The Source Of Clinton's Superdelegate Lead

by: Chris Bowers

Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 10:40


Article Summary
The main focus of arguments over superdelegates in the Democratic nomination campaign thus far appears to miss the mark. The issue is not with highly visible public officials like Ted Kennedy who have endorsed different candidates than their constituents. Cumulatively speaking and once one accounts for the difference in size between the New York and Illinois delegations, publicly elected officials are endorsing at about the same pace and with about the same candidate preferences as primary voters and caucus goers. Rather, the main source of the discrepancy between popular vote / pledged delegate totals (no matter how they are counted), and superdelegate endorsements comes from local, low-profile party officials, typically members of the DNC, who will prove far more difficult to persuade and / or hold accountable in the event that they defy the popular vote and / or pledged delegate results. The superdelegate issue is much more about local Democratic activists like Jenny Greenleaf, Carol Campbell or even myself than it is about Ted Kennedy or Leonard Boswell. Predicting or assuming how these superdelegates will decide to act at the convention strikes me as a fool's game. It is probably just as unwise to assume that they will cave to popular pressure as to assume that they will not.

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Chris Bowers :: The Source Of Clinton's Superdelegate Lead
Looking through the Superdelegate Transparency Project and the list of superdelegate endorsements at Democratic Convention Watch, I have noticed that Hillary Clinton's current advantage among superdelegate endorsements is not primarily the result of publicly elected officials defying the will of their constituents. Among superdelegates that earned their position through public elections, Clinton holds a 100-81 advantage in endorsements. Most of that advantage can be accounted for in the different number of publicly elected superdelegates from Illinois who have endorsed Obama (11) and those from New York that have endorsed Clinton (27). Among publicly elected superdelegates from outside of Illinois, New York, Michigan and Florida, Clinton holds only a narrow 73-70 advantage in endorsements that is not significantly different from the popular vote thus far.

The overall balance of publicly elected superdelegates actually appears roughly equal to the overall balance of the popular vote so far. In fact, at the rate that Obama is picking up endorsements from publicly elected superdelegates, whatever remaining advantage Clinton has in this area will probably be eliminated entirely before long if Obama continues to win states. While there are publicly elected superdelegates who have endorsed a candidate defiance of the popular will of their constituents, cumulatively superedelgates who are publicly elected officials are not defying the public will to any significant degree.

Instead of public officials, the main source of Clinton's advantage comes from among superdelegates that earned their status through intra-party elections. In other words, the bulk of Clinton's endorsement advantage in this area comes from superdelegates that are either current or former members of the Democratic National Committee. Within this group, which forms the majority of all superdelegates, Clinton holds an endorsement advantage of 138 to 79.5.  All of these officials technically represent the entire state or territory in which they live, rather than their local congressional districts. In states where Clinton won the majority of popular support, Clinton leads among party elected superdelegates 55 to 20. In states and territories that have to hold elections and / or announce results, Clinton leads among party elected superdelegates 32 to 19.5.

Here is where things get interesting and eye-opening. Stunningly, in states where Obama won the majority of popular support, Clinton leads the endorsements from party elected superdelegates, 51 to 40, which is the primary source of Clinton's superdelegate advantage. If all DNC members were simply endorsing their state, then the entirety of Clinton's superdelegate advantage would be the results of the difference in size between the New York and Illinois delegations. At that point, her advantage would be reduced to 207 to 191.5, and not a big deal given current popular vote totals. If that were the case, then superdelegate endorsements would, cumulatively speaking, closely reflect the popular vote nationwide.

This is an important finding that should shift the focus of the superdelegate discussion away from prominent public figures like Ted Kennedy or Leonard Boswell who endorsed candidates different from the ones whom their constituents supported. Instead, the balance of power in superdelegate endorsements currently rests with local political activists who have much lower national profiles. There superdelegates will also be more difficult to sway, given that so few people know who they are, and that they have the local organizing ability and connections to be re-elected to the DNC almost no matter what. Further, if my personal experience is any indication, they will also tend to be some of the more strident and abstinent activists you can find.

