Wisconsin Results Thread--Obama Wins

by: Chris Bowers

Tue Feb 19, 2008 at 20:40


96% Reporting, 74 pledged delegates at stake
Obama: 58%, 41 delegates so far
Clinton: 41%, 28 delegates so far

Update 8: I'm taking a break: OK, the results don't seem to be changing much anymore, so I am going to take a break until the Hawaii caucus starts tonight at 12:30 a.m., eastern. I'm actually feeling kind of sick, and wish that a state like Hawaii was pretty much any other night than tonight, but we shall soldier on here at Open Left anyway. A Wisconsin aftermath / Hawaii prelude thread has been created above this one.

Update 7: More complete exit poll at CBS. Obama narrowly won Dems (51%-48%), but landed crushing blows among Independents, Republicans, and Others. Also, there is once again basically no ideological gap, which I think partially expresses the frustration that some of us movement progressives have with the campaign so far.

Update 6: Closest Democratic Nomination in at least 48 years: Just to keep things in perspective even during an Obama victory, Clinton will actually pass a milestone tonight that will make this the closest Democratic nomination campaign since at least 1960. Today, even without Michigan and Florida, she hit 1219 delegates when one counts supers, moving her 1 delegate ahead of Jessee Jackson's 1988 total of 1218. Jackson's 1988 performance was the highest number of delegates ever won by a Democrat who did not win the nomination.

Update 5: Clinton asks for money during her speech? Although I didn't see it, several commenters have reported that Clinton asked for money during her speech. That can't be a good sign for her campaign.

Update 4: Democratic turnout once again more than doubles Republican turnout. Obviously, it helps that our nomination campaign is the much more competitive one, but it is still indicative of a higher level of excitement. Hopefully, that will continue all the way through November.

Update 3: CNN, MSNBC both call Wisconsin for Obama: No word on delegate totals yet, which will continue to trickle in through the night. Stay tuned...

Also, in case you missed it, McCain won Wisconsin tonight, too.

Update 2: New Exit Poll Figures: The exit poll has been updated. Clinton now leads women 51%-48%, while Obama has expanded his advantage among men, 66%-32%. Quick math on the new numbers indicates Obama 55.7%--42.8% Clinton, or very little change.

Update: Obama Dominates Early Exit Poll: As Matt said below, the exit poll looks very good for Obama. He leads women by 2%, and men by 26%. Quick math from the first data indicates Obama 55.3%--42.4% Clinton, a very comfortable 13% victory. Of course, early exit polls always change when the final data is added in later.

UPDATE FROM MATT:  Jim Geraghty of NRO says the early data indicates a 60-40 blowout for Obama.  As always, bet your life savings on these results.

Chris Bowers :: Wisconsin Results Thread--Obama Wins

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Random question (0.00 / 0)
Have there ever been formal studies on the question of whether exit polls released before the day's actual voting finishes have any impact on final voting results?

Is such a study even really meaningfully possible?


the only sure way to do that (4.00 / 1)
would be to get actual vote counts in select precincts before the voting is finished. that would be difficult, and even ethically questionable, on a number of fronts.  

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there have been (0.00 / 0)
Arguments that the network call of fla in 2000 surpressed gop turnout in the panhandle which is on central time and as still voting. The evidence for this is all anecdotal.

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Sure, Matt! Now you tell us! (0.00 / 0)
I already put all my money on the ARG polls that showed Clinton ahead!

And...Obama wins? (0.00 / 0)
MSNBC calls it at 9:00 "too early to call". Exit polling heavily favors Obama, Olbermann says.  

I voted (4.00 / 5)
I took advantage of same day registration.  There was no way I could have voted otherwise. It should be this way in every state.

John McCain would love to send your kids to war.

I agree (4.00 / 3)
Same day registration everywhere. That should always be the standard.  

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Yo (4.00 / 4)
Hey Mr. Bowers,

Thanks for all your hard work this election cycle!  I had never come to Openleft before the last month or so, and stopped by on a friend's recommendation; I'll be a permanent reader and commentator from now on.

Kudos!


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Thanks (4.00 / 5)
It is good to know that working for 56 consecutive days has paid off. Your words make me feel very good. I admit, however, that right now I feel the need to pass out. I really wish that Hawaii wasn't tonight.  

[ Parent ]
Chris, Open Left is the shit. (4.00 / 5)
I came here on the day you opened it, never really been back to MyDD since.  And Open Left has far surpassed the work you all were doing back then at MyDD too, which is saying a lot.

At this point, this is home, the only site where I read everything on the front page and most of the comments.  (Well, ok, SwingStateProject too, but the volume is not comparable.)  I read TPM and the Kos front page also (and Agonist and Digby and Booman and Politico and Calitics... hmm...), but only after coming here first.

