Presidential Forecast, May 21th

by: Chris Bowers

Wed May 21, 2008 at 13:21


Obama 242, McCain 220, Toss-up 76



(Dark Blue means "Solid Obama," or Obama +10% or more
Light Blue means "Lean Obama," or Obama +4.1%-+9.9%
White means "Toss-up," from between Obama +4.0% to McCain +4.0%
Light Red means "Lean McCain" or McCain +4.1%-+9.9%
Dark Red means "Solid McCain," or McCain +10.0% or more
)

Several new state polls today have caused a few, mainly pro-Obama, changes to the map:

  • A new California poll leaves the state in the "Lean Obama" category.
  • Colorado moves from "Lean McCain" to "Lean Obama" based on a new poll.
  • A new poll from Florida shows positive movement for Obama, but the state remains in the "Lean McCain" category.
  • A new poll from Missouri makes the state more competitive, but it is still "Lean McCain."
  • New Mexico moves from "Toss-up" to "Lean Obama" based on a new poll.
  • A new poll from North Carolina, but it remains unchanged at "Lean McCain."
  • A new poll from Pennsylvania, but it remains unchanged at "Lean Obama."
  • A new poll from Virginia, but it remains unchanged at "Lean McCain."
  • A new poll from Utah pushes the state even deeper into the "Solid McCain" category. Any hopes  in Utah should be dashed now.

There are still some seeming outliers in this map, most notably Indiana, Massachusetts, Nebraska, North Dakota, South Carolina, and Texas. It is pretty surprising to see these states in the "swing" category, but that is what the polls currently show.

There is actually a logic to Indiana, Nebraska, and North Dakota. John McCain has held exactly one non-fundraising event in those three states combined (a February 22nd town hall in Indianapolis), and probably doesn't have a campaign office in any of those states. Obama, by contrast, has campaigned heavily in all three states, with 34 campaign events total. Obama is organizing in Indiana and Nebraska, while McCain is not. Why shouldn't it be closer than past elections? This is, after all, one of the main principles behind the 50-state strategy. If we campaign everywhere, and they don't, we should win in some surprising places.

And even in North Dakota, where Obama only made one appearance, the campaign is spending heavily, to the tune of four offices and ten staffers. With only 310,000 people in the North Dakota electorate, a sizable amount of uncontested campaigning spending can go a long way. Democrats have proven they can win in North Dakota, as we hold both Senate seats and the House seat. One of those Senators, Kent Conrad, is actually pretty progressive and voted against the war. You only need to sway 40,000 North Dakota Bush supporters in order to win the state. With the Obama campaign working on North Dakota, and McCain leaving it untouched, it does not strike me as inconceivable at all that Obama would be close there.

The same thing is probably true for Texas, where Obama campaigned heavily and where, with proper organizing, changing demographics will one day make it a swing state. As far as Massachusetts goes, I'm not really sure what the problem is. South Carolina is probably a bad poll, but with no other information to go on, I have to leave it in the toss-up category.

State-by-state details can be found in the extended entry.  

Chris Bowers :: Presidential Forecast, May 21th
Solid Obama: 130 Electoral Votes
State EV's Obama % McCain % Margin # Polls
Connecticut 7 51.0% 36.5% +14.5% 2
D.C. 3 -- -- +80.0% 0
Hawaii 4 61.0% 31.0% +30.0% 1
Illinois 21 59.0% 34.0% +25.0% 2
Maine-AL* 2 52.0% 38.5% +13.5% 2
Maine-01* 1 -- -- +17.0% 0
Maine-02* 1 -- -- +10.0% 0
Maryland 10 52.0% 38.5% +13.5% 2
Minnesota 10 51.5% 38.0% +13.5% 2
New Jersey 15 52.0% 36.0% +16.0% 2
New York 31 49.5% 36.5% +13.0% 2
Oregon 7 51.5% 40.0% +11.5% 2
Rhode Island 4 47.5% 34.0% +13.5% 2
Vermont 3 60.0% 32.5% +27.5% 2
Washington 11 52.5% 41.0% +11.5% 2

Lean Obama: 112 Electoral Votes
State EV's Obama % McCain % Margin # Polls
California 55 49.5% 42.0% +7.5% 2
Colorado 9 47.0% 42.5% +4.5% 2
Delaware 3 50.0% 41.0% +9.0% 1
Iowa 7 46.5% 41.5% +5.0% 2
Massachusetts 12 49.5% 42.5% +7.0% 2
New Mexico 5 47.0% 42.5% +4.5% 2
Pennsylvania 21 46.0% 40.3% +5.0% 4

