Progressive Media USA Decapitation In Perspective

by: Chris Bowers

Fri May 16, 2008 at 01:58


Progressive Media USA was a more important organization to the progressive movement than many people know. For one thing, it employed a large number of progressive movement types with an online focus. Also, even though it was accomplished behind the scenes, it is responsible for a strikingly large number of the anti-McCain stories to appear in the national press over the past six months. Further, it was not meant to just operate during the campaign, but also to fight media pushback against a new Democratic administration in 2009 and beyond.

Basically, it was a very netroots friendly organization doing a lot of very positive anti-McCain work, and was also a potentially important allay of a new Democratic administration. However, at the behest of the Obama campaign senior leadership, it has now been decapitated and decommissioned by Barack Obama's uber-wealthy donors.

At the same time, Progressive Media USA was also a soft-money organization dependent not upon small donations from the rank and file of the progressive movement, but instead upon humungous donations from a few dozen extremely wealthy donors. In other words, the only reason the Obama campaign was able to decapitate it was because its survival was entirely dependant upon buy-in from a few hundred extremely wealthy multi-millionaires. Other elements of the progressive movement that are not dependent upon large donations are doing just fine:

  • Blogosphere traffic has more than doubled over the past six months. Further, new advertising streams are increasing revenue to the point where many more blogs are closer to sustainability than ever before.

  • Unions are still doing fine. Union density continues to increase in the national workforce, as labor organizing is reaching heights it hasn't seen in decades. Unions are dependant upon membership dues in order to operate, not large donations from outside sources. And they still represent more than half of the 20 largest PACs.

  • MoveOn.org and Act Blue, both of which are dependant upon small donations from their members and users, are also doing just fine. As of March 31st, well before the major fundraising of the cycle takes hold in September and October, they had raised a combined $35M, close to their combined receipts in 2005-2006. Respectively, they rank third and fourth among the nation's largest PACs, behind only EMILY's List and SEIU. And they are still both quite new.

  • Another hard money organization, The Democratic Party, is raking in the dough. During this cycle, they have raised money in exact parity with the Republican Party, while in 2005-2006 they faced a 15% deficit.

Across the board, progressive organizations that have never been dependant upon soft-money donations are booming. Obama appears to be exerting significant influence over the livelihoods of soft money organizations dependant on large donors, but otherwise progressive infrastructure is thriving of late.

By cutting off the spigot for Progressive Media USA, the Obama campaign has caused a wedge between "bloggers" and "billionaires" in one instance. Given that Obama skipped the vote to defend MoveOn.org, referred to Daily Kos as boring, and that his campaign has generally been credited with the worst blogosphere outreach of any campaign this season, I won't be surprised if something like that happens again. Clearly, the Obama campaign does not appear keen to work with the online elements of the progressive movement that predated the campaign. However, it isn't hurting online, small donors, and hard-money movement infrastructure in and of itself, it is just hurting the ability of that potion of the progressive movement to expand into the soft money realm. Still, our resources continue to increase apace regardless of this development, and there is more than one way to expand. The soft money route has repeatedly shown that it is dangerous, unsustainable and possibly incompatible for a bottom-up, less control oriented movement. Bloggers don't necessarily need billionaires. We will just have to find another way, just like we always have.

Along with African-Americans, the netroots were one of two groups that made a decisive, pro-Obama shift in January to basically hand him the nomination. Our money, media, activist support in caucuses, and shifting allegiances after Edwards dropped out proved enough to push him over the top. In return, we will receive Obama's excellent telecom policy, which will grow the movement in a way that Clinton's fraudulent telecoms plans might have brought all growth to a halt. However, we will also receive exactly the same sort of top-down control over large donors and infrastructure development that we had actually thought was more likely from the Clinton camp. Clearly, that was a mistake in judgment, since Progressive Media USA would never have met the same fate if Clinton were heading toward the nomination right now. Obama is apparently even more invested in top-down, large donor control over infrastructure than the Clinton's. And Hillary Clinton voted to defend MoveOn.org, too.

Was it the right decision to back Obama? Hard to say for certain, but on balance my guess is still yes. I miss the days when we could play all three top candidates off each other. Unfortunately, that ship sailed the day Edwards failed to win Iowa, and the campaign lurched to the right as a result. It is possible that our increasing separation between large, soft-money donors that his campaign is creating might even prove beneficial for us over the long-term, as we are forced to find more sustainable, broadly based forms of funding. In the extended entry, I close with a quote about the foundation of the Grameen Bank, which started in a rather analogous circumstance. Perhaps the best day of all is when you realize that the powers that be will never really be there to help you, and you are forced to find another, better path.

Chris Bowers :: Progressive Media USA Decapitation In Perspective
[Grameen Bank founder Muhammad] Yunus's first "aha" moment was meeting Sufiya Begum, a twenty-one-year-old mother who fed her family by making bamboo stools. She bought the cane, her raw material, with loans from moneylenders who made her sell back to them at the end of each day. Her profit? Two cents a day.

Soon Yunus and his students had collected a list of forty-two people in straits similar to Sufiya's, and he provided each with a loan out of his own pocket. "My loan of only twenty-seven dollars spread among forty-two people was enough," he tells us. It was enough to liberate them all from bondage to the moneylender.(...)

Where others looked and saw pathetic, hungry people who needed food, Yunus looked and saw resourceful people deprived of resources. To him, it was obvious that more than food handouts, they needed money to invest in tools of production. They needed a way to free themselves from dependency on the moneylender, to free themselves from vulnerability to hunger. Yunus saw credit as the liberator.

