Why Right-Wing Attacks Are Becoming Effective In the Democratic Primary

by: Chris Bowers

Fri Mar 07, 2008 at 12:23


Hillary Clinton is attacking Barack Obama on national security in almost exactly the same way John McCain is attacking him, and it is causing real problems for Obama:

Still, there are a few flaws in Clinton's trial-by-smear method. The first is that her attacks on Obama are not a fair proxy for what he'd endure in the general election, because attacks are harder to refute when they come from within one's own party. Indeed, Clinton is saying almost exactly the same things about Obama that McCain is: He's inexperienced, lacking in substance, unequipped to handle foreign policy. As The Washington Monthly's Christina Larson has pointed out, in recent weeks the nightly newscasts have consisted of Clinton attacking Obama, McCain attacking Obama, and then Obama trying to defend himself and still get out his own message. If Obama's the nominee, he won't have a high-profile Democrat validating McCain's message every day.

It is difficult to shake an attack when both the most prominent Republicans and many of the most prominent Democrats are saying the same thing. It does not help when, according to a recent Pew survey, the most common word that comes to mind when people think of you is "inexperienced," and the most common word people think of when they hear Hillary Clinton's name is "experienced." In fact, "inexperienced," is the only negative word among the top ten for Obama, with charismatic, intelligent, change, inspirational, young, new enthusiastic and hope rounding out the top ten. The attacks Clinton is making about 3am and the "commander in chief threshold" are effective both because they exploit the only negative on Obama that has been established in conventional wisdom, and because they are attacks where Clinton and McCain can jointly "close the triangle" on Obama in the national media. Remember what Peter Daou, a senior staff member of Hillary Clinton's campaign, wrote about the creation of conventional wisdom two years ago:

Last September, I published an essay laying out what I saw as the scope of blog influence, with 'influence' defined as the capacity to alter or create conventional wisdom. I used a triangle construct to set out the relationship between the netroots, the media, and the political establishment: "Looking at the political landscape, one proposition seems unambiguous: blog power on both the right and left is a function of the relationship of the netroots to the media and the political establishment. Forming a triangle of blogs, media, and the political establishment is an essential step ... Simply put, without the participation of the media and the political establishment, the netroots alone cannot generate the critical mass necessary to alter or create conventional wisdom."

I concluded that "if the netroots alone can't change the political landscape without the participation of the media and Democratic establishment, then there's no point wasting precious online space blasting away at Republicans while the other sides of the triangle stand idly by."

The NSA scandal and the Alito confirmation hearings are just two more examples of the left's broken triangle and of the isolation of the progressive netroots. A flurry of activity among bloggers, online activists, and advocacy groups is met with ponderously inept strategizing by the Democratic leadership and relentless - and insidious - repetition by the media of pro-GOP narratives and soundbites. It's slow-motion-car-wreck painful, and most certainly NOT where the left's triangle should be a half decade into the new millennium, as the Bush-propping machine hums and whirrs, poll numbers rise and fall, Iraq bleeds, scandal dissolves into scandal, terror speech blends into terror speech. The landscape is there for everyone to see, to analyze. Enough time has elapsed to make the system transparent. It is dismaying for netroots activists to see the same mistakes repeated despite the benefit of hindsight.

The Clinton campaign has effectively formed a triangle against Obama on "inexperience" relating to national security with her campaign / supporters as one corner, the established media narrative of Obama's inexperience as a second corner, and Republicans / the McCain campaign as the third corner. It is an attack they developed in the final week heading into March 4th, when everything was on the line for their campaign, a loss in the Texas primary meant there was no tomorrow, and when pretty much all other attacks they attempted in 2008 had proven ineffective (and, in some cases, has actually backfired and helped Obama solidify his support among African-Americans and as the "change" candidate). It is also an attack that would not have worked while the Republican campaign was still shaking itself out, they were all still attacking each other, and there was no clear spokesperson for the Republican Party. I hate sports metaphors, but it was a desperation, hail mary pass, and it worked as her poll numbers have turned around in the last seven days.

It should be noted, however, that Barack Obama had done much of the same thing on Hillary Clinton in order to help establish his advantage in the campaign. Consider Barack Obama on Hillary Clinton and partisanship (more in the extended entry):

Chris Bowers :: Why Right-Wing Attacks Are Becoming Effective In the Democratic Primary
Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama said Thursday he would be more willing than Hillary Rodham Clinton to work with Republicans.