As a member of a state Democratic committee, I am only one rank below superdelegate in the party hierarchy myself. In fact, I am of the rank that elects many superdelegates. Trust me when I say that these are very easy votes to sway. As just one example, Carol Campbell is on the superdelegates from Pennsylvania, and she has made it quite clear on several occasions that she does not really care if the party does what the majority of voters want it to so. . For an extreme example of how difficult it will be to sway a superdelegate, read this profile of Carol Campbell from a local Philadelphia weekly. She is a local Philadelphia machine boss who was once placed on city council without an election even taking place. After losing her DNC seat because she never attended meetings, and after losing her city council seat in a blowout in the Democratic primary last year, she was also re-elected to the DNC without warning or debate during a state committee meeting I attended. Even though Campbell has not endorsed, goooooood luck with changing her mind once she does. If you really think you can persuade her, click here for another classic Campbell quote that should tell you what she thinks of pressure from the grassroots.

Of course, not all superdelegates are like Carol Campbell. They are also like Jenny Greenleaf, or even like me. As I noted, I am only one rank away from being a superdelegate in the party hierarchy. Further, if I were a superdelegate, I don't think I would accountable to vote the way all Pennsylvanians vote. I would vote my neighborhood (West Philly), vote with the blogosphere, or vote with the national popular vote before I would vote my state. Those are the groups to which I feel accountable, not "Pennsylvania," which does not really mean that much to me. (Three other state capitals are closer to where I live than Harrisburg. Also, I can take the subway to Jersey or light rail to Delaware, but most of Pennsylvania is inaccessible to me. Further, I grew up in Upstate New York where most of my family lives and most of my favorite sports teams still play. I travel from Boston to D.C. all the time, but rarely do I travel west of Harrisburg. As such, why should the concept of "Pennsylvania" by so special to me?). Given the way I parse out my loyalties, it does not seem hard to imagine that other DNC superdelegates would have different and quite varied feelings of loyalty and accountability.

This is a complex problem without simply solutions. I believe that superdelegates should hold off on firm commitments until the voting and caucusing completes on June 7th, or until only one candidate is left in the campaign. If, at that point, more than one person leads in the various ways that pledged delegates and popular votes can be counted nationwide, then I think superdelegates should vote for whomever they like. However, if one candidate leads in all the various permutations of the popular vote and pledged delegate counts, then they should all line up behind that candidate to avoid a brokered convention. That is the principle that I think our superdelegates should all follow, but I also realize convincing them to do so won't be easy. Nearly half of all superdelegates have endorsed, and it is difficult to put the toothpaste back in the tube, to say the least. Further, not only are there competing definitions of the popular vote and pledged delegate total, but there are also competing definitions of what criteria superdelegates should use in making their decision. In such an environment, achieving a shared goal of having a legitimate and strong nominee who can unite the party in the general election will not be an easy task.  


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Indeed (4.00 / 1)
Any system that relies on Carol Campbell acting in the best interests of anyone other than Carol Campbell has a serious risk of failure.

It is widely perceived that the same can be truthfully said about HRC (0.00 / 0)
ergo the prospects are grim for the democrats if the primary is stolen.

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Well maybe next time (0.00 / 0)
the democratic party will have it's act together, but no one should hold their breath.

In such an environment, achieving a shared goal of having a legitimate and strong nominee who can unite the party in the general election will not be an easy task.  

The legitimacy issue is going to be nearly impossible if the insiders grant the nomination to HRC against the will of the grassroots. It's really as simple as that, the shell game can be ignored.


I was doing a similar count... (4.00 / 2)
To you on Friday, and I noticed the same thing.  I ended up giving up though, as some DNC delegates are actually elected officials on a lower level (a lieutenant governor, state senators, state assemblymen, etc), and thus do actually have some sort of elected position - and I didn't have the time to track down a bio for each one of them.

