50.2% of the caucus vote, but 61.0% of the primary vote. Dean, by contrast, took 13.9% of the caucus vote, and only 5.5% of the primary vote. In fact, four of Dean's five second place finishes all took place in caucus states: Michigan, Washington, Maine and Nevada. Now, as analysis from poblano suggests, Clinton seems to have many of Kerry's voters, while Obama has many of Dean's voters. I think campaigns that are heavy on activist volunteers, like Dean and Obama, have something of a built-in advantage in caucus states. Activists are more likely to attend low turnout caucuses, while primaries have a larger rank and file population. If this is the case, it should bode well for Obama in the following February 5th states, all of which are caucuses: Alaska, Colorado, Idaho, Kansas, Minnesota, New Mexico and North Dakota. Edwards should also do better in caucuses than he does in primaries. Still, both of them will need to start winning primaries in order to take the nomination.

Update: Bill Clinton defends the Nevada lawsuit filed a few days ago to shut down the at-large precincts on the strip:

Bill Clinton today defended a state NEA-backed lawsuit over caucus sites, saying that all Democrats should play by the same rules.

Clinton was asked about the suit this morning by a student at Green Valley High School, located in the Las Vegas suburb of Henderson. He said that, in essence, state Democrats made "a special rule only for" members of the Culinary union, the most powerful in the state, to be able to caucus at their work sites rather than at their home precincts. "I think the rules oughta be the same for everybody," he said. "I question why you would ever have a temporary caucus site and say only the people that work there -- i.e. the people that we know are going to vote in a certain way or we think they will -- should be able to caucus here. I think that we oughta make it more possible for everybody to vote."

(Of course, we'll ask again: If the Culinary Workers had endorsed Hillary, would there even be a lawsuit? And if so, would Bill be defending it?)

Ugh. Once again, I'll just wonder why there is such a big hub-ub about these at-large precincts now, several months after they were first instituted. I'll also wonder what defending this lawsuit will do to Democratic attempts to prevent Republicans from suppressing voters in the general election. Doesn't anyone remember that this is why Bush is in the White House at all? Gross.

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Nobody knows (0.00 / 0)
Even if the Research 2000 poll was perfectly accurate (ha!) all that would mean is that if the caucus had been held on Saturday, Obama would have had 2% more initial preferences than Clinton statewide, before realignment and before CaucusMath.  Can't we just say that nobody knows what will happen!?

Hooray!


New Mexico Caucus (0.00 / 0)
Just a note:

The New Mexico Caucus is basically a primary.

"Democratic voters will be able to cast absentee ballots from January 12th to January 28th, 2008. On February 5th, 2008, Caucus sites will be open from noon until 7:00 PM (voters in line at 7:00 PM will be allowed to vote after the
polls close). Voters will simply cast a ballot at the Caucus site and then leave, much like voting in a regular election."

"Never separate the life you live from the words you speak" -Paul Wellstone


Questions (0.00 / 0)
When does the strip caucus lawsuit actually hit court? And once it hits court how long should we expect before there is a decision?

Bill Clinton's asshole self is really shining through. (0.00 / 0)


For some reason, it seems that Obama has some pathological and deep-seated psychological need for Republicans to like him.  Seriously.  It's weird.

So much for the Clinton camp staying out of it (0.00 / 0)
I've read the Nevada Democratic Caucus rules and it says shift workers with an employer ID from anywhere within a 2.5 mile radius are able to vote in the At-large precincts. I'm sure if a clarification was requested on what exactly constitutes 'shift work' and 'employer ID' then just about anybody would be allowed to vote in these caucuses.

Here's the Nevada caucus rules (PDF).

http://www.nvdemscau...

See pg. 52, Appendix C: At-Large Precinct Caucus Rules and Procedures

A few relevant excerpts...
2. Shift workers will be required to bring their Employer Identification card or badge to their assigned At-Large Precinct Caucus to be eligible to participate in the At-Large Precinct Caucus. The Employer ID card will serve as proof of shift worker status.
3. Shift workers will also sign a declaration stating that they could not attend their home Precinct Caucus because they worked during or within one hour of the designated caucus start time.