"Her natural inclination is to draw a picture of Republicans as people who need to be crushed and defeated," Obama said during a telephone interview from Texas with the Cincinnati Enquirer editorial board. "It's not entirely her fault. She's been the target of some unfair attacks in the past."

"I'm not a person who believes any one party has a monopoly on wisdom," Obama said.

Remember Barack Obama going all "crisis" on us over Social Security, or getting all "Harry and Louise" on health care? Obama has played into well-established, right-wing narratives himself, such as the preposterous notion that Hillary Clinton is a hard-left, ultra-partisan instead of what she actually is, a centrist Democrat closely allied with the Republican-friendly-DLC. Obama has portrayed himself as the new alternative to the "partisan wars" or the 90's and our own decade, and at times laid the blame for the partisan attacks the Clintons suffered in the 1990's at their own feet. His rise to frontrunner status involved an effective right-wing attack against the Clinton's that also closed the triangle of conventional wisdom against her, and helped him build up enormous advantages among non-Democratic self-identifiers during the nomination campaign.

The sad truth is that whichever campaign has been willing to engage in right-wing attacks that feed conventional wisdom on the candidates and the close the triangle against Democrats has been the most effective attacker at any given moment during the nomination campaign. Both campaigns are now criticizing the other of engaging in right-wing attacks, and the truth is that both campaigns are right about this. Part of the problem, I think, is that the nomination campaign has been generally lacking in significant policy and ideological differences, leaving personalities and their photo-negative, the character-based attacks that Republicans love ("inexperienced," or "a cold, bitter partisan,") at the center of the campaign. Even Clinton's national security attack is ideology-free, given that she cites John McCain as experienced, but Obama as not.

Right-wing character attacks against Obama and Clinton have become central to the Democratic nomination campaign because they work, and because few issue and ideological differences separate the two candidates. While we should expect Obama to not attack Clinton as a heartless, calculating partisan, and while we should expect Clinton to not attack Obama as an inexperienced neophytes who can't measure up to the awesome national security experience of Republicans, when making those attacks can move you closer to the Democratic nomination I'm not really sure what else to expect from the campaigns. No one's hands are clean on this front, and mainly it is a tragedy that as Democrats we are buying into these attacks.  


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so what (0.00 / 0)
It seems perfectly reasonable to me for Clinton to attack Obama's experience. His resume is pretty thin for a Presidential candidate. But hers isn't much better. She has 7 years in the Senate with no prior elective offices. He has 3 years in the Senate with many years in the Illinois state senate previously. Not much difference really. He responds to the concern with perfectly appropriate remarks that Cheney and Rumsfield had tons of experience and look where it got us and that it's not about how long you've been in Washington but what judgment you've shown while there on issues like voting for the AUMF. Now comparing him unfavorably to McCain is certainly wildly inappropriate for anybody other than Joe Lieberman (and look where that kind of talk got him).

I'm not sure why he decided to make an issue of Social Security but at least his solution (raising the payroll tax cap) is perfectly progressive. The best I can figure is he is trying to appeal to young voters who cynically believe Social Security won't be there when they retire. I would have preferred he instead try to educate them on the falseness of the SS crisis, but his policy remedy is not objectionable.


You Are Right, Sorta (4.00 / 1)
The right wing smear attacks Obama fired off on Hillary Clinton after he lost New Hampshire did work really well.
He did a really good job of reopening all of the character attacks the right used against the Clintons.
But this didn't bother you for some reason.

Yeah, it didn't bother us (0.00 / 0)
Yeah, it didn't bother us, which is why I linked to no less than eight Open Left posts in this dairy showing that it bothered us.

Your concerns are if bloggers are being fair and balanced in the primary, more speciifcally if they are slighting your candidate, Hillary Clinton. We don't care about that here, as we are movement focused. There are many other sites where you can accuse bloggers of not being fair to Clinton. Go find them.  


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This is a fairer Clinton critique (0.00 / 0)
This is a fairer Clinton critique than usual for you because in it you finally admit that for being such a movement-based candidate, Obama had been employing right-wing smear tactics all along, for example saying that the Clintons were very divisive and were single-handedly responsible for Democratic losses in the 90s. But the question is: are you decrying these tactics because they hurt the "movement", or are you simply highlighting them as deplorable at this point because they finally worked against your candidate?

