South Carolina Results: Obama Wins Huge

by: Chris Bowers

Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 12:25


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Results can be found at the South Carolina Democratic Party website, and at CNN.

99% Reporting (projected pledged delegates in parenthesis)
Obama: 55%, 295,091, (25)
Clinton 27%, 141,128, (12)
Edwrds: 18%, 93,552, (8)

Update 13: Pledged delegate totals are now final. This brings the overall pledged delegate totals to Obama 63, Clinton 48, Edwards 26. That is only about 9% of the pledged delegates that will be given out on Super Tuesday.

Update 12: I'm looking at Google News headlines on the primary to try and see what sort of narrative comes out of South Carolina. There appear to be three types of headlines right now. First, the most common is the bland, "Obama wins South Carolina," that won't help him much. Second, there is the "Obama wins racially charged primary," that probably won't help him at all (and may hurt him). Third, there is the "Obama wins huge" headline, which he really needs and will help him. Since he needs a bounce, he also needs a lot of "Obama wins big" type headlines.

Update 11: Obama remains undefeated on delegate counts from states so far. He will also pass Huckabee and McCain combined in votes. Clinton will pass Huckabee, and may yet pass McCain. Edwards has already moved well past Romney and Thompson.

Update 10: In 2004, about 295,000 Democrats voted in the South Carolina primary. This year, about 445,000 Republicans in South Carolina primary. Both of those numbers are going down--a testament to the hufe Democratic excitement this year. Clinton might still beat McCain's vote totals!

Update 9: ARG further solidifies its position as the worst polling firm in the nation. After projecting Clinton to win Iowa by 9, McCain to edge out Romney in Michigan, and Huckabee to take South Carolina by 7%, this morning they only projected Obama to win South Carolina by 3%. All other polls called South Carolina for Obama by between 7% and 20%.

Update 8: While Obama and Edwards are in SC tonight with supporters, Clinton is travelling to Tennessee tonight, to give the perception that she is focusing on February 5th instead of South Carolina. Truth be told, both she and Bill should have abandoned South Carolina altogether. She would have lost big anyway, but at least then she would not have appeared to care.

Update 7: Can Obama get more South Carolina votes than McCain and Huckabee combined? Right now, he is on pace for about 275,000 votes, while the two Republican frontrunners in South Carolina combined for about 280,000 votes.

Update 6: Among white voters, Obama won those under 30, Edwards won those from 30-59, and Clinton won  those aged 60 and up. That is a repetition of the age gap we have seen elsewhere, such as in Iowa..

Update 5: It appears that Democratic turnout for the South Carolina primary will be higher than Republican turnout was last week. That is pretty impressive, and a good sign for Democrats.

Update 4: All news outlets are now projecting that Clinton will take second place over Edwards. However, the overwhelming size of the victory, combined with Edwards winning the white vote, will make this a problematic post-election narrative for Clinton. It would appear that the Clintons have lost African-Americans in this primary season, big-time.

Update 3: According to the exit poll, Obama won 81% of the African-American vote, and Edwards narrowly won the white vote over Clinton, 39%-36%. That translates into a huge margin, something like Obama 51%, Clinton 27%, Edwards 21%.. Goodness gracious!

Update 2: All news outlets have called South Carolina for Obama. That was fast. Could be the blowout he needs.

Update: In some good news for Clinton, the exit poll also indicates that 61% of the electorate is female, and 67% of it is 45 or older.

Early word from the exit poll is that "interviews with voters as they left their polling places indicated about half the electorate was black." The pre-primary polls that showed Obama with a large advantage included an average sample of 49% African-Americans. So, it looks like Obama will win.

Chris Bowers :: South Carolina Results: Obama Wins Huge

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Haha! (0.00 / 0)
Everyone has been saying Obama should win for three primaries/caucuses now.

We shall see. :)


Quick Prediction.. (0.00 / 0)
I think the late deciders are going to give Obama a crushing victory in the double digits. What happens if Obama breaks 50%? I think it'd be enough, coupled with a great victory speech, to change the narrative a lot.

