Hillary who? (4.00 / 1)

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by: the new @ Thu May 22, 2008 at 14:31:40 PM CDT

It's true here too (4.00 / 1)

Tremayne's diary about Hillary this morning has by far the most attention judging by the comments.  

My diary on Hillary's tenacity earlier this month was by far my most commented on diary too.

 

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by: Daniel De Groot @ Thu May 22, 2008 at 14:48:01 PM CDT

Question: (4.00 / 1)

Whatever its myriad causes are, we in the blogosphere need to do our part in stopping a focus on Clinton, and shifting toward the general election... The blogosphere drives media coverage more than we often realize, and our continuing obsession with Hillary Clinton is just not helpful... We all need to just let the nomination campaign go... Let's all move on, and complete the task we set out to do: win the presidency, and bring progressive change to America.

How does one move on from talking about Hillary Clinton if it turns out to be the case that the Clinton machine itself intends to move (or is now moving) directly from campaigning for the nomination, to semi-publicly campaigning for Clinton to be given the VP slot?

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by: mcc @ Thu May 22, 2008 at 14:50:09 PM CDT

She is not going to be VP. (0.00 / 0)

We should ignore that too.

miasmo.com

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by: miasmo @ Thu May 22, 2008 at 15:50:00 PM CDT

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I have been glad for the recent pieces that addressed the sexism (4.00 / 3)

in toto. It's been 10,000 tiny digs, and it's gratifying to have all that nonsense rounded up together and substantively analyzed.
And I was never an HRC supporter, just a chick whose worked in too many male dominated fields to have much tolerance left.
 

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by: sb @ Thu May 22, 2008 at 14:54:36 PM CDT

Easier said than done (4.00 / 2)

There's a very important and fascinating behind the struggles going on right now between the Clinton and Obama camps, party leaders and super delegates as they negotiate the terms of her exit.  I think you are right there's a lot typical village obsession with the Clinton going on here which we are complicit in (just as we were in declaring this "over" when Russert said so), but nonetheless the behind the scenes nature of what's playing out adds a layer of mysetery and uncertainty that sort of feeds all this talk about the Clintons.  Admittedly, I come to places like Kos, Openleft, MyDD and TPM to get the rumors and backstory about these behind the scenes happenings that I can't get anywhere else.  The media is incapable of telling this complicated political story and guys like you and Matt are, although without tons of access to top staffers, you guys are a bit hampered as well.  

It comes down to what we all realized back in March.  Hillary lost but the Clintons have the power such that they don't have to walk away until they decide to walk away.  We can pretend that she's done and irrelevant but she and Bill have the power to hamper Obama's chances in the general, or to a lesser extent, his ability to govern once elected.  And while the media finally gave Obama the "gift" of acknowledging the reality that Clinton had lost, they are more than happy to watch the Clintons weaken Obama enough so that they get to call McCain the "comeback kid"/Maverick/Mr. Awesome" as he makes a race of it in November.  

One more thought: the blogosphere is nothing if not engaged and well informed.  We know how important it is that a Democrat win this year, and even the slightest situation that bears on the likelihood of that happening will warrant my attention.  At times I wish I wasn't so obsessed, but that's the way it is.  

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by: roberto_jordan @ Thu May 22, 2008 at 15:01:02 PM CDT

Chris ... (0.00 / 0)

It makes me feel like the entire political world are a bunch of cool kid wannabes in high school who can't stop gossiping about the downfall of the queen bee, ala Mean Girls or Heathers.

How often do you read Digby?  She's been saying this for a long while now(a few years at least).  Why do you think Atrios, Markos and Glennzilla sing her praises?

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by: Calvin Jones and the 13th Apostle @ Thu May 22, 2008 at 15:21:50 PM CDT

Ignore this stuff at your peril... (4.00 / 2)

...I'm coming around to Rachel Maddow's warning.  We can no longer ignore what HRC IS capable of!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

She IS capable of bringing the Party down, unless those delegates whose loyality is to the Party first come out for Obama NOW.

This fight has gone on far too long.  McCain's campaign is loving it.

BTW this isn't gossip:

Florida delegates sue DNC over primary votes
http://www.abcactionnews.com/n...

Self-destruct mode...

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by: SandThroughTheEyeGlass @ Thu May 22, 2008 at 15:43:24 PM CDT

she's really starting to freak me out (2.00 / 2)

My fear is that her final argument is that if the supers don't give her the nomination, she will quietly urge her supporters not to vote for Obama.  It's stupid of course, but from the things she's been saying recently, I think she's more than a little unbalanced.  

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by: bennytoothpick @ Thu May 22, 2008 at 16:00:00 PM CDT

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Here's a CLUE (0.00 / 0)

Hillary Clinton doesn't have to "whisper" to her supporters about not voting for Obama. You act as if we're just a bunch of dummies being led to the sea like lemmings. The truth is, almost all of us had and have serious reservations about Barack Obama's ability to a) lead; b) govern; and c) get elected in a GE. We have had these concerns for months. This isn't "new". We support Clinton because she is the strongest candidate in a GE and because of her policies and proposals, and because she actually has a record of accomplishment in the U.S. Senate. She's ranked 9/100 for her leadership, her legislative accomplishments, and her ability to work across party lines.

