Turning Rs into Ds

by: Matt Stoller

Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 10:56


One of the most difficult parts of dealing with Obama is his conflation of Republicans with Republican leaders.  Reagan split Democrats by dissing Democratic and labor leaders and encouraging white male Democrats to vote for Republicans.  It worked; while he didn't insult Democratic voters, he constantly disparaged Democratic leaders.  It was and is a good strategy.  After all, reversing the Reagan model, if you can convince Republican voters to vote for progressives, why not do so?  

This is the essence of transformational leadership, changing people's minds about their political values.  Obama does not do this, and I'm not going to constantly rehash his praise of Republican politicians and his adoption of conservative conventional wisdom; we've done that enough.  The gist of the problem is that Republican leaders are by and large bad faith operators, but Republican voters are not necessarily so.  Obama conflates appealing to Republican voters with working with Republican leaders in Washington.

That, however, is a different problem than the overall goal of turning more Republicans and Independents into progressive Democrats.  In an argument about Chris Bowers's discussion of the Philly suburbs, Jerome Armstrong argues the following.

And its certainly, for anyone who's cared to look at who is voting, not due to partisan Democratic support that Obama has done so well. If anything, it's in spite of hardcore Democrats, that Obama has won, through inclusive organizing of Republicans and Independents. Sure, this is a good thing in the long run, but lets be honest and agree that its not representative of the type of progressive partisanship that places like DailyKos and MyDD, and the rest of the progressive blogosphere, have been proponents.

I don't get this.  Partisanship is a strategy for social change.  Why wouldn't a political party want more adherents?  Jerome points to Chris's discussion of Reagan Democrats, and the futility of chasing them as a voting block, and argues this is inconsistent with his points about the Obama coalition.  While I think Clinton's activation of the Latino base is very significant and under-emphasized in Chris's analysis, I don't get Jerome's point.  Chris is arguing something very simple: old white racist men are not going to be a good part of a progressive coalition.  He is not saying that current independents and Republicans in suburbs that are rapidly becoming part of a larger creative metropolitan economy aren't part of that coalition.  And I frankly find it very hard to imagine that lots of old racist men are going to vote for Obama anyway.

Both the Obama and the Clinton coalitions offer some very real advantages to progressives.  Don't deny Obama's real appeal to the largest generation in American history or the creative class in urban an suburban areas, and don't deny Clinton's appeal to Latino's, the largest and fastest growing minority group in the country, or women.  And in all likelihood, both of these groups are going to go for the eventual nominee anyway.

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By largest generation... (0.00 / 0)
...do you mean millenials? Simply put, Clinton may win that demographic in a general election - but she will do so in far smaller numbers than Obama would. I'm not sure why this fact is ignored, but Hillary Clinton is probably the most unpopular politician (nationally) amongst my generation after Bush and Cheney.

Re: (4.00 / 1)
this is a great point.  Us millennials weren't in the workforce during the "booming" 90's economy, so we don't have any fiscal attachment to the Clinton's.  Without that connection, we're only left with a lot of milktose-triangulating-DLC legislation.

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That's a strong claim (0.00 / 0)
Worse than Santorum?  Or Tom Delay?  Or Gingrich?  Or HW Bush?

I'm not sure the levels of revulsion these guys get is really comparable to Hillary.


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Yes, I would say so (0.00 / 0)
I think Facebook can be used as a good approximation of politician popularity. As such, see the following statistics below:

Remember that 'One Million Strong for Barack Obama' group? It has roughly 495,000 people in it. A similarly-themed 'One Million Strong Against Hillary Clinton' group? More than 920,000 people.

Secondly, the ABC-sponsored Politics Election 2008 application had a poll a couple of months back about who people thought would be a good/bad president. Hillary Clinton finished second in those who thought she would be very bad (45%), with an overall total 'bad' rating of over 60%. Her 'very bad' rating was second only to Mike Huckabee, who probably scored badly because of his religious fundamentalism.

Simply put, a great deal of young people do not like Hillary Clinton at all. If she's the nominee, you can expect youth turnout to reverse course and decrease this year relative to the past couple of elections.


