Veepstakes: There Is No Future

by: Chris Bowers

Tue May 27, 2008 at 22:37


Josh Patashnik at TNR pens what I would normally consider a pretty thoughtful piece on choosing a Vice-President. Just as Howard Dean, with the fifty-state strategy, has turned the DNC into a long-term party building organization instead of a slush fund for media consultants, and just as the value of contested primaries as party building activities is gradually coming into focus, Patashnik argues that the selection of the Vice-President should also be an exercise in party building, rather than a futile attempt to gain an ephemeral advantage in a single election.

In my view, the veepstakes frenzy currently descending upon us focuses on entirely the wrong set of questions. The debate is usually cast in terms of who can help win the election in November. I'll have more on this in a piece that will be on the website later this week, but the evidence indicates that running-mate selections usually have zero impact on election outcomes, even in the running mate's home state.(...)

By contrast, a vice-presidential nominee is somebody who (in addition, of course, to being potentially a heartbeat away from the presidency) will instantly become one of the four or five most recognizable figures in the party, and will likely be a frontrunner for the presidential nomination at some point in the future. It's somebody who, with any luck, will be popular enough to campaign with and raise money for candidates across the country for years to come. And yet the conversation hardly focuses on this at all. One of the most important things a party does is cultivate talent for the future, and selecting a vice presidential nominee is absolutely critical in that regard... I can give you three reasons why the GOP presidential field was so weak this year: Dick Cheney, Jack Kemp, Dan Quayle.(...)

I'm not totally opposed to the idea of an Obama-Clinton ticket, but this strikes me as one of the main arguments against it. Hillary is already a major figure on the national stage; she will continue to be very influential regardless of whether she's the veep nominee. There is no shortage of promising prospects who could achieve much if given that level of stature--why pass up the opportunity to put one of your rising stars in that position?

Good idea. And if I favor contested primaries and the fifty-state strategy because of their long-term party building effects, I should also favor elevating a new, rising progressive star rather than, say, John Edwards as VP, right?

Nope. After looking at the Senate Forecast today, I am actually inclined to disagree with this seemingly sensible, long-term party building approach when it comes to picking a VP. This is because the time period from 2009-2012, and maybe for two more years afterward, will probably be the only stretch of time over the next forty years when Democrats will have 60+ seats in the Senate. The odds of reaching 60 are pretty decent this year, since we are actually only 3-5% away in five different states from hitting 62 seats already. Now, throw in the 2010 picture, when Republicans will have to defend another 19 seats--including eight freshman, Jim Bunning, Arlen Specter, and David Vitter--compared to only 14 seats and two freshman (one of whom is Barack Obama) for Dems, and the number could rise into the mid-sixties. Almost inevitably, this number will begin to drop in 2012, and probably drop below 60 for good in 2014. There is no way that we can keep winning two-thirds of all Senate campaigns indefinitely. I mean, the Iraq war will end at some point (I hope).

So, as progressives and as Democrats, we are presented with a four to six year window where we can pass a lot of big legislation, and fast. We probably won't have this sort of opportunity again for at least another twenty years, and probably much longer than even that. This period will also produce an enormous Democratic presidential bench, since we will probably hold 60+ Senate seats and 30+ Governors for about four to six years. That will build us a huge list of strong contenders for the Presidency. As such, the main purpose of the vice-presidential choice should be on building the party's presidential candidate bench long-term, and not building the party long-term in general. Simply put, we have those areas covered. Instead, the purpose of the VP pick should be maximizing our chances at holding the Presidency during the extremely rare, but upcoming, landslide window when we should have around 60 or more Senators for four or six years.

This is our big moment to really pass progressive legislation. The opportunity is on par with FDR's first two terms, and the first three years of the LBJ's Presidency. While the Senate is mainly crawling mainly with New Dems instead of Progressives, this is still going to be our best opportunity for a loooong time, and we need to make sure we have the Presidency in order to make it happen. Throw in the fact that we are facing crippling global disasters from climate change and peak oil, that the USA has been passed as the world's largest economy for the first time in a century (the EU is now larger), that we are running a disastrous war in Iraq, and that we have countless other major crises, the window really can't come soon enough. This is going to be our chance to, for example, pass nearly universal health care, and we ain't gonna get another one for a really long time. We need the Presidency in order to do all of this and take advantage of this narrow window. As such, the VP selection should be maximized to acquire the Presidency. There simply is no future when it comes to the VP pick. The time is now.  