At-Large Precinct Caucuses will be created working with employers who have more then 4,000 employees in a contiguous area working on Saturday morning January 19th 2008.
• The NSDP is planning 8-10 At-Large Precinct Caucus locations, all in Clark County.
• Shift workers working within a 2.5 mile radius of each site will be allowed to attend their assigned At-Large Precinct Caucus.

The 4,000 employee threshold sounds like something that is both favorable to the Culinary Workers AND a pragmatic solution. My guess is there are no other employers in NV that have the 4000 employee threshold outside of Clark County.

Has anybody asked if ANY worker, CWU or otherwise, with an employee ID within 2.5 miles of a At-Large worker who "sign a declaration stating that they could not attend their home Precinct Caucus" can attend a caucus?

All of the spin that these sites are solely for seem to hang on a very narrow definition of "shift worker". It makes a lot of logistical sense to hold these At-large caucuses at the giant hotels. If 4000 workers are eligible to vote and you locate an At-large precinct even 1/4 mile away that adds up to a potential 1,000 miles of travel. Why WOULDN'T you locate any at-large precincts where the concentration of Saturday workers is greatest in Nevada?

John McCain


Bill STFU (4.00 / 1)
This Moronic megalomaniac, has been stank in this whole process.
I think when everything  is written about this primary, no matter who wins, he will be remembered as a disgusting loser. A past president injecting such vile and voter supression rhetoric in a Democratic primary. Just as bad if not worse as covering up Poppy Bush's Iran-Contra crimes!

Teachers object (4.00 / 2)
A group of teachers have gotten together to support the voting rights of their students' parents and sent the following letter to their Union:

Ms. Lynn Warne
President
Nevada State Education Association
3511 East Harmon Avenue
Las Vegas, NV 89121

Dear President Warne:

As teachers in Nevada, and members of the Nevada State Education Association, we are deeply dismayed that our union is trying to stop our students' parents from caucusing on Saturday. We urge them in the strongest terms to drop this lawsuit immediately.

Many of our students are Hispanic Americans and come from low-income families. Their parents are construction workers, McDonald's employees, and other shift workers on the strip, who work around the clock, and won't have time to travel to their caucus locations on Saturday. That's why the state Democratic committee set up nine at-large precinct locations on the strip - to provide nearby caucus locations for Nevadans who otherwise wouldn't be able to caucus.

These at-large locations were approved back in March of 2007, and no one raised any concerns about them for nearly a year. But now, our union is filing a lawsuit making the baseless charge that these at-large caucus locations are discriminatory, when the fact is they were set up to make sure as many Nevadans could caucus as possible.

This lawsuit is all about politics. It's widely known that many of our union's top officials support Senator Clinton and now that the Culinary Workers Union has endorsed Senator Obama, they're using our union to stop Nevadans from caucusing for Senator Obama.

We never thought our union and Senator Clinton would put politics ahead of what's right for our students, but that's exactly what they're doing. As teachers, and proud Democrats, we hope they will drop this undemocratic lawsuit and help all Nevadans caucus, no matter which candidate they support.

Sincerely,

Tamara Anderson, Elementary School Counselor
Monica Baldwin, 3rd grade teacher
Jodi Brant, Government teacher for 12th graders
Mari Calderon, Kindergarten teacher
Jessica Cohn, 3rd grade teacher
Ketica Guter, 3rd grade teacher
Sarah Irby, Kindergarten teacher
Padmini Jambulapati, 7th and 8th grade teacher
Tracy Kamhi, 10th, 11th, and 12th grade teacher
Jennifer Kehs, 4th grade teacher
Clara Munk, Primary Reading teacher
Matthew O'Keefe, 4th grade teacher
Frances Rabbitt, Special Education teacher
Chantae Readye, 5th grade teacher
Jessica Tolliver, 1st grade teach



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Dumb move by Clinton (0.00 / 0)
Supporting disenfranchisement, most of all in a swing state, is a supremely dumb move for a Democrat to make, even one as conservative as Bill Clinton.

But more than that, what does his wife's campaign gain by him speaking out? He can't influence the case and whilst it was presumed the NEA was acting out of secret support for Clinton, there was no hard evidence.

If he had to make a statement, couldn't it have been opposing the lawsuit? That way he'd avoid being tarred with pursuing disenfranchisement and if the lawsuit succeeded be able to push a restructuring which might be of use in future elections.

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