Obama Denounces Wright, Shifts Media Strategy

by: Chris Bowers

Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 15:16


From the Politico:

"I have spent my entire adult life trying to bridge the gap between different kinds of people. That's in my DNA, trying to promote mutual understanding to insist that we all share common hopes and common dreams as Americans and as human beings. That's who I am, that's what I believe, and that's what this campaign has been about," Obama said.

"I am outraged by the comments that were made and saddened by the spectacle that we saw yesterday," he said.(...)

"The person that I saw yesterday was not the person that I met 20 years ago," he said. "His comments were not only divisive and destructive, but I believe that they end up giving comfort to those who prey on hate, and I believe that they do not portray accurately the perspective of the black church."

"They certainly don't portray accurately my values and beliefs," he said.

"If Reverend Wright thinks that's political posturing, as he put it, then he doesn't know me very well and based on his remarks yesterday, I may not know him as well as I thought either."

"I gave him the benefit of the doubt in my speech in Philadelphia, explaining that he has done enormous good in the church," he said. "But when he states and then amplifies such ridiculous propositions as the U.S. government somehow being involved in AIDS; when he suggests that Minister Farrakhan somehow represents one of the greatest voices of the 20th and 21st century; when he equates the U.S. wartime efforts with terrorism - then there are no exuses. They offend me. They rightly offend all Americans. And they should be denounced, and that's what I'm doing very clearly and unequivocally here today."
"It is antithetical to my campaign. It is antithetical to what I'm about. It is not what I think America stands for," he said.


It is a jarring juxtaposition to hear a candidate denounce his own pastor while simultaneously talking about the need for mutual understanding and to bridge the divides between people. Denunciatiing while promising unifying feels like a logical contradiction, or at least a rhetorical one.

This also seems to represent a broader strategic shift in the Obama campaign. First by ending a longstanding boycott of Fox News, and now by denouncing Jeremiah Wright after eloquently defending him just six weeks ago in a speech that was read around the world. The campaign now appears to be caving to right-wing attacks it once parried and refused to back down against. Really, it is kind of sad, since Obama's previous willingness to not throw his allies under the bus in public and to not appear on right-wing propaganda outlets was, in my opinion, a much better example of bringing people together than the new tactics we are witnessing. Right-wing attacks against Jeremiah Wright are actually far more importnat in dividing the country than the likes of Jeremiah Wright himself.

Update: For the sake of clarity, no, I did not see what Wright said yesterday. Why should I have? I find the focus on that sort of thing idiotic. I know it is the stuff the press covers all the time, which sort of makes it important, but it is still idiotic. Worse still, those are the sorts of stories that are actually and regularly used to enflame identity and cultural divisions in America.

Maybe Wright had it coming to him--I honestly don't know. What I do know is that these sorts of divisive attacks against people associated with candidates are a longstanding media tactic. I am more interested in seeing someone push back against those attacks, which Obama had been doing, than in accepting their basic premise, no matter how legitimate the attack might appear in any given circumstance. Arguing over the credibility of any individual attack feels like missing the forest for an individual tree. While campaigns are pretty much forced to always deal with the individual, short-term attacks, none of this will change until someone takes on the larger problem.

Update 2: Since my take on this story is abstract and not wedded to the specifics of Wright's comments over the past couple of days, check out Bob Herbert if you want a good, specific , pro-Obama smackdown on Wright.

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Honestly, can you blame him? (4.00 / 8)
Did you even read what Wright said yesterday?  It was utterly appalling.

If he would have left it at the Moyer interview (3.50 / 8)
it would have been fine.  Yesterday was ridiculous.  He caricatured himself.

[ Parent ]
Exactly - totally Wrights fault. (0.00 / 0)
I have no idea what his problem is, but yesterday I bothered to call up the Obama campaign to urge them to get that guy under control. Wright is now in a dual with Bill Clinton for worst campaign ally ever.

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There's no comparison (4.00 / 1)
Bill Clinton isn't out there trying to take down his candidate, trying to redo the damage and acting in an outright hostile manner toward his supposed ally.  

You can't even compare the two.


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Exactly! (4.00 / 2)
Obama stood by him for a long time. Yesterday, Wright tried to sink him. Enough is enough! Obama did the right thing.  

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This is the problem--Wright made it personal (4.00 / 2)
Chris' post is off the point because he has not seen what Wright said since the Moyers interview.  Chris' point would have been valid at that point, but not since yesterday.  Wright was so off the wall in some respects and so calculatedly unhelpful, that he put Obama in a bind.  It was the bitch slap theory of politics but practiced by Wright, who seemed determined to drag Obama down.  (Obama understands that, and that's why he placed Wright firmly in the camp of supporting division and hate.)  

If Obama didn't distance himself from Wright after the Press Club speech, he really, really risked appearing weak and unable to stand up for himself, and even not being sincere in his abhorrence for the politics of division.  This is not in contradiction to his "unity" theme, since he's not running to replace Jesus Christ (turn the other cheek) but to replace George Bush.  The whole idea behind Obama's unity idea is that everyone can be listened to, so long as they are reasonable.  But when they become obstructive, then he can legitimately marginalize them as not really wanting to be part of the solution.  He had to do that to Wright, because Wright was deliberately trying to tear him down.  

Between Bill Clinton, who doesn't want Obama to become the new head of the Democratic Party, and Wright, who doesn't want Obama to succeed in a white world and overshadow him too, Obama has sure got reverse Oedipal problems here.  For such a mild-mannered guy, he really threatens some people.

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Too Late (0.00 / 1)
Obama tied himself to Wright's hip weeks ago and the media is setting it in stone.

The RW Noise Machine is doing their part too. Obama is done. Kiss the WH goodbye if he gets the nomination. The guy is damaged goods going in.

Let him go back to the Senate and eat elite Arugula salads.