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Maybe you should post this as an op-ed (4.00 / 2)
In the Hill or some other beltway paper that Obama people read.

Because no one is mentioning Edwards right now (maybe that's a good thing as far as his chances go) and the conventional wisdom (but really really stupid wisdom of course) is rapidly consolidating behind Sam Nunn. Sam Freakin' Nunn.


By Obama people I mean Obama Campaign people (4.00 / 1)


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Nunn? (4.00 / 5)
The only conventional wisdom that is talking about Nunn is the Washington Post and other beltway media. Not the Obama campaign. I'd be surprised if he is even asked to submit vetting papers.

I'd say the conventional wisdom in Obamaland on VP is that he should pick someone he can trust. Right now from what I can tell that is Sebelius, Warner (Mark Warner that is), Richardson, Tim Kaine and Janet Napolitano.

The media thinks he should pick a conservative beltway type because that's who they always think the VP should be.  

John McCain: Beacuse lobbyists should have more power


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Oh I agree (4.00 / 3)
I just wish there was a way for our rapidly coalescing conventional wisdom to percolate up to the Obama campaign. Just to get the idea up there and why we think it's a good (even the best) idea.

Not that care one whit about what we think. And I know they're getting lots and lots of unsolicited advice right now. But just for my own piece of mind, it'd be nice to know they're at least thinking about Edwards as a possibility.


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Obama campaign people read OpenLeft (4.00 / 5)
Not necessarily James Johnson or David Axelrod. But some pretty high up people. And I think it's a pretty good bet that Edwards will be asked to submit to the vetting process.  

I think the biggest obstacle to Edwards being VP is Edwards. I'm not sure if he will let his name be considered. We might need a Draft Edwards for Considering VP campaign.

John McCain: Beacuse lobbyists should have more power


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Draft Edwards Sounds Good To Me (4.00 / 3)
Something nice and productive.  

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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Beats idle speculation don't it! (4.00 / 1)


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He's going to say no....He is going to say no...don't bother to ask (4.00 / 1)
You want a realigning election and I want a realigning election and the only choice and I mean the only choice is Hillary Clinton.

Either it's Hillary Clinton or the damage it's going to cause not choosing her could be enough to lose to John McCain.  You and too many Obama supporters are absolutely blind to the degree or anger...blind...and I am one of the few people who writes on this blog can tell you the degree of anger....

Is the anger of women something once again to be ignored? Guess so. Seems it's once more to be discounted.  The only new voters brought to polls were brought by him?...another way of ignoring women....she brought millions of new voters to the polls who don't give a fig for Barack Obama.

Discussing Edwards is being both Don Quixote and Sancho Panza. Any other VP is from the conservative side of the party and will cause defections on their own Ted Strickland, Sam Nunn, Hagel are f***king antichoice.  Every one else is to the right of Hillary Clinton...hell only Edwards and Hillary Clinton are to the left of Barack Obama.

And if I am this angry just think how angry others are...because I vote for Democrats .....even if a meteor hits..most regular voters aren't me.


"Incrementalism isn't a different path to the same place, it could be a different path to a different place"
Stoller


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There are other choices.... (4.00 / 1)
The more I listen to this conversation, the more I would choose Sherrod Brown.  He's progressive, in Ohio, and he did exceptionally well in his first Senate race.  The better our chances look in the Senate as a whole, the more I think we can spare him from that stage.

The second thing you have to do is declare the cabinet at roughly the same time as you declare your VP.  That way, for example, the Edwards supporters gets see him up as an AG candidate, and the Richardson supporters see him as the DOE or SoS candidate, and so on.  

And to that end, while I don't think you can sell Hillary as a valid VP candidate (which I think she doesn't want in either case), you could sell her as a future HHS Secretary, if she wants it.  Let her lead the charge for decent health care in this country, if not completely on her terms.  Health care, after basic civil rights, is the second most important "women's issue" there is for all sorts of reasons, and Hillary could prove herself capable again if she was determined for another bite at the apple in four to eight years.

My two bits...


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She'll take it ...I have not one doubt (0.00 / 0)
It is only Hillary hatred, CDS, that makes her an invalid VP.

And fighting for health care on Obamam's terms is fighting only for a chance to fail....that's what his plan leads to

And women's issues are all issues...I know you didn't mean to be patronizing but you were..