"But my loan was an individual response," Yunus says. "It stuck in my mind: What about the bank? This is what they should be doing. This is their job. So I went to the bank and talked to the manager. He was shocked and said, 'No it cannot be done, banks don't loan without collateral.' I told him, 'Look, I've shown that the poor are reliable, they've all repaid as promised. Will you lend to them?"

"We won't believe you until you've tried it in more villages," the banker said.

"Not a problem," Yunus replied, and expanded his informal lending with success. He returned again to the bank. "Now will you lend to the poor?" he asked.

Each time, the manager demanded more evidence; each time, Yunus made more successful loans to the poor.

Ultimately, Yunus threw up his hands and decided that he himself had to create a new kind of bank.

"That bank manager did you a favor, didn't he?" we joke. "If he'd gone along with you, today there would be no Grameen Bank."(..)

"People always ask, 'How did you get these ideas about lending to the poor?' I say: I knew I had to change the institutions themselves, and whenever I didn't know what to do I would look at the banks, and whatever they did, I did just the opposite. Every time I got into difficulty, I would just reverse the way banks do things, and that became the Grameen Bank," Yunus says, taking obvious pleasure in our looks of surprise.

"We have an expression in Bengali: 'You can't expect a mango from a jackfruit tree.' If you want a mango, plant a mango tree."

From Hope's Edge by Frances Moore Lappé and Anna Lappé, p. 108-109


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The forest for the tree (0.00 / 0)
I don't understand why these issues of process seem so much more important to you than the actual content of policies.

And I really really really don't interpret the fact Obama does not want 527s running around as a BAD thing. I am not worried : there are plenty of avenues for us to influence and pressure his future administration.  Top-down ? Yeah. Donor-influenced ? You mean the 1.5 million of us who contributed ? I sure hope so.


Um (4.00 / 2)
About the only stark policy difference between Clinton and Obama was mentioned in this post--their telecom plans. I'm not sure how you take that as me not being concerned with policy.

And I also indicated very, very strongly in the piece that the movement might be better off if we aren't dependent on 527s.

And yes, telling large donors to cut off funding from an organization is pretty top down. However, as I noted, small donor organizations were booming. Just as you said.

Did you really read this piece? You compalin that I don't care about policy, but yet I mentioned policy. You act like I'm pro-527, even though the piece is anything but. I don't get your problems with what I wrote, at all.


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A precursor? (0.00 / 0)
I'm wondering if this is some kind of a precursor to trying to close the 527 loophole altogether.  Obviously, in the short-term, it most certainly is an imposition of top-down campaign governance.  However, the Democratic party relies a great deal more on small donors than Republicans do, so if soft money were cut off completely it would give the Democrats an even bigger financial advantage over the Republicans than they have now.

Maybe it could just be an unforeseen consequence, but it seems like slowing soft money down before the election then cutting it off entirely with a heavily Democratic election after could end up being the final nail in the coffin for the modern incarnation of the Republican party, if all the right-wing sugar daddies find it more trouble than it's worth to get their money into the system.

Republicans could be caught flat-footed while Democrats have a network of thriving grassroots organizations.  Of course, all this depends on Congress actually passing meaningful election reform, and we'll have to wait and see if we get enough progressives in there in 2008 to neuter the Blue Dogs.


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doesnt this end up being a constitutional issue (0.00 / 0)
IANAL, but isn't trying to close down 527s going to run smack into the SCOTUS ruling that spending money outside campaigns is protected free speech?

Michael Bloomberg, prince of corporate welfare

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No idea, honestly. (0.00 / 0)
This is where it gets tricky.  It seems like the best way to handle 527s and things of that sort is to just demand full disclosure of all donors.  Really, any political donations over a certain amount need to be a matter of public record.

Don't try to regulate the speech, simply make sure that it's clear where all the money is coming from.  With mandatory disclosure of financial records, it'd be much easier for people to understand just how few people control so much of our political discourse.  People on the right thing that George Soros is a shadowy bogeyman funding everything, when in reality Richard Mellon Scaife and Rev. Moon are infinitely more involved in shaping perceptions.

With those names out and in the public discourse, astroturf groups like Freedom's Watch and Swiftboat Veterans for Truth will lose what credibility they have left, and the new ones that pop up will be just another Scaife group, or just another Norquist group.


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it may not matter (0.00 / 0)
the money just moves to something else, and here is an interesting observation, pushing money this way, away from the candidate might be having the opposite intended effect of accountability:

http://writ.news.findlaw.com/d...

"To be sure, McConnell and other Supreme Court decisions recognize that this right can be restricted to avoid corruption. At some point, however, the anti-corruption rationale runs out, and the constitutional rights of the speaker take over.

Plausible arguments can be made that 527s are engaged in campaign speech, and that they are thus subject to regulation under existing law--or, at least, that our laws could be amended to make 527s subject to regulation without doing violence to the First Amendment. But if the Supreme Court is right, the effect of doing so would simply be to push the money still further upstream.

Is that what we want? Recall the tradeoff: As the speakers have to be more and more distant from the candidates, in order to escape campaign finance regulation, the candidates become less and less accountable for that speech. In other words, the effect of closing the 527 "loophole" could be to spur the creation of even less responsible speakers next time around."

Michael Bloomberg, prince of corporate welfare


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Hmm. (0.00 / 0)
A lot of good points, actually.  To paraphrase a particularly profound thinker of the early 21st century, "Campaign reform is hard work.  Hard work!"

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free speech (0.00 / 0)
In this case it could very much have to do with how Obama has gone about it.  Asking for cooperation with the campaign and demanding that Progressive Media shut down are 2 different things and Obama is a professor of constitutional law.  We'd be naive to think that he doesn't realize that he can only ask, not tell.