Arugula! Does the guy even think before he opens his mouth? Take him off his scripted speeches and he implodes. No wonder he doesn't want to debate anymore - he fails at anything else but scripted speeches.


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link (0.00 / 0)
anyone have a link to Wright's comments?  All I saw was The Daily Show's clips last night (which seemed surreal)

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all over CNN and CSPAN (0.00 / 0)
watched the debacle last night - its a campaign nightmare.

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Soledad O'Brien/Roland Martin Analysis? (4.00 / 1)
I've been watching the videos today, and I'm afraid I'm unable to see what the media, as well as the Obama campaign, is getting into such a tizzy about regarding the Wright appearances.

Check the analysis by Soledad O'Brien and Roland Martin following the NAACP appearance:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITI...

They're not offended at all - They say that taken in whole context, and not in soundbite as so many people (including possibly Obama) are seeming to do, Rev. Wright's motivations and explanations are perfectly clear and reasonable, and I have to say I agree with them.  I listened to the speeches - Yes they are emotionally expressive, but no more so than those  by rightwing fundamentalist mega-church preachers.  And yet who is receiving more damning criticism in the media?  

And Obama plays right into it - now denouncing the very culture and platform that has constituted so much of his campaign?  And at the very least - the right to defend oneself against public criticism?

I agree with John Stewart on this one:  "If I had a rabbi who brought that much game, I wouldn't have spent this Passover neck-deep in bacon and cheese croissandwich"

Don't hate on the passion.


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One rarely gets to see such smugness on display (0.00 / 0)
Mr. Wright clearly things pretty highly of himself and is acting with complete disregard for Obama. And if Mr. Wright is more concerned with Black ascendancy in American culture then the tenor of his own bombasticism he certainly would not be putting on the show he is. Mr. Wright is what one might call a real douche bag. Jesus christ, we talking about control of the most powerful government seat in the world and Obama's supposed to be concerned with Mr. Wright's fundamental right to defend ones self from public criticism? Good glory.

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Black Community Rhetoric = Smug? (0.00 / 0)
Wanna examine the racial underpinnings of that assumption?

I think if Obama was stronger in the principles that are supposedly guiding his campaign platforms, he wouldn't concern himself with Mr. Wright's appearances at all.


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Did you watch Wright at the NPC? (0.00 / 0)
it strikes me you did not. if you have, and I mean in full, then we can talk about it. if not, then not. The smug charge stands, it has nothing to do with being black, is has to do with being narcissistic to the point of self defeating.

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I've seen the NPC speech in it's entirety (4.00 / 1)
and I can see the awkwardness in it, but as MightyHouse points out down thread, the entire orchestration of the situation, including the presentation of the questions, seems to me to illustrate the precise point of Wright's whole speech:

that the mediator (and possibly the white audience who would view this speech as well) is obviously unused to engaging with this rhetorical style.  When it comes down to it, by and large white people don't know a whole lot about black religious culture, and are more likely to feel threatened by what they don't know and by ("bombastic!") behaviors that fall outside of their accepted social customs.

That's why to me, in this situation, calling an African American "smug" for addressing criticism about their own cultural traditions dances along that dangerous line of "putting the uppity black person in their place" for acting in a way that  from another perspective and experience, might make someone uncomfortable.  

Stormbear actually has a great diary up on the roots of black resistance and religion dating back to the Civil War: Black History: Sing your way to a Contraband Camp.  You should give it a read.


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He doesn't have that luxury. (0.00 / 0)
Unfortunatley.

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Wright (0.00 / 0)
was the only thing I liked about Obama. I thought, "with a man like this in his life, he's going to work out all right."

So much for that.

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[ Parent ]
The word "smug" has racial underpinnings? (0.00 / 0)
Be reasonable.

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I could be wrong... (0.00 / 0)
but I think you're thinking of a different instance..  Sunday Night he gave a speech at the NAACP thing in Detroit that's what CNN is talking about in that above video, but the next day on Monday [yesterday] he did a different press conference or interview thing.  I am not exactly sure which.

The NAACP speech was pretty good, imo, but the other event he was much more outspoken.

At least that's how I understand what happened.  Someone please correct me if I am wrong.

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No. From "Salon", re the NAACP talk, (4.00 / 1)
"His ( Wright's) Sunday night talk to the NAACP was mostly silly, from the questionable science behind his insistence that black children are right-brained (creative) while white children are left-brained (logical and analytical) to his mocking the way white people talk, dance, clap, worship and sing. I understand and agree with Wright's notion that "different is not deficient," but mocking white people, including JFK and LBJ, doesn't seem like the best way to get his point across (yes, he was talking to the NAACP, but he knew -- and relished -- that he had a national audience)."
   

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Video clips (0.00 / 0)
from Sunday night are from the NAACP dinner, and he's wearing a brown suit with a patterned tie.  Clips from Monday morning are from the National Press Club lecture, and he is wearing a black suit with a black (knot) and light-colored tie.  That might help you figure out which speech it was, when viewing the various clips they're playing.

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Link to C-SPAN video (0.00 / 0)
(Looks like these require RealPlayer)

National Press Club hosts Rev. Jeremiah Wright
rtsp://video.c-span.org/archive/c08/c08_042808_wright.rm

Detroit NAACP Dinner Lecture by Rev. Jeremiah Wright
rtsp://video.c-span.org/archive/c08/c08_042708_wright.rm


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Wright asked for this (4.00 / 2)
I would have agreed with you if Obama had made this kind of statement last week, but Wright has proven over the last few days that he will say almost anything to get attnention.  I initially felt sorry for Wright, but now it appears that he actually likes to see his statements replayed endlessly on the air.  It's hard to tell if he is deliberately trying to destroy Obama's candidacy, but it's hard not to see Wright's performance as an act of betrayal  
I happened to listed to some radio stations I normally do not listen to this morning, and all they would talk about was Wright.