He broke 50%--getting 54% (0.00 / 0)
Looks like 2-1 Obama over Hillary.  Obama won a majority of non-black voters under 30, if I heard CNN correctly.  But only 15% of white over 60s.

Obama won 2-1 over Hillary in a primary where 60% of the voters were women.  But that is because something like 78% of black women voted for Obama. 

John McCain--He's not who you think he is.


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Percentage of African Americans (0.00 / 0)
is high than in the SUSA poll (41% African Americans in that poll).  SUSA has Obama winning by 73-18, Zogby has Obama "over 60".

ARG has 47% African American vote and Obama winning 61-25.


CNN, MSNBC call SC for Obama n/t (0.00 / 0)


Obama wins by 30!!! (4.00 / 1)
This may be big enough to give Obama a bounce.


Edwards and African-Americans in SC (0.00 / 0)
Can someone please speak to Edwards' utter failure to connect with African-American voters in SC? Did he do so poorly with them in 2004? If not, what's changed since then?

These are probably stupid questions but I have to ask.


In 2004 (4.00 / 1)
Edwards had a plurality of black voters that year, pulling in 37%.

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I have raised this before (4.00 / 1)
In 2004 Edwards did win the African American vote in SC.  But in general he did worse among African Americans than among Whites.

2004 was one of the few instances where a northern white beat a sourthern white among african americans in the south during the primaries.


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Hard to compete with the other two (4.00 / 2)
I suspect its who he's running against, not so much an "utter failure to connect."  Obama's the first seriously-possible African-American presidential hopeful, while Clinton is the wife of "the first black President," and who I'm guessing attracted loyal support from some women of color who focused as much or more on their "woman" identity as their "of color" identity. My guess is that it would be hard for any white male to compete with these two other options among SC's African American voters.

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I have one theory (4.00 / 1)
Which I have no direct evidence for - except that even when Obama wasn't in the race to split things with Clinton, Edwards was polling low among Blacks nationwide even though his message is a good one, but I would say it's probably the Kerry/Edwards factor. At least partially.

One of Edward's signature sayings is something like "I'll fight for you". What that brings to my mind, at least, is the images on TV of lines and lines of Black people, standing in the rain, waiting to vote (some for 8 hours, if I recall) and I hear Edwards' voice saying (approx) "If you come out to vote, we'll fight for every vote". And then the next thing you know it's "Oh, my bad, we're done, buh bye!"

This was, of course, Kerry's decision and fault, but he had sent out Edwards to make the case and so his was the face and voice of that promise. Elizabeth Edwards tried to address this at one time (in this campaign) but she seems to have been shut down fairly quickly. Edwards, so far as I know, has not tried to address it directly.

I could be all wrong about this, but that's what *I* think of when I think of Edwards.


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not just Af-Am voters (4.00 / 1)
In a year in which 200K more South Carolinians voted in the primaries than in 2004, Edwards received about 40K fewer votes.

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thanks for the replies (0.00 / 0)
Just want to thank those who offered insight -- you all make good points.

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What does it say (0.00 / 0)
that Obama gets a bit more than 20% of the White vote?  Could be interesting going forward.

One thing it could say (0.00 / 0)
Is that Whites are more comfortable with other candidates because they've been better served than minorities by those candidates.  Changing a given system is most appealing to people who are most screwed by that system.

John McCain opposes the GI Bill.

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VICTORY IS OURS!!!! (4.00 / 4)
It's a "rout", (Associated Press)

The forces of evil (the Clintons) vanquished. Truth and righteousness carry the day.

Obama 08 , the inevitability of hope.


It's hard to fathom that (4.00 / 2)
when you write:

It would appear that the Clintons have lost African-Americans in this primary season, big-time.

That you are making an understatement.

I wrote a bit about this here.


Watch the Delegate Count (0.00 / 0)
Clinton may yet end up third or tied for second in the count that counts.

Meh. (0.00 / 0)
I doubt it.
Don't count on it.

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Logically (0.00 / 0)
It seems silly to say that the Clintons have "lost" black voters, since if black voters were voting against Clinton rather than for Obama, many more of them would go for Edwards.

Yup. (0.00 / 0)
Which indeed makes sense, except Edwards has been doing terribly among black voters -- if they were interested, more of them would vote Edwards, on principle.

