Delegate Count Update, April 4th

by: Chris Bowers

Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 13:18


I have decided to discontinue my personal pledged delegate count, and just go with the pledged delegate count from the Green Papers from now on, since I agree with their count 100%. For superdelegates, I will still be using Democratic Convention Watch, which is the best source out there. Although it was not a factor in choosing these two sources, it is kind of cool that two DIY sources are the best places to go for accurate delegate counts on the 2008 nomination campaign. Who needs big media, anyway? Here are the latest totals:

Democratic Nomination Delegate Count
Type Obama Clinton Edwards Remaining 50% + 1
Pledged 1,415 1,254 18 566 1,627
Super 216 246 0 331 --
Total 1,631 1,500 18 897 2,023.5

And here is my superdelegate detail, based on my analysis from yesterday:

Detailed Superdelegate Projection
Type Obama Clinton Remaining
Non add-on 214 246 255
Projected add-on 40 24 12
Vacant 3 1 -2
Pelosi Club 5 -1 -5
Not public 5 0 -5
Total 267 270 255

The Green Papers pledged delegates, plus my superdelegate detailed count, give overall totals of Obama 1,682--1,524 Clinton. With a magic number of 2,022.5 (the two vacancies reduce the magic number by 1), Obama needs only 41.5%, or 340.5, of the remaining 821 uncommitted delegates to win the nomination.

The delegate projection for the remaining primary and caucus states is as follows, based on current polling averages:

Democratic Nomination Primary Schedule
State Date O % C % P. Del Obama Del Clinton Del
Pennsylvania Apr 22 41.6% 48.6% 158 73 85
Guam May 03 -- -- 4 2 2
Indiana May 06 44.3% 51.3% 72 33 39
North Carolina May 06 51.3% 36.0% 115 66 49
West Virginia May 13 24.5% 49.0% 28 9 19
Kentucky May 20 29.0% 58.0% 51 17 34
Oregon May 20 -- -- 52 27 25
Puerto Rico Jun 01 -- -- 55 23 32
Montana Jun 03 -- -- 16 8 8
South Dakota Jun 03 -- -- 15 8 7
Total June 10 -- -- 566 266 300

Add this in to the above numbers, and it comes to a grand total of Obama 1,948--1,824 Clinton, with only the 255 remaining superdelegates to go. Obama would need 74.5, or just 29.3%, of the remaining superdelegates to reach the 2,022.5 magic number. At that point, he would be able to dictate what happens in Florida and Michigan. In order to have any chance, Clinton is going to need to significantly outperform current polls in remaining states, come up with a convincing new argument for superdelegates, and somehow finagle a good deal for Michigan and Florida. And even if she pulls all of that off, each aspect of which is unlikely, Obama will still be favored because he will have more than zero delegates in Michigan. In other words, it would be a shocker if Obama wasn't the nominee, and if the nomination campaign wasn't functionally over by the end of June.

Notes on these numbers in the extended entry.  

Chris Bowers :: Delegate Count Update, April 4th
Pledged Delegate Notes
  • Obama nets a delegate in American Samoa. The often reported Clinton 2-1 Obama delegate count for American Samoa is inaccurate, and is actually 1.5-1.5. Green papers first noticed this inaccuracy. The problem was that American Samoa is actually sending six delegates to the convention with half a vote each, rather than three delegates with a full vote. As such, Clinton needed 58.33% of the vote in American Samoa to reach 2-1. Instead, she came in at 57.39%, leaving her exactly three votes shy of a 2-1 margin.

  • Clinton nets two delegates in Louisiana: Also as reported by Green papers, it turns out that the official delegate breakdown in Louisiana is Obama 33-23 Clinton, not Obama 34-22 Clinton. There has been conflicting reports on these numbers for some time, but the final totals now appear official, and Clinton picked up a delegate in one of the congressional districts at the March 1st congressional district caucuses.

  • No extra delegates for Obama in Illinois: There had been a rumor floating around that Obama would pick up two extra delegates in Illinois because Clinton did not meet the 15% threshold in two congressional districts. However, upon closer examination, it appears that two 8-0 Obama districts were already factored into the 104-49 delegate count for the state.

Superdelegate Detail Notes

  • The projected add-ons are based on the list of states that Obama and Clinton have won to date. Add-ons are projected as winner take all, except in Missouri, where a split is projected. Clinton is projected to win the New Hampshire add-on, while Obama is projected to win the Texas and Nevada add-ons.
  • Three vacancies are currently projected for Obama: one of the at-DNC members (an SEIU member), the Illinois DNC member, and Donna Edwards. Jackie Speier is projected as the vacant super for Clinton. The vacant Arizona DNC spot, and the second vacant at-large DNC spot, are not projected at this time.
  • The Pelosi Club delegates are all projected for Obama, since he is a lock to win the pledged delegate total.
  • The non-public Obama endorses are based on my personal, behind the scenes whip count.