Again, Open Left is the shit.  Congratulations.  You should feel good.


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Word (0.00 / 0)
couldn't agree more!

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You guys are awesome (4.00 / 2)
  Seriously, Chris, Matt, Mike and the rest -- your work on all this is very, very much appreciated from this little corner of Frederick County, Maryland.

 And to top it off, Wisconsin has just become meaningless and insignificant! Huzzah!  

"We judge ourselves by our ideals; others by their actions. It is a great convenience." -- Howard Zinn


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Amen (0.00 / 0)
I may do a diary one of these days on just how fucking hard it is for college students to vote in Ohio.

I support John McCain because children are too healthy anyway.

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We voted it down (0.00 / 0)
We voted that down here in CA a few years back. But yes, it should be universal.

"Don't hate the media, become the media" -Jello Biafra

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How come? (0.00 / 0)
Speaking as someone who wasn't here in CA a few years back, I'm curious: What was the argument which ultimately defeated same day registration?

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From what I recall... (4.00 / 1)
...there was a lot of BS about how convicts and undocumented immigrants (etc) could vote or that people could vote twice. Mostly just fraud concerns used to cover the simple fact that increased access to polls tends to help Dems more than Reps.

This was in 2002 and it lost pretty badly. I was (and still am) in shock.

"Don't hate the media, become the media" -Jello Biafra


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Proposition 52 (0.00 / 0)
You are exactly right.  Lots of distortions about fraud from the same people that opposed giving out voter registration forms at the DMV when you get your license.  It lost 60-40.

The secretary of state has a link to the voter guides, which has the short text of the arguments pro & con.  You can find it here:

http://www.sos.ca.gov/election...


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BTW (0.00 / 0)
The weather okay by WI standards.  There was no wait at my polling place.

John McCain would love to send your kids to war.

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Exit Polls Updated... (0.00 / 0)
Obama expands lead among men, but loses women 51-48.

Still extrapolates to 55 or 56 for Obama


Thanks for the update! (0.00 / 0)
I have fixed the post to reflect.

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NBC (0.00 / 0)
Calls it for Obama!
w00t

How on earth... (0.00 / 0)
is MSNBC unable to call it solely based on the exit poll, but able to call it with 0% of the districts reporting?

I'm a bit confused.  I don't see how their statistics make sense...


Dopplex... (0.00 / 0)
I'd say one of two reasons (or combination of both) -

1.  They were waiting for updated exit polls, which came out about 9:15.

2.  There were key areas/precincts they were looking at which confirmed their exits and therefore they made the call.

Could be a combination of both.


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Chris thanks this is such a great site (0.00 / 0)
By the way Hillary is asking for money during her speech..Oye!

Clinton asking for money again (4.00 / 2)
Not only did she bring up her $5m loan and people's subsequent donations that followed in her concession... er, casual Tuesday night speech, but she also urged people to go to hillaryclinton.com to "read" her position on issues.

Oops, despite all the publicity, money must be tight.

Come on people, there are more than 400 superdelegates who need you to invest in them.


If she can do it (0.00 / 0)
So can I! :) See results post below :)

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Results Break Down (4.00 / 1)
Check here for more detailed stuff than you'll get from the national media.
http://www.greenbaypressgazett...

Got some spare change? Help out a fellow poster!

http://www.actblue.com/page/ko...


So who wants to wager a guess? (0.00 / 0)
Why doesn't Wisconsin matter? It's as big as Arizona and Tennessee. It's a primary. It's almost entirely white. It's not particularly wealthy. What is it?

It's the frozen tundra (0.00 / 0)
   And Hillary Clinton just doesn't do well in states with large cities that have French names like Eau Claire and Fond du Lac.

  So Wisconsin doesn't count, either.

  See? It's so easy...  

"We judge ourselves by our ideals; others by their actions. It is a great convenience." -- Howard Zinn


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The excuse is out (4.00 / 1)
  Andrea Mitchell was saying that the Clintons felt that they weren't going to win Wisconsin anyway because there were too many independents there.

 Because, of course, they don't matter in the general. I guess.

 What hath Mark Penn wrought?  

"We judge ourselves by our ideals; others by their actions. It is a great convenience." -- Howard Zinn


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What hath Mark Penn wrought? (0.00 / 0)
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Hey neighbor! (4.00 / 1)
It's an neighboring state of Illinois and a candidate should be expected to carry the states of his neighbors. What's that you say...Connecticut is next to New York? Oh, nevermind.

John McCain

Not to mention LA and MO, next to Arkansas (0.00 / 0)
But I'll wager dollars to donuts that Obama captures all the states bordering Hawaii!  

