Institutional Standards, Bloggers And Samantha Power

by: Chris Bowers

Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 18:00


There is something that has been bothering me about the still bubbling argument over whether or not the Scotsman should have published the "monster" quote from Samantha Power that basically ended her career as a high-level foreign policy advisor. Specifically, I don't like how those on both sides of the argument are hiding behind institutional standards of "journalistic ethics" to justify their positions. This is probably because, as a blogger, which ultimately means I am the proprietor of an independent media outlet, I have no institution to hide behind myself and, as such, I would not have published the quote.

Here is what the journalist who recorded the quote, Gerri Peev, which the editor of The Scotsman then published, said in justification (emphasis mine):

Because I don't know what the convention is in American journalism, but in Britain here we have very firm rules about the fact that generally you establish whether a conversation or interview is on or off the record before it actually happens...we are not in this business to self-censor ourselves; we are in this business to print the truth."

The justification for publishing the quote is entirely based on "conventions," "rules," "business," and other institutional norms. There seems to be no appreciation that Peev and her editor were personally responsible for ending someone's political advisor career over something really, really stupid. This strikes me as very much hiding behind vague institutional rules and regulations in an effort to elide personal responsibility. Such hiding is impossible when someone is a blogger, since any pretext of protection from a larger institution is wiped away. When you are an independent blogger, there are no vaguely constructed curtains of professional conventions, rules and business practices to hide behind. If I do something, then I am responsible for it, not some larger institution or professional code. And so, I'm not going to publish a quote like that, because I am not going to get Samantha Power fired over something really stupid that she obviously did not want published.

The largest difference between the progressive blogosphere and established media outlets is not that we are partisan or ideological, but rather that we have completely different business models and relationships to larger institutions. While most established media outlets are large companies and / or sections of enormous corporate conglomerates, the progressive blogosphere mainly operates on a small business and hobbyist model with very few employees and a lot of direct fundraising in order to stay afloat. We do not have fixed salaries, editors, and professional codes of conduct on which to rely. Basically, we are out there on our own, and our actions directly reflect on us as individuals rather than on our relationship with large institutions. This ultimately results in a very different set of actions we are willing to undertake, or not undertake. What we do is very humanist, or at least human, and as such is antithetical to the sort of "gotcha" politics that has become the bread and butter of established political reporting, where consistency and decorum and supposedly valued above all other personal attributes (or, antithetical unless you are an asshole who doesn't care about destroying other people). If I start engaging in personal takedowns over something really stupid and pointless, then the same thing becomes fair game against me. By contrast, if you have an institution to hide behind and protect you, such human considerations never enter into the equation.

If one conceptualizes the exchange between Power and Peev as an exchange between the institution of the Obama campaign and the institution of journalism, then you probably think publishing the quote was justified. However, if you conceptualize it as an exchange between two people, Samantha Power and Gerri Peev, then like me you probably think Peev is a bit of a jerk more interested in taking people down than having an actual, meaningful personal exchange. And I think that where someone situates himself in that debate probably has a lot to do with your personal relationship to an institution: are you acting on your own, or on behalf of something larger than you? Do you have an institution to protect you, or not?

I have always hated the way many journalists use some abstract, vague, quasi-mythical "journalistic code" to attack bloggers as irresponsible and unethical. I feel no imperative to follow the code of an institution in which I do not operate. In fact, I think that the 'journalistic code" has led us down a path of dehumanized, "gotcha" politics, where there is no forgiveness, not gradients of being more or less consistent, and no accounting for the fact that journalists and politicians are all human beings.

Update: To be clear, I'm not trying to justify what Power said, or to argue that by printing the quote Peev was wrong. Instead, I'm arguing that Power was fired for her interaction with Peev and the Scotsman, not for her interaction with some sort of abstract journalistic standards. I am tired of journalists hiding behind institutions and vague abstractions in order to elide responsibility for what they themselves have done. When you are in my situation, and there is no pretense of institutional support to hide behind, it is impossible to avoid your personal responsibility for what you write.