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Add-on projections (0.00 / 0)
I'm skeptical about the assumption of winner-take-all for the add-ons, especially in primary states, where the makeup of the deciding body may have nothing to do with the outcome of the primary vote. For example, it's not working out that way in DC. I've said a bit more in comments at DemConWatch.

once Obama surpasses Hillary's superdelegate count (0.00 / 0)
any narrative Hillary has left will be turned on it's head.  Over and over, I've said that calls asking Hillary to leave are stupid and counter productive, the pressure is occurring naturally.  Obama needs to continue to campaign in a competent and forceful way, the state by state competition has been great.  The drying up of Hillary's donors are probably her most serious challenge but history has shown that any one event can galvanize her supporters to open the money spigot.
Obama can't be too careful or aloof to take anything for granted but once the superdelegate lead is breached, Hillary's steep climb will turn into a 90 degree vertical.

I am just baffled at the blithe acceptance of the fact (0.00 / 0)
amongst a progressive community that the voters of Florida and Michigan have no right to have thier votes matter.

This shows one the extent to which partisanship cloaks progressive good judgement.  It is a bad sign for holding Obama accountable if he the nominee and gets elected.

This has been my position since the DNC engaged in this poor policy.  And it cntinues to be my position.

It jeoparidzes winning Florda greatly and to some extent Michigan....besides...but it also sends a terrible message If this is how Obama wins the nomination....then lots of Hillary supporters will stay home in November.

I will vote for him...but lots of others won't.

"Incrementalism isn't a different path to the same place, it could be a different path to a different place"
Stoller


What Is An "Add-On" Superdelegate? (0.00 / 0)
Just when I think I have a handle on this, I run into another term. It's like particle physics. Does an add-on superdelegate have anything in common with a strangelet?

Add-ons (0.00 / 0)
The unpledged add-on delegates are included in most counts of superdelegates, because "superdelegate" is generally used as a synonym for "unpledged delegate". There are 76 of them, most of whom have not yet been chosen. Most states get 1 add-on, but some get more -- California gets 5.

Superdelegates can be divided into six categories: governors, senators, House members, distinguished party leaders, DNC members, and add-ons.


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With All Due Respect, You Didn't Answer My Question (0.00 / 0)
I swear to God, it's not hostile. What IS an "add-on" superdelegate?

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Sorry (0.00 / 0)
I'm not sure what sort of an answer you're looking for. Unpledged add-on delegates are a special category of unpledged delegates who are selected by the states after their primaries and caucuses. "Unpledged" means that they can vote as they wish, though many will express an opinion before the convention.

Add-ons are the only superdelegates who are chosen specifically to be delegates and for no other purpose. All other superdelegates are superdelegates as a side effect of some other position they hold: member of Congress, former president, DNC member, etc.


[ Parent ]
Now We're Getting Somewhere (0.00 / 0)
Honest, I'm just looking for information. Until today, I never heard of an "add-on superdelegate," so I am genuinely curious about it. You say they are "selected by the states." What do you mean?

Can you give an example? Thanks much.


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Delegate selection (0.00 / 0)
The DNC rules are here. There's also a useful table at the end of the call for the convention. For rules specific to a state, you'll have to check the individual state's delegate selection plan, which you can often find on the website of the state's Democratic Party.

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My Computer Gives Me An Error Message (0.00 / 0)
"Could not launch Acrobat." Oh well. I'm not sure I wanted to read the whole document anyway. I'm just trying find out what these "add on superdelegates" are. I know that you've got a bunch of people who are superdelegates by virtue of being elected officials and/or party elders, but I hadn't heard of this "add-on" category until today.

I don't need to Encyclopedia Britannica definition, and any appearances notwithstanding, I'm not trying to be difficult. I'm just confused, as is sometimes the case.


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PA poll (0.00 / 0)
Chris -- that new PA poll is actually 51-41, a 10-point Hillary lead. Here's the Muhlenberg report:

http://www.muhlenberg.edu/stud...

(Unless I'm sowehow reading it differently)


What's going on in Texas? (0.00 / 0)
http://www.burntorangereport.c...

popular vote 70% Clinton and 30& Obama

delegates assigned 90% Clinton and 10% Obama

HUH!


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