Where the Nomination Campaign Stands

by: Chris Bowers

Sun May 04, 2008 at 21:30


Obama Campaign Delegate Count
Type Obama Clinton Edwards Remaining 50% + 1
Pledged 1,494 1,336 19 404 1,627
Super 255 275 0 266 --
MI + FL 184 184 0 0 NA
Total 1,933 1,795 19 670 2,208.5

The Obama campaign has started to keep a running count of superdelegates on its results page. While it does not provide a list of the superdelegate endorsements, the total is still a useful public service. Also, I can understand why they wouldn't want to list the individual superdelegates, given that any errors could cause real problems from them. At this point, I'm fine that they only provide totals.

Some might object that I am not accurately portraying the position of the Obama campaign on Michigan and Florida. While I list the Obama campaign arguing for a 184-184 split of the 368 delegates from those two states, the results page on the Obama campaign website lists each state as receiving zero delegates. However, this is a contradiction from the Obama campaign, not an error on my part. While the campaign lists each state with zero delegates, it has also stated that it wants to see Michigan and Florida both seated at the convention, but with a 50-50 split of delegates. So, the campaign is arguing for 184-184 in some places, and 0-0 in others. Since we all know that both states will be seated at the convention, I will stick with 184-184 for now.

Clinton Campaign Delegate Count
Type Obama Clinton Edwards Remaining 50% + 1
Pledged 1,490.5 1,339.5 19 404 1,627
Super 253 284 0 313 --
Florida 67 105 13 0 NA
Michigan 31 47 5 45 NA
Total 1,841.5 1,775.5 37 762 2,208.5

Clinton has actually picked up a couple of delegates recently, one in Pennsylvania (now projected at 85-73 by Green Papers) and one half in American Samoa (now projected at Clinton 2-1 Obama by Green Papers), for a net of three delegates.

I have also separated out Michigan and Florida in these tables so that they make more sense. The 45 remaining delegates from Michigan will be chosen on May 17th at the state party convention, I believe. At that convention, according to her campaign's count, Clinton will pick up twenty-six more delegates and net at least seven. After that, the Rules and Bylaws Committee will hold a hearing on Michigan and Florida on May 31st. If nothing changes from that meeting, then the Credentials Committee takes over the matter.

Here are the future delegate projections, with the state projections based on current polls:

Democratic Nomination Primary Schedule
State Date O % C % P. Del Obama Del Clinton Del
Indiana May 06 41.9% 48.0% 72 34 38
North Carolina May 06 49.8% 41.8% 115 62 53
West Virginia May 13 27.0% 55.0% 28 9 19
Kentucky May 20 27.0% 63.0% 51 16 35
Oregon May 20 50.5% 41.5% 52 28 24
Puerto Rico Jun 01 37.0% 50.0% 55 24 31
Montana Jun 03 -- -- 16 8 8
South Dakota Jun 03 46.0% 34.0% 15 8 7
Sub-Total June 03 -- -- 404 189 215
Pelosi Club Jun 04 NA NA 6 7 -1
Future add-ons Jun 21 NA NA 51 8 3
Vacant Jun 21 NA NA 6 3 0
Total June 21 -- -- 467 207 217

This brings us to the following, dueling projections:

Type Obama Clinton Edwards Remaining 50% + 1
Obama Total 2,140 2,002 19 211 2,208.5
Clinton Total 2,048.5 1,992.5 37 335 2,208.5

Clearly, under the Obama count, the nomination campaign is effectively over. Obama is still favored even under the Clinton count, since he would only need 46.9% of the remaining delegates to reach the magic number.

Clinton's path to the nomination involves a combination of two rather unlikely steps. First, force a the campaign all the way to the convention by preventing Obama from reaching the magic number under Clinton's most favorable count. This will require both forcing an extremely favorable deal on Michigan and Florida and significantly improving upon her current projected delegate totals in remaining states. Second, it will require her to destroy Obama as a viable general election candidate to such a degree that Obama superdelegates actually start shifting to Clinton. To date, not a single Obama superdelegate has switched to Clinton, so once again this seems extremely unlikely.

The nomination campaign is taking a while, but it certainly seems like Obama is headed to victory, probably sometime in mid-June.  

Chris Bowers :: Where the Nomination Campaign Stands

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the total number of supers in each count is different (0.00 / 0)
in the Obama count, total supers = 820
in the Clinton count, total supers = 850

and isn't the actual full total 845 (795 + 23 FL + 27 MI)?


Fixed (0.00 / 0)
There were some typos and other errors in the super counts, but it is fixed now.  

[ Parent ]
Chris, please give us some insight into the RBC (0.00 / 0)
The Rules and Bylaws Committee will be meeting on May 31st to hear the Clinton side's appeal on Michigan and Florida. As your tables show, Clinton will still be behind in delegates even if we count MI and FL, but by a much narrower margin.

Let's be realistic, her chances are not zero right now. Her chances may be 10% or so, but they will certainly increase if MI and FL delegates count as they stand. I am now concerned about that happening now.

Here is my understanding: If the RBC decides to seat the MI and FL delegates, that decision will stand unless reversed by the Credentials Committee or the full convention. The RBC has 12 Clinton supporters, 8 Obama supporters and 10 undecided member. One of the Obama supporters will have to recuse himself on the vote about Florida, making matters slightly worse.

