Does It Matter If Clinton Loses Indiana?

by: Chris Bowers

Wed May 07, 2008 at 00:06


The answer to this question is obviously yes, since it will be a crushing media narrative against Clinton that will effectively end the nomination campaign tonight. However, the real answer to the question is no, since a 1% Clinton victory and a 1% Obama victory in Indiana swings only one PLEO delegate, and maybe one or two district-level delegates (or, maybe no district level delegates). The gap between the reality and the media narrative does tell us several things:
  1. The established media was never covering the nomination campaign. The simple fact is that is that the media was never covering the campaign according to the structure and rules of the campaign. The Democratic Presidential nomination campaign is not, and has never been, about "winning" states according to the popular vote of a given state. It is, instead, about winning delegates according to a series of complex rules that are based more on congressional district results and margins of victory than on winning states. They have been covering the wrong concepts all along.

  2. The national polls don't matter. This isn't exactly a news flash, but national polls don't matter in the nomination campaign. Over 90% of the population has already had their chance to vote. The rules for voting vary from state to state, ranging from closed caucuses to open primaries with same day registration. Further, the staggered system means that the country does not all vote at once, so only state polls matter. So, national polls are covering the campaign even worse than the national media is.

  3. The narratives are having little impact. Despite the overwhelming media focus on certain topics, such as Rev. Wright, the truth is that there has not been much movement in the polls over the past few months. Sure, maybe 4-5% here and there, but really 4-5% is extremely small since there is that other 95%-96% of the voting public and that 40-50% that doesn't even vote. In other words, it takes a mountain dropping on a molehill in order to have any impact, and the big stories don't make much of a dent for the vast, vast, vast, majority of the population.

Here is the bottom line: no matter the final popular vote outcome of Indiana, very few delegates will change hands and Obama will remain the overwhelming delegate favorite no matter what happens. This was as true entering tonight as it is right now. That the news media covering the campaign isn't bothering to point this out demonstrates just how detached their coverage, and their metrics, have always been from the actual campaign. In this case, following the idiotic, arbitrary, unrealistic media rules benefits Obama, but overall it means we are still playing by their stupid rules.  

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I'm watching MSNBC... (0.00 / 0)
They have basically called the race for Obama now. If even Timmeh is saying as much, then it's over.

1 delegate! (0.00 / 0)
Hey, those delegates are like gold. Seriously, if a superdelegate could auction their vote to the highest bidder what do you think they could make?  I'm gonna say high 6-figures, maybe low 7.

Haha, too true! n/t (0.00 / 0)


Former Edwards Supporter, Obama Supporter since January 30, 2008

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Back To Projection: Reality Is Boring (0.00 / 0)
The one thing you can say about "the idiotic, arbitrary, unrealistic media rules"--they make for a more exciting narrative.  Whoever wins the latest state, instead of gaining a handful of delegtes net (barely altering the over-all dynamic), now has "the big mo" and is only a hairsbreadth from winning it all... until the next election, of course.

It's exciting!  It's intoxicating!  It's delusional!  It's... like being on drugs!

No wonder they hate DFHs!

Envy.

No wonder they think of us as DFHs!

Projection.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


flip side of the coin (4.00 / 1)
The good thing is, for all the blathering, maybe the media don't really alter the actual, you know, democracy part of the thing so much. At least as far as actual voting is concerned.

I mean, if you just looked at the demographics of IN and NC in mid-April, or mid-March, or mid-February, or mid-January, what would you have predicted? A 14-pt. victory for Obama in NC and  a tie in IN wouldn't have been a bad bet.

Good thing to remember, next time everyone starts getting all twitchy about Wright or bowling. Good thing for Democrats in Washington to remember, especially.


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Mayor McDermott (0.00 / 0)
The Hillarysphere must be loving that CNN is giving all this airtime to the mayor of Hammond, IN, to babble about how Obama is a weak candidate and imply that votes are being stolen in Lake County.

But, but, but... (0.00 / 0)
Resources dry up, enthusiasm dries up, donors don't return calls, bills go unpaid, good money after bad, etc., etc.

In terms of all those things, the media narrative DOES make sense.  Unlike a sports game that continues until the clock does run out, in this game, towels do get thrown in--and the media does narrate, and referee that point.


Utter Humiliation (0.00 / 0)
If Hillary loses IN it's not just over, its over in the most humiliating way, she having to face cameras conceding a loss after declaring victory.

My luck is never this good, but I always get excited.

Michael Bloomberg, prince of corporate welfare


The media rules (0.00 / 0)
make more sense than the idiotic and arbitrary rules of the DNC.



Hmm (0.00 / 0)
As I see it, there is one, and exactly one, important thing in the primary at this point:

What set of events could induce Hillary Clinton to drop out of the primary before the convention?

The important thing now isn't winning-- according to that pesky "structure and rules of the campaign" you mention, Obama's already as good as won. The important thing now is when Obama's campaign, and the left as a whole, will be free to move on from the primary and finally take on McCain.

As far as that goes, elections, or electoral wins, aren't important by themselves-- they're only important if, and to the extent to which, they create a situation where Clinton voluntarily withdraws before the convention.

(Is this being the thing that matters "stupid", or the result of media rules foisted upon us? Maybe, and I think it's worthwhile to make that point. On the other hand maybe we should grant that some set of Clinton supporters clearly have a lot emotionally invested here, and maybe letting the Clinton campaign run as long as it chooses to itself is the best way for those supporters to get catharsis on all this.)

Anyway, if this is what matters, then a win in Indiana-- flopping 49-51 to 51-49-- matters for just one reason: Because Clinton surrogates indicated an Obama sweep today would lead to Clinton dropping out.

But of course, today's primaries could well be "important" in this way even if Obama doesn't specifically win Indiana. Things which might indicate the Clinton campaign might drop as a result of today's primaries include:

- 14% for Obama in NC, 2% for Clinton in Indiana is a dramatic enough event that I think superdelegates will be more than happy to. Obama could have a superdelegate lead by the end of the week. By tomorrow even?

- Obama gaining enough of a popular vote lead today to wash away that one last excuse to keep going Clinton had after PA

- The Obama campaign announcing, with great finality, that they would have a real majority of the pledged delegates by May 20

- Clinton has already cancelled all her public and tv appearances for tomorrow.

These four things-- and the difficulty these four things might make in convincing Clinton's donor base that there's a point in funding things through WV and Kentucky-- apply just as much even if Clinton sticks at 51%...


Media is getting angry (0.00 / 0)
CNN anderson cooper et all are getting angry at the Mayor of Gary in Lake County that they have to stay up late and wait for vote counts.

Michael Bloomberg, prince of corporate welfare

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