When journalists hide behind a code of ethics to justify what they do as individuals, it is a cop-out, pure and simple. Stenography is not the job of a journalist, and everyone edits. If stenography was their jobs, they would just post audio or video files of their interviews and be done with it. Instead, everyone crops, edits, and summarizes, and leaves in what they feel are the important parts. In this case, Peev left in what she felt were the important parts, and her editor agreed with that assessment. For Peev to then hide behind an abstract code elides her personal role in the matter. Journalists can print whatever they want to print. Just don't claim that, when you keep something in an article and leave other things out, that "the code made me do it." That  is just pathetic. Take responsibility for your own editorial decisions, rather than passing the buck off to an abstraction.  

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Code is not just for the institution (0.00 / 0)
I do agree to some extent with the overall point of your last paragraph - there should be some room for flexibility, but isn't the credibility of a reporter damaged if he or she applies different standards for what is 'off the record' to different interviewees? I've never been a reporter, but I can see the desire to take decision making out of the equation to guard against my own personal bias.  It would be easy to allow something to be off the record for someone I personally liked.

I also disagree that Sam Powers' career as a foreign policy advisor is over. I hope not anyway.


Another eruption (4.00 / 1)
I'm afraid this flap over Rev Wright is going to be a gazillion times worse than Samantha Powers. Barack needs to get out in front of this now. It isn't playing well at all that he calls this man his spiritual mentor and has gone to his church for 20 years. This one could sink him.

A quick check of Google News (0.00 / 0)
revealed the following:

Hits in the last month for "Barack Obama" "Jeremiah Wright" --

402.

Hits in the last month for "Barack Obama" "Samantha Power" --

1,428.

Hits in the last month for "Hillary Clinton" "Geraldine Ferraro" -

2,919.

Jeremiah Wright has been around Obama for a long time, and Obama survived Rezko and McClurkin.  If there was something here, the Clinton campaign would have used it already.  Yet, nothing - so I'm inclined to believe that this story is looking like a bit of a non-starter.


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76,800 on Google for the Wright story (0.00 / 0)


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Can you link me to that? (4.00 / 1)
I'll humbly stand corrected if I see otherwise with regards to the story.  Even so, I doubt it'll heat up that much - I could be wrong though.   As I said, if there was really something there, I think it would have been dropped on Obama already, especially since this isn't the first time Wright has said something controversial, IIRC.

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It's very, very bad... (0.00 / 0)
...'cos Wright is an "angry black man" and we know what that's going to do to the electorate as a whole...  It's obviously not fair that white preachers get off the hook for this sort of thing, but them's the breaks.  I'm not sure if the Obama camp realizes the seriousness of this thing, or if they are doing their standard, "let it go away" routine that makes me seriously worry that he's going to be another Kerry.

Regardless, we'll know next week when the tracking polls come out...  If he plummets in ratings, that will be it.  It will be another progressive casualty of the "dean scream" loving media.  At least we have a plan B in place, even though that plan stinks, and african american voters will still feel disenfranchised...

I'm sick to my stomach and not sleeping much over this thing, especially since the Obama campaign seems to be fiddling while their candidacy burns.  

REID: Voting against us was never part of our arrangement!
SPECTER: I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!
REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!


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It's spreading like wildfire (0.00 / 0)
I'm hearing from friends and relatives. It's on Huffpo, Fox, ABCNews, Good Morning America, Anderson Cooper 360, even popular gay sites like towleroad.com and queerty.com. This is not a small story. Obama doesn't have the stomach to fight. We have seen it time and again with him. Say what we will about her, but Hillary is as mean as a junkyard dog, and that's what it will take to win in the fall. That's just the reality. It's the world we live in.

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Blessing in disguise (0.00 / 0)
As Al Giordano said, this whole Wright brouhaha has one silver lining: it puts to rest the rumor campaign that he is a muslim.

Seriously, this is a rough patch for Obama, but it'll die down in 72 hours, just as the Ferraro comments before that.

BTW, the people of Pennsylvania go to the polls in 6 weeks...


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That's why she has more delegates (4.00 / 2)
and all the polls have her leading Barack among Democrats, and beating McCain in a much larger measure?

They're both effective in their own way, but I would suggest that Obama's approach is superior, and has helped him cultivate support from all corners, he's repeatedly been able to defuse attacks or smears against him (Rezko, Muslim, Ferraro), and he's winning.  That's usually a good sign.