I agree 100% (0.00 / 0)
I've been defending Wright for a while now. I've been telling people that his outrageous statements were just hyperbole used in the heat of the moment.

But then, yesterday, he actually tried to back all of those statements up! He's a clown.


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He was egotistical. (0.00 / 0)
Wright must have know this would bury Obama. Obama didn't have a choice but repudiate him in the strongest terms.

It might even help Obama in the long run. Wright can say anything from now on. It would just underline the  differences between them.


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So... what should he have done? (4.00 / 3)
It seems to me that the main gripe that led Obama to "throw him under the bus" was over Wright's suggestion that Obama didn't really mean what he said in his speech on race. He insinuated that Obama is a manipulator and a liar. What would you have done if you were running for office and someone did that to you?

"Caving to right wing attacks" (0.00 / 0)
I guess MyDD and Jerome are on the right now.

Appearing on Fox was plainly (4.00 / 1)
idiotic.

But this seems different to me. From the excerpt I read, Wright appears to have gone from hare-brained into brain-dead, with a brief stop at antisemitic. Denouncing that isn't kowtowing to the right; refusing to defend that isn't a principled stance. From what I read (and granted I've been mostly ignoring this whole thing for weeks) Wright stepped over a line from defensible to in-.


Or...not (4.00 / 6)
Chris, you're correct about a lot of things, but maybe not in this instance?  I saw a lot of pain in that speech, it was difficult for him to give it.  Obama seemed conflicted and he's in a terrible position walking such a very narrow tightrope, but he successfully repudiated Wright, and I thought he did it with dignity.  These last two days Wright doesn't seem to give a shit about anyone other than Wright.  I think Obama did what he had to.  Obama can't just...ignore this guy out to sabotage him.

Are you kidding??? (0.00 / 0)
Is "AIDS was not created by the government" a right-wing attack?

Is "the United States does not engage in terrorism abroad" a right wing attack?

Those are the things that Obama was responding to. And it's pretty clear that Rev. Wright was ACTIVELY attempting to scuttle Obama's candidacy.

You really need to rethink this one, Chris.


I have a hunch... (4.00 / 1)
Chris might not have seen some of the stuff from Wright's appearance yesterday; that type of grandstanding was inexcusable.  

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Agreed ... (0.00 / 0)
Chris is completely missed the boat on this one!

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Terrorism (4.00 / 1)
Is "the United States does not engage in terrorism abroad" a right wing attack?

Rightwing or leftwing, it's a lie.


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Putting Wright in context (4.00 / 1)
I was almost sick yesterday watching the coverage of Rev. Wright's speeches, but this morning I was coming around to the view that the performance helped people put him in perspective.  The NY Times coverage got it about right when it said:

Now it turns out that Mr. Wright doesn't hate America, he loves the sound of his own voice.

I was thinking that the speeches helped people see that he was less Malcolm X than Roger Clinton or Billy Carter, but with Senator Obama's press conference today denouncing the caricature-like performance and outrageous statements we saw over the last few days from Reverend Wright, maybe the more apt analogy is centuries older:

Enter the KING and his train, the LORD CHIEF JUSTICE among them

Falstaff. God save thy Grace, King Hal; my royal Hal!

Pistol. The heavens thee guard and keep, most royal imp of

Falstaff. God save thee, my sweet boy!

Henry V. My Lord Chief Justice, speak to that vain man.

Lord Chief Justice. Have you your wits? Know you what 'tis you

Falstaff. My king! my Jove! I speak to thee, my heart!

Henry V. I know thee not, old man. Fall to thy prayers.
How ill white hairs become a fool and jester!
I have long dreamt of such a kind of man,
So surfeit-swell'd, so old, and so profane;
But being awak'd, I do despise my dream.
Make less thy body hence, and more thy grace;
Leave gormandizing; know the grave doth gape
For thee thrice wider than for other men-
Reply not to me with a fool-born jest;
Presume not that I am the thing I was,
For God doth know, so shall the world perceive,
That I have turn'd away my former self;
So will I those that kept me company.
When thou dost hear I am as I have been,
Approach me, and thou shalt be as thou wast,
The tutor and the feeder of my riots.
Till then I banish thee, on pain of death,
As I have done the rest of my misleaders,
Not to come near our person by ten mile.
For competence of life I will allow you,
That lack of means enforce you not to evils;
And, as we hear you do reform yourselves,
We will, according to your strengths and qualities,
Give you advancement. Be it your charge, my lord,
To see perform'd the tenour of our word.
Set on. Exeunt the KING and his train



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It pains me to say this... (0.00 / 0)
...but you know...I get the feeling that Rev. Wright actually DOES hate America. Or at least he's very angry at America. I don't exactly blame him (he served this country then came home and was treated with contempt), but it's definitely not something that Barack Obama should associate with...

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thats a great line from the NYTimes /nt (0.00 / 0)


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What Wright said yesterday (4.00 / 4)
was candidacy-killing lunacy. This was a hanging curveball over the middle of the plate and Obama took a swing.

Now we just have to hope Wright doesn't have photos of Obama in Black Panther garb.


exactly (0.00 / 0)
What has me worried is that rev. Wright is now going to lash out at Obama with some sort of secret stuff...

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I think it's all but guaranteed (0.00 / 0)
that he'll fire back with something. Obama wins if this evidence is in the same ballpark as the stuff we've learned so far -- ministered the wedding, visited each others' houses, etc. If, on the other hand, Wright can convince America that Obama knew all about Wright's lunacy, then that'll hurt somewhat. If Wright can somehow convince America that Obama agreed at any point with these sentiments, then he's in big, big trouble.

Good news for Obama: Wright has morphed into the best enemy a politician could have. Bad news for Obama: Wright might have the goods on him.

Time will tell but it's times like these that I remind myself that Obama is a remarkably skilled politician.