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Definitely true. (4.00 / 1)
Old racist types wouldn't vote for Obama anyway. But I've seen some non-racist Reagan Dems here in Illinois swing to him (though they'd never vote for Clinton).

What gets me about this constant harping about Obama's framing is that it's abundently clear that white folks have no clue about the different rules us black folks operate under. We can't be all "power to the people!" or we get marginalized very quickly. Hell we even get blamed for things other black folks do while white folks are all individuals...

Obama is constantly pushing up against that line as it is.

Even now I read about white folks who say that he'll only do things for black people if elected. There is every reason to believe that he will be the most progressive of the two dems.

Progressives have allowed this country to be pushed so far to the right that there's no way that a an aggressively progressive could get elected even of most of the country agrees with his or her positions.

Obama has been willing to work with the GOP on things such as nukes and ethics but I can't imagine people really disagree with those things do they?


Two Different Things (0.00 / 0)
It's certainly true--and under-emphasized here, as well as elsewhere--that Obama, as a black politician, operates under different rules, different constraints.

For example, Obama could not have done what Edwards did, kicking off his campaign in the 9th Ward of New Orleans, without instantly marginalizing himself.  I get that.  It makes me mad as hell, but I get it.  And that's just one, easy-to-grasp example.  At some level, virtually every word he says is subject to that same matrix of constraints.

But the point Matt's making--that Chris has made and that I have made before--is independent of that.  Yes, there are some ways of criticizing Republican leaders that are foreclosed to Obama because he is black, but the basic concept of criiticizing Republican leaders is not.  And since no one doubts that Obama is a very smart man, he could surely figure out a way to do this.

It's not an impossibility.  It's a choice on his part.  And it's a bad one.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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I suppose I agree to a certain extent, but... (4.00 / 1)
Don't you guys ever get the sense that you're continuing to fight battles that you have already long since won?

We seized control of Congress due in large part to the collapse of the GOP under Bush, but also because increased partisanship allowed the Democrats to take credit as a viable alternative.  There is now a clear ideological alternative.  Obama doesn't need to reinvent this wheel.  It's already operative and independent of him.

Have you considered what might be a next step beyond the left wing counter-attack--to keep with your recent Gramsian theoretical framework?

I would argue the next move is to seize a hegemonic position, which according to Gramsie isn't about partisan ID.  It's about setting the agenda and debate terms.  Of course you'll point back to "Obama reinforced GOP talking points" accusation, but could it also be seen as assuming hegemonic control of their own messaging in support of our hegemonic objectives?  

At a certain point, thinking through Gramsie becomes so abstract as to be virtually meaningless.  Nevertheless, I think its important to consider what is the next step, and if continuing a political strategy which was created to oppose hegemony still works when one is trying to assume hegemony.  It seems almost Leninist at this point, to me. Or have I become objectively counter-revolutionary? :)

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The Mid-Term Election Created An Opening, Nothing More (2.67 / 3)
And seeing how badly the Dems have failed to capitalize on it, I don't find it realistic to assume that "There is now a clear ideological alternative."  And Obama only makes it worse by actively blurring things.

I'm not saying he's terrible.  I'm saying he could be significantly better.

From where I sit, in Gramscian terms very little has changed.  The Versailles press is still taking its cues from Drudge.  Their negative takes on McCain have to do with his temper, not any of the recent revelations of his religious or financial pandering.

When Amy Goodman is added to the on-air correspondents staff of 60 Minutes, well, then I'll say that something fundamental has changed in a Gramscian perspective.  But for now, not so much.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Far enough (0.00 / 0)
though I think some of his rhetoric does intend to link the GOPers with the failure that is Bush but it's more high level criticism of the entire party (which could be applied to some of the Bush Dogs as well) than it is a frontal attack against any specific GOPer (other than John McCain).


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Yes, But Just Look At How Vague And Tentative Your Own Statement Is (0.00 / 0)
It should be a piece of cake, for exmple, to say, "When it comes to protecting children's health, the American people stand united--Democrats, Republicans, Independents--all support extending and expanding SCHIP, the State Children's Health Insurance Program.  It's only in Washington, DC, that Republican Party leaders stand in the way of doing what a majority their own party members want them to do.  It's only in Washington DC that a Republican Party majority stands opposed to protecting children's health.  That does not represent the will of the American people, and does not represent the will of millions of fine Americans, who belong to a party that increasingly does not represent their views."