The guy is very persuasive, and very considerate of others' thoughts.  I'll bet there was no "commanding" in the transaction between him and Progressive Media.


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We were never DEPENDENT on 527's (0.00 / 0)
There are/were a piece of the movement. To kill them is not only undemocratic it is arrogant.

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How democratic are 527s? (4.00 / 1)
I understand that it's tempting to idealize these sorts of end runs around the spirit of campaign finance laws when it's rich people and rich organizations spending money on causes which align with our views, but I don't think of 527s as being particularly small-d democratic.

Now if a billionaire-backed 527 came out in favor of closing the hedge fund carried interest loophole by which people like Warren Buffett are taxed at a lower tax rate than their secretaries, I would be impressed and might think that there's more to these things than self-interest.

And it's a smart move politically.  We're heading into an election where the Republican brand is at an all-time low, partly because of corruption issues.  To the extent that we can take away one of their arguments that "everybody does it", it should be helpful in the Fall even though the most partisan of us might have enjoyed some payback for 2004 by seeing swiftboat-style attack ads about John McCain.

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Small 'd' Democratic (0.00 / 0)
Oh I don't know!

Free Speech is not Small 'd' Democratic?

Freedom Of The Press (including the Net, and broadcast) is not Small 'd' Democratic.

In my world they are Small 'd' Democratic.

Self-Interest? So self-interest is OK if they are things you agree with but they are not OK if you don't agree with them? good luck with that.


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So you are saying $=Speech? (4.00 / 1)
How is allowing a few rich people to pour tons of money into ads tearing apart the character of a candidate democratic?  Why should a few well funded interests be able to set the terms of debate by scurrilous attacks and sideshows?  And how is all this in keeping with the spirit of campaign finance reform?

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If your dollar (0.00 / 0)
or dollars = free speech...

Why shouldn't millions of dollars be free speech?

Our founders didn't base Free Speech or Freedom of the Press on how much or how little money you have. In fact money was not an issue at all with the founders which is why the SCOTUS ruled that money spent for Free speech is OK.

Why should only radio, TV, or print companies have access to mass distribution of Free Speech? 527's are the way for individuals or organizations to pool their money no matter how big or small.

That you suggest through the tone of your post that Free Speech should have a money ceiling is prosperous.


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Rephrasing (0.00 / 0)
I don't mean to say you DON'T care at all about policy. I am saying a surprisingly high number of your posts criticizing Obama seem to focus on process. That's all.

And for the record I actually agree with 90% of what you wrote here. It is just that I noticed that most of your discontent with Obama (like on Fox etc.) has to do with process more than policies - and since I don't doubt there are differences on policies, I would much rather spend our tremendous energy and your influence on pressuring him on that.

All I was trying to say. It was not meant as a criticism of this post (although i have the objections you saw)


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In 2004 it was clear that the role of 527's in the presidential was of very limited us (0.00 / 0)
So even being a Clinton supporter, I think it is wise for Obama and for Clinton if she were the nominee to fold the money and the messaging into the prez campaign and the DNC.  For all sorts of campaign finance coordination issues it is the right solution.

Initially I was not unhappy about the David Brock group because it just seemed like the Media Fund of 2004...but it is dismaying to learn how much more they have done in addition in other areas in terms of media pushback...which I think is one of the central fights we have to pick with the right.

But Obama does not just have control over big donors.  He has a huge small donor list and the ability to move that money where he wants and to create a climate where those small donors might decide not to give to groups or agendas he doesn't want to advance...

Certainly he could make it de rigeur that Congressional candiates pass whatever metric he sets up to get money.  It is quite possible to see that only candidates who pass his muster will see money coming their way.

He has already indicated he's not just interested in groups that just play in the presidential arena ... like VoteVets...

Whether you think he will only and always do the right thing ....it still undermines of the democratic process to put too much power and control over influencing the political palyers and process into the hands of one person....Lord Acton is still right ...power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely

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I agree (4.00 / 1)
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that Obama is opposed to 527s because they allow the wealthy to disproportionately influence politics. As imperfect as it may be, McCain-Feingold's limit of $2300 per candidate assures that beyond a certain amount of wealth, an individual does not have a louder voice than others. Ok, it does not assure anything but it takes a step in the right direction. The 527s work around that and make it meaningless.

As long as Obama relies on 1.5 million donors and not 10,000 large donors to a 527, his allegiance is to us and not the few wealthy. Of course you can argue that 1.5 million people can't organize and make demands, which in turn leave Obama with more power, but I think it's still better than the alternative. When Clinton's large DNC donors demanded her nomination and failed, I felt like we had really achieved something. Obama's power comes from regular people and the only missing piece is an effective way to educate and inform regular people and organize them to demand what's right. The blogosphere is a good step, if a small one, towards that goal.

I may be missing something here, but Obama has not asked those donors to stop giving their money to the named 527s and instead somehow give it to him, has he? How is he creating a top-down system?

I understand that in the short term, having Obama indebted to progressive organizations can be to our benefit, but it hurts us and the country in the long term. Giving that kind of power to a few is only good if they are the good few and there is of course no guaranty that they would be.


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Missing something (4.00 / 1)
I may be missing something here, but Obama has not asked those donors to stop giving their money to the named 527s and instead somehow give it to him, has he?

You are missing something, because that is exactly what his campaign just did.

Obama's power comes from regular people and the only missing piece is an effective way to educate and inform regular people and organize them to demand what's right.

Obama's power also clearly comes from large donors. He can control some parts of Democratic infrastructure by controlling them.