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I don't think so (4.00 / 1)
If one accepts that there is a perception in the African-American community that the Clinton campaign is attacking Obama unfairly and with racial overtones, then one can accept that African-Americans have abandoned Clinton and rallied to Obama in his defense.

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Women (NH) and blacks both (0.00 / 0)
Support their own when they beaten up, and race trumps gender for black women but gender trumps race for white women.  But many will also support Obama. 

John McCain--He's not who you think he is.

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Re: (0.00 / 0)
I guess it's an issue of nomenclature whether you call that a vote for Obama or a vote against Clinton.

The exit poll numbers don't seem to bear out very much of an anti-anyone vote, really.  In fact, it seems more Clinton supporters would be disappointed if Obama were the nominee, than Obama supporters who would be disappointed if Clinton were the nominee.


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Intriguing numbers (0.00 / 0)
Thanks for the quick, insightful and multi-update analysis Chris.  I'd be especially interested to see breakouts that combine gender, race and age, if those are available.

The mix of white voters by age is intriguing, and strikes me as bad news for Clinton, good news for Edwards (as long as he can stay visible in the race) and a challenge to Obama to get out the young voters.


Some numbers (0.00 / 0)
Per CNN and MSNBC both, i believe whites under 30 voted 50% for Obama, but it might have been overall.  Anyway, he won huge with blacks (80%) and young people.  Only 15% of whites over 60, though.

John McCain--He's not who you think he is.

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Not that I'm complaining (0.00 / 0)
  But no Chris Matthews tonight?

Those wacky, wacky pollsters! (0.00 / 0)
They were just as wrong for the SC primary as for NH (about 10% off). Of course, since the error in SC doesn't make a difference for who the victor is, no one is gonna talk about it.

No one was even close (0.00 / 0)
Obama won 55% of the vote.

No one had him over 43.

The polling in SC was as bad as NH.

And my god, what is ARG is smoking...


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Momentum (0.00 / 0)
This is the big question after tonight.  I don't think anyone saw Obama winning over 50% of the vote.  Will that be enough to cut into Clinton's Super Tuesday advantage?

We're definitely in uncharted territory here.  I've been saying that Obama needs a game changer to have a shot at splitting Super Tuesday with Clinton.  I was doubtful that a South Carolina win would provide that, but the magnitude of this victory seems pretty impossible to ignore.  I'll be interested to see how the narrative shifts from here.


I agree (0.00 / 0)
I didn't see this  big of a win coming.

I don't think its enough to change the narrative, but it will make for an interesting 3 -4 days.


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I don't understand Update 10 (0.00 / 0)
Are you reversing the words Democratic and Republican?

a few quick thoughts based on the exit poll (0.00 / 0)
1. Exit poll has non-black vote going HRC 38, JRE 35, BHO 25. That is a very good result for Obama... bordering on great. South Carolina whites are almost certainly less likely to vote for Obama than "average" whites, all else equal. If Obama is only 10 points back of Clinton in the non-black vote on Feb 5, he will do quite well. I will run the math on the demographics and see what comes out. 

2. As Paul Rosenberg hinted in a previous comment, can we put the Bill-Clinton-as-political-genius myth to bed please? He doesn't appear to have helped his wife much, if at all... he may have hurt her. Those who thought Bill's campaigning was "very important" split 50-50 b/t Obama and Clinton; those who thought his campaigning was "somewhat important" broke 5 to 3 for Obama.

3. Obama ran exactly as strongly in the 50-64 age group as he did in the overall primary. Yes, he ran a bit stronger in the younger groups and got beat in the 65+ group... but this is emphatically not a result driven by the young.

4. Today is probably the first day in the campaign on which Edwards could swing the primary to Obama by endorsing him. I'm an Edwards guy but Obama >> Clinton imo and I'm torn. Anyways, with Obama tightening things up today and increasing the odds of a brokered convention and/or other funny business, the odds of Edwards' withdrawal may have actually gone down today notwithstanding his third place finish.