So I remained chillaxed.


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It was downright fatalistic ... (0.00 / 0)
It had no value to the Obama campaign.  Even when Wright attempted to sort of downplay Obama's role in his thinking with that blurb about also "going after" Obama when he becomes the president was a lame attempt to redirect attention.  Wright has no place in the campaign and he should stop trying to have a political voice--he is incompetent in these regards.

I have defended Obama's earlier statements and supported his effort to distance himself from Wright's statements while preserving his relationship with the man.  But now, Wright's continued insistence on having a voice in this campaign has changed everything, and I am glad Obama is now distancing himself from the man.


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Seriously dude, this wasn't orchestrated.... (0.00 / 0)
I think it is quite possible that Obama is tacking to the right at the moment, but repudiating Wright today is a separate issue.  Have you looked at/watched Wright's comments in front of the press on Monday?  Obama absolutely had to get back out in front of this story -- if he hadn't, it absolutely could have buried him.    

while we are arguing and accusing (0.00 / 0)
is this the blogs working with the Obama talking points? seriously, Wright was a total idiot yesterday and for that Obama gets accused of using Right-wing attacks.

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The MOST Common black on black crime: Crab-attacks (0.00 / 0)
I'll stand my ground here - this is (to me) nothing but crabs in a barrel syndrome.  One black man just can't stand to have another one succeed.  He had to have his day in the sun - at Obama's expense.  We can call this all sorts of names, but I call it black on black crime and I'm sickened by it.  I am THRILLED that Obama spoke out against Wright - since it seems that Wright has declared war on Obama's candidacy JUST because he MIGHT succeed.

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asdf (0.00 / 0)
Any respect I ever had for Obama is now gone. Some new way of politics he's promoting, huh? So much for hope and change...  

Yes, I am a proud supporter of Hillary Clinton.


I'm sure Obama was just on the cusp (4.00 / 3)
of getting your support too.  Shucks.

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It sounds like nothing has changed, for you (0.00 / 0)


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Oy vey (4.00 / 9)
So i guess this is Obama cant do no right week on OpenLeft isnt it ?
It IS a problem to critize Obama for criticizing Wright for remarks you have not even read about.
It is called a knee-jerk reaction and it is silly. It is not because attacks partly come from the right-win that they should be dismissed entirely.
It was necessary because it was the right thing to do and because it was doing real damage.
I know you are pissed at the Fox thing but to draw from there that everything Obama does is a cave-in to the right wing is ridiculous

In response to the update: (0.00 / 0)
No: You seem unable to see that the "tree" constituted by Wright's Monday comments could have fallen on Obama's head.  Sure, in general, candidates should push back against attacks on their supporters/friends, but that general principle shouldn't be taken so far as to prevent a candidate from heading off a campaign-ending controversy.  

Moreover, I genuinely think that Wright shouldn't be considered an Obama supporter at this point.  He clearly was freelancing over the weekend and on Monday, and basically called Obama a pandering liar when he spoke about Obama's speech in Philly.  I'm not going to psychoanalyze the man, but suffice it to say, he was definitely sabotaging Obama's campaign.  

So tell me again what Obama should have done?  


you are living in a paralell (4.00 / 1)
dimension chris.  just because you want something to be, does not make it be.  its nice to pretend these things aren't going on but all you are doing is pretending.

wright threw obama under the bus yesterday, and i'm sorry, i don't know about you, but after defending someone and then having that person screw me, fuck them, they're done in my book.  


Oh that makes sense (4.00 / 1)
why read what you are writing and making accusations about, what a silly thing to do. my goodness Chris, you can't really be serious.

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This is a disaster (0.00 / 0)
Wright is destroying Obama's candidacy for no apparent reason. At this rate he's going to have to drop out before May is over.

Obama can't run this guy over the bus enough.

I take back everything nice I ever said about Wright.  


As someone who also only saw headlines today (0.00 / 0)
I can say that the impression this whole business gives off is  "Obama once embraced his pastor, now denounces him," which is going to be a crucial element in making him look like a flip-flopping hypocrite.  I was with my pastor before I was against him.

The circumstances that brought us here are very regrettable.  I agree with Chris' point that the best strategy is not to denounce or defend Rev. Wright, but to call bullshit on this whole perverse enterprise.  And that is true regardless of the content of Wright's comments this week.

In any case, this is all a big ploy to distract us from Iraq, the economy, and the rule of law.


Unquestionably, the whole Wright thing (4.00 / 2)
is a made-up, bullshit issue, not worthy of discussion in a presidential campaign, but if, after Wright's antics yesterday, Obama had tried to change the subject, he would have appeared to be either dodging the issue (thus appearing weak),  or condoning the behavior and the message on the other (thus appearing scary).  This way, he's addressed the issue forcefully, just as he did initially with the Philly speech, and can justifiably move on to more important matters.  

True, his statement today differs from the sentiments expressed in the Philly speech, but circumstances changed yesterday, when Rev. Wright attempted to out-Sharpton Rev. Al himself, while personally insulting his former congregant along the way.

(You really do need to see or hear Wright's remarks.  
On the other hand, your reaction is instructive to the extent that it reflects the reactions of others with low info on this matter).


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Thanks (0.00 / 0)
Great comment response.

I'd just like to see us escape this freaking morass.  It's so stupid.

I don't necessarily think that Obama should "change the subject," but do that whole "let us rise above" thing that he does so well.

Stupid, stupid, stupid.


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A theory (0.00 / 0)
Has anyone entertained the possibility that the Wright comments were orchestrated so that Obama can look reasonable to both sides when he throws Wright under the bus and tries to put this issue to bed?  See the line "...not the person that I met 20 years ago".  

If I were Wright, I'd have no problem setting myself up as the sacrificial lamb if it can make Obama look more reasonable to middle white America.  This smells to me like Kabuki theater.