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Those attacks on Clinton were not "right-wing smears" (0.00 / 0)
they are opinions deeply held by many in the Democratic party and the progressive movement. Saying that ANY attack on Hillary is beyond the pale, unfair or "right-wing" (even if it is something a Republican might have used against the Clintons in the past) is, frankly, retarded.

the reason some people are up in arms about the 3am ads is not because Clinton is attacking Obamas experience. That is within bounds, and while some Obama supporters would angrily disagree with them, the criticisms and lines of attack are fair. the reason people are comparing the tactics to "swift-boating" and "right-wing smear tactics" is because she uses FEAR, seemingly of a terrorist threat, to hammer home her point. THAT and the subtle use of race her campaign has used are truly Rovian tactics.

When Hillary and her supporters accuse Obama of Rove-like tactics for slightly misrepresenting her positions it is a JOKE. Her campaign is aggressive, which is fine. Call Obama Ken Starr, heck, even say he uses Karl Rove tactics. All fine in hardball politics. But don't scare people witless using terrorism or appeal to people's base racial fears. That is where the line was crossed.


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Sigh (0.00 / 0)
"Saying that ANY attack on Hillary is beyond the pale, unfair or "right-wing" (even if it is something a Republican might have used against the Clintons in the past) is, frankly, retarded."

Hey, nice language, guy.  Thanks.

Could you please give us a few citations of people who've said "any attack on Hillary is beyond the pale"?

Thank you.

And when you're through with that, could you please outline for us which attacks on Obama you consider to be legitimate?

Again, thank you for your consideration.


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losses in the 90's (0.00 / 0)
The Clintons bear an enormous amount of responsibility for Dem losses in the 90's. By embracing neo-liberal economic policies like NAFTA, becoming the party of big corporate donors, completely neglecting the grassroots and party organizing, they really did a lot to destroy the Democratic brand and enfeeble grassroots infrastructure.

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Actually (4.00 / 1)
This has been a recurring criticism of Obama by Chris and Matt for a long long time.

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what about a new triangle (0.00 / 0)
with Clinton on one corner McCain on another working in concert to rip apart the Democratic party.  This is building up as a war between the DLC establishment vs the people powered movement.  We know that the Clinton's have it in for Dean at the DNC, they could give a flying fuck about the 50 state strategy and with the DNC short of money, Clinton isn't looking at all to the DNC for help at the convention or in the fall.

Losing the framing war. (0.00 / 0)
How can we win the long term war on framing while our candidates are focused on winning the immediate battles using Republican narratives?   Are non-presidential campaigns better opportunities for introducing our framing and using our language?

John McCain thinks we haven't spent enough time in Iraq

Uncertainty and Fear (0.00 / 0)
Although there may be something to the "triangle effect" as an amplifier, the simpler explanation may be emotional insecurity.

Emotional appeals move the votes, especially among late deciders, low information voters. Fear is one of the most powerful emotions. Humans are hard wired to connect uncertainty with fear. Fear of the unknown is powerful.

Fear the unknown is the common theme across all of the following:
1) He needs to be "vetted" by a press that has been soft on him.
2) Rezko.
3) No track record in foreign policy, did not hold hearings.
4) Map changing electoral strategy versus comfortable, tired and true blue states.
5) "As far as I know" he is not a Muslim.

The "kitchen sink" strategy sows doubt and mental chaos. It's a strategy that's relatively impervious to charges of inconsistency or hypocrisy, too.


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The frustrating solution (4.00 / 1)
What frustrates me most about this situation is that I feel like it could be mostly avoided if the candidates would just get up the courage to hold some different issue and ideological positions.  It's like they sat down together to agree on what positions were going to be fashionable for the new fall line and decided they'd both carry those, limiting the scope of competition to the emotional associations people have with the messengers.  It's very similar to the world of commercial marketing, where all the fashion houses decide what kind of sweater is going to be in this season and restrict the scope of competition to who creates the right emotional associations with their brand via in-store music, ads, etc.

