An Interesting Train Ride

by: Mike Lux

Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 11:23

So I went up to NYC a couple of days ago for some meetings, and I was coming back yesterday on Amtrak. Sitting behind me I hear some guy coming up and greeting another guy, sitting behind me. I don't know who it is because they were sitting behind me, but I can hear the conversation. The one guy is being kind of a suck-up, and they start talking about being in conservative politics and that they need to deal with McCain. Then the other guy says great to see ya and walks away. So then the guy sitting behind me starts making phone calls on his cell. He's got a fairly loud and authoritative voice, so I can't help but overhear, and he's making call after call after call to tell various people that we've gotta find a way to beat McCain, just would be just awful, and going on and on about how much McCain sucks and that even having Hillary or Obama would be better than having McCain because he would just be horrible for the conservative movement because he just doesn't get the movement and he's always using liberal language to talk about things and how that's a terrible thing. And in one conversation with one person he was talking to, he was trying to talk him into coming out with a terrible story about McCain from five or six years ago, and he's like yeah, what he did to you was just incredible, and you should go public with that story, etc.

After a while I got up to go get something from the café cart, and it turns out the guy sitting behind me was Rick Santorum, which makes it all the more fun and all the more interesting. So pretty much the whole trip this guy is working his cell phone, talking to people about how anyone is better than McCain and Giuliani would be better than McCain because then at least he wouldn't betray the conservative movement… yeah, Giuliani is bad on some issues like abortion, but at least he would stand with the conservative movement. He was saying that there are people like Susan Collins who vote moderate sometimes, but at least she is a team player who always plays with the team and never plays against the conservative side even if she has to give the liberals a vote because she's from Maine. But McCain will sometimes go against the team even when he doesn't have to. Anyway, he's just calling person after person after person on his list, trying to rally them against McCain to give money against him, be uncommitted to the national convention- apparently he was talking to some committed delegates- and he was thinking the best thing for the conservative movement would be a brokered convention, because then at least the conservatives would still have enough pull to pick the nominee.

Call after call after call, speaking in a relatively loud voice, trashing his party's likely nominee, he says, I probably shouldn't talk about that on a train, I'll call you later on that topic. And it really made me wonder how bad the topic could be. At some point I started feeling a little guilty about hearing all this stuff so I turned around, introduced myself, and said "Hey, I'm in politics, I'm on the other side, I'm a Democrat," in part to see if he would keep doing the phone calls trashing McCain given that a Democratic activist was sitting in front of him. And he did keep doing them, call after call. Apparently, it didn't bother him at all that a Democrat was listening in as he kept trashing McCain.

Anyway, it was a pretty damn interesting return home. The conservative attitude about McCain, represented by Santorum, reminds me a lot of the attitude toward George H.W. Bush in 1992, where a lot of them just decided that it would be better for their movement in the long run for him to go down in flames. The Republican dynamics make their race pretty fascinating.

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Well (4.00 / 1)
It's not like progressives are immune to that line of thinking.  I wonder how many high-profile Clinton or Obama backers are doing the same thing in support of their candidate.  I'm not sure if the answer is too many or not enough.

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great story (0.00 / 0)
It's nothing that Rush Limbaugh and others aren't doing very publically on AM radio.  That's why he isn't concerned.

New Jersey politics at Blue Jersey.

Awesome (4.00 / 1)
How very cool that you got into this
Santorum must be a really dumb guy to play politics in public like this
Glad he ain't senator anymore

Interesting Take On Susan Collings (4.00 / 1)
Though coming from a dipshit like Santorum, it's sort of hard to figure just how much it says about whom.

Fascinating story, though.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

Particularly stupid of Santorum.... (4.00 / 2) a day when people can carry voice and video recorders in their pockets...It would be great to play the quote about Collins on radio ads up in Maine.....

But you have to ask, "What's s he doing on a train?" (4.00 / 2)
I wonder how many times Rick Santorum tried to kill (or at least dreamed about killing) Amtrak? 

Snake on a Train? (4.00 / 1)
And Amtrak is actually faster from NYC to DC if you take one of their faster trains, and if you also take getting to/from the airport and checking in and boarding into account. But I'm guessing that the main reason is that you can use cell phones on Amtrak.

Yet another reason to not allow them on planes. Cell phones, that is.

Republicans can still fly--in cargo.

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton

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train ride.... (4.00 / 2)
Santorum and his ilk are bunch of fricking idiots.  They have no clue that G.W. Bush has done more than anyone to betray their beloved conservative movement.  He's run up $9 trillion in debt, has driven our military into the ground, messed up our standing in the international community, imposed big government into our personal lives, and centralized power in the executive branch of government.

All of this is in DIRECT FUCKING CONTRADICTION of conservative values, yet they somehow think they are still upholding their sacred conservatism.


the one and only "conservative value" (0.00 / 0)
You are ignoring the one great "conservative value" to which the Republicans adhere more closely than Democrats embrace any idea: tax cuts for millionaires.  Everything else they ever claim to support is obviously meaningless blather, uttered solely to snag suckers.  GWB delivered the tax cut for millionaires, so all is good.  The whole country can go up in flames, but as long as their leadership delivers the all-important tax cut for millionaires, the Republican base will be satisfied.

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Did you call him "Man on Dog"? .. lol ;-) (4.00 / 3)

Mike. (4.00 / 1)
if you could have recorded this, you would have been my hero!
still that makes for a fantastic and all too telling story.


Wow, when these guys do stupid, they do STUPID (0.00 / 0)
And Santorum, no less (not that there's ever been any doubt about his being stupid). The closest remaining candidate they have to a true blue Reagan conservative, from the state that gave the conservative movement its first national political figure--who himself ended up being a bit of a maverick--who has sucked up to and enthusiastically embraced every last BushCo policy (Iraq, tax cuts, immigration, even torture when you read between the lines), is seen as being the most threatening candidate to their precious illusion of an ideology and movement. If this is any indication of what will happen if McCain wins the nomination (or at least picks up enough delegates to win it), then we're not going to need to run against them. We'll just have to stand back, run an ad every couple of week, and let them destory themselves and any chance they have of winning. This is going to be fun, almost, to see them do to each other what they've been doing to us, the country, and world, for the past 27 years--i.e. they will all "Cheney" themselves, in full public view, culminating in their version of our '68 convention.

As Larry Craig might put it if he were Ingmar Bergman: Through a Stall, Widely.

I'm referring to their convention site in Minneapolis, and their tendency to, er, have the most interesting and colorful kinds of scandals. We have frozen cash, they have, well, you know.

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton

Hurting the movement by using opposition rhetoric (0.00 / 0)
and making gratuitous trips off the reservation? Add "cultivating a cadre of independents with more loyalty to him than to the party" and "fawning, uncritical press" and you've got the absentee junior senator from Illinois.

Eeew, gross! (0.00 / 0)
So you could sum up this story by saying, "I was on a train the other day, and there was santorum on the seat behind me."  That's too funny.  (Do a Google search on "santorum" if you don't know what I'm talking about.)


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