The large donor--small donor distinction between Clinton and Obama isn't as clean as many people want to see it. Clinton raised more small money than Dean, by a long, long way. Obama had more small donors, and about as many large donors. The difference is a matter of degree, not a different system altogether.  


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Chris, a question... (4.00 / 5)
...if he's asking the large donors to donate specifically to him, they don't become very large anymore, do they?  They are bound by the $2300 limit.  So, where is that extra money going?

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they can give to Democratic party (0.00 / 0)
There was a report that Obama and the DNC formed a committee that can accept big check (over $20,000) -- the first $2300 goes to Obama's campaign, then next the DNC.  I don't recall the details.

Of course, that is not the millions of dollars a billionaire can give. I don't know what they are doing.


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Then tell me what (0.00 / 0)
I am and was genuinely asking, it was not rhetorical. If he's not just asking people to shun 527 organizations and this is really about where the money goes, where will it go now? I'm assuming we're talking about amounts far above the $2300 limit so it's not money that would otherwise go directly to his campaign, right?

I disagree with you about the small donor / large donor contrast. Obama's candidacy thrived on donations from small donors while Clinton's did from large donors. Large donors supporter Clinton and pushed her well into January with the expectation that she would be the nominee and in fact the next president. She was the one they all bet on. Obama by contrast was not getting enough from large donors to compete and it was the small donors who resulted in his success.

At some point this process reversed itself (to a degree). Obama became the apparent nominee and all the large donors feared that they would be shut out of the next administration, so they rushed to hedge their bets and started giving Obama money. At the same time (after IA, before NH) their donor base now, your point about the lower contrast is completely valid, but we need a history of how these donations came in, to get the whole picture.


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The notion of control (0.00 / 0)
The word control keeps being thrown about. But a question to ask here is how much control does anyone have over multi-millionaires. At the end of the day they do what they want to do and what they think is best. You should talk to some, they're quite a strong headed lot. Obama must have talked a good talk to them to get them to stop donating to 527s. But lets not confuse the horse and the rider, the multi-millionaires will do what they will; and if they later decide that the Obama strategy (no 527 negative attacks) isn't working for them, they'll go right back to running their own show.

I am glad to see you're finally getting to the point where you realize you always have to be independent of the big money and that in no way were these donors ever really part of a grassroots take-back-your-govt movement.  

Michael Bloomberg, prince of corporate welfare


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I think that it is a mistake as a whole.. (4.00 / 1)
...and I really don't understand the premise behind it... I'm wondering if Obama is getting overconfident.  I realise that 527's, as a whole, haven't been very effective in the last few years (MoveOn has been especially impotent, but their copy writing leaves much to be desired).  This group seemed to be at least somewhat effective in getting the message out.  Losing such a source, because Obama wants to be a control freak, disappoints me greatly.  It also worries me.

It's kind of like Barack's refusal to pay street money in Philly.  that decision cost him at least 3-4 points in the PA primary, and gave Hillary big bragging rights.  It's great to stand up for ideals, but, sometimes pragmatism is the way.

I don't want our party to become dictatorial in nature.  Barack Obama should not forget that he is a people powered candidate... vaulted into his position form the ground up.  I do realize that the party needs a lot more discipline (like the Republicans), and I hope this consolidation will mean that the blue dogs will be choked even bluer in the long run.

Still... it's important that we not lose our popular mandate.  We are the people's party.  While, I appreciate his movement towards a technocracy, I have reservations of a pure plutocracy.  After all, who gets to be one of the philosopher kings... and who or what keeps their power in check?

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Street Money (0.00 / 0)
But if he wins, won't it have been the right, and better, thing to have done?  And isn't that pragmatic?

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Slight criticism (0.00 / 0)
Why would a people's party want to make the blue dogs "bluer"? What if those blue dogs became too blue for their district?

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I see this as a tactical move to tie McCain's hands (4.00 / 1)
Let's face it, the Republicans CAN'T win a positive campaign against Obama.  They are going to have to go negative, and stay negative to win.  They can't wait to air their first anti-Obama ad starring Jeremiah Wright.  However, as McCain has said that he wants to run a positive campaign on the issues, it would most likely be 527 groups that would air these ads.  527s would also be beneficial to the Republicans because of they are soft money repositories, and the funds just ain't pouring in to the GOP the way they are used to.

So, by Obama shutting down Democratic 527's, he's boxing McCain into a corner, because if Obama is able to control the unaccountable Democratic 527s, but McCain allows Republican ones, it will:

1)  Expose McCain as a blatant hypocrite on what he has made the central defining issue of his career.  (I know he's broken McCain-Fiengold, let's lobbyist run wild, but remember in 2004 when repeatedly asked about the Swift Boat vets, and he responded "I'm against all 527 ads, they have no place in this process" over and over and over.)

2)  It will make McCain look weak and ineffective, undercutting his "leadership" cred.

3)  It will give Obama a perfect opportunity to hit McCain for BEING a hypocrite on campaign finance, without it seeming negative since it is a response to tactics.  It will fit nicely into "John McCain represents the same old politics that have failed us for the last 30 years, America deserves better and desperately needs a change.

4) Give Obama a chance to essentially say: "Look, McCain talks a good game, but when it comes to playing one, I am the only candidate who seems to be trying."

If McCain wises up and follows suit, cutting off Republican 527s to keep up with Obama, it will:

1) Seriously limit the amount of money spent on Anti-Obama messaging.

2)  Force McCain and the Republicans to go negative themselves, associating their name and brand with anything they say, removing the disguise of an "independent" 527, and opening themselves up to fair counter-attack without the "plausible deniability" Bush had with the Swift Boat vets.