One could even go one and comment on how the "excesses" that Bush is so worried about would only come into play if state governments exercise their "states rights" to authorize higher levels of spending, and how terrible it is that Washington Republicans are not only anti-child, but anti-states rights as well!

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Good points (0.00 / 0)
I want to digress from the main bit you were talking about and concentrate on Edwards' campaign kick-off.

Whilst he could get away with it, it probably did marginalise him to an extent. But I could see an opportunity here for breaking racial norms and creating movement in the system.

To whit: if Obama were to nominate a very whitebread VP (think Tim Roemer, although I hope to anything and everything sacred he isn't quite that stupid) and get him to campaign in the typical angry black man fashion, that'd confuse the hell out of the press corps, make it harder for crypto-racist attacks on Obama to stick and help to make it normal for white politicians to give a shit about minorities in contexts other than GOTV.

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I'm having a very hard time diserning your central points lately (0.00 / 0)
Can you make your argument a little clearer?

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Oh No! (4.00 / 1)
Now Matt's got my cooties!

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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What about class in the progressive coalition? (0.00 / 0)
The way that Chris presents the issue, the white Reagan democrats that Obama may not win back are largely defined in terms of their social conservativism.  But there is just  as compelling an argument that Obama simply has a substantial problem retaining the support of lower income white democrats.  A recent head-to-head study by Pew, for example, came to that conclusion.  This is not just an issue for him in the election, but also bears upon this idea of a progressive coalition.  Its one thing to say that you don't need racist white men in that coalition.  But the flip side of this is that the Obama strategy is shifting the coalition strongly toward the upper income segments of society.  Maybe that is an acceptable tradeoff for some, but be careful what you wish for.  

John McCain: Health insurance for low income children represents an "unfunded liability."

Interesting point (0.00 / 0)
and I would only add that we shortly will have a helluva lot more low income voters than high income.

I do find it interesting that Obama appeals so strongly to a certain demographic among white voters: Creative class, upper income baby boomers (and their children) in college towns and big cities. Sociologically (and I suppose psychologically) that's an interesting phenomenon, worthy of a dissertation some day. Speaking as a post baby boomer with WWII era parents, Obama leaves me totally cold, as he does my siblings and parents. I don't dislike him and will of course support him in the general, but I hear him speak and frankly I don't get the appeal AT ALL. I don't have a negative reaction, just no reaction at all. We can all be amateur sociologists and it's worth about what it cost to write this, but I suspect a big chunk of his strength, especially on the money side, has to do with white guilt, which he plays like a violin (perhaps not even consciously). Especially for white children of privilege who lived through the Civil Rights era then got rich but stayed liberal, the siren song attacting them to a black candidate with inspirational rhetoric has got to be overwhelming. But it doesn't reach me (and I suspect the majority of the November electorate) at all. Just interesting.


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I think he can make inroads... (0.00 / 0)
6+ weeks campaigning in Pennsylvania will help, certainly. And then, as people begin to see John McCain's economic "ideas," they'll come around to Obama.  

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Also... (0.00 / 0)
Is your username an homage to "The Wire's" ill-fated CI?

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Yup (0.00 / 0)
For some reason that name always really cracked me up - a little touch in a show that was really great with little touches.

Regarding Obama and lower income whites, I think he definitely has the potential to improve.  In some ways, he has not really made the struggles of the working class a really central part of his campaign, and I think he needs to speak to those voters a bit more directly.

John McCain: Health insurance for low income children represents an "unfunded liability."


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Didn't we disparage (0.00 / 0)
Joe Lieberman for trying to win his primary with mostly Republican and Independent votes? Didn't we say he "didn't represent Democrats" and therefore should lose the primary? I'm serious ... what's the difference (besides Joe Lieberman being an a-hole for other reasons and Barack Obama not being one)?

Big Difference (4.00 / 1)
Connecticut Republicans didn't have a viable candidate, so the voted Lieberman. For the presidency, Republicans do have a viable candidate, but some are instead choosing to support Obama. I think that is a big difference.  