Grow up and stop treating women who don't support your version of god as stupid!

And the whole "unbalanced" comment you made is just pathetic. You don't even know how sexist this is...THIS is one of our problems with so many progressive AND conservative men, and those in the media. Do some mind and emotional work about women, will ya?

And if you ARE a woman, take a look and a listen to what you do to minimize and dismiss other women when you make comments like this.

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by: mabelle55 @ Fri May 23, 2008 at 00:35:45 AM CDT

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Wow... you have some issues... (0.00 / 0)

and I'm a woman... so I'm hoping you allow me to have an opinion in your world...?

"...because she actually has a record of accomplishment in the U.S. Senate."

...and Obama hasn't?  You're an embarrassment to my sex.

Look this sexism is gettin real old... It might work for the domestic market in an HRC world, but out in the real world, with real issues the sexism shill cry isn't gonna work...  or are you hoping that HRC uses those nuts of steel and threaten to nukes countries if they dare laugh at her?

Wow... just wow...!

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by: SandThroughTheEyeGlass @ Fri May 23, 2008 at 00:44:57 AM CDT

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Not sure how we ignore her... (4.00 / 1)

When she continues to make crazy assertions about why Obama isn't a legitimate nominee.  Is this not something we should be concerned about and fight back against, as many of her supporters may just accept this as fact.  That's not something we can just ignore.

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by: leshrac55 @ Thu May 22, 2008 at 18:10:11 PM CDT

it's not over yet (0.00 / 0)

senator clinton has not yet lost and senator obama has not yet won so perhaps this fact is why the former as well as the latter are still in the news.  in terms of the argument that senator clinton may "bring the party down," i don't buy it unless you think that the democratic process itself will lead to our demise?    

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by: txyellowdawg @ Thu May 22, 2008 at 19:47:02 PM CDT

And...? (0.00 / 0)

Here are the number of headlines each candidate has appeared in over the last four days:

Obama: 919
Clinton: 651
McCain: 562

I guess this just makes up for the overzealous media coverage of the O-child, "chills up my leg" and all...

Much the same can be seen on the blogs. Five of the eight recommended diaries at Daily Kos right now are about Hillary Clinton (here, here, here, here, and here), while another is about comparing Clinton and Obama swing state polling.

Why don't you - or some secure male - take a stab at the psychology of this? I think it's fear of and discomfort about powerful women (or, maybe, as Erica Jong noted, it's momism).  

For Clinton to still be surpassing McCain in news coverage and blog coverage, despite everyone knowing that the outcome of the primary season is a foregone conclusion, is telling

Sure is!

It makes me feel like the entire political world are a bunch of cool kid wannabes in high school who can't stop gossiping about the downfall of the queen bee, ala Mean Girls or Heathers.

Yeah, what else is new? That's about ALL the online lefties have done, pretty much since Day 1 of the campaign season. "Girls" don't have anything on you guys as far as whining, nastiness, crass behavior, and insecurity go...

HRC isn't going away. And as long as the DNC keeps f*cking with Florida and Michigan and telling everybody else to screw themselves (thanks to Howard Dean, another insecure lefty male), as long as Obama keeps dragging his feet, and as long as he keeps doing absolutely nothing to reach out to women that he, his surrogates and his supporters have 'dissed and walked-on, she will continue to be in the news (as will we).

ALSO: Three primaries remain. Obama hasn't won yet.

So, if you want to focus your ammo on John McCain, go ahead. A whole lotta the left has a whole lotta amends to make to Hillary Clinton and to her supporters. That is, if you'd like us to actually vote in November.

As far as I'm concerned, women have been shafted every which way this time around: by media, by our progressive (ahem) male "friends", and by right-wing Republicans. Of course, often these days it's been difficult to tell the left from the right without a score card, considering that a whole lotta "lefties" joined in - and often started - the slimeball right-wing tactics and talking points.

A lot of us (women AND men) don't give a damn if Obama or McCain wins the GE.  

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by: mabelle55 @ Fri May 23, 2008 at 00:28:40 AM CDT

HRC is more interesting than McCain (4.00 / 2)

Are you seriously complaining that HRC is getting more press than McCain?

I think it's great that even our likely 2nd place finisher is still getting more press than their candidate.

Could it simply be that McCain is a tired old bore and that Hillary Clinton is more interesting than he is? Why would we want people to stop talking about our candidates?

According to your numbers, she's not getting more attention than Obama. As one would expect, since he's the likely nominee. That she's getting more attention that McCain is simply fantastic.

That a lot of the blog postings are negative attention from Obama fanboys is unfortunate obsessing on their parts. If Obama supporters are upset that HRC is getting so much attention, then perhaps they should try boosting their guy instead of going after Hillary. Or going after McCain instead.

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by: carrieboberry @ Fri May 23, 2008 at 05:49:49 AM CDT

Ignore Her? (0.00 / 0)

Fuck that. She's clearly employing a scorched-earth campaign so she can set herself up for '12. We, as Democrats and Progressives, need to pressure her to stop this madness.

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by: Tom @ Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:54:14 AM CDT