I suppose you could argue that Obama is caving in to right wing pressure, but he's got to tack to the middle now to get ready for November.  This seems like a reasonable move to me, politically speaking.


Criticism Off-Target (4.00 / 1)
While I agree with a great many of Chris' opinions here at Open Left, I must strongly disagree with his contention that Obama is "caving to right-wing attacks" over today's Rev. Wright press conference. Not everything in a campaign is about framing the issues, and while I agree that Obama can get a bit too cozy with the right (his Fox News appearance was a mistake), this issue has become personal due to Rev. Wright's inflammatory performance over the weekend at an NAACP dinner.

There is no doubt that Obama's eloquent and honest speech on race was a high-point of his campaign, and he deserves plaudits for not throwing Rev. Wright under the bus at that time. But the measured, more adult approach has not made this issue go away, and Rev. Wright did indeed throw Obama under the bus this weekend, in a complete show of naked ego and unbridled disrespect. As such, Obama has done the right thing by completely repudiating his former pastor (although he could have been even more forceful about it).

Indeed, if Obama isn't willing to stand up for himself, then how are the American people going to believe that he will stand up for them? Let us not forget the lessons of previous elections when the Democratic candidate was perceived as "weak." Have we forgotten that the Kerry campaign tried to stay above the fray in 2004 after the "Swift Boat" attacks first surfaced? How did that strategy work out for us? It's fine to try to push back against the media attacks on the people associated with the campaigns, but once it becomes personal (as it has in this case), the candidate must fight back.

I say: kudos to Senator Obama!  


Wright was trumpeting Right Wing Talking Points (4.00 / 1)
Obama had to respond to Wright's comments yesterday in part because Wright himself started trumpeting right-wing talking points, claiming Obama was only criticizing his objectionable comments and different with Wright with his views on race in America for the sake of political expediency.  

It got to the point where Wright wasn't just saying some controversial stuff that Obama shouldn't be at all associated with, but some stuff that was directly hostile to Obama and his central campaign message.  Those type of comments definitely warrant this type of response.


I'm not feeling the update either (4.00 / 2)
Obama's big speech a few weeks back was the right thing to do politically, since it was consistent with his overall message/identity.  The guy was his pastor for many years, so throwing him completely under the bus just because of some comments he had made several years ago would have been overly cynical, and thus not particularly credible as something for Obama to engage in.  Denouncing some of Wright's specifically inflammatory remarks while defending his numerous contributions to his congregation was convincing as what Obama really believed.

But for Wright to keep saying some of this nutty stuff while specifically dismissing Obama's speech as "political posturing" was a bridge too far.  I'm not sure what a fair standard would be for allowing something like that to pass without firing back.  Surely a candidate can't be expected to refrain from criticizing anyone who could be associated with himself/herself.  Just because the media likes to play stupid gotcha politics with this stuff doesn't mean that all such instances are substance-free gotcha lameness.  


Some People Will Never Be Satisfied (4.00 / 1)
Yesterday, you said that Obama had to come out and denounce Wright and do it strongly. He does, and now you criticize him for doing it as 'right-wing talking points' and describe him as caving into right-wing talking points?

The fact is, had Wright stayed out of the spotlight this would have been nothing more than a Fox-fueled non-story, which it had become. That Wright first decided to step into the spotlight and then essentially backstab Obama seems to be lost on you - this in spite of the fact that this is exactly what YOU had been asking him to do after Wright did what he did.

This entire thing is a distraction and everyone knows it, including and perhaps especially you. Stop poking at the scab and let's let it lie once and for all.


Somerby has a good post on the Wright Matter today, too (0.00 / 0)
He claims that Wright was going to be a part of Obama's kick-off event back in Feb '07, but was axed at the last minute because of a  Rolling Stone profile of Wright that was about to come out.

That tells me the campaign knew Wright was eventually going to present a problem for them, yet appeared wholly unprepared when it finally did...more than a year later. That is some kind of unprepared if you ask me.


Wrong on Wright (0.00 / 0)
Chris,

I appreciate and respect your work, but I have to say you're wrong on this one. Sure, the circus around Wright is BS. But it's BS that makes it onto the airwaves. Left to fester, Obama would be tarred with Wright's ridiculousness, fair or not. He had to come out and respond vigorously. He'd a been a fool not to. And come November, we'd be talking about how we wished he would have denounced Wright more forcefully.

I do agree that going onto Fox News was a stupid slap in the face to his supporters and the progosphere. But cleaving himself from Rev. Wright was exactly the right thing to do.  


Uhhhh (4.00 / 6)
For the sake of clarity, no, I did not see what Wright said yesterday. Why should I have?

Okay, wait. You're attacking Obama for repudiating Wright's comments. But you don't think it's relevant or important for you to know what the comments Obama is repudiating were? You think Obama should have pushed back on media attempts to use Wright's words to divide Wright from Obama, completely regardless of what Wright's words actually were?

In short, you're saying that Obama must remain loyal and uncritical of people close to him even when he disagrees with what they're doing, because doing otherwise is bad media framing or something? For someone who spends most of his time criticizing Democrats (for example, Sen. Obama), you seem to have a dim view on internally targeted criticism within the left. :|

If there's a problem with Obama attacking Wright's statements, it's because Wright's statements were right. If what Wright said was wrong, then there is not a problem. I have a problem with Obama's repudiation myself to the extent that some of the things Wright said and which Obama appears to be repudiating, I agree with. But you are literally arguing that people on the left can't publicly attack other leftists from the apparent right even when they descend into AIDS denial! This way lies madness.


Chris now you are just being stubborn (4.00 / 1)
You aren't a babe in the woods.  Clearly, if YOU were a candidate for president, and Wright had did what he did, which was basically not give a flip how what he did affected Obama, you would have done what Obama did today.