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You're not following the race closely (0.00 / 0)
Hillary has won every important race. For a list of important races, look up the ones she's won.

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Still think this story doesn't have legs? (0.00 / 0)


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They've had quotes from this guy before. (0.00 / 0)
You Tube can be pernicious, but hopefully its impact isn't THAT much greater.

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Here is one of his replies: (0.00 / 0)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...
I do think he needs to hit this hard. But I'm not sure if it has the traction your suggesting. Has St.McCain been getting a pass re:Hagee (and that other guy in Ohio that I can't think of)? I think he has, but I think it has also contributed to a little bit of fatigue for the "guilty by association" narrative. As of right now, the cycle seems to be more bad economic news and FISA wins. But, we shall see...

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Very interesting post (0.00 / 0)
and I agree with you wholeheartedly here - there is no upside to Power's quote being published, especially since she immediately expressed regret for it.  It's not as if she revealed some secret that the reporter had some moral obligation to share with the world in order to prevent something bad from happening.  She simply made a mistake, but Peev knew she could cause a stir, even if it came at the cost of Samantha Power's position with Obama.

I suppose the bottom line is that the saying about the press is true: don't pick fights with people who buy ink by the barrel (or something like that). The reporter knew that the paper would love this, and generally speaking, most newspapers will publish most anything if it will sell them one more copy.  Thus, the Power quote.


Ultimately (4.00 / 1)
the gotcha component of modern journalism has resulted in less access to powerful figures.

The best political books ever written about elections were written by Teddy White (with apologies to Hunter Thompson).  If you read his Making of the President series what strikes you is the incredible access he had to the candidates.  Thus he could write about a lengthy conversation he had with RFK on the day RFK was killed, or about a lengthy conversation with Nixon in a way that no modern reporter can.  

I have no doubt the "Monster" quote would have never made to paper if White had heard it.

So the question I want to raise is whether the style of modern political reporting acts in the end to restrict the amount of information the public ultimately gets about the candidates.   In the end I think it does.   There is unquestionably a trade-off here:  White's portayals tended to be positive, and to the modern mind even naive.   But in the end I think he was able to provide a more accurate picture of the the  players in elections  than any modern reporter.

 


the problem is flip flopping in an interview (4.00 / 2)
now you interview plenty of people and so have I. I have had experiences where every third sentence the person is saying something is off the record. Its very disruptive and makes the interview almost a throw away. It can become very tricky to try to keep track of what is ok and not ok to use. In that regard I think its much better to establish if an interview is on or off the record before the interview.

that said, if you are in an interview that is on the record, and the person says something like this, then it would be reasonable and I think fair to stop the interview and remind the person that you had agreed that everything in the interview would be on the record. then grant them the right to retract what they said this one time, but you will not be granting any more retractions in the rest of the interview.

I agree the scottsman was playing gotcha, but its also the case that there is very good reason to have the terms of the interview lined up beforehand, and interviewees should not be allowed to play willy-nilly with previously agreed to terms.

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oh, and Samantha was stupid (4.00 / 1)
I would know not to say Hillary is a monster in an interview. Samantha certainly should have too. I mean, come on, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to not shoot your mouth off. If I was on Obama's team I probably wouldn't even say such things to best friends for fear of damaging the campaign.  

Michael Bloomberg, prince of corporate welfare

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Very Typical Of British Journalism (0.00 / 0)
We tend to forget that Britain is still very, very much a class society, and its journalism is very much about policing who gets into positions of power and who does not.

American journalism, of course, aspires to the exact same thing.  This is the triumph of the Tory press in America.  But they don't have it bred in their bones for over 1000 years, so they're not nearly so hard-wired and instinctual about it.

Ironically, however, I still maintain that Power is someone who is actually quite likely to be more impactful as an outside intellectual than as a political insider.  Even she may not feel that way, and perhaps I'm flattering her.  But it seems that way to me. IN the long run, independent intellectuals are the ones with real power, because they can't be intimidated by the likes of Peev.  

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


Chris, I think and hope that you're wrong (0.00 / 0)
...basically ended her career as a high-level foreign policy advisor.

