Superdelegate movement

by: tremayne

Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:56


This seems significant. A former Clinton endorser and former chair of the DNC (appointed by Bill Clinton) and former chair of the Indiana Democratic Party, has switched sides. Joe Andrew is endorsing Barack Obama and is encouraging other superdelegates to make the switch.

In an Indianapolis press conference he will so in order to urge his "fellow superdelegates across the nation to heal the rift in our party and unite behind Barack Obama," as he writes in a letter he's sending to superdelegates.

Andrew writes he's switching because "a vote for Hillary Clinton is a vote to continue this process, and a vote to continue this process is a vote that assists John McCain....While I was hopeful that a long, contested primary season would invigorate our party, the polls show that the tone and temperature of the race is now hurting us. John McCain, without doing much of anything, is now competitive against both of our remaining candidates. We are doing his work for him and distracting Americans from the issues that really affect all of our lives."

DemConWatch now has the superdelegate totals at: Clinton: 260, Obama: 243. One month ago it was 246-212 so things are moving fast. More than a dozen superdelegates have been added to Obama or Clinton in the last 4 days. Our recent calls for superdelegate action appear to have been heard.

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Herman "Denny" Farrell is a superdelegate for Hillary Clinton (0.00 / 0)
I saw Denny last night at the NY State Democratic convention.  I asked him how he was listed as uncommitted since I have been under the impression he was supporting Hillary Clinton.  He said...."Oh that blog....what's it's name?" I said "Open Left"  he said "I think it''s another one"

He said please I tell them that I am supporting Hillary Clinton and it's not new"  So from his mouth to your list.

Herman "Denny" Farrell, chair of the NY County Democratic committee, former chair of the NY State party, is a Superdelegate for Hillary Clinton. So tell Dem Con Watch they are wrong....It's 261 Superdelegates for Hillary Clinton.

It makes you wonder how many more and which way the errors go.

I am also a personal friend of Denny's.  You want to personally verify this this ask Matt for my email.  

"Incrementalism isn't a different path to the same place, it could be a different path to a different place"
Stoller


Thanks (0.00 / 0)
I'm working on an updated projection so I will add this info to it.

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It's a 3 -3 superdelegate day (0.00 / 0)
Considering that to the world this Denny Farrell's endorsement is "ner" then today is also a 3 delelgate day for Hillary Clinton.

"Incrementalism isn't a different path to the same place, it could be a different path to a different place"
Stoller


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Denny ANOTHER NY crook (0.00 / 0)
Being a NY'er I remember all his shenanigans so if fiqures he would be for Hillary..........ask him how he helped Ghouliani quash all the4 arts programs in NY from getting the theatres that he helped Ghouliani GIVE to Disney,,,another NEOCON Dem for Hillary  NO NEWS!

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Watch the Clinton surrogates and supporters attack (0.00 / 0)
Andrew all day today. If you walk away from the Clintons, like Richardson did, you can expect to be trashed as a bad person  up one side and down the other. Its sad.  

Blog influence (4.00 / 3)
we're been sort of like kinda discussing left wing blog influence, or lack there of, on the campaign; and Matt was sort kinda upset that the blogs could do nothing to influence the candidates. a few days ago Rep. Ben Chandler endorsed Obama which seemed to go against his constituents in Kentucky. He had hundreds of angry calls. So Dailykos readers came to his rescue, as of this morning they have raise $20,000! for Chandler through ActBlue.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyo...

I bet team Obama noticed.

Michael Bloomberg, prince of corporate welfare


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now if only we could help that poor guy in Mississippi (0.00 / 0)
the one who had to distance himself from Obama, but I guess he wouldn't appreciate it.

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Andrew Was Already listed (0.00 / 1)
as a 'wobbler" according to Sourcewatch. Just google his name and "wobbler" and you will find out a lot.

He is a centrist corporate hugging attorney.

Here is a little about him. He loves restricting competition by merging big companies, especially health care companies:

Andrew has prospered in his career as a Washington-based lawyer who consults for corporations that are regulated by the federal government regarding mergers and acquisitions.

"So much of my business and personal success came after being DNC chair," he said. "I've negotiated deals in excess of $50 billion. The bad days have been in the politics that I supported."
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Andrew has worked on several major U.S. financial transactions, such as the merger of health insurance concerns Anthem Inc. and WellPoint Health Networks Inc., and currently is a partner at Sonnenschein Nath & Rosenthal.

Andrew, who lives in Bethesda, is also chairman of the New Democrat Network, a centrist group. He says he has "no aspirations to be involved in government" but says his financial success in recent years is "making sure that I have the ability to reengage in politics."

So he is chair of the DLC sub-organization the New Democratic Network which is featured on the DLC website.
http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm...

I know that Obama supporters are now famous for ignoring such things like Obama's DLC connections but I mention it here anyway for their subconscious minds to absorb.


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I have now reached the point where all I want to do is win (0.00 / 0)
win win win

I will lie down with thieves, with the dlc and with fox all at once if that's what it takes. I want my president obama!!


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At Last - - - HONESTY (0.00 / 0)


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we've been saying this all along (0.00 / 0)
its not news that at this moment some of us pushing for a focus on getting Obama elected are completely willing to put aside whatever grievances with Obama there may be until after he is elected. at that point the knives can be drawn back out, but the petty war on Obama the past week is self defeating in the larger goal of first getting him elected. he has to be elected to have an influence on him. or you can pick Hillary, but that's not what Chris and Matt have been pushing in their attacks. That Obama critics have chosen to read this as some blind love fest is just selective listening.