Toss-up: 76 Electoral Votes
State EV's Obama % McCain % Margin # Polls
Indiana 11 45.5% 49.0% -3.5% 2
Michigan 17 43.5% 43.0% +0.5% 2
Nebraska-01** 1 -- -- -1.0% 0
Nebraska-02** 1 -- -- +4.0% 0
Nevada 5 44.0% 45.0% -1.0% 2
North Dakota 3 42.0% 43.0% -1.0% 2
Ohio 20 43.0% 44.0% -1.0% 2
South Carolina 8 45.0% 48.0% -3.0% 1
Wisconsin 10 45.0% 45.0% Even 2

Lean McCain: 112 Electoral Votes
State EV's Obama % McCain % Margin # Polls
Alaska 3 41.5% 49.5% -8.0% 2
Florida 27 41.5% 47.0% -5.5% 2
Missouri 11 43.0% 47.5% -4.5% 2
Montana 3 41.0% 47.5% -6.5% 2
Nebraska-AL** 2 40.5% 47.5% -7.0% 2
New Hampshire 4 42.0% 50.0% -8.0% 2
North Carolina 15 42.8% 49.5% -6.7% 4
Texas 34 41.0% 50.0% -9.0% 2
Virginia 13 41.5% 47.0% -5.5% 2

Solid McCain: 108 Electoral Votes
State EV's Obama % McCain % Margin # Polls
Alabama 9 34.0% 59.5% -25.5% 2
Arizona 10 37.5% 52.5% -15.0% 2
Arkansas 6 31.5% 58.0% -26.5% 2
Georgia 15 39.5% 53.5% -14.0% 2
Idaho 4 39.0% 52.0% -13.0% 1
Kansas 6 35.5% 54.5% -19.0% 2
Kentucky 8 33.5% 57.0% -23.5% 2
Louisiana 9 37.0% 52.5% -15.5% 2
Mississippi 6 41.0% 54.0% -13.0% 1
Nebraska-03** 1 -- -- -25.0% 2
Oklahoma 7 27.5% 59.5% -32.0% 2
South Dakota 3 36.0% 49.5% -13.5% 2
Tennessee 11 33.5% 55.5% -22.0% 2
Utah 5 33.0% 56.0% -23.0% 2
West Virginia 5 35.0% 53.0% -18.0% 1
Wyoming 3 35.0% 54.0% -19.0% 1

* Maine four electoral votes are awarded as follows: two for the statewide winner, and one for the winner of each congressional district. ME-01 is about 3.5% more Democratic than the state as a whole, while ME-02 is about 3.5% less Democratic than the state as a whole.

** Nebraska's five electoral votes are awarded as follows: two for the statewide winner, and one for the winner of each congressional district. NE-01 is about 6.0% more Democratic than the state as a whole, NE-01 is about 11.0% more Democratic than the state as a whole, and NE-03 is about 18.0% less Democratic than the state as a whole.

Methodology
I will update at least once every day between now and November 4th. The methodology is simple and straightforward.

  1. For each state, take all polls conducted for the state over the previous thirty days, and average them.
  2. If one polling firm has more than one poll in a state over the last thirty days, take only the most recent poll.
  3. Every state has at least two polls. If two polls were not conducted in a state over the last thirty days, use the two most recent polls from any polling firm.
  4. If only one poll has been conducted in a state, then only use that poll.
  5. No polling firm discrimination whatsoever. Polls are never excluded because the organization has a bad or partisan reputation.

As we move closer to the election and more data becomes available, the time frames for polls included in the averages will decrease. Also, when the amount of data increases, I will be able to start projecting the swing, "toss-up" states. Right now, however, there just isn't enough data to push those states into one camp or the other.