"Incrementalism isn't a different path to the same place, it could be a different path to a different place"
Stoller


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Hillary Clinton won't be VP. She doesn't want to either. Get over it please. She would be a horrible choice and very few 'loyalist' will refuse Obama because he defeated her (fair and square). n/t (4.00 / 1)


End this war. Stop John McCain. Cindy McCain is filthy rich.

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Prioritizing isn't being condescending.... (4.00 / 1)
Women are treated worst in terms of the upholding of their basic civil rights as citizens of this country.  The most obvious example is when their person is violated, or when they are assigned a lesser status in the workplace in large part due to their gender.

The next worst situation is with respect to health, in large part because good health care in this country is tied to time served in the workplace.  Women are expected to drop their participation in the workplace whenever family or civic duties demand that they do so, which in turn puts them, over time, at a severe disadvantage in terms of acquiring decent health care.  And we won't even talk about how ignorant we are of women's physiological systems versus that of men, which is only now coming to light among the general populace.

I have two sisters, and they have suffered more on these two fronts as a result of their gender than I would ever, ever accept as a man.  Most of my cousins are also female.  I have seen this up close and personal, not only in dry statistics or the stories of others that get published.  

Please do not assign a role to me for which you don't understand the implications of assigning.


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It is illegal (0.00 / 0)
It is actually illegal to offer any administration job to a specific person before election day.  It is an aspect of Civil Service Law that dates back to the US Grant administration.  GWBush edged up to the law when he made a big photo-op of Colin Powell during the 2000 election, but if you re-run those tapes all you will find is identifying Powell as someone he would depend on in Foreign Policy areas.  

The most Obama can do is lay out priorities, and the kind (not identity) of people he would appoint.  A good deal can be learned by focusing on who he has on his issues staff during the campaign, and who appears to be working on transition issues.  It is a good deal like reading tea leaves.  


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Cabinet Posts Aren't Civil Service, However (0.00 / 0)
So I doubt if the law applies to them.  

Definitely worth looking into, though.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Interesting (4.00 / 4)
"Ted Strickland, Sam Nunn, Hagel are f***king antichoice."

So the anger of not picking Hillary for #2 would cause women to allow a hard-line anti-choice McCain to become president who would then have the opportunity to appoint 1-3 anti-choice supreme court justices, out of what...pure spite?

If peoples' anger is blinding them to the degree that they would let that happen just because Hillary didn't get picked to be VP, then there's really not much else to be said.

It is rather ironic though. With that level of anger over getting passed over, you'd think they were putting their candidate above Democratic ideals. Sounds like some sort of cult of personality to me. Now where have I heard that before.....(p.s. I was a strong Edwards supporter in the primary, not an Obama supporter).  


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Obama supporters are lettting their personal animuses and bias get (0.00 / 0)
in the way of the picking the most progresssive candidate in this race....so whose anger is getting in the way?

There is every good reason in the world to support her...especially since Edwards and Clinoton are more alike on policy.....She should be your choice because Edwards isn't going to go for it.

"Incrementalism isn't a different path to the same place, it could be a different path to a different place"
Stoller


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ok (4.00 / 3)
1. Hillary is not going to win. Neither is Edwards. I had to get over it. I did. Now I've moved on to fight for the cause. So I do. No use being pissed if something doesn't go right. I move on to the next best choice.

2. Not so sure about Hillary being the most progressive person in this race anymore. She lost me with a lot of her bullshit about white americans and the gas tax. She didn't even have the decency to do what Edwards did and say if people were only voting for her because they wouldn't vote for a black person, then she didn't want their vote. I'd be glad to be proven wrong on that, but I don't think she ever said that.

3. "She should be your choice because Edwards isn't going to go for it." But we can't know that for sure until the VP is actually picked can we? I mean I think there's just as equally a good chance of Hillary NOT being picked because she and Obama "obviously" despise each other at this point. Ya know, as long as we're talking about spite and all...what's to keep Obama from delivering the biggest FU possible by spurning the Clintons now and ending her ambition to be president? Sorta like,"Oh Hillary, thanks for you know, turning lots of white folks against me and helping to race bait for the last 2 months. Appreciate it. Oh..and there's no way in hell you're going to be my VP. Now why don't you go back to that nice subcommittee on the EPW committee you were heading up on toxic waste. Thanks. Bye-bye."

Because you talk about the anger of women voters being dissed. Well it cuts both ways.  