Now, regarding the using a pastor to discredit a candidate? Does it mean that it's a rightwing talking point? Sure, I get that.  But to call it premeditated or "part of a larger shift", is simply unfair, and untrue.

Also, this causes more and more issues for the future, for Obama. Since he has pretty much wrapped up the nomination, we will have a weaker candidate, come the fall - either an Obama that backed up into the nomination, or a Clinton that overthrew the pledged delegate count.

Bad either way.


Bob Herbert (4.00 / 1)
It looks to me like Update #2 pretty much repudiates (denounces? rejects?) Update #1, in effect if not in intention.  Herbert's column reads to me like an open plea to Obama to do exactly what he did this afternoon.

Yeah -- it would help a bit w/ credibility issues if you would just (0.00 / 0)
admit that you were wrong on this one.  Saying that your perspective is "abstract" definitely doesn't cut it.  You were talking about the specifics of Obama's actions over the past 3 days.  To say that you are making an "abstract" point here is pretty absurd.

Look, you are right about the Fox news appearance.  And you may be right that Obama is tacking to the right.  But it sure doesn't help you make the case effectively when you equate his appearance on Fox with his most recent presser.  It just makes you look ideological (in the bad way).    


[ Parent ]
What is it with bloggers, once they get more successful? (4.00 / 1)
They stop being able to admit they are wrong, make mistakes.

Although, I guess that is more simply a human trait, than any blogger trait.

Still, it's a shame - Chris used to be able to discuss issues,  and admit faults.  Faults really, should be EXPECTED when you are posting as often as Chris does. No shame in admitting them.


[ Parent ]
I really like (0.00 / 0)
Bob Herbert. He is also an interesting speaker.  I am glad that Update #2 was included......and yes it does look like it was "balancing" out the previous diary.

[ Parent ]
you can't always stand up and fight (4.00 / 2)
It's a good principle to not give in to attacks -- but it's a tactical principle; not one related to the truth or propriety of a specific course of action.  

So I think it's wrong to say that:  "Arguing over the credibility of any individual attack feels like missing the forest for an individual tree"

Missing the forest here would be to keep fighting the Rev. wright "narrative" without addressing your views on the subject.

As Herbert and just about everyone agrees, Wright drew a line in the sand.  It was HE -- not Fox News -- that was challenging Obama.  And Obama was left with few other options than what he did today.


not wedded to the specifics of Wright's comments over the past couple of days (4.00 / 1)
You are criticizing Obama for his reaction to what Wright said yesterday. But you say your comments are abstract - which means you are passing judgement on Obama as if his comments had to do with everything said before hand. When in fact they have nothing to do with what was said before yesterday, but only yesterday. Not to mention your abstraction completely ignores the Philly speech in which Obama eloquently discussed his (now ungrateful) pastor, and you won't read Wrights comments from yesterday out of some sort of smug political superiority. Your position is just patently unfair.

If you would bother to stop and look around you would see Obama's campaign is being torn asunder. Maybe you like Hillary Clinton or feel there is no difference between the two and that the Democratic party can still win with her. But mark this day, if McCain wins you will be able to look back and thank Wright for blowing this whole thing open again at the most crucial time in the primary; and you will have 8 more years to reflect on your political superiority.

Michael Bloomberg, prince of corporate welfare


final straw....(maybe) (0.00 / 0)
but I don't know if we can blame all of this on Wright.  Although he is playing a big part in this farce that is American politics.  

We have always had huge egos, corruption, lying, pandering, strategical dumbfuckery, etc involved in our politics .....but now with immediate access to information and our love of "reality show" confrontation, competition, and media spin our empire has descended into lunancy.

I blame everyone - Obama & Wright, Clinton, the media, republicans, democrats, the American people, blogs, etc.

It is all a huge farce.  I'm gonna go drink, and then focus on changing local government.


[ Parent ]
How bad is this guy really? (4.00 / 5)
If you watch the NPC Q & A - the questions were of the Gibson-Stephanopolis variety - really just an attempt to trash the man. He was there BTW to promote a symposium on the history of the black church when he was met with this barrage of gotchya questions.
On the one hand you might say he's an old coot why doesn't he just step aside for the greater good (i.e. Barack becomes president)  - but on the other hand how would any of us like to be held up to a public humiliation on a national scale? I know it seems terribly disloyal to BO but really the  majority of what he says touches upon the unspoken dark sides of American history and our national psyche of denial - subjects that are apparently forbidden to be mentioned in polite company: slavery, black opression, rich people sending poor people to war, imperalism, the teaching of Jesus as they apply  in international relations......
I'm in the minority here - but I feel for the guy - and I do think he got in over his head and let his hurt and pride get the best of him, but although he has a bent toward exaggeration he speaks a lot of truth.  

if you really care (4.00 / 3)
you shut the hell up and take it for the team, and then you get your voice and agenda heard and actually make a huge difference on the issues you supposedly care about because the kid you mentored is now the FREAKING PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES!

Has everyone forgotten just how much power is at stake here?

Michael Bloomberg, prince of corporate welfare


[ Parent ]
I don't think that power means much... (0.00 / 0)
When you turn around and denounce the very issues that are helping you achieve that power.

[ Parent ]
"What does it profit a man (0.00 / 0)
if he gain the world but lose his soul," eh?

Montani semper liberi

[ Parent ]
the very issues that are helping you achieve that power (0.00 / 0)
you mean promoting some silliness about aids being created by the government? or mocking white people and LBJ and JFK? or labeling you a empty suit? I'm just wondering which of those is the very issue that you think helped Obama rise to power that he's now denouncing?

Michael Bloomberg, prince of corporate welfare

[ Parent ]
The Press Club speech was weird (0.00 / 0)
Specifically, the Q&A just had this weird, surreal quality to it, since the questioner appeared to be about college age or thereabouts (and incidentally was a Caucasian female - probably not helpful for Hillary leaners). She was asking preselected questions and Wright was responding to them, sometimes interjecting something about whoever wrote the questions, but it still had this really uncomfortable air to it.