It's a version of the prisoner's dilemma situation, where neither campaign wants to risk defecting for the small possibility of greater reward or the greater possibility of failure.  Which is too bad, because if one campaign just decided to skip the cardigan-vs.-turtleneck discussion and start talking about blazers, they'd have something real to debate.  But avoiding real debate seems to be part of the plan.

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What a comparison?? (0.00 / 0)
Frankly this is comparing apples and oranges -

How can you compare questioning Hilary's character, which is old news and something we absolutely & positively know the Repubs will do, with saying Obama isn't fit to be President and she is because she slept in the White House and voted for the War?

I'm just praying Obama turns on the sewer and spays Hillary down with anything and everything he can -

Lets face it - its already over.  The moment Hillary gets the nomination the Repubs will soak her down with everything they have and her numbers will sink like a rock.  She won't just loose but will loose badly and trash the House and the Senate races at the same time.  Every nut case in the country is gonna come out and pull the big Republican lever.  

At least with Obama if we loose at least there won't be the collateral damage.

For me as a Dem I'm just getting use to the fact that McCain will be the next President and we can start over again as a Party hopefully sans the filth that is know as the Clintons.


Great Analysis (0.00 / 0)
This shows how the system really works to keep progressive voices out: the mainstream media ignores or ridicules progressive Democrats so they can never get enough support to win primaries. Then the media uses this lack of support to ignore and ridicule them until they drop out. Then the centrist survivors use right-wing arguments to attack each other. And we end up with either a right-wing Republican or centrist Democratic President and Congress.

The only solution I see to this problem is for us to build a larger progressive movement that can effectively challenge and reign in the mainstream media and that can carry progressive Democrats into power. The victories of Senators Bernie Sander and Sherrod Brown and Congresswoman Carol Shea-Porter in 2006 and the victory of soon-to-be Congresswoman Donna Edwards shows what we can do, but we need to do it much, much larger, better, and stronger.

Thanks for this analysis and for the work of Open Left in helping to bolster the progressive movement.


It's not key to your larger point, (0.00 / 0)
but just for the record, Bernie Sanders's victory in Vermont had nothing to do with progressive movement-building.  He's been our congressman since back when the state usually voted Republican and he's done a terrific job of listening to and tirelessly advocating for small farmers, etc.  He was also blessed with a smug Romney-like businessman Republican opponent who tried to trash him with negative ads, a big no-no here, and maybe worse, trashed up the countryside, which Vermonters are fiercely protective of, with the ugliest yard signs in the history of the universe.

I daresay if most Vermonters outside what we laughingly call the "cities" got into the weeds of his ideology, they wouldn't agree with a lot of it.  But they figure his beliefs are his business and they don't matter much in the long run.

We have our priorities pretty straight here-- cows and our landscape.

Bush and his right-wing religious allies in Congress have totally destroyed the Republican brand name in this state when it comes to national offices for a least a generation.


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Shifting the frame of the debate (4.00 / 2)
Someone recently made the analogy to a Supreme Court confirmation, which I believe is very apt. Many Senators gave John Roberts and Sam Alito a free pass because they had "experience": went to prestigious law schools, served as lower court judges, etc.

All that experience doesn't keep them from making horrible decisions. Ditto McCain on foreign policy from being the Iraq War's biggest cheerleader to "Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran."

Hillary, meanwhile makes horrible decisions too: Iraq War Resolution, Kyle-Lieberman, etc. And her claim of foreign policy "experience" is a classic case of resume padding.

Obama' LIFE experience led him to the right call on Iraq even as Hillary was voting the wrong way while never reading the NIE that was available to her.

So who do you want answering that phone at 3AM? The man with the itchy trigger finger? The woman who makes what she thinks it the politically convenient choice without reading all the evidence and without regard to the horrendous human consequences? Or the man who has the wisdom to think through the consequences and call it exactly right -- he didn't just oppose the Iraq war in his 2002 speech: he predicted correctly exactly how it would pan out.

This is the case Obama needs to make NOW!

Howard Dean in 2016


He has been making that case (4.00 / 1)
Jim, that is exactly the case he has been making over and over again in every debate and speech.  The problem is that it is a case that you or I and everyone else who opposed the war from the beginning could make for ourselves, and trust me, no one wants me answering that phone.  He needs to add more to the argument.  I'm sure he has it, but he needs to say it as often as he says 'I told you so'. In my opinion one of the reasons he lost ground last week was because in his little back and forth with McCain he did not come up with anything new.

