Popular Vote: How big a margin does Clinton need?

by: fladem

Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 15:00


A fundamental concern with the current nomination fight is the lack of an obvious exit strategy.  How, and when exactly, is this race going to end?  Interestingly, though,  I  think this race is much closer to ending than is widely thought.   The Clinton campaign has, in its desperation, argued that the popular vote should be the standard for evaluating who should win the nomination.  As I have written previously, I think this is absolutely the wrong standard to apply.  Pledged delegates is clearly the correct standard.  But if you examine the remaining contests it is becoming increasingly obvious that Obama is in position to claim a popular vote victory on May 6th.  

The table below shows the current popular vote and my projections for the remaining contests.  I have used the realclearpolitics calculations to estimate the popular vote in the caucus states that did not report popular vote totals.    Right now Obama holds an 827 thousand vote lead without Florida, or a 539 thousand vote lead if you include Florida.  For Clinton netting at least enough votes in the remaining contests to take the lead in the popular vote is a pre-requisite for making any reasonable claim for the nomination.    As my table shows, however, Clinton right now is likely to fall far short of the votes needed to win the popular vote.    As it also shows, if the current projections  in Pennsylvania, North Carolina and Indiana hold she will have  to win the contests after May 6th by nearly 30 percent in order to win the popular vote, a practical impossibility given that she trails by 10 in Oregon.

Obviously the question everyone is asking today is how much does Clinton need to win by?  From a popular vote perspective, the answer is not in terms of popular vote, but rather in terms of how many votes she needs to net.  As I show below, if you build a best case scenario for Clinton which projects her vote based on the best poll result for her in the remaining contests, she nets 156,989 votes.  This means she would need to net 382,232 votes tomorrow.  Here is the math:
Obama Lead including Florida 539,141
Clinton net assuming best poll
in states after PA
156,989
Margin required in PA to catch Obama 382,232

This table shows the relationship between turnout and Margin of Victory.  In order to get close to the roughly 380,000 margin Clinton will need to win by 15 on heavy turnout (my own prediction is for turnout of 2.2 million which is on the high side)  

My projections for the rest of the contests are on the flip...

fladem :: Popular Vote: How big a margin does Clinton need?
This table shows the current projections for all of the remaining contests.  What this table shows is the importance of North Carolina.  Right now Obama is likely to net as many votes out of North Carolina as Clinton is likely to net out of Pennsylvania, making it almost impossible for her to win.  On the right of the table I have calculated the current best case for Clinton.

The methodology I used for predicting turnout is here.

One of the most important lessons of this primary fight is to use caution in any projection.  At each stage of this process there has been more volatility than anticipated.  In this spirit, the calculation below is a best case scenario for Clinton that would enable her to catch Obama with the current projection for Pennsylvania.  In this scenario Clinton cuts Obama's lead to 2 in North Carolina, and blows him out by 15 in Indiana (where she currently trails by 5 is some recent polling).


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Hillary Who? (4.00 / 1)
its over after NC and Indiana when the Dem party and the media finally have enough courage to tell Bill Clinton its over.

Michael Bloomberg, prince of corporate welfare

Wither P.R.? (0.00 / 0)
there is one recent poll: C 50 O 37
http://www.pollster.com/08-PR-...

but admittedly, no great way to estimate turnout.

one metric you could use is a percentage of the total votes--1,959,553--in the 2004 U.S. House election:

Luis Fortuño (PNP/R) 48.52%
Roberto Prats (PPD) 48.03%
Edwin Irizarry Mora (PIP) 2.84%

page 150 of FEDERAL ELECTIONS 2004 PDF
http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/fe20...

Even a turnout of 900,000 could net Clinton over 100,000. And if she does very well in her states (as per your chart), she could really gain momentum and easily net 200,000, maybe a lot more.


PA Predictions (4.00 / 1)
In PA, I did an analysis for turnout which referenced yours.

Here's a PA google spreadsheet for PA turnout, anyone can feel free to link to it as PocketNines' PA turnout link.  http://spreadsheets.google.com...

Here's the diary I wrote on it: http://www.dailykos.com/story/...


Interesting (0.00 / 0)
I have spoken with people who think my turnout estimate is too high..  

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Nice Exercise In Math (0.00 / 0)
But in the end, for better or for worse, it is the Supers who will decide in spite of dedicated delegates or popular votes.

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A big PA win would potentially give Clinton some free media (0.00 / 0)
and some momentum, no?  So, there is a chance she could beat her best poll in a few of the states to follow PA

Yeah, maybe she could climb back above "Likable Enough" (0.00 / 0)
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Oh my funny mistake! (0.00 / 0)
Wrong year, that was April 2007 when things were looking much better for her. LOLs and LOLs!

this April's Likable Enough poll results:
http://www.mercurynews.com/pol...

Michael Bloomberg, prince of corporate welfare


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If we're constructing best case scenarios to determine when it's over (0.00 / 0)
then we shoudl make them actual best-case scenarios.  Post PA momentum is plausible, depending on what stupidity the press tries.

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