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MA Is The Canary In The Coal Mine, So Is CA (2.00 / 2)
Chris, the people of MA are signaling buyer's remorse as a result of Deval Patrick. They're not happy with him and see Obama as Patrick II. This is why he lost the MA primary, despite the backing of Kerry, Kennedy and Patrick. I lived in Boston for several years, and I can state from that experience Boston is not going to vote for Obama over McCain, whereas they will vote for Hillary. Likewise, in CA, what you're seeing is lukewarm acceptance of Obama now, which can easily translate into a McCain victory or battleground due to Arnold's support and the Latino vote. While CA MAY still go Dem in November, it's not a sure thing where Obama is concerned, which points out his major weakness in the electoral map. These are states a Dem shouldn't have to spend resources to defend, but he will have to, making his chances in the swing states highly unlikely. This is why the SD need to take a good look at the electoral map and go with the candidate who could concentrate on the swing states.

What you should be debating is which of the two - Hillary or Obama - will fair better in the GE without your rose-colored glasses, cause this isn't a done deal yet. In case you hadn't noticed, except for A/A voters, Hillary is now cutting into Obama's college age constituency and more affluent voters. He hasn't cut into hers, and he doesn't stand a chance in the general without them.


Sigh... (4.00 / 3)
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/20...

Obama beats Clinton in Boston.  So why would Clinton do better than Obama there against McCain?

Please, this is just pathetic.


[ Parent ]
Is Boston (0.00 / 0)
the entire state? And who do the demographics favor?

[ Parent ]
I don't think Obama will have any problem with MA... (4.00 / 4)
But I'm responding specifically to the ridiculous statement in the actual post I'm responding to, which says that Obama will lose Boston to McCain. If you believe that, then pretty much anything you say lacks credibility.

[ Parent ]
As a MA resident and activist Democrat it pains me to write that Obama (0.00 / 0)
may lose MA.....but he may if this interavctive map is anything to go by.

Link here

I live the area just south of Boston - from Quincy to the Cape called the South Shore and we also call that region Cranberry Country - the reddest part of a blue state. Scroll over some of those towns and see those totals. And then scroll around the rest of the state. It's not pretty.

He needs to win those Democrats that voted for HC but if some of them stay home or some of them decide to switch and vote for McSame it doesn't look good. The perception of Deval Patrick's first year has not helped Obama .... essentially the same campaign message and playbook but with truly horrible first year governing when Deval essentially got rolled by a the Democratic Speaker of the House who by his behavior acts like Tom Delay( maybe not quite that bad, but bad for a Democrat)... a real hard ass. When all the same talk about 'ending partisan bickering' was used by Deval Patrick - DiMasi just acted like a school yard bully who stole the new kid's lunch money every single day and Deval was trapped by the 'ending partisan bickering' line; the voters in MA aren't buying that line...it smacks of naivete.

If Obama drops that and just shows toughness against McSame, and toughness about Republican policies that have gotten us to this point, I think a lot of those normally reliable Democratic voters in MA will 'come home' to Obama and the Democratic Party.

What worries me is the work that I know will need to be done to shore up MA and that effort precludes the effort we could be sending to NH as we did in 2004.

This isn't going to be easy.


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Well if you had any credibility (1.00 / 4)
to tell others whether they have credibility you might have something - but you don't.

Now that hurt to post that. But it sounds pretty stupid doesn't it? But that is how you post, post after post after post.

Always the personal attack from you which gives you zero credibility.

And you know what? Your personal attacks don't mean shit really. Any asshole can act like an asshole and you do a good job of it.


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You set such a high standard (0.00 / 0)
its getting hard to effectively compete.


"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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I've lived in Boston since 1993. (4.00 / 6)
And have been in Massachusetts all but 2 years.

I agree that there's some buyer's remorse with Patrick, mainly because he hasn't been as good at getting legislation passed as hoped.

But the notion that Boston (never mind the state--BOSTON!) is going to go for McCain is nowhere near reality.  South Boston maybe, but Boston is around 50% racial minority!

Boston went for Obama roughly 60-40 in the primary, and people here hate republicans.  If McCain does well in Massachusetts--and I HIGHLY doubt that McCain will come within 10 on election day--it will be via cleaning up on the South Shore and the non-coastal areas north of Boston = the areas which went red in the 2006 gov. race, and are more socially conservative.


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Oh, and about "not cutting into her" base... (4.00 / 4)
http://www.gallup.com/poll/107...

Maybe you should do some research first rather than, you know, just making stuff up.


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I Trust The Voters Over Gallup (0.00 / 0)
...which last night in Oregon showed her cutting into his base but he failed to do so with hers.

Likewise, how about that SUSA poll showing Clinton beating McCain in NC while Obama loses to McCain. Now why is that, when he supposedly won the primary? One would think it would be the other way around.