One interesting thing to note is assuming Hillary has been building up her lead on these DNC superdelegates, there isn't much further she can build it.  Out of the (non FL/MI) supers left, 126 are senators, congressmen, governors or Al Gore/Jimmy Carter.  71 are associated with the national DNC, or chairs and/or vice chairs - these folks generally haven't endorsed yet, and will likely remain neutral for the most part.  Nine are associated with democratic-affiliated organizations rather than the DNC.  Only 108 "generic" DNC superdelegates remain.  This would suggest the superdelegate battle is on more even terms now than it was at the outset.  


Great info (0.00 / 0)
Thanks for your info. I feel like we are learning more about the process all the time, and your research helps further those goals of knowledge and transparency. Good to know.  

[ Parent ]
Going over the cliff (0.00 / 0)
I suppose once again the question is, do these party insiders, whether they be high profile or low profile people, have the good sense not to run the party over a cliff  with all the devastation that will happen with a nominee that is elected by supers and not voters. The damage has begun to happen already, the distrust is growing, and a number of folks who might have begun to identify with and help grow the Dem. party,especially the young and the independent, are ready to throw it under the bus.

Obama states (4.00 / 1)
Chris wrote:

Stunningly, in states where Obama won the majority of popular support, Clinton leads the endorsements from party elected superdelegates, 51 to 40

One thing to note is that 3 of the states Obama won, MD, DC, and VA, are also home to a higher percentage of superdelegates because of the number of at-large superdelegates that happen to reside in the area. Looking at the list, DC has 13 at-large delegates, MD has 9, VA has 4. These superdelegates represent whatever constituency they are from, and should probably not be considered to be representative of their state of residence.  

DemConWatch


Super Delegate Reform Proposal (0.00 / 0)
For the 2012 DNC Nominating Process --

Be it resolved: On the first ballot of the DNC Presidential Nominating Convention, the Super Delegates from each State, District, Commonwealth, and Territory shall apportion their ballots so as to most closely reflect the popular primary or caucus vote in said State, District, Commonwealth, or Territory.

Chris, if you write up a formal resolution that reflects these goals, it could become a focal point for pressuring the Super Delegates in this Convention.

This approach allows high profile Super Delegates to support one candidate or another -- the overall SD vote from their region will be divided fairly if this rule is adopted.  


Let's not jump the gun (0.00 / 0)
Or the shark.  The problems with the Dems' nominating rules for almost my entire adult life (beginning with the disputed MS delegations in 1964) have resulted almost overwhelmingly from trying to correct the mistakes of the last election (or sometimes last 2) and not looking ahead to what may be the problems of the future.  The idea of super delegates is not inherently bad, although there may be a few too many of them.  What is bad is the idea that insiders should go against the clear will of the electorate for (primarily) personal gain, because that's what we will be talking about if it gets to that point--patronage pure and simple.  

Chris' analysis is very good and helpful.  But still, we can't know until March 5 if we have a real problem.  If Obama wins WI, HI, TX delegates, VT and RI, he is in a pretty solid position.  If Hillary wins WI, then OH, TX and RI, she is still strong.  Then we can worry about the Supers and the PA interval.

The last thing we should be concerned about now is the 2012 convention.  It matters greatly whether we will have an incumbent running, and we won't know that until November 5.

John McCain--He's not who you think he is.


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DNC Members Should Be Replaced in State Conventions (0.00 / 0)
The state parties are actually sovereign, not the DNC.

So, in fact, states do replace DNC delegates in state conventions and should send newly elected DNC delegates as SuperDelegates, not lame ducks. The "elected official" excuse for SuperDelegates should be examined as well. Most of them are cheap-seat/safe-seat office-squatters who do not run for office.

To be sure, newly elected DNC delegates are not seated on the DNC by the DNC until after the National Convention.

But, any state can send any delegation to the National Convention and, ultimately, the Permanent Committee on Credentials has to seat them or not. That permanent committee is comprised of convention delegates, not of DNC seat-warmers.