He has been very convincing in the debates when he expounds more on what he means by the "mindset that led us into war".  I wish he would talk about that more often to wide audiences.  Maybe he does it on the stump, but we don't see that.


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"Mindset" is a good frame (0.00 / 0)
I agree that he needs to expand on that.

Perhaps he should stress that it's important to know when NOT to use force or a belligerant negotiating stance, instead of this administration's one size fits all foreign policy which McCain endorses and Clinton at least seems to go along with at every turn....

No one doubts that the U.S. has a "big stick" it is willing to use when necessary (and unfortunately when NOT necessary). It's the "Speak softly" part of Teddy Roosevelt's aphorism -- the part that comes first -- that those who think age and alleged "experience" are a substitute for good judgment seem to always forget.

Howard Dean in 2016


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I think it's important to remember (0.00 / 0)
how this all looks to the regular voter.  They don't see HRC as particularly war-like, so suggestions that she is just don't have a lot of credibility.  Blogosphere progressives can't forgive her for the AUMF vote, but it doesn't loom large to most Dem. voters.  They blame Bush for hornswoggling them and Congress on the war.

As for experience, you're way too eager to denigrate everything about her or you would admit that working side by side with a very talky and wonkish and personally dependent president of the United States for eight years is the best learning experience on foreign policy-- or any other aspect of being president-- you can possibly have short of being president of some other major superpower for a few years first.


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"Regular" Americans do see that she's (4.00 / 1)
obsessed with proving how "tough" she is, which led to the votes on Iraq and Iran.

If the last 8 years have tought us ANYTHING, it's that the personal need to appear "tough" is actually a sign of weakness and insecurity that our enemies can exploit.

Howard Dean in 2016


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Why Right-Wing Attacks Are Becoming Effective In the Democratic Primary (4.00 / 1)
Indeed, McCain and Clinton have joined to attack Obama on the issue of the war and experience. But let us be clear, this is not about experience; experience is the bate and switch. Clinton has no more foreign policy experience than Obama and  if she, by whatever machinations, becomes the nominee she will be crucified on this issue.

What her shameful McCain pandering is all about, is a not to subtle announcement to the powers that be that she is a neocon and as president will maintain a neocon foreign policy. This is the major difference between Clinton and Obama in my opinion.Fear mongering works beautifully for Clinton because her policy is to strike indiscriminately at the Arab world--keep Iraq going, threaten Iran (Persians in this case), keep the fiasco in Afghanistan afloat. While Obama's policy is one directed explicitly against Al Queda--root them out in Pakistan, increase intelligence efforts, increase our military efforts in Afghanistan. This strategy in the end makes us safer, in two ways: we actually go after the groups who plan to do us harm, as opposed to terrorizing random Arabs as we do in Iraq. We also scale back the gazillion dollar cost of this neocon lunacy. Oh we may even be able to put some money towards repairing our wretched infrastructure!!!

But Obama cannot bluster, as Clinton does about, 'keeping your fine white children safe from the brown hoards'. Why? because his foreign policy is measured and sensible, he is clearly not willing to bomb the Near Eastern world in preemptive strikes to quell the fears of American paranoids. For this reason he sponsored the bill against the  use of cluster bombs in civilian areas, while Clinton knowing full well her election strategy would be the DLC neocon "show of muscle" voted against it.

As a progressive I cannot support Clinton. Her reign will be bellicose and will not allow for the return of civil liberties. Moreover, after such an atrociously divisive campaign she will have no coattails to speak of which means all of the pie-in the sky "I fight for the little people talk" which informs her domestic policy, is moot. She will have no mandate, nor support to enact even the most trivial reforms regarding health care, wages or anything for that matter. Yes, Clinton is a fighter, she fights tooth and nail against other democrats and she clearly loaths the progressive wing of the party.  


Thank you - (0.00 / 0)
Thanks for the thoughts - what's happening is amazing.  The Clintons are doing everything they can to turn off all Obama's new voters.  I honestly don't know what has gotten hold of their heads save a lust for blood and power.  Do they really think they can put the Democratic Party back together again after all they have done.  

I especially agree with you point about the damage that is being down "down ticket" to the Democratic Party. Right now Hillary is energizing every wing nut in the country and when they vote not only will she loose but the number of House and Senate seats that are gonna fall will be astonishing.