Obama has held himself to a higher standard of campaigning and had to let Power go, but I certainly hope she will have an important role in his White House. I think there is room for policy experts in high level capacities who are not and need not be politicians, if the administration can ask them to stay away from the press and not make any public comments. This is part of the change that I expect and would demand from an Obama administration.


After the campaign . . .. (0.00 / 0)
I bet she can have a role to play.  That comment was really small potatoes and will be forgotten before long.  

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Here's the problem (4.00 / 3)
My perspective is that of a former newspaper reporter. I can tell you that journalists simply aren't taught to conduct interviews with an ear for what will help or harm the subject. If you're good at the job, you come to an interview looking to establish some connection with the subject and get them comfortable, so that they spill whatever is on their mind. Your goal is to simply get as much out of the subject as you can. The blessing and the curse of this model is that the reporter is rarely in a position to know which quotes will be more harmful to the subject than helpful to society.
Why do newspapers operate like this - training their reporters to record everything, and then printing it? For one, it's an issue of credibility - not just with readers, but with sources. If readers think the newspaper is holding back relevant information to do people favors, they will look elsewhere for trustworthy news. Say you're the New York Times and all your stories are filled with dignified, eloquent quotes from politician X's campaign advisors - and then ten other newspapers print snarky, insulting comments from the same advisors. Wouldn't this seem like the New York Times is either sanitizing the advisors' quotes, or just has a really bad reporter who doesn't know how to dig up dirt?
As for credibility with sources: A political reporter becomes known for agreeing to "erase" inflammatory statements from the record may as well be chum in the water. Sources will see that reporter not as "nice," but rather as easily manipulated. Look at all the reporters pre-Iraq War who prided themselves on being buddy-buddy with Bush administration types - and then got burned when the "leaks" they got from the Bushies turned out to be false. Those are the sorts of reporters who would compromise and take stuff off the record after it's on. Good political journalists are hard-ass on this stuff, and they're good in part because they don't care about the impact of their sources' public statements on their sources' careers. Do you think Woodward and Bernstein cared about John Mitchell's career prospects when they printed the "tit in the wringer" quote?
That's why I think that professionally, the Scotsman wasn't out of line. To the contrary, they printed exactly what was told to them in an on-the-record interview.

P.S. Disclosure: I'm an Obama backer and voter. Shame on Samantha Powers for being so naive, dumb, or whatever she was.


Thought experiment (4.00 / 1)
Obama is Dem nominee.  McCain in interview with reporter says "I'm going to beat that nigger."

Is McCain allowed to say, Oh that was off the record?

How far do you allow a politician to dial things back?  Can McCain call the reporter afterwards and retract some things on the basis that they are "off the record"?

I respectfully disagree with the post.  This is like Russert saying that he assumes anything he is told is off-the-record unless he is told differently.  Hello?

Greenwald has had some powerful posts on just this topic.


Yes, but (0.00 / 0)
here's Greenwald on his decision not to publish an email exchange he had with a "well known journalist" who pre-empted their message with the subject line "OFF THE RECORD," even though by his own admission, he would have been justified in doing so:

I ended up not publishing that exchange solely because the probative value was minimal and the primary effect from doing so would just have been to make him look foolish for being so petulant and thin-skinned. Publishing it would have been more vindictive and petty than instructive, so I didn't.

I believe that the same applies to the Power remark - the reasoning that went into Greenwald's decision not to publish (even though his agreement with Peev and his statements indicate he believes he would have been justified in doing so) should have been the same reasoning Peev applied to her decision to include that remark.  There was nothing instructive about Power's remark, and she immediately expressed regret - indeed, there was no purpose in revealing the remark other than to demonstrate "Hey, here's an advisor calling Hillary Clinton a 'monster.'" That's not relevant to anything.

On McCain, two questions:

Are John McCain and Samantha Power analogous individuals, insofar as their present influence and potential future power?

Are "monster" and "n*****" synonymous?

So yeah, I'd say that's the difference.


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Your argument is vague and poorly reasoned (0.00 / 0)

I believe that the same applies to the Power remark

You can "believe" all you want.  I don't agree, and you can't force me to agree with your subjective judgement (and I sure amn't going to waste cycles listening to some tiresome argument about it).  That is the importance of having definite standards.

It is also intellectually dishonest to equate Greenwald's elective decision not to publish his email exchange, with a requirement that Peev should not have divulged part of her exchange.