Personally, I don't believe either would win NC. My point is whichever Dem is nominated is defending the Kerry map plus 1. Clinton can do this. Obama can't.

And that basis alone should be the bottom line for SD. Obama simply is the bigger risk that puts to much into play.


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Arrgh! (4.00 / 1)
By your logic, Obama made huge inroads into Clinton's base since he did much better in Oregon than he did in West Virginia and Oregon was the most recent election! You can't make comparisons between states with significantly different demographics. The only way to make a statistically valid comparision is to hold the sample populations as constant as possible. Gallup does this by sampling nationwide over a number of days. Is is foolproof, of course not. But you do realize that exit poll data is polling data as well and has the same potential errors as a national poll, don't you?

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Obama Didn't Make Inroads Into Clinton's Base At All In OR (0.00 / 0)
Look at the CNN map. She carried the rural areas. He didn't. He has yet to prove he can carry significant rural areas in a number of key states. This means WV, PA, and OH are out of his reach as they likely will go for McCain. Kerry barely squeaked by in PA as it was against Bush in 2004, and Obama is not likely to achieve even that. Same with OH and WV.

Look, I get it that the majority here are Obama supporters, but reality has to sink in at some time. My initial post is that Obama more than likely won't win MA, or at best will have to heavily defend in order to retain it. McCain is not regarded as Bush III in that state by a long shot, and many Dems who would not normally vote GOP will not find it hard to vote for him. This is the state that's also elected nothing but Republican governors for a long stretch between Dukakis and Patrick, so an Obama victory can't be taken as a given. Patrick is viewed as a disaster due to his inexperience on that level, and Obama will be viewed through the same lens.

It's why a majority of Hillary supporters won't vote for the guy in the first place.


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Sorry, Obama isn't losing MA or Boston... (4.00 / 5)
And if you believe that, you're the one completely disconnected from reality.

And as a note, the Democrats almost never carry the rural areas in the GE...  To suggest that Clinton will simply because she wins them in a Democratic Primary is ridiculous.  Could she perform maybe marginally better in those areas than Obama?  Maybe... but maybe Obama performs better elsewhere (see, cities, mountain states, etc).

The argument is ridiculous... The Democratic Primary for most people is about first and second choices... Many people in some of the areas you mentioned simply like Clinton better and Obama is their second choice.

And, for the record, KY and WV are out of reach for both candidates.  Using them to somehow extrapolate to the entire country is silly.


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That's absurd (4.00 / 3)
In Oregon, Obama got 51% of WHITE WOMEN.  That's on par (if not better) than his performance in Wisconsin.  It's Hillary's base. He got 49% of the 60 and older vote! Also Hillary's base (he even got 45% of the 65 and older vote which has been a brutal demo for him). He even won those who make under $50,000, 54-45.  The only clear demo he lost was those with just a high school education, 46-53 (yet, he won the 'no college degree' group 52-38). http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21...

Your claim is thus reduced to Obama didn't win the east Oregon rural counties, areas which Poblano has said are some of the most conservative in the country.

Finally, Obama did win Boston in the primary, and while Clinton does run stronger in MA, the most recent poll (in APRIL) had Obama up 12, while Clinton was up 19.  So yes, Mass is somewhat less safe for Obama then Clinton.  There are other states as we have noted many times that are safer for Obama than her (Connecticut, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Washington, Oregon).

In all fairness, as a reader, I have no choice but to believe you're being deliberately obtuse given your prior statements.


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Why does Obama need to carry rural Oregon (4.00 / 3)
When the reason it has turned blue is population growth in the cities?  Look at his vote in the Portland area.

John McCain--He's not who you think he is.

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Wrong (4.00 / 3)
This is trolling.  Please back up your assertions with facts.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talk...

Obama beat Hillary by sizable margins among all ages of white voters except those 60 and older. And he beat Hillary among voters with no college degree, too -- and since the state is overwhelmingly white, these voters are the ones he's supposed to have trouble with.

Late Update: The exits also show that Obama also beat Hillary by seven points among voters making less than $50,000 (though she won among voters making between $15,000 and $30,000).

What's more, Obama also won among voters from a household with a union member.

Obama doesn't have a working class problem.  He has an Appalachia problem.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c...