I know I will never vote for her - my case of Clinton fatigue is off the charts.  The question now is how we save the Democratic Party from the Clintons and the DLC that so loves her.  Is it better to be come a Democrat for McCain or just not vote for President?


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What we are seeing now (0.00 / 0)
Is what we would have seen in 2004 had Dean won Iowa and New Hampshire. The DLC types dodged the bullet then. This time the writing is on the wall for them (even though Obama is not nearly as outspoken as Dean). They know it and are fighting back every way they know how. Whatever reservations progressives have about Obama, we NEED to have his back now and help him in every way we can. If we succeed, Barack will not forget who was with him and who was against him at this crucial juncture.

Howard Dean in 2016

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Save the Party (0.00 / 0)
I have to say I am a bit optimistic. What the DLC fails to realize is that many people, ordinary folks, now see the war, the awful economy and government corruption as one sordid unified set of events. They want change, they want their family members in the military and national guard home, they want better wages, they want better schools. They are tired of being overworked and underpaid. They also don't want a boss or commander in chief who thinks they know what's best for them "the proverbial" Tina Fey "bitch remark. I spoke with a women yesterday at a Pizza parlor who told me "Look, my boss, my mother-in-law" they're bitches--I'm sick of bitches frankly." That put things in perspective. The DLC is all about a show of power--but generally that show is against those weaker than them--"the little people" who they think they can buy off with promises of reforms they have no intention of bringing about.

Obama is no miracle worker; he's a politician but he has made an effort to remove himself from the DLC posturing and has presented some rather solid domestic and foreign policy solutions. That's enough for me.  And lastly, because his campaign has stressed a participatory approach, it has appealed to the many Americans who feel suspicious and disenfranchised by the current political scene. That is only a good thing. Clinton's turn to the negative and away from the issues will serve only two narrow ends, a bullied nomination or a completely demoralized Party. But I think if Obama pulls this through, more people will get on board. He is winning by the rules and at the end of the day that counts for something. It demonstrates more than just hard work but again an ethical commitment. Rancor aside, most folks I speak to Clinton and Obama supporters alike are sick of the way things are.  


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Yes, it's too bad (4.00 / 1)
She should have just lain down and quit the race with abject humility the moment he got in.  The NERVE of that woman actually fighting a campaign against someone so patently wonderful!

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Fighters for and fighters against (4.00 / 2)
I'm a women and respect and adore a fighter. I personally harbor nothing against Clinton--the DLC are another matter. However, I want someone who is willing to fight against the powerful in a principled and strong fashion. Not someone who fights for their own personal interests and power, simply to demonstrate that they are powerful and I weakling should hang with them.

That is the DLC way, which sadly Clinton, a fine woman is comfortable with. This is why her love-fest with McCain is all the more troubling. It is unnecessary, save a shameful display of "look I'm a hawk too". Women do not have to adopt the same mores off excessive power as right-wing men to get by, neither do men for that matter. There are many ways of being powerful, becoming Margaret Thatcher is not one of them. She get's no "you go girl" from me. I am not suggesting that she lie down and give up. I am saying play by the rules and at least act like a democrat for God sake.  


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It depends on your perspective (0.00 / 0)
From my perspective, a neophyte senator who's never even won an election against serious opposition decides he desrves to be president for some reason, runs a campaign that almost exclusively relies on his own wonderfulness as an inspirational figure who can play nice with Republicans, and when NH interferes with his elevation to the office he believes he should be entitled to by acclamation, immediately turns around and has great success with the worst example of the "politics of personal destruction" I've ever seen from a Democrat, a concerted campaign to slime Clinton, her husband and her voters as racists and race-baiters.

That, to me, is the very epitome of what you cite as "someone who fights for their own personal interests and power."

The double standards here are really quite breath-taking.  I'm not even a particularly strong Hillary Clinton supporter, but I object vehemently to the outrageous demonization of her, particularly from a camp that indulges in campaign tactics I believe are truly shameful while simultaneously holding itself out to be virtuous and transformational.  Yech.


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Sturm u Drang (0.00 / 0)
I'm not sure if you have Clinton in mind in your spirited defense, but perhaps some far more experienced woman in politics.