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Yes and (0.00 / 0)
Whatever our complaints about Obama's progressivism, he is nowhere near Lieberman territory of betrayal of his constituents and party, and I'm talking about Lieberman before he lost the CT primary, not the current one that actually endorsed a Republican for President.



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My interpretation of Jerome's comment (0.00 / 0)
At least in the quoted section, I believe Jerome is pointing out a paradox. Obama is winning by bringing in Independents and Replublicans to vote for him.  There is NO evidence that these people are joining the Democratic party or supporting the progressive agenda that the progressive blogosphere advocates. The Democratic party is not gaining more adherents.

At the risk of vastly over-generalizing, I think there are two main camps of Obama supporters: One is genuine progressives, represented by a lot of the liberal blogosphere, who beieve that Obama is 'one of them' and is converting all of these Independents and Republicans to the cause.   The other is these right-leaning Independents and Republicans who do not have any allegience or adherence to core progressive values (if they did, they would not be Republicans or right-leaning Independents). They believe Obama is post-partisan and centrist and like his message of unity.  

I think the first group is a lot larger, but the second is key to getting Obama the nomination.  The question is what direction Obama moves as president.  Will he be progressive and also convert these poeple, or will he keep to the center to hold on to them?  


Obama hasn't ever governed as a centrist... (4.00 / 3)
Why would he start now?

You campaign as a centrist. That's how you win. Some people are incredibly gifted at it (Bill Clinton back in 1992). Others just seem fake (John Kerry).

The thing about Obama that's different is that his positions are entirely progressive. But he's putting it in the language of bipartisanship and unity.

Barack Obama is defining the center. And he's defining it around the Democratic Party. That's a good thing.

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Disagree in part, but still rec'd (0.00 / 0)
Obama's positions aren't entirely progressive - not even close - but there's no reason to believe that Clinton is any better.

Bottom line is you're right to point out that every successful prez nominee has to define the center effectively and Obama is very good at that.  


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That would be perfect (0.00 / 0)
You are saying that he is moving the center to the left, and I think we all agree that is a good thing.

I want to believe that so much I won't even ask for evidence.


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Right on the first, wrong on the second (4.00 / 1)
Why do people assume that self-identified independents and Republicans voting for Obama (or Clinton) are right-leaning? The majority of people who self-identify as independents hold views on most issues that are closer to the Democratic party than the Republican party. That's why you sometimes hear them referred to as 'Indicrats.'(Not sure if I spelled that correctly.) A more logical assumption would be that these are the independents that are voting in the Democratic primaries, not the group that is further to the right.

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Maybe you're right (0.00 / 0)
I have never heard the term Indicrat, but it is a great term to a refer to the segment of the self-identified Independents who usually for Democrats.  On the other side there is a group of self-identified Independents who usually vote Republican. I guess we can call them Indipubs.  I'll take your word for it that they are a smaller group than the Indicrats.   I assumed this was the demographic Obama was tapping, because he talks about bringing in new voters to vote for a Democrat.   Are saying that the Indicrats like the Democratic view on the issues, but just don't vote for Democratic candidates until Obama?    

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Dem registration is up (0.00 / 0)
You can't put that all down to Obama, but some of that is probably due to him.

And if he can get those independents and Republicans voted for him, he starts them on an important step to becoming loyal Democratic voters.

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I agree with your criticism of Jerome... (0.00 / 0)
But I think you (and several others here at Open Left) miss the mark on Obama.

He doesn't conflate working with Republicans with drawing in Republican votes. But he does realize that in order to govern, he's going to have to work with Republicans.

Now, a lot of them are bad faith operators. This is true. But time and time again, he has argued that you don't lose anything by talking to them. It's really the same approach he takes to diplomacy, in that he's willing to sit down and speak with foreign leaders even if they are enemies. Because if you are firm in your principles, if you believe in what you say, you don't lose anything by speaking with them. Politics and diplomacy operate in very similar ways.

Now, does that mean he can't beat up the bad faith operators? Of course not. But it's a lot easier to do so when he can say, "I met with (such-and-such Republican) on this issue, and they were willing to work with me, why aren't you? Why are you willing to put partisanship ahead of the needs of the American people?" You're never going to get John Boehner or Mitch McConnell to be the bipartisan ones. You peel off the token Republican and use him/her as leverage to peel off more Republicans.