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More votes in urbanized areas! (4.00 / 1)
I don't care how many counties a person carries in a state, just how many votes they get. When Gore carried PA, he didn't carry the rural counties. Same thing with Kerry. When Rendell ran for governor, he didn't carry the rural counties. Hell, when Casey trounced Santorum 59-41 he lost most of the rural counties. And Casey is going to get more white working class votes than Clinton will ever get. Its the total number of votes a person gets that counts, not the number of counties they carried.

Although I would love for the Democratic candidate to carry every county in PA, its just not that important in carrying the state in November.


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I guess you didn't look at Gallup (4.00 / 1)
Gallup had a very interesting post the other day showing that Obama is cutting into almost every one of Clinton's core supporters.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/107...

You can't compare how Obama or Clinton performed in a certain demographic group in one state with how they performed in a dissimilar state two months earlier. The only way to make valid comparisions is to look at the same population over time.

And if you had looked at the recent polls out of California, or at the pollster.com trend lines, you would have noticed that Obama is out performing Clinton in the state.


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But ... but ... (4.00 / 3)
But Karl Rove's Mathâ„¢ says that Hillary would be a wonderful Democratic nominee, and Hillary agrees!  Seriously, would you be the one to dare impugn the motives of that moral paragon, Mr. Rove.  a fine, upstanding young man who revolutionized the American political landscape.

And none of that will change when Rove is frog-marched off to jail for using his machine to falsely convict Siegelman.  Moral freaking paragon, I tell ya.


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Obama will not lose CA (4.00 / 3)
The Latino vote in CA is not going to support McCain.  Schwarzenegger's support didn't help Bush; the issue is how well McCain can campaign in CA.  Obama is solid in the Bay Area and he will take LA as well, with support in OC and SD, somewhat similar to his support in Silicon valley.  That will be enough.

John McCain--He's not who you think he is.

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Right on! (4.00 / 1)
Absolutely.  Anyone who thinks Obama doesn't win California isn't paying attention.  Obama is not running against Hillary in November; he's running against McCain.  Silicon Valley is Obama's fund-raising base, and there's no way McCain upends him in SF, Silicon Valley or Hollywood.  McCain might get Bakersfield, and then only if he's lucky.  Obama takes Calif. by 15 points on Election Day, no question.

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California (4.00 / 1)
Memo to John McCain:  Please work hard to win California.  Spend lots of your time and money here.  

To Sane Readers:  California will remain a safe Obama state.  


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identity politics? (4.00 / 2)
To add to everyone else's objections to this whole argument, I think the "Obama as Patrick II" comment from the original poster is unnerving to say the least.  

In the absence of any concrete facts/details about WHY Obama and Patrick are being compared here (and I think you could make a case along the lines of "change/hope candidate" or "Axelrod candidates"), I'm concerned that the analogy was a racial one only -

and I for one will give the voters of MA more credit than that, especially since that's not the way we've seen identity politics in terms of race playing out outside of Appalachia.  


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Good God (0.00 / 0)
When I see stuff like this I'm always tempted to TR it, but I hold back because it just doesn't seem right to TR something that isn't factually inaccurate, but has a whole bunch of laughable, moronic conjecture.  But this, this is so stupid, so unbelievable, so laughable if it weren't so pathetic, that I'm giving in and doing it.

This is the best progressive blog out there in my view.  Please stop polluting it with this noise so we can focus reality based discussion.


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Different Views (0.00 / 0)
175-174 Dems - 189 undecided
http://www.270towin.com/

221-185 Repubs - 132 undecided
http://prorev.com/electmap.htm

270-267 McCain vs Obama
274-263 Clinton vs McCain
Poblano at http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/

285-553 McCain Vs. Obama
310-228 Obama vs. McCain

http://www.mydd.com/


285-553 McCain Vs. Obama (0.00 / 0)
should be 285-253

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Obama benefits from narrow margins to reach McCain (4.00 / 2)
Here's what is so encouraging. The percentage margins are really narrow. Only one state (OK) has a McCain lead bigger than 30 points. Only six states (AL, AR, NE, TN and UT) have McCain leads bigger than 20 points. A lot of the toss-up and lean McCain states have margins like what Obama started with and overcame to beat Clinton.

Which of those states does Obama have a good chance of winning? I think OH will be a key again. MI, WI and SC are good prospects. FL is by no means a McCain lock, and VA and NC I think are within reach.