To do this in a context where Greenwald is defending Peev against the American journalistic mindset, just takes breathtaking chutzpah.

Other than that, great post.


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Really (0.00 / 0)
I'm not trying to force you to believe anything, I was really just trying to state my opinion on the matter, that's all.

I also never said that Peev should have been "required" to not publish Power's remark.  All I'm saying is that, in my opinion, while Greenwald makes a number of good and relevant points, that  the reasoning he used in deciding not to publish his exchange could have been used by Peev in a possible decision not to publish Power's remark.  

I'm just unpersuaded by the idea that Power's remark was in any way instructive, and Greenwald tacitly implies that journalists (as he has clearly done) may, at their discretion, opt not to publish something (claimed by the originator to be "off the record") that they believe was "on the record" if the content of the statement in question was irrelevant and not instructive.

Thanks for the concluding compliment though. Haha


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I feel like we are treading into godwin territoy here (0.00 / 0)
The hypothetical example you post is pretty extreme, to say the least. I don't consider the two situations analogous.

As I asked someone below, what is the job of a journalist? Is it pure stenography, where they just publish whatever anyone says, absolutely unedited? I don't think so. I can't think of any reporters who do that. If that is what reporting was, then just post an unedited audio file of the interview and be done with it.

My point is different. When you don't have any institutions or "codes" to hide behind, the acting agent becomes much clearer. Peev is trying to argue that it was Power's interaction with journalistic standards that got her fired. I'm trying to point out that is was Power's interaction with Peev that got her fired. And I stand by that assessment.  


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??? (4.00 / 1)
And so, I'm not going to publish a quote like that, because I am not going to get Samantha Power fired over something really stupid that she obviously did not want published.

I'm appalled by this.  Since when is keeping people from getting fired a journalist's job??  I always thought their job is to report what's happening and what people say.  If people say stupid, job-threatening things, that's their problem.  

Anyone who has to deal with the press should know better than to say what Power said.  Frankly, I don't want anyone who can't control his or her mouth doing anything involving foreign affairs - we've had quite enough of that in the last 7 years.

I'm sorry, but if someone from Clinton's camp had called Obama a monster, I truly believe you'd be singing a much different tune right now.  She screwed up badly and deserved what she got.

That said, I still want to read her books.  They sound really, really interesting.


Jobs (4.00 / 1)
I'm appalled by this.  Since when is keeping people from getting fired a journalist's job??  I always thought their job is to report what's happening and what people say.  If people say stupid, job-threatening things, that's their problem.

I don't know what a journalist's "job" is. I certainly would like to think that it is more than just being a stenographer. If you want to report what people say, then just post the entire interview, unedited, in an audio file format and be done with it.

But anyway, what I am trying to point out is when people hide behind concepts like job descriptions, professional codes of conduct, and institutions in order to justify what they do. I consider that eliding personal responsibility. When the veil is pulled away, and you are out on your own, such abstractions appear to obviously be the folly that they always were.  


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this is absurd (0.00 / 0)
when people hide behind concepts like job descriptions, professional codes of conduct, and institutions in order to justify what they do. I consider that eliding personal responsibility. When the veil is pulled away, and you are out on your own, such abstractions appear to obviously be the folly that they always were.

Professional ethics and personal ethics are two different beasts. This is true in every single profession and most activities (including blogging--i'm more more tolerant of trolls in real life than on a blog).  Perhaps the trouble is not the initial article but the response by other media to it.


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As a former journalist (4.00 / 1)
Samantha Power should have known that nothing is "off the record."  If you want something off the record, you don't say it in an interview.  She said it, and it was fair game.  Her life is not exactly destroyed, and she'll recover quite well from this episode.  I think journalists who make something up, or don't get the facts straight, or who go after the most vulnerable people in our society are a much bigger problem than one who doesn't give a member of our privileged elite a mulligan.

It is the job of thinking people not to be on the side of the executioners -- Albert Camus


AND the real story was lost (0.00 / 0)
Note how most references to Power's slip of the tongue say that she called HRC a "monster" - but then don't explain the context of monster, which was specifically that Hillary will go below the belt to win. The point Power was making was about a way of campaigning that has become appalling even to many people who previously liked Hillary. Pelosi has said as much about recent Clinton tactics.