I am interested to see how this plays out.

John McCain.  Wrong for America.


Not sure I believe this... (4.00 / 8)
People always say they hate negative attacks and that it makes them less likely to vote for the person negatively attacking, but time after time, negative attacks seem to work.  Every time the Democrats try to stay "above the fray" and "take the high road" it ends up biting them in the ass as the Republicans attack with the most unbelievably ridiculous and vile shit (see, the shitty 2004 Democratic Convention versus the unbelievably ridiculously negative 2004 Republican Convention, oh, and also Swift Boaters vs... mostly nothing.  If it weren't for Fahrenheit 9/11, Kerry probably would've been blown out).

This is what worries me about these moves to consolidate the 527s.  I want McCain to be hit VERY hard by SOMEONE... it needs to happen.  People will say they don't like it, yet at the same time it'll make them less likely to vote for him.


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This is but one of the reasons (0.00 / 0)
that Obama is the wrong candidate for our party.  By starving the 527's he makes it much more difficult to 1.) Conduct independent criticism on television against McCain, 2.) Organize effective checks on a potential Obama administration.  Like, say, if Obama was caving on health care, or any other issue.  Newsflash: most Americans don't read blogs.  And relying on favorable press coverage and free media for progressive causes is the height of foolishness.

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negative ads (0.00 / 0)
They didn't work in Mississippi, of all places.  We just saw that.  Childers won in an ultra conservative district by a comfortable margin.

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the end result of this (4.00 / 1)
is a weaking of Democratic 527's, while Republican ones are unaffected.  How can we even be contemplating this in this crucial election year?  Let's not be so naive as to think that if Obama 'sets a good example' (and I see no evidence that this is the reason) GOP groups will hold their fire whatsoever.

I see a lot of people already talking about maybe just taking Congress and putting a 'check' on McCain -- to which I say, does anyone else see that the bar is being constantly lowered for Obama?  Why are we even thinking about nominating him?  Sorry to harp on this point but the breezy analysis and speculation here, with no appreciation for what it could mean for the progressive movement as a whole, can be maddening.


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This is a big electoral winner. (4.00 / 7)
Obama is setting up the attack on McCain's "maverick reformer" image.  And to those who don't think this kind of thing works, look how Obama used exactly this attack on Edwards late in the Iowa campaign.  Unfairly, one might argue, but there is little question in my mind that Obama's hard, late hit on Edwards in Iowa for 527 ads was a significant factor in stalling what seemed to be Edwards's late momentum.  Reform is supposed to be McCain's strength.  Obama plans to turn it against him.

And if you continue to doubt that this is an electoral strategy, look no further than what the DCCC did to Greg Davis in MS-01.  Late in the campaign, the DCCC ran ads on Christian radio linking Davis to Freedom's Watch (the big, wealthy GOP 527 everyone seems so scared of) funder Sheldon Adelson, a rich casino magnate.  They called Davis a friend of gambling.  They even linked him to what they called "atheist China" because of Adelson's business in Macao.  It was a vicious attack, but one I loved to see coming from our side.  I mean, atheist China!  Against a Republican in Mississippi!  Hard core.

I have no doubt that Obama's campaign knew what the DCCC was doing down there.  This was a high-profile test of Obama's down-ballot strength, after all.  So I am willing to bet that there is plenty more where that came from--Obama's oppo researchers probably have large books on the backgrounds of those big GOP fatcats who funds the 527s, and if McCain has to rely on them, Obama is going to feed the evangelicals a steady diet of Adelson sandwiches all summer long.  

And you can already see McCain's total confusion on the issue, kinda sorta trying to disassociate himself with 527s but aware, I'm sure, that he'll have no recourse against Obama's small donor money machine.  

There may be larger implications of this strategy.  But I really don't think this is so much about top-down control of the party as it is about freeing up Obama to absolutely savage McCain on the issue.  It's hardball politics aimed at winning the general election, and we should be cheering it on, because it's going to be thrilling to see it deployed against the Republicans.


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I suspect it is part of opting out of public financing (0.00 / 0)
Because of his previous statements, he can be consistent by opting out of public financing for the general election campaign when McCain refuses to shut down his 527s.


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This concerns me a little more (4.00 / 2)
I think I see what he's doing, he wants a bargaining chip/attack point with McCain on 527's, and he seems to be trying to move politics away from being centered on "professional operators", people who do it for a living and control organizations with their own agendas.

However, I think this might open up some new opportunities, like a re-opening or replacement of the Rockridge Institute, and other "think tank" operations.

The really interesting thing, I think, will come in 2010.  It's very likely there will be congress-critters on his list for support, but on the blogosphere's list for being primaried.  That's when we find out if the netroots can maintain a power base independant of Obama's.  Because I do agree, if power is too centralized, it become inefficient, and corrupting.

And we don't want Obama's organization, as good or well-intentioned as it may be, to be the only one who can make a candidate viable.


Isn't 2010 a bit late (4.00 / 1)
when we could do a course correction now?  We all need to take a deep breath and ask if the early uptick in support for Obama in the blogosphere was actually a mistake, because it looks an awful lot to me like we are allowing him to make us irrelevant.  

Obama is inexperienced, a bit smug, seeking an office with vastly expanded de facto powers, and at the same time attempting to consolidate power in the Democratic party.  What could possibly go wrong?  There is already significant resistance and resentment to this in the blogosphere, and it's turning more and more people against Obama.  


[ Parent ]
What about Oregon? (0.00 / 0)
When we could do a course correction now?