Three Requisites to win an election for a Dem (0.00 / 0)
1) Win home state
2) Win Independents
3) Win Ohio

No matter the math, Ohio has to be in that mix. Just ask John Kerry and John Edwards.  


No, no, no! (4.00 / 6)
We can't get in the mindset that one, and only one, state is the key to winning the election. There are a number of pathways to the White House for Democrats in 2008 and Ohio plays a part. However, it's much too risky to ignore all of the other states that may be winnable in the fall to concentrate on only one of them.

And if we use Kerry's states as the base, the combination of Nevada, Iowa and Colorado would do the trick. As would Florida, or Ohio, or numerous other combinations.


[ Parent ]
one state mindset (4.00 / 1)
I agree with that and the great thing about Obama is that he's got the money raising ability and organizing ability to run a broader campaign that opens up a number of winning pathways to victory.

McCain is the one who will be forced into the one state mindset. He'll have trouble fund raising and trouble getting support from the Repub base. He'll have to stake everything on winning a few big swing states like OH, IN or MI.


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Not my idea (0.00 / 0)
It's history that dictates.  Hopefully Obama can create history, but it's just what it is for now.  

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History never dictates. n/t (4.00 / 3)


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A Republican hadn't won without carrying California until 2000 (4.00 / 1)
Before George W. Bush, no Republican had ever won the presidency without carrying California.  Times change.  Just because something was crucial in 2004 doesn't mean it will be in 2008.

Al Gore "won" Florida, and would have been president in 2000 without Ohio, had the Supreme Court not stopped the vote counting.


[ Parent ]
Agree it's not QUITE true (4.00 / 1)
that Obama needs Ohio, but we're talking inside straight if he manages to win without it. Florida is pretty much a goner, short of a McCain implosion. The South (including quasi-border states like NC) is gone, despite what some dreamers might think. So assuming Obama wins all the other Kerry states other than New Hampshire (and that's a bit of an assumption), he needs, what, 25 EV's somewhere else? Iowa, sure. Colorado is 50/50. New Mexico looks pretty good. Where are we then? Still a few short. If we have to rely on Obama pulling out Missouri or Indiana, then God have mercy.  

[ Parent ]
EVs (4.00 / 1)
"So assuming Obama wins all the other Kerry states other than New Hampshire (and that's a bit of an assumption), he needs, what, 25 EV's somewhere else?"

Actually he would need 22 EVs to get to 270.

But if you really want to get technical, he only needs 21 EVs (assuming he wins both ME congressional districts). This is because if it's a tie in the electoral college at 269, then the race is thrown into the House of representatives where each state delegation gets one vote. Since we've picked up so many seats in 2006 (and have now flipped MS thanks to Childers win) we control a majority of state delegations and will win a tie.

NOW....Assuming Obama wins all of Kerry's states minus NH, that gives him 248 EVs. The remaining lean Obama states (as of now) are:
IA - 7 EV
NM - 5 EV
CO - 9 EV

which equals....21 electoral votes!

So although that's not an ideal situation, I do take it as meaning that we have a little bit of breathing room. If we just shore up the Kerry states, hold the three that are looking good for Obama now, and then go all out to take NH, OH, VA, NC, and NV then I feel pretty good about getting at least one of those states and then we're set.  


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I'll repeat a comment I've made before (4.00 / 1)
McCain is not going to win New Hampshire.  

I don't care what the polls say, there's just no way.  New Hampshire is the front crest of the wave of blue that has rolled over New England.  The 06 midterms here were as resounding a defeat of Republicans as you're likely to ever see.  We now control the whole state Congress (for the first time in 100 years), the governorship, both national Congressional seats, and we'll get one of the Senate seats in November.  Lynch won by 50+ points in the governor's race.

McCain has a lot of residual supporters who remember him as the maverick in 2000, but that will fade as the campaign heats up and people realize he's just another one of the suits they've been busy kicking to the curb for the last 3 years.


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Ok (0.00 / 0)
Cool...then we're up to 273.

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Thank you for pointing this out (0.00 / 0)
And if we use Kerry's states as the base, the combination of Nevada, Iowa and Colorado would do the trick. As would Florida, or Ohio, or numerous other combinations.

Exactly.  Nevada or New Mexico, for that matter.  Given what we have seen from Obama, I would totally bet on him to win all three of those states.

