Nomination At A Glance, February 25th

by: Chris Bowers

Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 15:45


Here are the latest numbers, with all polls conducted entirely since the February 12th Potomac Primary:

Democratic Nomination At A Glance
State Date Polls Obama Clinton P. Delegates
P. Delegates Jun 7 38 1,194.5 1,032.5 3,253 / 3,566
Ohio Mar 04 7 41.4% 49.6% 141
Rhode Island Mar 04 2 39.0% 52.5% 21
Texas Mar 04 8 45.8% 47.5% 193
Vermont Mar 04 2 58.5% 33.5% 15
Wyoming Mar 08 0 -- -- 12
Mississippi Mar 11 0 -- -- 33
Iowa* Mar 15 0 -- -- 14
Pennsylvania April 22 2 34.0% 48.0% 158
Guam May 03 0 -- -- 4
Indiana May 06 0 -- -- 72
North Carolina May 06 3 45.7% 37.0% 115

* = The 14 Iowa delegates for Edwards might switch at the March 15 county caucuses.

The March 4th polling situation appears to be stabilizing. Obama is way ahead in Vermont, and will score an easy victory there. Clinton appears to have decent leads in Ohio and Rhode Island, the former of which is slowly shrinking while the latter remains stable. Texas is very close, but Obama will almost certainly win the delegate count there because 1/3 of the delegates are determined via caucus and because Clinton tends to be strongest in four-delegate districts that are very difficult to score a 3-1 edge. Toss in Wyoming and Mississippi in the week following March 4th, and it is hard to see how Clinton makes up any ground in pledged delegates between now and Pennsylvania.

I think commenters are correct when they write that the outcome of the popular vote in the Texas primary will play a big role in determining whether or not Clinton continues on to Pennsylvania. Bill Clinton indicated as much today when he said the following about the caucuses:

The doors open at 7 and they close at 7:15. It would be tragic if Hillary were to win this election in the daytime and somebody were to come in at night and take it away.

Clearly, the Clinton campaign is laying the groundwork to declare victory in Texas solely on the basis of the primary vote, not the caucus or delegate count. While I still think that Hillary Clinton will continue on to Pennsylvania as long as she wins Ohio, I grant it is possible she drops out if she loses the primary vote in Texas.

Also, make sure you vote in the Blue Majority endorsement poll, which finishes up at 6:00 p.m. eastern today.

Resources: Pledged Delegate Count, Popular Vote Counts, Democratic Convention Watch, Democratic Nomination Wiki, The Green Papers, Pollster.com

Chris Bowers :: Nomination At A Glance, February 25th

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2 new TX polls (4.00 / 1)
1 from CNN:
http://us.cnn.com/2008/POLITIC...

Obama 50%
Clinton 46%

and 1 from Rasmussen (2/24):
http://www.rasmussenreports.co...

Clinton 46%
Obama 45%


Didn't see the CNN poll (0.00 / 0)
Pollster.com had CNN numbers wrong. Anyway, there is a new Survey USa poll tonight, which should be interesting. Obama has led in three of the last six polls from Texas, and this one will be the tiebreakers.  

[ Parent ]
pollster.com is updated now (0.00 / 0)
but they didn't have the CNN numbers when you posted this.

And they still don't show the new Rasmussen numbers, either in the blog or the chart.


[ Parent ]
And one from Ohio (4.00 / 1)
Shows only a 4% Hillary margin.  See here.  It's from Public Policy Polling.

John McCain--He's not who you think he is.

Its already in the average (n/t) (0.00 / 0)


[ Parent ]
Despite the RI numbers (0.00 / 0)
I will stick by my original prediction of an Obama sweep. He's got too much going for him; the polls since 2/5 has consistently underestimated his performance; the numbers are moving in his favor; HRC can't win for losing.


A bit optimistic (0.00 / 0)
I think Obama can pull out a primary victory in Texas, and will be close in Ohio.  RI will probably go to Clinton, VT to Obama.

If Obama wins the primary vote in Texas, there really is no rationale for Hillary to keep going.


[ Parent ]
I'll admit (0.00 / 0)
that RI and OH continue to look okay to good for HRC. So on the surface it looks at least for now like probably HRC wins. I get that.

But I'm sticking with it anyway. These gaps will close.


[ Parent ]
Facts? (4.00 / 1)
Arianna Huffington just made this point on her blog, but it is so funny I had to pass it along.  

This is a quote from the Clinton Campaign website on delegates:  


FACT: Florida and Michigan should count, both in the interest of fundamental fairness and honoring the spirit of the Democrats' 50-state strategy.
 http://delegatehub.com/

So, it appears her campaign is now officially being run by a 10th grade social studies class.  

I understand that Hillary Clinton has been trying to make the case that words don't matter, but, using the word "fact" in a manner that strips it of its meaning is a step too far.  

John McCain hates children. Expose McCain!  


Hillary will not take this to Penn. (0.00 / 0)
Period.  I'm making the prediction right now.

The nomination will be too much of a long shot no matter what happens from here on out.  If she wants to run in 2012 or desires any sort of a senate leadership post during an Obama presidency, its what she has to do.  She's not stupid.  This is over on within one week after march 4.

The Politics of Bruno S.


Odd, but I've seen more calls for Clinton (0.00 / 0)
to drop out before the 4th than ever in the past few days.  If things are going so well for Obama, why?

I'm the biggest Obama Optimist (0.00 / 0)
there is around here (or one of the biggest) and I don't think she should drop out right now. We're only one week from TX and OH. We can afford to wait another week.

If she pulls out, say, three solid wins in RI, OH, and TX then she certainly deserves to keep going.

It is a virtual certainty that that won't happen; we'll find out soon enough. And in the meantime we get to watch HRC, Wolfson, and her that small but significant subsection of her Internet supporters flail about on a daily basis.


[ Parent ]
The bigger issue is that Clinton is wrong in the time (0.00 / 0)
The caucuses do NOT start at 7! They cannot even begin until 7:15 and if there are still people in line voting, they technically cannot start until after the last person has voted.

Even then, there is no "cutoff" time in Texas where "doors close" other than the moment in time during the caucus (after the chair and secretary have been elected and everyone has signed in that wants to) where the "roll is called" and set. But there is NO set time for that to happen anywhere in the rules. And certainly, it does NOT start at 7 and end at 7:15. That's an outright lie.  


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