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uh huh, that's right (4.00 / 1)
Because you talk about the anger of women voters being dissed. Well it cuts both ways.

Exactly.

Let's take a brief look at a handful of different constituencies that Hillary has angered since February, when everyone knew how the campaign would end.

-black voters
-caucus states
-urban voters
-red and purple state Democrats
-MoveOn members

I'm leaving out plenty, of course.

She has alienated so many parts of the Democratic base I don't even know where to begin.  She shouldn't be anywhere near the ticket.  This is my own personal opinion, but I feel she has gone so far over the edge we need to start talking about running a primary challenge against her if she tries to run for her Senate seat again.

Then again, I seriously doubt she'll do that.  The only reason she ran for Senate was because she wanted to be President.  Now that the presidency is out of the question she will probably no longer be interested in serving the people of New York.


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Has it occurred to you if both capable of choosing an antichoice VP (0.00 / 0)
that it means he can't really be trusted on the issue...to really fight for the issue...After all one of the reasons I have been against him was his 2005 dkos diary in which he defended the Democratic Senators who voted for Roberts....something he almost did himself if not for a aide who warned him that in a presidiential race it would be a disater.  How much can you care about the matter if you were willing to even consider voting for Roberts.

"Incrementalism isn't a different path to the same place, it could be a different path to a different place"
Stoller


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piffle (4.00 / 2)
I'm just being a smart-ass here, but I mean it.

Why would we go through all the trouble of winning the nomination only to compromise the ticket's integrity?  That doesn't make any sense.  

You know what makes even less sense?  Having a VP on the ticket that has said all manner of atrocious things about the big guy.  The Republican ads would write themselves, not to mention how amazingly weak that would make Obama look.

Luckily, we don't need her, aren't going to deal with her and are going to beat McCain without her.  


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If .. (4.00 / 3)
Because no one is mentioning Edwards right now (maybe that's a good thing as far as his chances go) and the conventional wisdom (but really really stupid wisdom of course) is rapidly consolidating behind Sam Nunn. Sam Freakin' Nunn.

You take your CW from frackin' idiots like David Broder and Richard Cohen ... Sam Nunn is as bad as Republicans on cultural issues .. he's been out of politics for 10 years or more(Do people in Georgia even remember he used to represent them?) .. so you can forget about Nunn


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I don't take it (0.00 / 0)
I just say what it is. Of course it's freakin' idiotic. But those old demons come back that remind me Al Gore's chosen running mate in 2000. And I have that little pang of fear that they'll choose someone really really awful (not necessarily Nunn, but someone equally crappy).

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I hope Obama doesn't pander .. (4.00 / 2)
to Clinton supporters by choosing Evan Bayh .. that would just be plain bad

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You just made me almost cry and vomit all at once. (4.00 / 3)


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I think the clinical term is actually 'cromiting' (4.00 / 4)


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If only .. (4.00 / 3)
Evan Bayh's dad was twenty years younger .. that would be a ticket I'd max out to

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...and alive.... (0.00 / 0)
...assuming you mean Birch Bayh.....

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Maybe (0.00 / 0)
It might still work in Indiana if people just saw his name on the ballot!

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Birch Bayh ... (4.00 / 1)
is still alive now .. and 80 years young

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Then I'm glad to be wrong.... (0.00 / 0)
...about his current health.

(And if he is, dang it, he should be in at least a couple of TV ads for the state party...)


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I don't know .. (4.00 / 1)
maybe he is embarassed by the state party .. considering how progressive Birch was/is .. and what a reactionary his son is .. I wonder what conversations are like around the holiday dinner table .. I saw Birch on C-Span a year or two ago .. and he still looked fired up .. that he disliked Bush as much .. if not more then the rest of us DFH's

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As a Clinton supporter Evan Bayh makes me ill as well (4.00 / 3)


"Incrementalism isn't a different path to the same place, it could be a different path to a different place"
Stoller


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That was Al Gore (4.00 / 4)
As much as I love Al now we have to remember that Al Gore was a founder of the DLC, mostly became a senator beacuse his dad was, a conservative southern Democrat and let conservative hacks run his campaign.

Obama has never been a member of the DLC. Got his start as a community organizer and as part of the reform community in Chicago. His closest adviser is David Axelrod who got his start in politics running the campaign of progressive icon Paul Simon. His two top political and field people are Paul Tewes and Steve Hilldebrand who ran the anti-social security and anti-escalation campaigns. He has a far more progressive staff and the political climate is far better.