The above indicates a likelihood that the Clintons might get their way on May 31st. If they do and there is an appeal to the Credentials Committee, we have to remember that 20% dissent is enough to push the issue to the full convention. That makes the appeal meaningless, since the FL and MI delegation would presumably vote on that appeal as part of the full convention and the candidate with the most delegates controls the appeal. In other words, the candidates with the most delegates will decide the outcome of the appeal and nothing will change.

I really hope I'm missing something and looking for your input!


One correction (4.00 / 2)
If the Credentials Committee decision gets appealed to the convention, FL can not vote on the FL appeal and MI can not vote on the Michigan appeal. Now if the RBC doesn't seat any delegations, than neither delegation would be able to vote on the floor on whichever Credentials Committee report is voted on first. If things are really, really close in Denver (I don't think they will be), but if they are (not counting FL/MI), then the RBC decision could be critical, since it sets a baseline on who can vote on the floor of the convention.

DemConWatch

[ Parent ]
I thought that may be the case (0.00 / 0)
That delegates wouldn't be able to vote on their own state either, just like RBC members can't, but thanks for clarifying and summing it up.

It seems like the May 31st meeting deserves more attention than it's getting. I wonder what impact it would have if we try to get the MSM to focus on it... if it would pressure them to seat MI or FL or expose them for potential hypocrisy if they change their votes from the original.


[ Parent ]
It takes only 20% of the Credentials Committee ... (0.00 / 0)
... to dissent from whatever the Credentials Committee decides and issue a minority report that gets voted on by the entire convention. Both candidates already have more than that based on the pledged delegates they've won. So whatever nonsense Hillary might get past the Rules and Bylaws Committee, its fate will be decided on the floor. Since MI and FL won't be seated yet, Obama will handily outnumber her and can dictate whatever terms he likes.

The only thing to be gained from the so-called "nuclear option" is a fig-leaf for Hillary to wear to the convention. If she wants her campaign to die a Viking death there, so be it.


[ Parent ]
Why do you think they won't be seated yet? (0.00 / 0)
That's the critical part. I hope you're right but don't think you are. It was the RBC that stripped the MI and FL delegates and if it now decides to seat them, I would think they'd be seated first and disputed later. That could make a big difference.

I am of course assuming that MI and FL (one, or the two together) would make the difference between who has more delegates.


[ Parent ]
Race to 2025 (4.00 / 1)
One key point is that if Obama hits 2025 before May 31, then he can claim victory. That number is the official DNC number, and it is on every news site.  (e.g., cnn politics.)  

Now, your projections have him at 1898 on May 21, so he would then need 127 superdelegates.  Call it 130.  That would be 45% of all remaining superdelegates, so it would certainly be a move to end the race by a large group.  (Worse yet, some add-ons would not yet be chosen.) It would certainly require good GE polling (like today's CBS/NYT poll) and a win in Oregon.  I wouldn't bet on it, but it can't be excluded now.



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Maybe this stuff on No Quarter will get some legs: (0.00 / 0)

Based on my research, I recommend that Kantor's legal team immediately contact Jamal Brown of Venice, CA (Brown owns a small business that specializes in videos); Dietrich Cusseaux of Spring, TX; JedReport.com out of Las Vegas; Markos Moulitsas, owner of Daily Kos; and the Barack Obama campaign.

Then what?


North Carolina (0.00 / 0)
I think everything hinges on North Carolina. If Obama loses, I actually think he has a hard time winning.  The narrative will run away from him.  But if he wins that and loses Indiana then the war of attrition will continue, but Hillary will run out of time, money, kitchen sinks. Pick one.    

I half-agree (0.00 / 0)
I think that if Obama loses NC, Hillary's odds in the betting markets will shoot up to 50%, if not more. It is however worth looking at how and why that could happen.

To me, that could only happen if there is a large Limbaugh effect to Hillary's benefit. If so, I think things will go badly for Obama till Oregon but he will manage a comfortable win there and the narrative will shift back to his side again.

Of course right now the most likely scenario is a win of 7-8 points for Obama in NC and a similar win for Clinton in IN and I expect it to turn out exactly that way.


[ Parent ]
Coming out of no where (0.00 / 0)
It would be great to see another SC type win.  Either a big one in NC or a small one in IN.  To give the media something really positive to talk about.  

Hopefully the days of suprising wins aren't over for Obama.


[ Parent ]
I'm not too optimistic (0.00 / 0)
What's truly a tossup, is which margin will be larger, Obama's win in NC or Hillary's win in IN. I hope it's the former but think it's really a tossup.

[ Parent ]
popular vote? (0.00 / 0)
Don't we need to also have Obama (excludes Florida and Michigan and has estimates for all caucus states) and Clinton (includes Florida and Michigan with Obama not getting any votes in Michigan and excludes all caucus states) popular vote totals? The pledged delegate fight is basically over already. What remains is really just a fight to persuade superdelegates based on various electability arguments.

Plea to stop counting MI and FL (0.00 / 0)
For as long as I have been on the net, I have counted on Bowers to provide the best, bar none, election data and analysis. However by keeping MI and FL in the count Bowers credibility is at risk.

No one else, no other media or election analyst is using those figures (except maybe the Clintons). NO ONE.

The delegate figure needed to win is 2025.

To use anything else puts you so far out of the mainstream that your analysis and data borders on irrelevant.

Please stop counting MI and Fl in your analysis.  


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