As to: "From my perspective, a neophyte senator who's never even won an election against serious opposition"

From my years in NYC, if I remember Clinton ran a pretty much unopposed election against the Rudy replacement. People liked her, but name recognition had a lot to do with it as well. She ran a good campaign, but it was a cakewalk. She is no Barbara Boxer, or Nancy Pelosi, two women with extraordinary resumes. She was the First Lady, which gave her proximity, but NO REAL foreign policy experience. Mind you none of the candidates, McCain included, have real foreign policy experience--if you mean the 3AM type.

And as for campaign tactics, well there is no need to rehash the obvious. Clinton's own strategists have been quite open about the need to 'go negative'. Of course Obama is not sweetness and light, but his campaign has to date been better disciplined. He went after her hard on Nafta and "mandates", that was tough, but it was also policy related. I didn't agree with the healthcare meme he was slinging, but I personally thought he was spot-on with Nafta. He did not attack her character. Yes, the Clinton campaign pulled out Robert "Obama did drugs in hood" Johnson. Which, whether one likes it or not did offend many African-Americans. That was unnecessary. That is not a smear on Hillary Clinton, it is however an indication of her campaign tactics.

Look if you want a strong women in office, more power to you, but to quote your candidate" be real". Clinton is no poor victim, nor is she some grand dame of political experience. She is a perfectly fine politician who has up until recently run a not so well organized campaign and who is now pulling out all the stops to secure the nomination although for all intents and purposes--that is by the delegate count--is beyond her. Whether you like Obama or not he has worked hard and has won contests, so has Clinton, not as many however. And in the end that's what counts.  Neither has a patent on hardwork, ambition or drive. They both will fight to the end. Despite your pro-woman stance, you've set Clinton up as some poor suffering maiden, who is being dashed by the mean ole ingenue Obama. Really, Clinton is tough, in my opinion in the wrong way, but she'll defend herself and her ambitions just fine. It may mean the destruction of Democratic party for 08, but only time will tell.


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You'd gain (0.00 / 0)
more points, potentially, if you would respond to what was actually said and not make up your own straw man arguments to bat down.

My goodness.  "Suffering maiden" indeed.



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Great post, Chris (4.00 / 2)
This is far and away the most complete and fair-minded comparison I've read of the two Democratic campaigns' use of Republican-friendly frames in attacking each other.

Short Term Win, Long Term Loss (4.00 / 1)
I actually think this whole national security tempest in a teapot will benefit Obama in the long run.  I know people who voted for Clinton here in California who are totally disgusted with her since the red phone ad and wish they had their vote back.   By placing herself next to McCain, she allows Obama to draw a clear contrast between the past and the future.  Obama just has to find a way to delineate the distinction.  I have to say one thing for her campaign, though.  It cuts its cloth to the electorate in each state.  In peace loving Iowa she was peacenik Hillary.  In Texas, home of Vietnam War President Johnson and Iraq War President Bush, she was "I'll be there to answer the call in the middle of the night Hillary."  She covers all the bases, and when it comes to fudging her positions, she does it with élan.  Nevertheless, on issues of war and peace, I think her latest incarnation brings forth the uncomfortable feelings many of us have had about her from the beginning of the campaign, and that is that she is so locked into an outmoded national security mindset that she won't be able to lead the country out of the hole our fearless leaders (she being one of them) have put us in.

It is the job of thinking people not to be on the side of the executioners -- Albert Camus


Healthcare helped her in Ohio (4.00 / 1)
Those 16 minutes on healthcare in the debate and her anger at the Harry and Louise mailers brought back voters to her that had not been there in Wis and Va.  

That ATTACK WAS FROM THE LEFT....HER POSITION ON HEALTHCARE AND HER POSITION ON MOST OTHER ECONOMIC ISSUES ARE UNIFORMLY TO THE LEFT OF BARACK OBAMA......she is winning from the left.

Given her actual policy positions and the degree to which she will fight for them ( go back to Matt Stoller's post on how much he loves her economic views as she expressed them in a leftist, populist manner in a NY times article) I have long been surprised that so many leftist progressive blogs decided to support the less progressive candidate.  The candidate closer to the ideology of the DLC in this race is him not her.

If Elected ...
For Clinton, Government as Economic Prod

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01...

"Incrementalism isn't a different path to the same place, it could be a different path to a different place"
Stoller


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