I don't have enough evidence to conclude for myself whether Wright was deliberately sabotaging Obama or not, but at the very least he should have realized he wasn't preaching to his flock anymore, he was now giving a social/political talk to the media and politically curious viewers. It didn't look like he spent much time considering how to tailor his message for these people.

FWIW, I think Wright has every right to address the media since his name is being thrown around like crazy but he had to realize to engage the media would require a much better thought out communication strategy. Plus if he has any interest in seeing his former parishioner elected, goddammit  would it hurt to wait till 2009?

"I think the economic logic behind dumping a load of toxic waste in the lowest wage country is impeccable and we should face up to that."
-Lawrence Summers


[ Parent ]
Giving Wright a Pass, are you? (0.00 / 0)
Right-wing attacks against Jeremiah Wright are actually far more importnat in dividing the country than the likes of Jeremiah Wright himself.

I understand that you didn't hear him, so in part I can understand why you might think this is true.

But, with all due respect, this is ridiculous.  There's got to be at least a few things that you and right-wingers can agree on.  How on earth is it more damaging for right-wingers to criticize Wright for spreading the "government created AIDS to kill black people" paranoid poison than it is for Wright to say this in the first place?  It's not as if he whispered it.  He said it, repeatedly, in a respected church patronized by thousands, including children.

Do you want to reconsider this knee-jerk remark, perhaps?  


Amazing (4.00 / 3)
Maybe Wright had it coming to him--I honestly don't know.

You admit to being completely and totally uninformed about the subject yet sit back and opine about what Obama's strategy was. You have no idea what the strategy is, because you aren't paying attention. So you just make crap up and then attack Obama over it.

How embarrassing!


making crap up (0.00 / 0)
hmm, isn't that what they do at . . . Fox News?

Agreed.  Chris' post is embarassing.  


[ Parent ]
Wright was asking for it. Perhaps it was intentional (0.00 / 0)
as it allowed Obama to try again to distance himself from something the media wasn't letting him distance himself from.

I'm sure some would love Obama to go down a martyr but it looks like he wants to win to me.  


Don't see the connection (0.00 / 0)
Chris,

I agree with you 100% on Obama's Fox News appearance, but I don't think his denunciation of Wright is connected to that, or indicative of some new strategy. Wright did his best to sabotage Obama's campaign yesterday. In a perfect world, no one would care, but we're still in a trivial media environment and Obama could not afford to brush this off.  Obama was very graceful in Philadelphia speech, even sticking up for Wright when no one wanted him to.  Wright repaid him by going on TV blathering about the government creating AIDS, and saying that Obama was just being a 'politician' with his speech on race in Philadelphia.

I had defended Wright until yesterday, but he clearly did his best to fulfill every Fox News caricature of him.  It's unfortunate, because he is a smart, accomplished person.  However, it's clear he's also in the mood to generate publicity and controversy, which is exactly what Obama's campaign does not need with 2 crucial primaries coming up.


Obama had absolutely no other choice (4.00 / 1)
What Wright did yesterday was an all out attack on Obama and his candidacy.

You do have to see it for yourself.  The transcripts don't tell the whole story.  You have to see the NAACP speech and the press conference speech/Q&A to see for yourself the attitude and the words.

Obama had no choice.


sorry to repeat myself, but this keeps shifting (0.00 / 0)
... and I don't mean that rhetorically.
There could be many valid reasons, but the one I can't stomach is "because it's the truth."  There's a lot of truth out there.

Are you trying to influence Obama?  To what extent is that possible?

Are you saying that our support for Obama this year not only WON'T be as great, but SHOULDN'T be as great?  Focus on congressional races?

Are we bracing ourselves against the pain of Hillary getting the nomination?

Are you trying to unite OpenLeft around a tactical approach to the media?  Not just Fox?  If so, I think you should develop that further.

In part, I don't think we've come to terms with the fact that Obama has a different perspective than OpenLeft. Recall the extent the congressional Democrats were able to block Bush, and could have stopped him dead except for a lack of will when they didn't.  I mean, circa 2004, not when we finally had nominal majorities.

Do you think the Republicans won't react even worse to a Democratic presidency?  Will we be able to nominate a single Supreme Court justice, for instance?  The only thing we can count on (cross my fingers) is drawing down the war, because continuing it requires action -- inaction will kill it.

What kind of governing coalition is possible?  What kind of popular coalition could defeat a hard-core Republican obstructionist bloc?  (The Republican base is not the same as Senate Democrats.)

I've long argued that our strategic focus should be 2010, that our influence over 2008 is questionable.  This just rubs our face in that fact.

As for Wright, he goes under the bus.  Obama proudly and eloquently defended Wright against past statements.  But this is now.  Obama is ripping him for current statements.  Look, if Obama says to Wright, "Hey, I'm running for president, caught in a crossfire between the media and Hillary, and if you're serious about helping me, then lay low and keep your trap shut," and Wright ignores that, flagrantly, then it is Wright betraying Obama in the here and now.  He goes under the bus.  You think Obama is some wimp who can't play hardball?

If you want to criticize Obama, that's fine.  But I would hope it has some purpose other than pouring out the pain of a jilted lover.


"strategery" (0.00 / 0)
I think there's something to be said for the criticism that expending too much mental energy on the presidential race can be detrimental to lefty/blogosphere/movement politics, especially given the media's obsession with (bad) narrative. Some of us are going to focus on that, but I like the idea of focusing on Congressional and local races to build the stable of future progressive stars, and also infrastructure... Expanding the majorities in Congress will either build a real firewall against Bush III (*shudder*) or help push a Clinton or Obama presidency towards more progressive policies.