Why not in Oregon? Hillary cannot overtake him anyway, so even if Hillary wins Oregon, it may not make much difference to who is the nominee.

So maybe the netroots can show it's power by working for Hillary in Oregon. If Hillary wins or comes close, Obama will realize where his priorities should lie.


[ Parent ]
Hillary: Oregon (0.00 / 0)
Garak: Gaf

Now I see.

The everyday people of the whole earth are ready to run the sphere in peace.


[ Parent ]
That would be mistake... (0.00 / 0)
At this point, the nominee has been chosen.  Right or wrong, like it or not, we have to stand by him and get him elected.  We can deal with other issues soon enough.  Obama isn't the only player in the party.  If he becomes more of a dictator, then the herd of cats known as the Democrats will revolt against him.

At the moment, we have to trust that he knows what he is doing.  After all, he's done something incredible already... beat a Clinton!  It's all downhill from there!

REID: Voting against us was never part of our arrangement!
SPECTER: I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!
REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!


[ Parent ]
No nominee has been 'chosen' (0.00 / 0)
except by the Villagers.  And it has backfired.  The 40-point loss to Clinton in WV is unprecedented considering the media declared the race over and he is the 'presumptive' nominee.  

I don't have to trust Obama, and I don't.  The fact that his campaign has hired 400 astroturfers and that he is trying to 'consolidate power' within the Democratic party is disturbing enough, but what's worse is I see no indication that he has the best interests of our party at heart.  I'm sorry, but to wait and find out if he is going to be "dictatorial" AFTER he is our nominee and perhaps president (good luck with that one) is ridiculous.


[ Parent ]
NO (4.00 / 7)
We don't have the presidency in the bag yet, and we don't want to be pulling stunts just as an excercise in power.  Besides, in the same way that Obama's power over the networks is limited to what he can make them want to do, so is anyone else's.  That's why I said 2010, by then there will be clearly articulated differences in motivation and tactics that a contest of strength can be relevant to.

For the next 6 months, we all go in the tank for Obama if we have any sense at all, and install him and a maximum of other Democrats in DC.  There will never be a better opportunity for more Democrats, better ones are for another day.


[ Parent ]
Is it just me or are you one of the people living in fantasy land (4.00 / 2)
Where Obama is not already the presumptive nominee?

For me to give any credence to your argument, I would first need to ignore any signs of intense personal dislike you show towards him and more importantly, agree with your implied point that the nomination is still up for grabs (in a way that won't destroy the party for years to come).

As for more and more people turning against Obama, do you have any objective and real evidence of that? You didn't pick up hints of that in MyDD or anything, did you?


[ Parent ]
Your 'presumptive nominee' (0.00 / 0)
can't break 30% of the vote in West Virginia, even after he had been declared the winner and the Dem establishment broke in his favor.

[ Parent ]
Ooooh, you sound bitter! (0.00 / 0)
Get over it. Yeah, he lost West Virginia to Clinton by a large margin. I don't know, maybe that means he can't win WV in November either, but what's your point? Are you rooting for McCain? How are you helping?

[ Parent ]
Turning people against Obama . . . (4.00 / 1)
and toward um, . . .  Mc Cain?

Your promotion of Obama-doubt is suspiciously non-sensical.


The everyday people of the whole earth are ready to run the sphere in peace.


[ Parent ]
Well, his username is from Star Trek... (0.00 / 0)
...Deep space nine.  Garak was a Cardassian operative int heir version of the CIA (the obsidian order), the was banished and exiled for some unknown reason.  Anyways, in the show, the character was very shifty and could not be trusted.  He always talked from both sides of his mouth.  So, make what you will of that! :-)

REID: Voting against us was never part of our arrangement!
SPECTER: I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!
REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!


[ Parent ]
Glad you know your Star Trek (0.00 / 0)
but if you recall Garak worked for Starfleet during the Dominion War and realized that the Cardassia he had known had to change.  He was much more than just a spy.

[ Parent ]
Yes, I know... (0.00 / 0)
../he actually was one of the good guys (and my favorite character of the series), but the other characters never really knew where he stood...

REID: Voting against us was never part of our arrangement!
SPECTER: I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!
REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!


[ Parent ]
Promotion of "Obama-doubt"? (0.00 / 0)
That's very revealing...I guess I shouldn't be asking people what approach to policy Obama would take as President, what he plans to do in changing the Democratic party & the progressive movement, & what his governing coalition/strategy would be.  Are we all supposed to promote "Obama-faith" instead?  This cult mentality where you shield yourself from inconvenient facts about Obama is scary...

Let's get one thing clear: I am a progressive Democrat.  A Democrat who is very concerned.  I know that might be threatening to some because it bursts the Obama-as-messiah bubble, but let's get real here folks.


[ Parent ]
He's going to blow it (0.00 / 0)
The swift-boating will start, and he'll take the high road based on some post-partisan fantasy.....Reminds me chillingly of the rationale for the Kerry non-response in 04 (remember the convention that didn't mention Republicans?).....McCain will rise above the fray while the media piles on.....At least we'll have Congress...

think Hillary (4.00 / 2)
The swift-boating will start, and he'll take the high road based on some post-partisan fantasy

That's been tried, and it's failed already.  We've been watching that process since the Wright video clips came out.  More than 2 months now and guess who's the clear winner of the nomination.

Not the SwiftBoaters, whether Clintonians or southern Republicans.

Not that the McCain campaign won't go on trying.  They don't seem to have learned yet from the failure of the Childers effort.