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A Clinton-Jesse Jackson comparison (0.00 / 0)
Thank you, that was very timely. Now if only people in the MSM would pick that up, or a journalist would ask Bill about the comparison... you would make my day :)

projected +10 delegate win for Obama (0.00 / 0)
I predicted a +15 Obama win (0.00 / 0)
so I'm pretty close. My slow-motion beatdown theory is looking pretty good. Forget NH, forget the polls, the default starting position for all contests from here out is a double-digit Obama win.  

Some of the (0.00 / 0)
more stongly Obama counties still have significant % to count.  This is looking rather solid.  This strong showing will impact the March 4 primaries. I think I can hear the fat lady singing.

We've seen this act before (0.00 / 1)
Obama is running the identical campaign that Deval Patrick ran in MA in 2006. Look at Patrick's poll numbers today--they're sinking fast.

The voters of MA bought the "change" meme then, and they've got buyer's remorse now. They have a governor who was all talk and no action. He hasn't passed any major legislation to support the promises he made the MA voters in 2006 and now he spends a lot of his time on the campaign trail with his buddy Barack.

You Obamapods can hope all you want, but I can't wait to see what happens in the GE [McCain will make mincemeat out of him when it comes to national security]. Remember in the GE, everybody is voting, not just latte liberals and cross over Republicans who became Democrats for a day. How many of those who voted in WI were Repugs encouraged by their local party to vote for Obama because McCain had it locked up??? They're doing the same thing in TX! How many Independents did the same in the various Dem primaries and caucuses??

Obama hasn't been tested in the MSM--they've loved him so far, but they adore McCain. They hate Hillary with a passion, so Obama was a convenient tool to wipe her out. They'll rip him apart because they don't need him anymore. Aren't you all a bit tired of the MSM destroying our better candidates [Gore, Kerry, etc.]???

Don't be too cocky, Obamapods. This election was robbed from the Dems by the Repugs and you all will be crying in the fall and we Hillaryites will be there to tell you [like the MA voters already have about Deval] WE TOLD YOU SO over, and over, and over again.


I PROMISE to listen to you rub my face in it OVER AND OVER AND OVER after the election, (0.00 / 0)
if you promise not to talk about it until then.

Deal?


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Your comparison (0.00 / 0)
Is a stretch at best.  Your emotional response is a little sad.  I assume that ultimately we are all on the same team and that come November you will become an Obamapod too. Or is it something different once you get on board.  Keep in mind that a lot of the people that you are insulting had supported other candidates until the field go reduced to two.  While I am only a recent Obama supporter myself, I see him as a great candidate.  It is certainly possible that he will not be able to deliver completely on his message of hope.  I don't think that anyone is really expecting Camelot.  But hyperbolic cynicism isn't going to improve his ability to deliver.  Sorry that your candidate is not likely to be the nominee.  I hope you can find your way over to the winning side with a positive attitude by November.

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What a hateful comment (0.00 / 0)
Take your insults somewhere else.  

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This point may be negative, but (4.00 / 1)
it should be taken very seriously.

The road ahead will not be easy. Watching Chris Matthews tear that TX state rep (Obama surrogate) to SHREDS tonight reminds that Barack needs to send out his "Accomplishments" bullet points out VERY VERY quickly.

Love him or hate him, Pat Buchannon had an eerily accurate prediction--they'll be throwing Michelle Obama's words back in her face (totally out of context).

Obama's organization had better be ready for worse than what the Clinton's have thrown at him so far.  Take NOTHING for granted.

z


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Wisconsin (0.00 / 0)
governer did the same thing.  I can't believe these people aren't ready for that question.  It needs to nailed down and soon.  They should have that answered and quickly.

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If you believe (0.00 / 0)
that depressed Repubs are going to go out and wait in line to vote for Obama, when it is about 5 degrees out, you are completely out of touch with reality.  That would mean that about 100,000 conspiracy minded GOP hacks in Wisconsin voted for Obama.  Get serious.  Go make excuses somewhere else.

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And we've all seen Hillary's Act Before (2.00 / 2)
I would rather take a chance with a legitimately honest but untested politician then see anything resembling a Clinton. Clinton sold out the working class repeatedly (NAFTA, health care, outsourcing, etc), has been a hawkish Neo-Conservative in foreign policy and universally understood as a cynical, personal assassin that will do anything and say anything for power. Her only "experience" with executive power was an epic failure (a sellout to the HMOs) as head of the health care commission.

Mike Moore was right, our morality should prohibit a vote for candidates that enthusiastically supported the war.  


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no ideological gap (0.00 / 0)

Also, there is once again basically no ideological gap, which I think partially expresses the frustration that some of us movement progressives have with the campaign so far.

It might not help movement progressives, but it helps the Democratic brand and the legitimacy of Obama's candidacy.

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