"I think the economic logic behind dumping a load of toxic waste in the lowest wage country is impeccable and we should face up to that."
-Lawrence Summers


[ Parent ]
Under the Bus (0.00 / 0)
For those (caugh*paul*cough) who thought Obama already threw Wright under the bus: that is what throwing someone under the bus actually looks like.

Just saying.


Well, Obama is trying to get elected president (0.00 / 0)
His goal isn't to reflexively push back against media narratives.

Indeed I like the fact that he considers the actual facts of the situation rather than just reflexively responding to an abstract concept in his own head.

Indeed thats why I think he will make a better president than Hillary.

I think now wright is going to use his 15 minutes of fame to join jesse jackson and al sharpton on the media circuit.

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And to just reiterate what others have said (0.00 / 0)
Wright was personally attacking obama's character in some of this.

Which I think overall is actually the best thing that could have happened.  Wright Sistah Souljaed obama and in truth Obama and wright do not agree so a public division is actually good.  Wright represents the problem that Obama wants solved rather than some sort of secret indicator of obama's beliefs.  So I think Wright's honesty is a good thing overall.

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[ Parent ]
Why Obama must Win (4.00 / 1)
The truth is that Obama is speaking to black people, too -- he's speaking to everyone -- and he is sending a very clear message: enough with the bullshit. Haven't conservatives been waiting for a black leader to do that for, like, forever?

This is the promise of the Obama candidacy, encapsulated and made real. Obama is urging blacks to leave behind, once and for all, the politics of conspiratorial victimhood -- the politics of Jeremiah Wright and, although Obama can't afford politically to say so explicitly, of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton -- and embrace the politics of unity and hope and, ultimately, self-empowerment.


Chris, you yourself... (4.00 / 1)
...are reiterating right wing talking points every time you accuse a Democrat of "caving in" when they don't act, or refrain from acting, exactly as you specify. Your point of view is not the only one in the liberal spectrum. Liberals who oppose Bush, Fox News, and the War are not all of the same mind on how best to pursue their opposition.

The idea that Democrats are scared and weak, that they lack principles, and that they "cave in" under pressure is a meme that the right wing has been pushing for years. When liberals like yourself utilize that accusation against fellow Democrats for your own purposes, it is not only arrogant and condescending, but more importantly, it strengthens and reinforces that underlying right wing meme of liberal weakness.  


Wright had it coming (4.00 / 1)
I did watch the National Press Club speech, and especially his responses to questions at the end. I am pro-Clinton, but I felt Wright was intentionally sabotaging the Obama campaign. There was a hostility in his behavior that was not only directed at the press (and the woman reading the questions), but also at Obama himself.

The entire interplay, from the initial sound bites of Wright, to Obama's speech on race, to the three appearances by Wright that at times seemed to be taunting to Obama, to Obama's press conference today, makes for great drama. Wright did his best to play the "crazy uncle", a buffoon, playing for the laughs of a crowd of supporters that had an incredibly bitter, sarcastic edge.

I think Obama was right. This is a replay of an old politics that we must move beyond, and I was impressed by his speech, his obvious emotion, as he disowned an obviously close connection.

While in some ways health care, the economy, the mortgage crisis, the price of gasoline, is more important, the drama here is important as well. It symbolizes the difficulty we as a nation will have in divesting ourselves -- and disowning -- a past that carries many horrible truths that we don't wish to face.

I'd like to see us be able to move past those truths. I think Obama may be able to help us get there.

I'm  not sure what the political effects of this week will mean, though. To me the all-important goal is to beat McCain...and I still think Clinton is best prepared to do that.


Thank you for speaking up as a Clinton supporter! (0.00 / 0)
You should really come over to our side. After all, you are practicing what Obama is preaching. :-)

[ Parent ]
Chris is right (0.00 / 0)
It is absolutely not necessary for Obama supporters to understand the nature of a controversy before deciding that the controversy unfairly slams Obama, and must be  based on racism or illegitmate right-wing propaganda.  It is never important to understand the nature of criticisms before dimissing the critic.  Isn't this in the manual?

The Real Barack (0.00 / 0)
This debacle highlights Obama's greatest weakness--his extreme reluctance to take any political heat.  He thinks he can bullshit his way out of anything.  

His Philadelphia speech satisfied his media fluffers, but it didn't really address the Wright question.  After today, he looks like a craven flip-flopper, and he STILL hasn't explained why he stayed in Wright's church for twenty years.  (The probable reason is that it gave him a power base in Chicago, but the Republicans won't even have to go there. They'll just hammer him on "judgment" and patriotism, complete with video.)  

Obama and Axelrod should have taken care of this last year. Who knows what Wright is going to throw at them now that he's good and mad.


Chris (0.00 / 0)
I had your back on the Obama-Fox debacle, but this is soft of silly. How can you make judgements on an issue you haven't seen? I mean, the guy didn't just defend himself, he endorsed crazy conspiracy theories, and made racist, mocking statements of white people, individually and in general. He also personally attacked Obama and called him a liar and panderer. Really, I don't see how this is "caving to right-wing talking points." The guy has gone off the looney bin, and seems to just be trying to attract attention to Obama's disadvantage, intentionally. Repudiating him was not caving in to the right-wing, but rational sense.  

Former Edwards Supporter, Obama Supporter since January 30, 2008

Obama is full of himself. (0.00 / 0)
His stated reason for denouncing Wright is, to quote Dowd, "it was Wright showing "disrespect" by implying that Obama was a phony that sparked the candidate's slow-burning temper."

In short, Obama is bugged that Wright isn't kissing his fanny the way everybody else is.

Wright is correct about the disastrous consequences of American foreign policy.
Obama can't run away from this reality fast enough. Does that make you feel safer, folks?

Compared to Obama, Clinton is rational, human, and the soul of integrity.

Our lives are at stake here.  


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