More Madness ... Reid files for 30-day extension, vote Monday

by: Tim Tagaris

Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 14:46

Hearing now that Reid filed a 30-day extension and then filed cloture on that extension. If cloture is not invoked on Monday at 4:30, we'll then vote on invoking cloture on extension.

And so it goes ...

Tim Tagaris :: More Madness ... Reid files for 30-day extension, vote Monday

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Use the deadline against the Republicans (4.00 / 1)
Why can't we just use the deadline against the Republicans, instead of begging them for an extension? 

We should just tell them that the judiciary bill fixes the problem and that it will be the only bill brought to the floor.  If the Republicans don't like it, they can offer amendments.  If they filibuster it, they are responsible for risking American lives and killing all of the troops and whatever else Bush is saying will happen.

Oh, that's right.  We can't do that because Reid doesn't want to.  Harry Reid is really very tepid, very weak.  A cup of tea that's been sitting on the counter for a few weeks. ... You wouldn't want to drink that tea. You wouldn't want that tea to lead your Senate caucus.

well (4.00 / 2)
if we beat the first vote, we'll have a vote to simply extend fisa as it is right now.


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Any chance PAA will simply expire? (0.00 / 0)
Any chance the GOP blocks the amendments and extensions, yet the Dems filibuster the Intel. bill?  What happens then? 

Assuming the Democrats actually manage to filibuster,  I have difficulty envisioning the GOP actually caving in on something.

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I just read Glenn ... (4.00 / 1)
I wasn't able to watch C-Span 2 .. so I don't know what Miss McConnell(h/t Howie) did to piss Reid off.  Maybe it caused Reid to find religion after all

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Hmm (4.00 / 1)
And that'll basically happen right before the State of the Union speech?

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still lost (0.00 / 0)
sorry, but whats the first vote? then what happens???

and on thse cloture votes - are the no's important, or only the yays. e.g. do clinton and obama actually have to show up or can they skirt by on "being absent is the same as a no"?

Michael Bloomberg, prince of corporate welfare

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It takes 60 yes votes to kill a filibuster (0.00 / 0)
Voting "no" or not voting has no effect. 

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It means... (4.00 / 3)

....get the Hell over to FDL and dKos and find out which Senator to call and tell 'em:

No immunity! None! Zip! Nada!

Or spend the rest of your life regretting you sat on your hands while the nation gave up the idea of the rule of law for everyone!

Do it!

Peace, Health and Prosperity for Everyone.

It appears (4.00 / 1)
That Reid may talk tough from time to time, but he simply has no idea how to deal with someone standing up to him-- be they Republican or Democrat.

Incidentally, would it be reasonable of me at this point to suspect that Reid's strategy is to simply make the parliamentary tactics here SO confusing that after the fact no one will be able to tell what Reid's stance was, or whether he "lost"?

That's an interesting point (4.00 / 1)
Mcc's speculation that Reid might be trying to muddy the waters concerning his own stance might be right on.  I must say, his sudden metamorphisis to take on Liebermanesque qualities regarding the telecom immunity issue is somewhat maddening.

Chris Dodd should be making a play for that leadership position right now.  I wonder if Jim Webb and Jon Tester would back his play?  I'd sure love to know their opinion.  Isn't it funny the Clinton administration captured every individual (perhaps with the lone exception of Bin Laden who, I think at the time - and please correct me here if I'm wrong - wasn't directly linked) that had something to do with the '93 WTC bombing?  And all this without benefit of FISA?  All this without the benefit of the Patriot Act?  Heavens!


Truman's Conscience

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He wants to pass it but he wants to be able to say he opposed it (4.00 / 1)
Reid started out with several options at the end of last year:

(a) Do nothing, and let the Police America Act expire;
(b) Bring the bill passed by the House to the Senate floor, which doesn't include retroactive immunity;
(c) Bring the bill passed by the Judiciary Committee to the Senate floor, which doesn't include retroactive immunity;
(d) Bring the bill passed by the Intelligence Committee to the Senate floor, the only one that does include retroactive immunity;

For anyone who opposes retroactive immunity, the obvious choices are options (a), (b), or (c).  Reid claims that he opposes retroactive immunity, but he chose option (d). 

Now we are supposed to believe that the Republicans have surprised and angered him by filibustering the amendments, so he is going to support a filibuster of the intel bill.  These are the same Republicans that filibustered three times more frequently than any other Congress in history.  Bush has said retroactive immunity is his #1 priority for this year.  Yet we are supposed to believe that Reid didn't see this coming.

If he is trying to confuse us, he isn't doing a very good job of it.  His intentions are pretty damn obvious.

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he simply has no idea (4.00 / 1)
Oh, I think he knows perfectly well how to undermine the will and best interests of the public.  He and Pelosi really need to be removed because this party so sucks with its current leadership.

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What is the process or hinderance (0.00 / 0)
to remove Reid from his role in the Senate?


The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky

I want to know too (4.00 / 1)
I'm not sure what it is, but I think this should be one of the prime focuses of the blogosphere going forward. Has the democratic party looked at the congresssional approval ratings recently? Ah, the pesky common folk who expect their leaders to act on real moral values!

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Extending the current bill is NOT (4.00 / 1)
a good solution. As it stands, that Bill allows spying on US citizens without getting proper warrants and oversight.

We were appalled it was done last August. Let's not look at it as a good alternative now. Stop spying on US...stop amnesty for the telcoms

Both must be equally pursued.

No, it isn't a good solution (4.00 / 2)
but it's a whole lot better than letting retroactive immunity and a permanent bill go forward. I remember during the "debate" yesterday hearing Reid suggest that even if they wanted to extend this to the end of Bush's presidency that would be ok, but they need to allow ammendments and real debate over an issue as important as this one.

I think the one very clear thing about Reid is that he is in WAY over his head, and at this point I don't see the democrats accomplishing anything notable under his leadership.

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FYI: Bush Dog Senators who voted (4.00 / 1)
to table the substitute FISA bill:

Bayh (D-IN)
Carper (D-DE)
Inouye (D-HI)
Johnson (D-SD)
Landrieu (D-LA)
McCaskill (D-MO)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Pryor (D-AR)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Salazar (D-CO)


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