The precedent here is not Chicago '68.

It is Miami '72.

The issue is whether self-perpetuating state and national executive committees run the state and national parties as lawyer-ridden patronage-chains or whether conventions -- republican and democratic -- are the highest authority in the party.

It is a basic question. And, one should be looking now at what Obama delegations are actually doing in their various states to transform and revive their state-parties. Obama should already be assumming command of this party in several states.

Clinton has already demonstrated an unfitness to commaand politically in Texas. But, Obama is still a question mark.



::JRBehrman


I Would Like to Hear YOUR Definition . . . (0.00 / 0)
. . . of "popular vote".  You are playing a very insubstantial card unless you come clean on how you determine "popular vote" in the Democratic nominating process--the grand total of all voters who voted in the totality of primaries and caucuses? Or some twister-tortured definition that favors one candidate?  

Rules make delegates the proxy (0.00 / 0)
Since the rules allow a multitude of ways to select delegates (essentially up to the states), votes aren't comparable across states.  The whole nominating convention system is based on the notion that pledged delegates are a proxy for the "popular will".  How important a particular state or area is, is determined by the votes in the last general elections, so areas that vote heavily Dem get extra delegates.  This is the way the system is set up.  There is thus no basis to weight red states below blue states or big states over small states because the delegate weighting already does that, or priomaries above caucuses because a variety of systems are permitted.

Personally, I see the results of a campaign as a precursor of how good the candidate will be at running in the general and at governing.  Did s/he hire good people?  Did they look over the landscape carefully to see how best to organize the campaign to get the desired result (most delegates)?  Have they constantly been forward looking?  Did they have Plan B and C?  Do they have a well-run organization without debilitating friction and mismanagement?  Are they constantly enlarging their colition?

That, plus the pledged delegate lead, as the recognized proxy for popular support, should decide who gets the nomination.

John McCain--He's not who you think he is.


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Next questions: (0.00 / 0)
I'm one of the ones who think that the superdelegates are a non-issue because we'll see a definite leader before the convention and the s-d's will line up behind him or her.

But if we want to boost transparency in preparation for the worst-case scenario, there are a few more questions we need to answer, and they deal with the temporary and standing committees who arbitrate who votes at the convention, and what the convention rules will be.

Different states have different means of electing delegates, so I'm going to talk about North Carolina specifically. In January the NC state committee elected members of the "temporary" rules, credentials, and platform committees. At our state convention, the state delegation (pledged delegates and s-d's) will elect the members of the "standing" committees - with each candidate getting to select a number of  members proportionate to the results of our May primary.

As far as I can tell, it's rare for the temporary committees to meet at all. Most decisions related to the running of a convention are left to the VIP's (e.g. - in 2004 - Jennifer Granholm, Rosa DeLauro) who chair these committees, or to the campaign of the presumptive nominee. So these folks - who have no declared loyalty to a candidate - are unlikely to come into play unless there are issues related to the rules or credentialing of delegates that arise so early and are so pressing that the DNC needs a representative body to sign off on decisions well in advance of the convention. This year, of course, could be a year that they'll have to spring into action.

The standing committees will definitely meet - and if this year is like 2004, then they'll meet a few days ahead of the convention to sign off on decisions already made. But if we're looking at the worst-case scenario, well - they may have some tough calls to make.

So, some questions:

1. Do I have this right?

2. Are decisions made by the temporary committees binding, or can they be altered or reversed by the standing committees?

3. Could either rules committee alter things so as to change the roles or voting privileges of superdelegates?

4. How likely is it that the credentials committees can reach a compromise on the Michigan and Florida delegations? What are they likely to do? Could these committees be used to force a ruling favorable to one candidate or the other?

5. Could a candidate use either the credentials or rules committees to game the system? Could a candidate control these committees without winning a plurality of pledged delegates?

Just some food for thought.


Excellent Analysis, Chris (0.00 / 0)
This is exactly the sort of detail I wanted to ferret out with STP. Good use of the data.

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