Good journalism might have led to more questions, "What do you mean? Give us some examples." - That might have been meaningful. But no, we just have this loaded quote flopping around out there.  


Was it probative? (0.00 / 0)
I don't even accept your premise that Power's comment was not probative. To me it was very interesting and surprising that even the senior foreign policy advisor, whom I thought was above the fray of the day to day politics of the campaign, spoke of Clinton in those terms. It did add to my knowledge of what the campaign and the foreign policy team is like, and wasn't that one of the reasons the story was published at all?

Try learning something about journalism, Chris (0.00 / 0)
When journalists hide behind a code of ethics to justify what they do as individuals, it is a cop-out, pure and simple.

This post is informed by ignorance about the profession of journalism and your personal animus for reporters.  Every charge you make is completely uninformed and unsubstantiated.  

Good reporters don't let their sources decide when comments are off the record.  As a journalist, I view off the record conversations as situations to be avoided. An ex post facto declaration of "off the record" is not valid. Talking off the record is an exception, not the rule.

Anything said to me is said for publication until I also agree that we are talking off the record. Sources can try to reel back controversial statements all they want; it is not unethical to print something said on the record that a source then tries to take back.  

Don't fault Peev for repeating a statement originally made to her on the record without a prior agreement of what is and is not off the record.



that's not what I am faulting Peev for (0.00 / 0)
Don't fault Peev for repeating a statement originally made to her on the record without a prior agreement of what is and is not off the record.

That is not what I am faulting Peev for. I'm faulting her for her explanation of why she published it, not for publishing it.

She published it because she thought it was newsworthy, not because of some abstract code. Admitting that would be fine. Claiming that she was obligated to post it according to rules and conventions is where I take issue.  


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And seriously (0.00 / 0)
"Try learning something about journalism, Chris."

or

"This post is informed by ignorance about the profession of journalism and your personal animus for reporters.  Every charge you make is completely uninformed and unsubstantiated."

This is exactly the sort of condescending, petulant, dismissive attitude from journalists that cause people to hold animus toward reporters.

My point is absolutely substantiated, since I quoted Peev using abstract codes no less than four times in her justification of publishing the quote. By contrast, bloggers have not such abstract codes to fall behind, and so when we write something we know it will result in a direct, personal attack, just like yours. And so, we have to take responsibility for what we write, not rely on some institution that protects us.

I've learned enough about journalism to know that when people criticize the profession, members of the profession often fall back on their standards of conduct to justify their actions, just as you do in your comment. My point is that you need to justify your actions yourself, not by hiding behind an abstract standards that are vague, often ignored, and open to interpretation.  


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Careful, Chris (0.00 / 0)
This is exactly the sort of condescending, petulant, dismissive attitude from journalists that cause people to hold animus toward reporters.

I just might cry. /snark

You are just way off the mark and way, way over your head.  

There is absolutely no expectation that in the middle of an interview you can just say "whoops! off the record!" and expect it to stay out of print.

Samantha Power is an Ivy League graduate and teaches at Harvard.  Do you really expect people to believe she doesn't know that what happens in interviews?

This entire discussion is absurd, as is your response.


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if it's so absurd.... (0.00 / 0)
then why do you feel the need to adopt such a condescending tone? and i'm saying that as someone who probably agrees with you in principle.

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One Might Expect (0.00 / 0)
that a reporter would rather cultivate a source than burn one over such a cheap hit.

But, then, we reporters seem to have a need to prove just how short-sighted and clueless we can be on an almost daily basis.

(This is not about being nice to someone--although that's a side-benefit.  It's about doing a better job of actually informing the public, rather than simply titilating it.)

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Ethics/Standards/Commonly Understood Practices (0.00 / 0)
Based on the context of the Huffington Post essay you linked to, it sounds to me like you're criticizing the Scotsman writer and editor for something other than what they're defending themselves from.

Omid Memarian, for example, is specifically accusing them of violating the ethics and standards associated with "off the record." It seems like that's what several other critics, especially within the journalism community, have done. Given that, how could they defend themselves other than by appealing to the standard of what the rules for "off the record" are?

