on Zogby (4.00 / 1)

I agree that we shouldn't trust or count on Zogby. Fair enough. But they were pretty close in Iowa.

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by: the new @ Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 02:21:02 AM CST

Hey, Everybody, Look!!! It's A Bright, Shiny Primary (4.00 / 2)

Pay no attention to the sell-out Senators passing retro-active telecom immunity behind the curtain.

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by: konopelli @ Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 02:25:17 AM CST

Indeed! (0.00 / 0)

I can't wait for this horse race crap to go back below the fold so we can focus on things that matter right now.  Isn't it convenient that a major bombshell - Bush stacked the 9/11 Commission in his favor after failing to prevent it from convening - fell right in the middle of all this?

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by: BigTuna @ Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 03:16:03 AM CST

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I APPLAUD Michelle Obama (0.00 / 0)

If someone sent surrogates out to call my husband a coke dealer, "THEY"wouldn't get my support either. Interesting how you well-known progressive bloggers are always calling out pols for lying and when someone tell the truth about how they feel, They are ARROGANT."Pot to Kettle"!
As for Zogby, unlike past years they have been pretty good with the primaries.

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by: gaiilonfong @ Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 02:28:19 AM CST

How did the Edwards/Wynn debate go? (0.00 / 0)

I'd love to see her knock him out of that seat.

Still undecided here in NJ.  I can't believe it.  Though, having lost my candidate only a week ago, I guess it's not that surprising.  

I could flip a coin.  I could give in to the urge to vote for Obama (mostly emotional) or I could go with my logic that Clinton is probably a safer choice, a more known entity, or I could decide not to vote in the primary, though that doesn't feel right at all.  But voting for someone I don't really believe in doesn't feel right either, in a primary.  In the general election, I'll strongly support our candidate, whoever it may be.  

I've been here before, choosing between the lesser of two evils per se, and not voting "for" someone.  I hate this feeling.

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by: joanneleon @ Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 02:31:39 AM CST

You may wan to read Poblano's take on the polls (0.00 / 0)

he seems to come to the opposite conclusion.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/...

and I agree with Michelle, she should not be expected to work for the Clinton campaign, should she win, she has done plenty. I do not think she said anything about support, it was about working, so there is a difference there, especially when asked to a working mother of two young children, but then only working parents would understand, I think.  

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by: eyesonthestreet @ Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 02:40:41 AM CST

Arrogance? (4.00 / 1)

You are right we can't fill the UCLA stadium during the super bowl. And you are right we don't like the Clintons. And yes, we have a lot of young supporters who attend rallies.

But Arrogance? My blood runs cold when I think about the arrogance of lying to a grand jury, saying I never inhaled, crying on demand, refusing to make public tax returns or White House documents, and/or using surrogates to push racially based narratives(i could go on). Lying is arrogant. Doing anything to win is arrogant. I value truth.

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by: aiko @ Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 03:09:15 AM CST

Yeah ... them are 'fightin' words from Stoller... (0.00 / 0)

Sorry Matt the 'luv' just isn't there with the Clinton ticket...

If she continues to fight dirty -- that 'Unity' you are hoping for won't happen... Hello President McCain...

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by: SandThroughTheEyeGlass @ Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 07:34:06 AM CST

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That Obama Video (0.00 / 0)

is a lot of fun to you and me, but I wonder if it could not come back to haunt him. Might the Republicans exploit it in a campaign which will doubtless be trying to appeal in various ways to the white bigots and haters in their Party?  The message: "Obama supporters are not like you and me".

I am Obama-skeptic, but I have to say I like the tone of the potshots he has been taking at McCain in recent days.

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by: bob h @ Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 04:04:49 AM CST

On Empty Seats (0.00 / 0)

I went to the St. Louis rally and almost all the seats were empty in the NFL stadium where the rally was held. But then again, the floor was packed to the tune of 22,500 people. And this was a rally held 9pm in competition with a Blues game and Mardi Gras celebrations in the Soulard district. A noon rally for Clinton the next day in St. Louis had about 1000.

Look at the crowd count, not the empty seats.

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by: clarkent @ Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 04:05:18 AM CST

"There are also reports of empty seats at Obama events" (0.00 / 0)

Chris, I expect this from the Politico, but not from you! It is probably worth pointing out that the photo is from an event that Obama didn't attend (and wasn't ever scheduled to attend).  So maybe Michelle, Caroline Kennedy, and Oprah could only pull 8,000 people in LA on Sunday, but at that time Obama was drawing 20,000 people in downtown Wilmington.

