Open Left & Minorities

by: eteraz

Mon Jul 09, 2007 at 15:08


I am a colored American from a minority and marginalized religious community. I am mostly non-partisan, though I have libertarian and left leanings. I have been involved in Kos (with variable resulsts), frontpage at Agonist (Sean Kelley rules) and write at Huffington Post.

What are your positions on minorities? Are identity politics going to be part of the game with due recognition that minority groups need that at least within the initial stages of their development? Will identity politics be encouraged to subsume themselves into to the greater left i.e. by way of equal concern with economic issues - thus creating a brotherhood of economically marginalized, which would include whites?

eteraz :: Open Left & Minorities
What about trickier issues, such as American Muslims, who are a community identified by their religious identity, yet are drawn into the political sphere as a matter of necessity which means that their so called "religious" identity has been "secularized." Is the encouragement going to be that American Muslims alter the way they identify themselves in order to be subsumed into the left? While I have historically agreed with that idea, I am not sure if it is practically viable.

In terms of African-American politics (I grew up in the South and lived near Girard Avenue in Philly), is the emphasis on race-blind ventures, or race-conscious ones? If the latter, are blacks the only community where race-consciousness matters, or will you include other communities as well? Is the standard that a community self-identify as wanting race-consciousness?

Some larger questions are: is this a forum for policy initiatives, or for tackling case by case examples of grievances? Yes, I know, the most likely response is going to be, why can't we do both? Why not have activists meet policy professionals so they can learn from one another. I am sorry. I have been around long enough to know that is spin.

I am not really saying what my particular views are, because I am trying to gauge this community's affinity/interest in these matters. My experience -- and those of most minorities -- in the left online world have been: start your own stuff and do it by yourself, and hope that Mike at Crooks and Liars picks you up from time to time. Ultimately, white people congregate to sites like this one because they can assume the sites *belong* to them. I won't invoke Phillip Roth's the "Ur of We" but will say that I certainly don't feel as if I belong. No surprise that if you look around the few African-American blogs you get reference to Daily KKKos very quickly.

Sorry if you think I am jaded. I've been around the leftosphere for a year now, and haven't really seen much growth or introspection on these matters except at My Left Wing and Booman Tribune here and there.

The ultimate question is: race-conscious or race-blind; religion-conscious or religion-blind (referring only to those communities whose religion is already politicized); focus on under-represented people via minority-rights or economic-rights.

Finally, I see Avaaz on the blogroll with whom I was involved before they got launched: am I to presume there will be stuff about global poverty here (and not just the regular tripe about Darfur, which starts with genocide sucks, ends with, let's not give ammunition to Bush for invasion)?

Thanks for your time. I will now wait for the usual 1 or 2 comments, and then bounce.

My Huff-Po is Here. I am new there.

By the way, all this critique applies to "real life" ventures as well. I've been to Drinking Liberally meetings, finding them occurring in the a) most affluent and b) least racially diverse bars in the planet [except in those cities where you can't escape diversity, like NYC].


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Minorities and the Open Left (4.00 / 1)
How do you find ways to engage minorities in the blogosphere and in real life ventures like Drinking Liberally?
Shai Sachs on MYDD has been encouraging MyDD readers to follow, comment on, link to, blogroll, and otherwise support blogs written by women and/or minority bloggers by highlighting these blogs every Friday.
Do you think that this problem can be solved by changing promotional strategies or does it require a change in the actual content and substance of the ventures themselves?

Minorities are already in the blogosphere (4.00 / 1)
A minority oriented forum is what lead me to Dkos and MyDD in the first place.  It was activist and progressive when these sites where in their infancy. 

In many ways the minority site was more effective in its activism because it was focused on ISSUES rather than cheerleading the democratic party and its banal candidates.


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uh yeah (4.00 / 1)
minorities are obviously in the blogosphere, but not in the a-list blogs. or even b-list? i agree, a lot of the 'progressive' concerns are essentially issues that minorities have been dealing with for a long time (immigration didn't just become big this year, for example).

a lot of progressives sit around and bemoan why they aren't able to take control of the democratic party, or why their elected officials suddenly turn "center-left" when they hit dc. part of the reason might be because neither the candidates nor their promoters are feeding them issues about which they are knowledgeable.

the only one running a social justice campaign these days is edwards, and even his is "poverty." i think his position is brave given our political climate, but if progressives won't change the political climate, then who will.

i would like to be honest: minorities themselves contribute to their own marginalization by "mainstream" (read: white) blogs. we ourselves focus on "our" issues and rarely reach out. there is definitely a self-ghettoizing problem, both among activist minorities and bloggers.

perhaps minorities can make it go away by launching their own 'mainstream-seeming' initiatives. though my sense is that after a while they'll be viewed as "fronts" and the end-result will be the same.

this discussion is especially valuable to me as I am re-doing what I had previously termed "States of Islam" (www.eteraz.org), but which I am thinking of renaming something else.