Gotta say I'm thrilled by this result, even though I'm disappointed that JRE couldn't quite break through.


btw (0.00 / 0)
those numbers are from the cnn exit poll chris linked to above... http://www.cnn.com/E...

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Good analysis (0.00 / 0)
but you did miss one thing:
Obama won the under 30 white vote 52-27.

Its an amazing number, and does suggest how different the younger generation is.


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I may have to revise all (4.00 / 3)
my comments the last week about Hillary having it in the bag.  Couldn't be a happier revision.

Now THAT... (4.00 / 3)
...is a victory speech.

Wow.

"Don't hate the media, become the media" -Jello Biafra


Delegate counts from SC per MSNBC (0.00 / 0)
Obama 25
Clinton 12
Edwards 8

Bill Clinton's racist statement (0.00 / 0)
Folks:

Lets not forget Bill little statement this morning about Jessie Jackson winning South Carolina twice.  Essentially saying Obama won because he was black.

Its as racist as it comes!

I've got the You Tube video on my web site:
http://nobhillobserv...


Really? (4.00 / 1)
That's "as racist as it comes"?

Is there anywhere in the blogosphere to escape this kind of hyperbole?


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No kidding (0.00 / 0)
Who would've thought that slavery wasn't quite as racist as a comment about Jesse Jackson winning SC?  I wasn't there to see it myself, but from what I hear, slavery was pretty racist.

John McCain opposes the GI Bill.

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of course, but it was still pretty bad (0.00 / 0)
After all, the most recent Dem to win South Carolina twice was Bill Clinton.

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agreed (0.00 / 0)
Time for Bill Clinton to STFU.  I have said here in the past day that I've favored Hillary Clinton over Barack Obama by a slight margin.

But this remark by Bill Clinton is beyond the pale.  It may not be "racist" per se, but it's tone deaf in the extreme, and if not stopped NOW, may make the Democratic nomination, should Hillary get it, not worth having.

I still favor Hillary on policy grounds slightly, but Obama did a pretty good job this morning explaining his Reagan remarks (he still would have been better off not making them in the first place) and may have clawed his way back to 50-50 on the "sTiVo index".  I'd still like to see him put forth a more progressive agenda than he has (see some of Paul Rosenberg's excellent posts), and he has time to do that.

Hillary has gotten a raw deal in the press, but she has to see that this stuff isn't going to fly.  Yes, the press has let Obama get away with stuff they don't let Hillary get away with.  It isn't fair.  But so be it.  Barack Obama is Barack Obama, he's not Jesse Jackson, and these absurd attempts to tie Obama to political referents of twenty years ago is not going to help her.  They're just pathetic.

Many who seek the presidency never get it, and learn to accept the fact with some grace.  None (except Grover Cleveland???) has ever had a "second chance" which seems like what Bill desperately wants.  But I DON'T CARE about that.  A Hillary nomination won this way won't win and it may not be attainable.  I do care about that.

Bill Clinton needs, as above, to STFU.  If Hillary is to be an effective president she MUST win this on her own.  She either takes command - publicly - of her campaign now - including Bill, or she isn't going to make it and better start getting used to the fact.

sTiVo's rule: Just because YOU "wouldn't put it past 'em" doesn't prove that THEY did it.


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No need for the video; we believe you (4.00 / 1)
But it's still not racist. Obama did win because his was black. Does anybody really deny that?

He won 80% of the black vote. Among white voters, he lost to Hillary AND Edwards.

It's not a knock against him; Hillary probably won Nevada because she's white. Big whoop.

But the truth is the truth.


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Ehh (0.00 / 0)
That's either exceptionally shortsighted or exceptional shorthand.  Identity politics based on race and/or gender might tip scales but they had to go a long way to be viable before identity voting could swing things meaningfully.

John McCain opposes the GI Bill.

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Nope (0.00 / 0)
It's incredibly dismissive toward black voters in the same way the GOP is dismissive of black voters for voting Democratic time after time. I'd call that racist.

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Well... (4.00 / 1)
If it's perceived dismissiveness you're taking issue with that's a different issue. The original remark, the one I was taking issue with, was that it was racist to say that Obama won S. Carolina because he is black.