But stopping the 527s cold will force those big donors to do more than give money.  Either they'll keep their money in their pockets or they'll become bundlers for the campaign.  If they choose the latter option they will become far more valuable to Obama's basic goal, which he keeps saying is to involve the entire populace in governance.  Sure there will be differences between those who can afford $2300 and those who can barely afford to donate $10, but the chasm won't be nearly as large as between those who can afford $25,000 and those who can only afford $10/month.

I agree with Chris, this seems to be a very risky tack to take in this day and age.  But then, going on Fox News didn't make sense to many of us until all of a sudden, when Obama had his talking points down cold and a bunch of experience with being on the line with the less unfriendly networks, and when he was ready to speak directly to those who watch Fox, it made lots of sense.  And he forced Fox to stick to the subject while he was there, as well.  

He took the high road right there on Fox, just like everywhere else, and didn't get dirty.


[ Parent ]
If shutting down the 527s=going on Fox (0.00 / 0)
you're not helping your argument.  Going on Fox netted Obama nothing and undermined a lot.  Let's hope that Chris is right and shutting down the 527s will have a silver lining.  Going on Fox sure as hell didn't.

John McCain doesn't think kids need health insurance



[ Parent ]
Why is Obama's appearance on FOX News (0.00 / 0)
any different than the other Democrats that appeared there?

Disclaimer: I never supported the so-called "freeze out".  if you really want to hurt FOX - boycott the Simpsons and the rest of their schedule. I mean, why should a guy like Matt Groening, who appears to support some kind of non-right agenda based on his story-lines and scripts provide his services to funnal cash into the right wing noise machine that is the FOX network?  Same for the folks that make Family Guy - ain't they got no scruples?



"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


[ Parent ]
Wrong (4.00 / 5)
This is exactly the opposite of what this move is about.  By making sure he has no ties to Dem 527s, Obama frees himself to go after McCain, hard, for his ties to 527s.  It's not about capitulating to Swift Boat attacks.  It's about preparing to make the Swift Boaters radioactive, and then handcuff them to John McCain and bash the hell out of his reformer image.  Obama will link him to their unsavory backgrounds, call him weak for being unable to control them, and paint him as in bed with lobbyists and fatcats.  

The way the DCCC used this tactic in Mississippi was just a little chin music for the Republicans.  When Obama throws it at McCain, it'll be a beanball.


[ Parent ]
This makes no sense (0.00 / 0)
527's are independent, which gives McCain or Obama the cover they need to say "don't do that" and yet they keep doing it anyways.  Let's remember that in 2004 Bush half-heartedly called for an end to the Swift Boat nonsense, and what happened?  The Swift Boat group didn't listen.

The Obama response?  Dismantle independent progressive groups.  Genius.

We're screwed if we nominate Obama.


[ Parent ]
The bottom-up nature of the Obama organization (0.00 / 0)
is merely a figment of your imaginations as long as so many of his supporters refuse to take a critical look at him, his words, and his actions.  (I'm not saying Obama is bad, but he is human.)  Bottom up doesn't work when there is blind allegiance to the man at the top.

bottom up (0.00 / 0)
Look, some folks are going to watch football instead of a political debate.  Some are going to play the latest ugly computer game instead of read a political blog.  Some are going to go to their 3rd job instead of examining the details of what Obama is hoping to do for them so they don't have to.

Many, in fact, have been behaving like that for the last 40 years, actually.

I believe we can't do anything about that but wait until gas prices get so high, global warming gets so obvious, food gets so expensive, water gets so scarce etc. that even the ones with their heads in the sand feel the vibrations through the sand.

But as each little problem gets bigger, more and more are sticking their heads out of their little safe cocoons and taking note.  

And the problems aren't getting smaller.


[ Parent ]
Isn't there some blind allegience in the belief (4.00 / 2)
the Hillary Clinton can still win the nomination?

I'm not saying Obama is perfect - or won't need to be pushed and prodded on policy issues, but the longer I see the Clinton supporters living in their bubble of denial, the more it starts to look like a personality cult, rather than a political campaign based in reality.

On the issue of "a critical look at Obama" by his supporters - did you not read the diary to which are responding?  Where's the "blind allegiance"?  

Time to wake up and smell the orange juice.


"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


[ Parent ]
Oh, the delusion! (4.00 / 1)
Along with African-Americans, the netroots were one of two groups that made a decisive, pro-Obama shift in January to basically hand him the nomination. Our money, media, activist support in caucuses, and shifting allegiances after Edwards dropped out proved enough to push him over the top.

The netroots handed him nothing, materially or even just metaphorically.  You all were brought to the wagon kicking and screaming -- I know, I was one of a very few doing the kicking and screaming, aghast and frustrated at your all's cheerleading of a Democratic Mitt Romney.

If the netroots had been true to its alleged philosophy, you all should have studied Sen. Obama's background back in 2004, after his convention speech and cheering him on to enter the race and worked your hearts out for him after he did.  He is a once in a lifetime kind of candidate with unbelievable empathy for your (alleged!) causes (he was a community organizer working with the most disadvantaged and came to religion on their behalf) and incredible integrity (read the AP article about his college-mates' take on him).

As a matter of fact, Sen. Obama was doing perfectly fine until the blogosphere reluctantly joined his bandwagon and his stock has steadily declined since!

So, no revisionist history please!

That said, you personally were among the first to jump ship to him (if memory serves, you started the necessary movement to him using his google appearance as cover :-) and kudos to you personally on that...


I think the netroots helped (0.00 / 0)
But Chris is vastly overstating the case. I am a huge fan of Chris. But on this issue, which is very personal, he may be too close to the issue to be objective. Heading off David Brock may or may not be a good tactic, but it's a small tree in a big campaign forest.