I think the one thing that we aren't talking enough about is the consequences of our financial advantage.  McCain is not going to be able to go on offense very much as we already know.  But it's also likely that he won't have the resources to defend all the big Bush states.  One of the big ones, like Ohio, Virginia or Florida, will go blue.  


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Au Contraire (4.00 / 1)
Kerry lost a number of states that Obama has a good chance to pick up, which would offset the loss of Ohio.  Ohio has 20 Electoral Votes, and had Kerry won it, he would be president.  But he also lost these states to Bush:  

New Mexico       5 EVs
Colorado         9 EVs
New Hampshire    4 EVs
Iowa             7 EVs
Nevada           5 EVs

That's 30 EV's Obama has a very good chance of winning, which would more than offset an Ohio loss.  


[ Parent ]
I hear you (0.00 / 0)
But it is true, no Dem has won the WH without those requisites, including the home court.  Just ask Al Gore.  If he had won TN, he wouldn't have needed FL.

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If he had won NH... (4.00 / 1)
Or any number of other small states, he wouldn't have needed Florida, either. That's the point. If any state with at least 4 EV would have flipped from Bush to Gore, Gore would have won the election.

Since that includes a vast majority of the states Bush won, the fact that Florida was closest doesn't really matter. There are any number of states that can get you to 270.  

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Kerry Won NH... (0.00 / 0)
Gore lost it.  

Further Reading

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I hope the Obama campaign runs national cable ads (4.00 / 1)
and there are going to have to be effective "contrast" ads.  

New Jersey politics at Blue Jersey.

a landslide in the making (0.00 / 0)
:)

Reverse Coattails (4.00 / 3)
We always talk about how a candidates coattails can help down ticket contests.   It can go the other way too.  

We have strong Democratic Senate candidates in VA, NM & CO.  This could bring out more Democratic voters and that will be helpful in all three of these states.   I'm particularly optimistic about VA.  This may come into play in AK and SC as well.    


North Dakota (4.00 / 1)
Byron Dorgan is also a very good progressive senator, especially on issues like fair trade and labor.  

There is another way of looking at this. (4.00 / 2)
Point 1:
In terms of the number of votes needed, you get more bang for your buck in small states.  Remember, you get an electoral college vote for the representatives AND the senators.  Wyoming gets three times the votes per person.  It just seems complicated to have to win in so many places, but you could be talking about persuading 50,000 people in a whole state.  And helping down ticket as well.  Haven't you guys been reading your blogs?
Point 2:
Obama's strength has been organizing locally and getting out the vote.  Do that in small, overlooked states and they'll never know what hit them.  
Point 3:
There are two groups which are consistently under-polled:  Blacks and Under 25's who only have cell phones. Obama leads in those groups close to three to one.  Not only that, they're primed to turn out in record numbers this year. He might really carry South Carolina, what with a large, motivated African-American community, and Stephen Colbert.  

Poblano (4.00 / 2)
Frankly, I think Poblano at FiveThirtyEight has the best models for forecasting.  Currently he's projecting Hillary as doing better than Obama, but I think that's mostly a result of Hillary having gotten a lot less negative the last few weeks and Obama supporters seeing her as less of a threat (and therefore no longer registering "spite votes" in the polls).

It's a very recent swing (around a week), and is tied mostly to Hillary's numbers improving with the Democratic base, especially African-Americans.  I think she's leading on a "reconciliation" wave that will catch up for Obama about 2 weeks after her supporters accept that it's over.

Of course, if she really does fight all the way to the convention, that will be in September.  I'd hate for Obama to be forced to drive her engatives back up to keep her from making an "electability" argument.


Electoral college (0.00 / 0)
There's  a pretty cool website that allows you to play with every possible electoral college scenario:

http://www.270towin.com/

As for South Carolina, yeah, it's probably gonna go McCain in November, bu it might be a lot more up for grabs than we imagine.

The population of the state is about 30% African American. If that demographic votes overwhelmingly for Obama and in very high numbers (which they almost certainly will), it puts a huge amount  of pressure on the Republicans to deliver a very sizable majority of the remaining voters.

It doesn't take a political scientist or a math major to see that a similar demographic outlook could actually put Mississippi (36% African American) into play. Let's say Candidate A locks down 90% of 40% of the total vote to start the game. Candidate B obviously needs to run very hard to catch up over the remaining 60%, while Candidate A would need only about 25% of the remaining, (non-African American) vote to end up with a majority.  


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