At one point when our traffic was high enough I even emailed Chris Bowers to join the liberal blog ads network, if you see the archives, we even put the banner: archive.eteraz.org

I was passed onto some random girl named Anna who has not responded to five different emails over five months.

I write at Plural Politics


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Not always self-ghetto'd (2.00 / 2)
I don't want to start a bash fest of one particular blog but in the Orange bubble minorities are often made to feel exactly like minorities.  You are told to shut your fucking pie hole because its an election year or are called a single issue purist.  I think many have tried to join in as you say you did and have found themselves relegated to BlackKos, GayKos, AnyonewhoisntaneasternseaboardwhitelawyerpartywonkKos

I guess you just need to show up at Drinking Liberally.


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My feelings (4.00 / 4)
If the Black, Hispanic and progressive communities were to forge an alliance, a ruling coalition would emerge, one which could govern for the next fifty years and finally right all of the wrongs that have, from day one, sullied the American Experiment.

The question is, how do we achieve this, especially when the vast majority of progressive voices (RIP Steve) are lily-white? I wish I had an answer.

I, for one, would like to see identity politics front and center -- with a caveat. While we should celebrate our unique cultural identities, we should remain focused on those issues we have in common.

We could start with hitting back hard on immigration. Let's start calling right-wing these idiots what they really are -- racists.


yep (4.00 / 1)
I like the way a pal of mine puts it: If we stop and think about it for a second, we all know what the winning coalition looks like. It's people of color, working people, young people, and gay folks along with the not insignificant number of white upper class/professional/creative types that get it. Our organizations (both on line and off) just don't quite reflect that reality yet.

Even so, I'd be pretty surprised if that ruling coalition could right ALL the wrongs that have sullied the American Experiment. (As my colleague puts it, "freedom is a constant struggle.") But we could damn sure put some points on the board for our side, finally.


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Yes (4.00 / 1)
We can never restore all the lives of those who were murdered in the name of profit, or Manifest Destiny, or whatever, but we could certainly reshape this country into a truly egalitarian society.

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Sinclair Broadcasting is a good example (0.00 / 0)
Back in 04 all the various blogs focused on them and their stock went tumbling.  I don't think you can credit that to simply the so-called a-list blogs (some of which where b-list at best at the time).

 


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Interesting (0.00 / 0)
My experience -- and those of most minorities -- in the left online world have been: start your own stuff and do it by yourself, and hope that Mike at Crooks and Liars picks you up from time to time. Ultimately, white people congregate to sites like this one because they can assume the sites *belong* to them. I won't invoke Phillip Roth's the "Ur of We" but will say that I certainly don't feel as if I belong. No surprise that if you look around the few African-American blogs you get reference to Daily KKKos very quickly.

You do realize that Markos is a minority as well as an immigrant, right?  The idea that Dailykos is a "white" site is interesting since it was started by a latino.  Do you think that politics is a mostly white venture, since whites have pretty much 99.9% of the political power?
The ultimate question is: race-conscious or race-blind; religion-conscious or religion-blind (referring only to those communities whose religion is already politicized); focus on under-represented people via minority-rights or economic-rights.

Can't we be both at the same time?  I am aware of the problems our society faces as a result of racism and bigotry, making me race aware.  However, I try to treat people of all races equally and with respect, and have a pretty diverse group of friends, making me closer to race-blind in that regard.  I think white liberals, especially those that are not aware of how racism exists today, need to stop conflating their personal views with that of society on things like race.

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Blue House Diaries - Because there is more to life than politics.


Markos (0.00 / 0)
is not an immigrant. You are right that he is Latino.

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Oops, you're right (0.00 / 0)
He was born in Chicago even though he grew up in El Salvador for part of his childhood.

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Blue House Diaries - Because there is more to life than politics.


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He's actually a naturalized citizen (0.00 / 0)
Markos came to the US as a young boy, so, yes, he is an immigrant. As I am. Hence, my user name.