[ Parent ]
I like some of Chris's writings too... (0.00 / 0)
But the issue of the blogosphere vis-a-vis Barack Obama is a disgrace, no way around it.  To his eternal credit, Chris was one of the first to start seeing reason.  I think the netroots helped Obama in the exact opposite sense of what I think you are implying: the netroots helped by throwing their lot behind the terrible and false candidacy of John Edwards; it helped Obama because people out in the real world saw Barack Obama for what he was, rather than as a left-winger championed by the left wing, as it would have been seen otherwise.  (Note that this is not what sank Edwards, whose candidacy was doomed from the beginning because of his inauthenticity: and NO, I am not talking of stupid stuff :-)

I agree with your other points though...


[ Parent ]
Well (0.00 / 0)
Aside from the thing about Edwards, I don't really think people in the real world (outside of blog readers) are influenced at all by what bloggers think. Kind of a stretch to think Joe Sixpack or whoever would say "Hm, there are a lot of posts on Daily Kos touting Candidate X, so he must be a crazy liberal, and I should vote for Candidate Y."

The netroots IMHO mainly is a preaching to the choir thing, and helps rally the base to give money and time. In some rare cases -- maybe Josh Marshall's pursuit of various Bush bamboozlements -- the content leaks out in the the general public, but usually it's an echo chamber. I like it a lot and spend too much time there, but it is what it is.


[ Parent ]
Unionization benefits (0.00 / 0)
You may be interested in this new study which shows that low-wage workers get the most benefit from unionization.

http://www.cepr.net/documents/...


Using national data for 2003 through 2007, we estimate that unionization raises the wages of the typical low-wage worker (one in the 10th percentile) by 20.6 percent, compared to 13.7 percent for the typical worker (one in the 50th percentile), and 6.1 percent for the typical high-wage worker (one in the 90th percentile).1 The traditional statistical approach applied to the same data produces an estimate of the average union wage premium of 11.9 percent, which is substantially lower than the union effect on low-wage workers (20.6 percent) and somewhat below the effect for the median wage worker (13.7 percent).

That those who should be supporting progressive policies would also be the ones to benefit the most (blue collar workers) is the truth that the GOP is working so hard to hide. That's why they are spending so much time smearing candidates who try to discuss things from a class perspective. We have classes in this country and pretending that we don't only makes it harder to get people to understand where their interests lie.

Policies not Politics


I'm late to the party, Chris, (0.00 / 0)
but isn't this a wonderful opportunity for the small donors to stop into the fray? I don't know why Progressive Media closed down, instead of using this as their 'ask'. I can't think of much that's more important than having a powerful progressive infrastructure in place when Obama takes the white house (except for him actually taking it in the first place).

If small donors and blogs and such really do have the power, why did Progressive Media close? Why aren't the bigmouth bloggers working together to breath fresh life into it without the millionaires? In fact, this also sounds like a possible bridge to build between the pro-O and pro-C bloggers, coming together to fund a progressive institution that Obama disapproves.


but why should we? (4.00 / 1)
If I'm giving $100, I may as well give it to a candidate(s) I choose who can use it in his or her campaign.  

Why give it to a third party to run ads that skirt campaign law for candidates they choose?  If I were giving a million dollar that would otherwise be illegal, that makes sense, but not for a small donor.

New Jersey politics at Blue Jersey.


[ Parent ]
Because by donating to (4.00 / 2)
a third party, you grow another power center, instead of investing in a single one, and one that isn't responsible to you. ('You' as part of the leftblogs, that is.) One that you hope will take an oppositional posture that pulls the other powers center leftward.

Investing into the Obama machine is great, but limited. If we as outsiders and small donors want power, we can't allow ourselves to be completely coopted. There will come a time--I'm thinking in late February, 2009--when the Obama administration does something that many of us find pretty disappointing. At that point, we can either use the power we've built to try to convince the administration to do the right thing, or we can just weep and gnash and send angry emails asking for our contributions back.

This whole topic just shows me--much to my relief--that Obama really understands power. That's wonderful. I'm v., v. pleased. But I don't think the netroots hasn't the slightest clue, sometimes, what power means. If we believe we have something of value to contribute, that our perspectives and our goals are good for the country, we shouldn't whine about Obama taking power. We should just grow our own.


[ Parent ]
Ding ding ding (0.00 / 0)
It is possible that our increasing separation between large, soft-money donors that his campaign is creating might even prove beneficial for us over the long-term, as we are forced to find more sustainable, broadly based forms of funding.

Assuming we keep rolling and can still tap the occasional Daddy Warbucks for seed capital (which I think will start happening a lot at the state level) this could be the best thing to happen to the movement.

You can't be an independent powerbase when you're on an allowance.

Me | My Work | Future Majority


Decapitation (0.00 / 0)
Progressive Media had two parts to it - the broadcast advertising operation run by Paul Begala and the opposition research/media accountability effort run by David Brock. Keeping money away from Paul Begala is always a good thing to do, but cutting off David Brock is sheer idiocy. Nobody understands how the right places dirt and manipulates the all too willing media.

Another critical piece of the independent puzzle is America Votes, which effectively coordinates dozens of progressive organizations in doing progressive messaging and get out the vote in particular states. It would be illegal for the Obama campaign to coordinate activities for groups such as ACORN, US Action, the League of Conservation Voters, Change to Win, and many more. And it is ridiculous to think that the Obama campaign can simply substitute its volunteers for these efforts, which tend to be grounded in long term commitments.

One can only hope that the Obama folks understand their limits. Undercutting the ground efforts of progressive groups is not progressive.


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