Obama vs. McCain And Red-Blue Instability

by: Chris Bowers

Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 16:44


Perhaps the most remarkable characteristic of general election polling right now is how different polls show such widely varying results. Here are the seven most recent Obama vs. McCain national polls:

CBS / NYT: Obama 50%--38% McCain (2/20-2/24)
AP-Ipsos: Obama 51%--41% McCain (2/22-2/24)
Research 2000: Obama 50%--44% McCain (2/18-2/21)
Fox News: Obama 47%--43% McCain (2/19-2/20)
USA Today / Gallup: McCain 48%--47% Obama (2/21-2/24)
LA Times / Bloomberg: McCain 44%--42% Obama (2/21-2/25)
Rasmussen: McCain 46%--43% Obama (2/23-2/26)

While these polls contradict each other, none of them can be considered outliers since every poll is supported by at least one other poll: two polls show Obama up by double digits, two show him ahead by about half that amount, and three show McCain narrowly ahead. Part of this difference is probably due to methodology, but I don't think that can explain variances of this size. Instead, I think we are facing a far more unstable electorate than we did in 2004.

Obama appears to be headed to the nomination with the support of many of the same voters who backed Bradley in 2000 and Dean in 2004. McCain was also elected with a different base of support than the one that made Bush the Republican nominee in 2000. According to exit polls, Romney always outperformed McCain among Republicans who were either "enthusiastic" or "satisfied" with the Bush administration, while Huckabee cleaned up on the white evangelical / born again vote.  In other words, different coalitions were used to determine the nominee of both parties in 2008 as were used in 2004 and 2000. This year, both likely nominees relied more heavily on independents, cross-over voters, and a sort of "anti-establishment" coalition within their own parties to earn the nomination.

Almost inevitably, these new primary coalitions are thus far resulting in a more fluid, less stable general election than we saw in either 2000 or 2004. Both candidates have relied on significant cross-over appeal, and represent different wings of their respective parties, than we saw in the last two elections. In short, there is little precedent to know how the electorate will react to these candidates individually, and even less when they are matched up against one another. The widely varying national polls are a sign of this instability. Another sign of this instability is that Obama is polling equally well in Virginia and Oregon, polling better in Colorado than he is in Massachusetts, and even polling better in Kansas than he is in Florida (see more state polls here).

We could see some new swing states, and very different red vs. blue divides in 2008 than we have seen in recent elections. If primary voters were willing to choose different sorts of candidates than the ones both parties have recently nominated, this sort of fluidity and uncertainty comes with the territory. It also means that we should take nothing for granted, either or positive or negative, in this election. Assuming he is the nominee, maybe Obama can win Kansas and Virginia, and maybe he can lose Oregon and Massachusetts. This election could significantly realign the longstanding political divisions in this country, and while that creates uncertainty, it is also a reason to be excited. Instability always provides moments of tremendous political opportunity.

Chris Bowers :: Obama vs. McCain And Red-Blue Instability

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I don't feel comfortable enough yet for this... (0.00 / 0)
I know that everyone is saying that Obama has the nomination wrapped up, and as an Obama supporter and democrat I'd love to move the conversation from Obama vs. Clinton to Obama vs. McCain, but there is something that I find highly troubling.

Some conservatives, Rush Limbaugh in particular, have recently been urging republicans to vote for Hillary in Texas and Ohio to keep the democratic race from ending. And what I'm wondering is whether people like Limbaugh really have enough sway to get conservatives to vote for Hillary in a substantial enough amount to affect the primaries in Texas and Ohio. You guys on this site are the polling experts, so I'm asking you: do I have reason to be concerned about this? Limbaugh does have a big and loyal following, especially in Texas.  


Not really (0.00 / 0)
Whether or not it is having any impact, it would be picked up by polling in Texas.

But really, if Limbaugh had any control over how Republicans voted, then John McCain wouldn't have been the Republican nominee.  


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Which states? (0.00 / 0)
I agree.  Over the next week, Obama will be fighting both Hillary and McCain.  That's not going to be any fun, and it could be the difference in Ohio.  I sure hope that Hillary drops out even if she wins Ohio (and Obama wins TX) because 6 weeks of being pounded on by the Clinton's and McCain will hurt.

That said, I think that if he does win the Dem nomination that Obama will put some states into play that haven't been in play in a while.  Georgia, Virginia, MO, and NC come to mind.  On the other hand PA might become more difficult for the Dems.


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The battle in Ohio (0.00 / 0)
only helps Obama in the general election because wherever he spends time campaigning, he builds support and organization.

For that reason, I hope Hillary stays in for Pennsylvania even if she loses Ohio and Texas - because that will make Obama spend a few weeks building support and organization in PA.

And then I'd like to see Hillary and Obama go back to Florida and Michigan for primaries that count - but now I'm just dreaming...


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Maybe what this suggests (0.00 / 0)
is that the campaigns will actually matter this time. It seems reasonable to think that voter instability means that people are looking for ideas to latch onto, and that none of the candidates have yet grabbed them at that level. I agree -- this could be a genuinely exciting time if Obama (or Clinton if the earth shakes) takes the opportunity to sell us real change. I think he has the ability to do so. Whether that's what he truly wants to do remains to be seen.

Please Explain Polls showing McCain AHEAD all the time (0.00 / 0)
All the recent polls I've seen claim that McCain will trounce Hillary or Barak!

Yet these polls indicate that Dems are still in the running.

Can someone please explain!

PS Everything I've seen of Obama's enthusiastic support tells me that voters would come out of the woodwork to get him elected. (And I pray for his safety, given Secret Service ineptitude and the malevolence of the forces surrounding him and us.)


Exactly which polls are these? (0.00 / 0)
Tell me, which polls are these showing McCain "trouncing" Hillary or Barack?

http://www.realclearpolitics.c...

http://www.realclearpolitics.c...

Neither one of these indicate a "trouncing".


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they come out in droves (0.00 / 0)
It will be the youth vote against the seniors with the Hispanics splitting.  

Not with the Republicans' anti-immigrant vendetta (0.00 / 0)
Any hopes John McCain had of building Hispanic support has died in the rise of the anti-immigrant Tancredo wing of the Republican Party.

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New State Alignments (0.00 / 0)
I think you are right that we could see some new state alignments although I don't see MA leaving the Dem column in the end.  

However, Oregon is not nearly as liberal or Dem as people think.  Having lived in Oregon, Dems traditionally win Portland and Eugene while the South and Eastern parts of the state are Repub.  The Portland suburbs are generally the swing area and McCain might have appeal there.  Not sure right now but we'll see.


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