My first post! I wonder what my userID is?

Obama'08


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markos (0.00 / 0)
Is a latino. Yes. however, dailykos is not a race-conscious site, nor did he ever try to make it be. If he had, I doubt he would have had any success.

Are you suggesting that the Supreme Court was correct in ruling for race-blindness?

Sure seems like it.

The only left site really outreaching to minorities is the Huffington Post (I left explicit mention of that out in my post by accident).

I write at Plural Politics


An idea (4.00 / 4)
I think there's an opening for a multi-cultural, scoop-based site, one which would look for writers of all ethnic backgrounds. You could be the one to start such a site, eteraz. You could start by hitting up some progressive foundations for seed money, and take it from there. I know I, for one, as a German-Irish-Swiss-Dutch-American guy, would bookmark and read such a site every day.

Food for thought.


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eeeeenteresting idea n/t (0.00 / 0)


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new site (4.00 / 1)
we're designing a new site which is a bit different than scoop (already tried scoop and it didn't work).

we came up with an entirely new -- more decentralized -- way of creating a community, and are developing it now, its been requiring a lot of testing.

those who are interested in multi-ethnic political blogging feel free to contact me at. i'd be willing to discuss ideas on how to improve our model.

i admit, that i didn't write this post thinking along these lines, but am not averse to going in an alliance-oriented direction

eteraz at gmail dot com

there will be some issues vis a vis mainstream progressives (what an ironic term that is):

1. the presence of religiosity

2. resentment

3. lack of connections with anyone but minor bloggers/writers

4. minority libertarianism. i just find that partisanship doesn't come easily to most.

I write at Plural Politics


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Coalition-building is the way (4.00 / 3)
It always has been. Why do you think the right wing exploits race every chance it gets? Because it drives a wedge between communities who together would be unstoppable.

We need to join ranks, especially on issues of economic fairness. If we focus on issues that have a broad appeal, we'll have a winner.


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Could you explain what you mean by that? (0.00 / 0)
How do you see Huffington Post as outreaching to minorities?

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its not (4.00 / 1)
its not movement based. its more of a free for all. in that more minority voices have a chance b/c we get to compete on the same level as everyone else. sure our posts dont generate as much discussion but we are free to discuss our "pet" issues, and also, most importantly, make the jump into mainstream politics. in fact, its been since i started contributing there that i have felt more of a desire to have opinions on mainstream politics. the 'movement' websites don't offer that kind of freedom. recognition of diversity and minorities, at the end of the day, destroy the homogeneity that "partisanship" requires. the two are at odds. this was going to be my next diary.

I write at Plural Politics

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That just sounds like (0.00 / 0)
a diversity of opinions (instead of being more narrowly partisan).  Where does the minority bit come into it?  Are you saying authors who happen to be from racial minorities often have different opinions by virtue of their race, or are you saying that a white person with an out of mainstream opinion is going to get more attention?

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i'm only saying (4.00 / 1)
Minority discourse is two step:

1 - It always seeks to begin in the minority issue. A minority writer feels an obligation, first and foremost, to reveal the ignored discourse about his or her group.

2 - After he or she has had some success in this exploration, his or her work tends to become more universal, and incorporates more elements of the mainstream.

The biggest issue with minority writers is that they want recognition on the basis of their minority-ness first. Some minority writers can repress this instinct better than others. I, personally, oscillate. Sometimes I can repress it, sometimes I cannot. It depends on how "secure" a place one is coming from. I think Steve Gilliard repressed it very well. This is probably because he came from a very "secure" place.

As long as a minority writer is at step 1 his or her opinion will be more critical of the white-majority-who-happen-to-be-on-his-side. After that, their concerns would overlap.

This is why developing minority voices is so hard, and frankly why no one does it.

I write at Plural Politics


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This is what you meant by "resentment"? (4.00 / 1)
in this comment?

The biggest issue with minority writers is that they want recognition on the basis of their minority-ness first.

To me that doesn't make much sense.  It's as if you are assuming that minority writers represent their entire race, or that the opinions put forward are representative.  But you also call it an "instinct" and say you oscillate personally.  To what extent is this attitude rational and to what extent is it emotional?  is it legitimate?

I mean should I say "hey get over it, everyone gets ignored if they are not mainstream -- regardless of race".