Editor Mike Gilson claimed the quote was newsworthy and significant because it showed how the Obama campaign was reacting to the Clinton campaign and perhaps illustrated the inexperience issue. They're taking the responsibility for deciding it was newsworthy that you say they're not.

The controversial question is whether the writer/editor should have allowed Powers to take the newsworthy comments back after she made them. And to answer that question, again, you have to get into the weeds of how "off the record" works, and how writers and editors and interviewees understand it.

I also disagree that blogging is completely free from these debates about standards, practices, codes, and so on. Any argument over troll-rating or hiding comments is an argument about standards and ethics and how they will be applied. That argument involves appealing to generally understood practices and standards and applying them to a specific situation. Arguments over blogrolls, linking protocols, front-page poster objectivity, and so on mirror the kind of media-ethics discussion you're decrying and show how much of a blogger ethics have already developed in a relatively brief time.


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I Are A Journalist, Too... (0.00 / 0)
And I think that Chris makes a perfectly reasonable case.  I'm no more wedded to the cannons of journalistic practice than I'm a slave to American jingoism, particularly since our greatest journalists--George Seldes, I.F. Stone, etc., have always been iconoclasts.

Some will always play hardnosed, and seek to rise with sensational "gotcha" stories, while others will seek to cultivate a more nuanced, substantive body of work.  Neither way--nor any other alternative--is necessarily "right," all must be justified in Biblical fashion: by their fruits ye shall know them.

Chris is simply arguing that the fruits here look more rotten than ripe, and an effective response will meet his argument on its own terms.

And, yes.  I have published my own "gotcha!" moments, too.  When someone really gives something fundamental away in a revealing comment that speaks volumes, it is quite, quite different than what we're talking about here, which is simply someone getting a bit carried away.

One can, after all, be charitable to those one interviews without instantly turning into a lackey or wimp.  True charity is a sign of strength, not weakness.  Those who have benefitted from it either recognize it as a such, or should not expect to be shown it again.  

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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She's from Ireland. . . (0.00 / 0)
. . . for God's sake. She should know how the UK press work.

Ever read the Daily Mail? Sample from today:

Trapped with Charles on an official tour, now miserable Camilla knows how Diana felt
The reason for Camilla's despair? She's found even she can't snap her husband out of his self-absorbed grumpiness


Powers stuck her foot in her mouth (0.00 / 0)
Now, some of it may be a cultural difference between US and UK journalists.  Typically, if a brief statement is immediately followed by "that's off the record", an American journalist will let it pass.  The journalistic ethics don't require it, but "burning" a source over an excited utterance or poor choice of words isn't considered good journalism, and it tends to cut down on your ability to get future interviews with any source.

But even there, it's not clearcut.  If someone yelled out the "n-word" because an African American waiter spilled coffee on them, nothing would keep that off the record.

The point is, once Powers became the story in such a negative way, she did the right thing and fell on her sword.  An Obama administration will have many places to use her skills if he gets elected, and by then the "monster" remark will be irrelevant.


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a hypothetical (0.00 / 0)
Imagine, if you will, that instead of Samantha Power, this statement had come from Max Boot, or Dana Perino, or Lindsay Graham.  Do you honestly believe your reaction to the statement and to Peev's choices would be the same?

OTOH (0.00 / 0)
Do you imagine for a millisecond that the result would be anywhere within three parsecs of what happened with Power???

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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thank you (0.00 / 0)
For voicing something that has been driving me nuts for a long time.  There's a difference between printing something that's "off the record" nudge nudge wink wink (which is apparently fine), and printing something that's off the record as in "oh sh*t, hold on, let me re-word that".  

Accidentally dropping an insult (regardless of whether or not that's how you actually feel)is different than "dropping" an insult.  Everyone understands this, even journalists.  But journalists are more likely to go to print with this type of thing than you are to repeat something someone gossipped to you over pancakes and coffee.  

Why?  Because the average human being has some sense of decency, whereas the average reporter is under stress and pressure to print the "Gotcha!".  If a friend over coffee and a bagel is telling you about issue X, and happens to say something bad about your friend Sam, and then kind of take it back, are you going to run and tell Sam?  No, you're not, and you're certainly not going to tell everyone you know about it either.

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