Michael Bloomberg, prince of corporate welfare

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Obama's DLC connections? (0.00 / 0)
He specifically repudiated the DLC after they tried to claim him as one of their own, and asked that he be removed from their website.

http://www.blackcommentator.co...
http://www.commondreams.org/vi...

Clinton, however, has and still is a proud DLC leader

http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ka.cfm...

and had Bruce Reed come up with the "change you can xerox" line for the Texas debate.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/...

It's pretty easy to ignore Obama's DLC connections when they, you know, don't exist.  Feel free to retract at any time.

It's also worth noting that simply because someone endorses you doesn't mean that you endorse every single one of their views, and that applies to both candidates.  HRC has had plenty of questionable endorsers (as has Obama), so to act as if this is some kind of indication of anything is intellectually dishonest.


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yes (4.00 / 1)
If you could only except the superdelegate votes of the ethically pristine then it would be impossible for anyone to get a majority of them.

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What's Ethical? (0.00 / 0)
Knowingly voting YES for the lobbyist written Bush-Cheney Energy Bill with it's billions in Oil Company give aways and then going on the stump and saying you are against big oil? All while never mentioning your YES vote? That's ethical?

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Yeah (0.00 / 0)
praising Republican ideas and dissing Democratic ideas on Fox in not DLC like at all.

Telling people that you are going to include Republicans and their ideas in your policy is not DLC like at all.

Running from the label Liberal is not DLC like at all.

No amount of evidence will ever convince you of who Obama is. Instead he is a caricature who you along with his smooth talk formed and nothing nothing nothing can ever change that. He is the Super Heroes Super Hero.

A Republican hugging Black guy is now the new Progressivism.

Fortunately real Progressives know better and we will not allow people to redefine who we are. We know the fallacy of wanting to hold hands with the other side.

As Matt said last night...

Quit Acting Like Babies


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Say it loud (0.00 / 0)
your just below the surface racism is showing LOUD AND CLEAR...you are an abomination...

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No response to (0.00 / 0)
paragraphs 1, 2, ans 3?

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RAISTS have no credibility and don't deserve a response (0.00 / 0)
you should be banned for that last RANT post

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I said nothing racist (0.00 / 0)
Your post didn't respond to the substance of what I said. Instead you resort to unfounded name calling.

And as Paul Rosenberg says of your kind of response...

"You got nothing".


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Don't use Paul to fight your disgusting battles (0.00 / 0)
Paul has more integrity and talent in his pinky than you could even imagine.

NO SALE

And it wasn't name calling it was an observation of your disgusting behavior and rhetoric!


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Still (0.00 / 0)
You got nothing.

An argument where you inject your own meaning into another words are 'nothing' and is a weak strawman argument.

Go call someone else names.


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Meaning SCHMEANING (0.00 / 0)
From the emails I have gotten from other posters they are on to your dog whistles too.....
SO...as they say....pomm neei wheeii!

Last response to you you have been exposed


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Why (0.00 / 0)
introduce his race - "A Republican hugging Black guy" and say he's a "smooth talker."  For a lot of people, that's far too close to "shuck and jive," or any similar phrase, for comfort; you could have made a similar point about how you empty you consider his rhetorical skills without using words like those.

That said, for all of your talk of substance-less posts, you have trouble dealing with facts, so I suspect you're more a liar than a racist.


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Just because your candidate (0.00 / 0)
worked with Republicans on banning flag burning,

unapologetically supports the AUMF,

supported Kyl-Lieberman,

promoted voter suppression in Iowa,

has surrogates who openly and without punishment call Barack Obama a cocaine dealing darling of Prius-driving liberals,

has no problem exploiting non-existent connections to William Ayers and Louis Farrakhan

basically called Barack Obama a tax and spend liberal,

is willing to cast their lot with a "passed the commander in chief threshold" panderer on a gas tax suspension,

doesn't mean that you have license to spread malicious and unsupported lies or make statements with racist undertones.


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another week or so and he'll have the superdelegate lead (0.00 / 0)
I'm wondering if a psychological dam will break when Obama takes the overall superdelegate lead and a large portion of the remaining superdelegates will finally come out in support of him.

Clintons SD's are what is holding up the primary (0.00 / 0)
It is obvious that the Obama SD's have not been reluctant to endorse.  Since Feb 5th, Obama has had a significantly larger number of SD's commit than for Clinton.  

What are they afraid of?

When Clinton SD's start to come out, as we may be seeing now, there will be a flood of Obama SD's sho will commit in response.  For each Obama SD Clinton needs three just to keep pace because of his lead in Pledged delegates.  Samboni has a good summary at this site (updated daily)

http://www.geocities.com/sambo...

Chuck Todd of MSNBC mentioned on April 22nd, the day of the PA Primry, that The race for pledged delegates is over.  If this were an election the networks would have already called it.  Now it is a race for Super Delegates and Obama is shutting the door on that as well.  


Not so fast (0.00 / 0)
I wouldn't say they are coming fast.  45 in a month?  At that rate all of the superdelegates will commit by December.

I'm sorry, but if you are in one of the 40+ states where the voters have already spoken, then not committing by now is just unconscionable procrastination.


Agree with your last point (0.00 / 0)
I am working on a superdelegate update and the number of uncommitted superdelegates without a good reason for being uncommitted has shrunk. The "good" reasons include:

1. State hasn't voted
2. DNC national or state rules require neutrality
3. Party figure heads who follow the rules mentioned above even if they don't have to

Of course there are still more than 150 or so with no good reason or a weak reason (like "I'm running for office and don't want to make anyone mad").


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