That is not of course to say that different backgrounds don't tend to bring different perspectives.  I am asking if you are not making minority status a (bad) proxy for out of the mainstream views.

As long as a minority writer is at step 1 his or her opinion will be more critical of the white-majority-who-happen-to-be-on-his-side. After that, their concerns would overlap.

I think anyone who holds a minority view would feel obliged to bring that view more than say, an opinion of theirs which is mainstream.  And often such a discussion will become heated and critical.  However it seems to me that perhaps you are talking about a feeling of belonging or rejection.  Or as you said before of resentment.  If you tend to spend most of your time pushing controversy you will feel as an outsider.  That becomes self-reinforcing.

Again this can all happen regardless of your race, but I can see how race could really add to the effect.  Hmm.


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great post on a big disappointment (4.00 / 2)
Maybe this can serve as an object lesson in how not to do new project formation. Seeing visible exclusion like this just gives me that "we're really doomed, aren't we" feeling. Oh I hate that feeling.

I understand that diversity is "coming soon," but why exclude women & people of color on the ground floor? How hard is this? How hard is it to drop someone an email, get their opinion and ask if they'd be willing to contribute a little time?

I think you're doing some interesting things here, but it's disappointing that we have to keep having this particular meta conversation - which, by god, it seems like we should really be a little farther along with by now - before we get to the other stuff.

eteraz, thanks for going there.


yes, a disappointment (0.00 / 0)
Have to agree, Dan -- if humanly possible, even marginally entitled white folks who want to win progressive victories have to make sure folks of color are in on the ground floor. Trying to "fix it" later doesn't work.

This isn't about tokenism or identity politics. Underlying everything else which is straining our polity (climate change, globalizing kleptocracy, theocrats, etc.) is the fact that the US is becoming a nation in which whites will be merely another less-than-majority fraction. In the soon arriving future, the majority in working class jobs and in public education will not be white. Any politics not rooted in awareness of that is just play acting.

So I'm disappointed here -- but also hopeful because I think Bowers and Stoller have brought as much openness to this reality as I've seen anywhere in the mostly white blogosphere.

Can it happen here?


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heartened (4.00 / 3)
I'm heartened by the mere existence of this discussion. I wrote the post because in the first few comments on the site I saw a lot of people disenchanted with certain things about the blogosphere and thought certain things may echo with them.

Hopefully this discussion can generate some momentum.

Some ideas for a potential tag-line to rename eteraz.org:

colors of justice

states of progress

Reform, Progress, Ethnicity

btw eteraz means protest in farsi, thus the moniker

I write at Plural Politics


Religion as minority in the blogosphere (4.00 / 1)
I would also like to note that there are not many religious voices in the progressive blogosphere. I myself am I liberal person who believes that my religion inform my political ones. Could this anti religious streak also be partly responsible for the lack of minority voices in the progressive blogosphere?

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Anti religious streak? (4.00 / 1)
Anti evangelical-fundamentalist streak perhaps, but I have yet to encounter an anti religious streak.  Heck, look at the love "Pastor Dan" and his frequent prayer diaries receive on Dkos.

Perhaps by "anti religious" you mean a tread for empirical proof.  Yes, if someone shows up in the progressive blogsphere  claiming that global warming is a myth, abstinence-only education is effective, evolution is a lie of the devil, or all of the world's animals once gathered on a big boat, then that person is likely going to be questioned as to the basis for his claims - which is a good thing, yes?


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i'm not a minority (2.67 / 3)
but i grew up poor..  i too recognize the disconnect the white people on DailyKOS have about minorities, MLJ day, etc.

but i have also went to african american blogs where they bash mexican immigrants. racism is a big problem in all communities.  so is classism.  the insults you get when you don't have money to buy clothes or have water to wash yourself.  i know this pain personally and have also committed these acts.  it is a vicious circle in some cases.

i hope open left attracts more diverse voices and doesn't end up being a circle jerk of the same people.. 


I am not familar with the term "colored American' (0.00 / 0)
Doesn't that describe all Americans, nay, all humans? I, myself, am colored a blend of beige/tan/pink/.

Are we not all colored; or are some of us not permitted a conceptual spot on the color spectrum?

BTW... This question is asked in good faith; I do not mean to be sardonic or disrespectful.


Get in touch with me. (0.00 / 0)
Ali,

Do write me at indicus AT dheerajchand.com.  We should talk about ideas for moving forward.

-dx

http://www.dheerajchand.com


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