That's the only way we're going to get universal healthcare, is by convincing enough Republicans that they're going to lose reelection by opposing the President if they block it. Realistically, we're going to need to cross the 60 vote threshold. Unless there's a landslide election in 2008, that means getting at least five Republicans to cross the line on a cloture vote.  

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Both (4.00 / 1)
[Obama] doesn't conflate working with Republicans with drawing in Republican votes. But he does realize that in order to govern, he's going to have to work with Republicans.

I think it is both; he uses working with Republicans and drawing Republican (or more usually, independents who sometimes vote for Republicans) votes as part of an overall theme of unity.  Ted Kennedy is one of the most divisive partisans in congress (according to Republicans, at least), but also has one of the best track records of working across the aisle.  What Obama is suggesting isn't new or different at all; it is the same that any president would do.

If you are a Republican upset at your own party it helps you take the step towards voting for a Democrat if you believe the "good Republicans" will still be included.


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bipartisanship (4.00 / 1)
But it's a lot easier to do so when he can say, "I met with (such-and-such Republican) on this issue, and they were willing to work with me, why aren't you? Why are you willing to put partisanship ahead of the needs of the American people?" You're never going to get John Boehner or Mitch McConnell to be the bipartisan ones. You peel off the token Republican and use him/her as leverage to peel off more Republicans.

How is this different than what we've been doing, and what's been failing?  The outcome of Reid and Pelosi doing just this has been a consistently unified Republican caucus acting as a functional majority with the support of a breakaway faction of Bush Dogs.


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On one level, it isn't different (0.00 / 0)
You are basically correct that this isn't really different than what has always been done in the past, by both parties, actually.  This also cuts the other way, of course; what he suggests isn't radical, either.  

From a campaign perspective, this is different because he uses working with Republicans as part of his unity theme, which also includes racial, religious, sexual preference, gender and other forms of unity.  He shifts all the blame voters to reps and then from reps to lobbyists and special interests.

The real question is how a President Obama translates this to actual governing.  Some on this list, of course, think it doesn't'; he simply governs as a wimpy centrist.  Others, myself included, thinks he uses the bully pulpit to great effect to get the people behind him and make it very hard for Republicans to stay united against him.

Perhaps the most likely possibility, though, is he has enough Democrats in congress to get his agenda through, tries to bring in Republicans but basically fails and the Republicans claimed he went back on his promise.  We shall see, I hope.


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Anecdotal (0.00 / 0)
Over at dKos there is an interesting diary from a formal Utah Republican who switched parties and changed his mind on many policy positions due to Obama.  Obviously, anecdotal evidence must be read sceptically, but when it agrees with other evidence it can shed light on what is going on.

Even with all my dad's influence I never liked the nastiness of politics, the partisanship that has made our Congress ineffective, the divisiveness that currently plagues our country.  I can't stand the Hannity's and Limbaugh's that add to the ugliness of politics...

While I don't necessarily agree with him on every issue, he has changed my mind on many; including the Iraq war, foreign policy, education, and immigration.

I convinced my family he was better than Mitt Romney(a near impossible task in Utah) and proudly display an Obama sign in my yard despite living in the highest concentrated Republican area in the nation...

My eyes have been opened and I have seen the light--the truth of their lies--and the hope of brighter day--where American is great again.

What is interesting is how the "bi-partisan" rhetoric was a stepping stone to get someone to change their minds on actual policy.  Many have argued here that it doesn't work that way, but the evidence is mounting that perhaps, it really does.

Or maybe if Obama made all the improvements many here have asked for he would be even more effective than he already has been.  Hard to tell.  But either way, it seems to be working.


Nice Story, But It Totally Misses The Point Of This Diary (0.00 / 0)
And you're one of the most honest, thoughtful and insightful Obama supporters who posts regularly to this site.

No one is arguing against reaching out to Republicans.  The issue is how you do this.

Long before anyone had even heard of Obama, I was posting diaries about how a majority of conservatives support the welfare state--based on data going back to 1964!  And I argued that this was strong evidence that GOP leaders were misrepresenting their base, and ought to be challenged for it.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Policies (0.00 / 0)
I understand, which is why I specifically highlighted the part about the guy changing his mind on policy matters.  Even though Obama is doing it the "wrong way" he seems to be achieving the same results as we hope the correct way would.