He did win S. Carolina because he's black. The numbers don't lie, and they are overwhelming - he came in a distant third among whites, and utterly demolished the competition among blacks. Do you think that's a coincidence?

Now, what conclusions should be drawn from these facts - that's a different issue. I personally have no problem with black voters voting for Obama because he's black; why shouldn't they leap at the chance to elect the long-overdue first black president? There is nothing at all shameful about that. Especially given that Hillary and Obama are just about identical, policy-wise, there's no reason why the desire to see a black president shouldn't tip the scales.

So if you think Clinton was saying, it doesn't count because they were black, OK, I could see where that would be objectionable. But just saying that Obama won because of his race is not a racist statement, it's an obvious - and completely unremarkable - fact.


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Did Obama "win because of his race"? (0.00 / 0)
Did the Union win the Civil War because John Bell had split the anti-Lincoln vote in 1860... thereby delivering the presidency to Lincoln and making possible his leadership?

Did America get bogged down in Vietnam because LBJ decided to accept JFK's VP offer in 1960... thereby allowing LBJ to assume the presidency post-assassination?

Causation is a tricky thing. I don't like seeing the word "racist" thrown around; I will only say that your position, at best, drastically and inaccurately simplifies the history.


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one more point (0.00 / 0)
Obama could have won less than half the black vote in SC and still won overall (assuming the lost votes split evenly between Clinton and Edwards). 

Some causation.


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It is racist but (0.00 / 0)
Not incredibly overtly racist. People will think you hyperbolic if you call it that.

Still, it's clearly dismissive of black voters in SC and black candidates who garner their support, so I'd file that comment under R for racism, to be sure.


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Obama spectacular, Clinton ungracious (4.00 / 1)
Another towering oratory from Obama, his sincerity and conviction are his greatest assets.

It's unfortunate that Hillary Rodham Clinton doesn't have the good graces to concede this defeat and congratulate the victor properly.  She doesn't respect the people of South Carolina, she doesn't respect the American people, and she doesn't respect democracy.

Hillary is already busy trying to make people afraid in her stump speech, in front of a conspicuously high number of African-Americans sitting behind her who look rather disinterested.  I get the feeling they'd rather be somewhere else, but you can't say that about any of the people who were attending Barack Obama's speech, you know there's nowhere else they'd rather be.  Obama is for real, he's the real deal.

I feel sorry for people who can't see Barack Obama the why I do.

For once in modern history we are being presented with a presidential candidate of superior quality, a leader of uncommon talents, for once we don't have to settle for mediocrity or make distasteful compromises, for once we have a great man willing to lead this country.  It's never happened in my lifetime, and I don't expect it'll ever happen again, and I'll tell you one thing, I'm going to do everything in my power, everything I can possibly think of to make sure that Barack Obama becomes the next president, because I love my country, and I want this nation to be great again, I want to be a part of a great America.

Obama 08 


Interesting (0.00 / 0)
I'm not an expert on persuasion, but I don't hyperbolic pity being considered a productive debate tactic.

John McCain opposes the GI Bill.

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You should go over to talkleft (0.00 / 0)
They've got a bunch of lawyers over their who think that a political campaign is about swaying people's opinion through deceptive manipulative rhetorical techniques, the kind of thing you see in courtrooms being used on juries.

I'm not interested in convincing people, my only interest is calling it the way I see it, and if that turns people off, I'm cool with that.  :-)



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Interesting (0.00 / 0)
So your point is not to persuade or to inform in a way that would influence behavior?  Probably just need a wall for that.  Don't need to be campaigning, but it seems like you should have a point.

John McCain opposes the GI Bill.

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9% of the delegates assigned....... (0.00 / 0)

....looks like there are still a lot of Democrats to be heard from.

Sure hope they're not all stuck into Identity politics like many are claiming. I kinda like being in the Democratic Party....

...not the Republican.

If you can take my drift.

Peace, Health and Prosperity for Everyone.


Bill Clinton: John McCain and Hillary are 'very close'... (0.00 / 0)
Bill Clinton: John McCain and Hillary are 'very close'...

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End this war. Stop John McCain. Cindy McCain is filthy rich.


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