I'm not saying he has a Godly power to draw crowds, but it wouldn't really be fair to say he isn't pulling crowds based only on events he doesn't go to.

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by: CantWait08 @ Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 04:05:47 AM CST

Obama's Arrogance (0.00 / 0)

You see what you want to see. I go to a Hillary rally and I see people who are out of touch with her image, her stances on labor and the war. I go to Obama rallies and the audience is full of folks who are out of touch with his ability to transcend party politics. Pick your misconception. Both sides have supporters who don't understand their candidates.

Now, if you want to talk about arrogance, look no futher than Minneapolis this weekend. Obama rented the 20,000 seat Target Center and filled it to the rafters. Clinton got a high school sized gym, could not fill it, and still, for whatever reason, gave a nod to the "overflow room" which she promised she would "visit after the rally."

You tell me who has more hubris.

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by: Aaron.in.Mpls @ Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 04:06:47 AM CST

Rooting for Pera and Edwards (4.00 / 2)

Actually, I'm much more interested in the primaries that will make a progressive difference.  I won't be too fussed/jubilant regardless of who comes out ahead in the presidential, but I am really hyped about Mark Pera's contest today.  I will be extremely excited tonight if he wins, that's for sure.

And in a week we've got Edwards, which as a rematch is even more intense, esp with how much institutional incumbency protection she's up against.  Go Donna!

Tim Wolfe

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by: bruorton @ Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 04:14:28 AM CST

Empty Seats (4.00 / 1)

Hey Matt -

The other comments above cover the points I wanted to make (Obama wasn't at that rally, it was during the Super Bowl, the Pauley Pavillion holds 13,000 people - before you count the people on the floor, there were 8,000 people at a rally w/o the candidate during the Super Bowl!), so I'll just point to yesterday evening's rally in Hartford.  The HCC was full (for a political rally not UCONN-Tennessee women's basketball) - it seats 16k + people on the floor - and it was hopping.

A staffer, who was not on the speaking line-up got a standing O for giving information on how to help GOTV.  About an hour before the speaking was supposed to start, a full lower bowl and a half full upper bowl started the wave.

Whatever else you want to say about him, the guy can draw a crowd.

See you Thursday?

CT Local Politics: Our Primaries are Better than Yours!

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by: Gabe @ Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 04:37:58 AM CST

I think the mailers are from Emily's List (0.00 / 0)

at least the numerous ones my wife got were NOT officially Clinton camapaign.  I thought they were pretty impressive.


New Jersey politics at Blue Jersey.

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by: Hopeful in NJ @ Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 04:58:36 AM CST

What the world needs now... (4.00 / 1)

For all you political junkies who have already read everything in the blogosphere and are craving more as you wait for returns, English language Al Jazeera asked its readers for their thoughts on the American elections.

Best quote
From Somalia:

People in Somalia prefer Democrats to dominate the White House, because the Democrats are less violent than Republicans.

True that, at least at the grassroots level.

From Israel:

Any US president who would push us, either politically or by using the aid package as a bribe, to end the conflict in a peaceful and just way would be good for Israel.

Therefore I would say that any of the Republican fundamentalist candidates would be worst for Israel since they all encourage (and fund) the conflict and encourage (and fund) fundamentalist groups and politicians in Israel.

From Venezuela:

But as far as diplomatic relations are concerned, a Democrat is easier for us to talk to.

From the Phillipines:

Everyone in the US wants change. It would be a breather if a Democratic president is elected. However, a 360-degree change in US foreign policy is maybe too idealistic.

All you America-first trolls may now direct your flames my way for being aware the outside world exists.

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by: johnalive @ Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 05:34:45 AM CST

Gosh! Maybe I Was Wrong! (0.00 / 0)

That Republicans Are BAD For The Economy:

Sex workers are prepping for the conventions, though anecdotally the GOP Convention is better for business.  Shocker.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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by: Paul Rosenberg @ Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 05:35:24 AM CST

On Zogby (0.00 / 0)

Zogby might be off sometimes, but Zogby has actually been one of the better pollsters this primary season. He nailed the Florida GOP result, for example - his final poll there was McCain 35, Romney 31, which was what the final result was. Ras, SUSA, Insider Advantage all had it as a tie.

If that poll was ARG, I'd be with you in discounting it. But Zogby has been better than Ras and SUSA this primary cycle (although Zogby was worse in '02, '04, and '06).

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by: Ben P @ Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 09:36:04 AM CST

HAHAHAHA (0.00 / 0)

Yeah, the Obama campaign is the arrogant one, not the "Hillary is inevitable" campaign...

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by: moreaxe @ Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 16:06:29 PM CST