The difference appears to be the order.  Obama gets people like Obama first and they change their opinions on the issues later.  What you constantly suggest would help in changing peoples opinions first then voting for progressive candidates later.

If Obama wins I think all is good and the bottom line will be the same either way.  If Obama loses, however, I'm not sure how well the conversion on the policy level will hold.  Ironically (or not), this points both to you being correct and for the need for Obama to win.


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Not Necessarily (0.00 / 0)
I'm not saying "policies first."  I realize that most people relate to politics via personalities, and that this is a strength for Obama, especially with younger voters.  And I'm a great fan of playing to your strengths, so why look a gift horse in the mouth?

But what I am saying--echoing Matt here--is that Reagan cheerfully bashed Democratic leaders while reaching out to Democratic voters, all at the same time.  So, naturally, folks responded to his persona first, but the message was already right there for them to pick up on, once they were ready to tune into it.  And Obama could do the same thing.  But he doesn't.

The problem with your little story, and the success that Obama is having so far, is that none of us know how this will play out, should he get elected, particularly since the Versailles media is already taking him to task for not being bipartisan enough. (See my diary that touched on this from yesterday.)

This would not be a such problem for him if he were doing a Reagan right now.  He would simply say, "Look, I said all along that Republican political leaders were problematic, because they don't do a good job of representing party members.  And here they go again."

But that's not what he's doing, and there's going to come a time when he will pay a price for it--and so will we, the American people.

So, this is the fix he's getting himself into.  And that's the problem I have with it.

Forget the problems I have with Obama's misreading of history.  As a polticial strategy now, it just doesn't seem well thought through.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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I have a pet theory (0.00 / 0)
That a lot of Mormons are feeling disaffected with the Republicans.

Not enough to make Utah competitive or anything, but I wonder if Colorado and a couple other western states with lots of mormons are now more competitive or even trending blue has something to do with it.

Even if Dems peel an extra 5 or 10% of Mormons from the 2004 proportions, that's a pretty big gain.

The Republican base's rejection of Mitt largely because he is a mormon has to rankle.  


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Nevada? (4.00 / 1)
Might be enough to flip Nevada, though. Then again, Obama's already shown strength in the traditionally Republican areas of the state, which should be enough to flip the narrow margin in that state.

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Definitely Nevada (0.00 / 0)
I saw a chart somewhere that listed the states with substantial mormon populations, and if I recall, Utah and Idaho are tops (Utah far higher than Idaho, but Idaho was double digits) and Colorado, Nevada and one or two others with upwards of 9% mormons.

Rove understood that you don't have to win a key constituency of your opposing party's if you can cut their lead in it, you're ahead in a 50-50 country.  It's probably easier to win support in a constituency that votes 90% GOP than one that is already evenly split.  


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Obama and Republicans (0.00 / 0)
This is the essence of transformational leadership, changing people's minds about their political values.  Obama does not do this...

So these cross-over Republicans aren't actually changing their minds? They still want to ignore global warming, ignore our healthcare system and keep feeding the grinder in Iraq? If this is true, as you suggest, why aren't these people voting for John McCain?

Either these cross-over Republicans are completely delusional, or they realize that they are, in fact, supporting a liberal - and they are OK with this.  

"Don't hate the media, become the media" -Jello Biafra


issues aren't as decisive as we might wish (0.00 / 0)
Personalities and emotions weigh in significantly, particularly with low information voters.  

As Paul has repeatedly noted, studies show even the most conservative voters actually want more domestic government spending and support medicare and social security yet vote for party leaders who hate these things.  

Republicans have been very good at exploiting these emotional chinks in voter armour.  Why not have a Democrat who is good at it too?


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Maybe they will vote for McCain. (0.00 / 0)
We don't know yet.

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And in all likelihood.... (0.00 / 0)
"And in all likelihood, both of these groups are going to go for the eventual nominee anyway."

Well, that is unless one candidate decides to try and demonize their opponent in such a way that it irreparably damages them going into the general. Not that I am naming names or anything....  


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