The worst people under serious consideration (Kaine, Webb, Warner, Napolitano) are all moderates but they are not that bad for moderates and each are very progressive in some area or another. None are Corporate Joe types. And barring a Edwards VP the one that I think is most likely (Sebelius) is one of the top 5 most progressive governors in the nation if not the most progressive governor in America.  

John McCain: Beacuse lobbyists should have more power


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the big moment (4.00 / 1)
This is our big moment to really pass progressive legislation. The opportunity is on par with FDR's first two terms, and the first three years of the LBJ's Presidency. While the Senate is mainly crawling mainly with New Dems instead of Progressives, this is still going to be our best opportunity for a loooong time, and we need to make sure we have the Presidency in order to make it happen.

I don't understand this assessment at all.  Are we going to get a full legalization for all undocumented people?  Are we going to get all the rights to organize for unions that have been stripped or modified?  Are we going to get some kind of effective control over election financing?  Are we going to get a single-payer health care system?  Are we going to get strong federal statements on equal rights regardless of gender, sexuality, or income?  Will we get safeguards on U.S. foreign policy to prevent the U.S. from committing human rights abuses of all kinds, whether overtly or covertly?

No.  This is a moment where some minimal progress will be made, a significant amount of contineud defensive work against or to improve really shitty policies (some of which Obama will probably introduce or implement) will need to be combatted or engaged with.  The Democrats are winning because they've coopted large swathes of Republican talking points - they've ceded on discourse in exchange for electoral power.  now that electoral power will be there, there should be no more arguments about the need to push back HEAVILY on discourse albeit in a way that doesn't undermine future progress (See connection between courtbased legalization of gay marriage and populist referenda against it used by REpublicans).


Well (4.00 / 6)
" Are we going to get all the rights to organize for unions that have been stripped or modified?"

Absol-frickin-lutely.

You bet your ass with 60 votes in the senate we'll get that. Remember, you only need 60 votes to break the fillibuster, not to pass the damn bill.

But universal health care would also be a HUGE piece of social legislation that we've been trying to get for 70 years. 70 years!

Let's not be too cynical about what is possible. We don't have to have rose-colored glasses. But we should set high goals and try to achieve them. This could be the first time since 1933 that a working conservative majority will not be in control of Congress on either social or economic issues. At times we've broken through those barriers on one or the other. But hardly ever both (e.g. Social security and Wagner Act in 1930s, but 86 the civil rights stuff, Desegregate the army in the 1940s but no universal health insurance). And the only time we did it in the 1960s, with both Medicare/Medicaid and the Civil Rights bill was because we got northern Republicans to go along with us on the Civil Rights Bill.

We seriously have a chance to break up the great cooling saucer of our government without having to break up the Democratic Party or a governing coalition in order to do it.

These are exciting times. Yes, be realistic. But as BushCo would say, defeatism makes us traitors to the cause.


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We're Not Going To GET Anything (4.00 / 10)
We're going to get a chance to fight for these things.

That's all we ever get.  A chance to fight.  The only question is "over what?"

For the first time since at 1994, we will be fighting over versions of things that we want to fight for.

For all his ambitions, LBJ did not plan to fight for the Voting Rights Act in 1965, not just on the heels of the Civil Rights Act in 1964.

And FDR had nothing like Social Security in mind in 1932.  It was Huey Long's "Share Our Wealth" organizing and the Townsend Plan in 1934 that changed all that.

So, yes, we will have a lot of work to do after this election to give meaning to what we win.  That's just how it is.  That's how it's always been--when we've had a chance.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Exactamunto (4.00 / 5)
Huey!

This is really important to beat on. Much as it will take work to elect Obama, it will take even more work to whip his administration and the congress to do what needs doing.

Anyone expecting to win an election and "get something" should review the tape from 1992-1994. It wasn't pretty, and what came after was much, much worse.

Me | My Work | Future Majority


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Four Steps (4.00 / 9)
1. Movement: Build the infrastructure that can defeat the conservative movement.

2. Victory: This was achieved in 2006 when we took back Congress.

3. Trifecta: This is the step we are on now: build a huge trifecta that has a real chance to govern. This will last until 2010.

4. Realignment: From 2009-2011, pass the legislation that makes lives better and installs the positive feedback loops, including new district maps.

5. Affirmation: In 2012, solidify the first four steps by winning again.

And there are steps after that, too, but that is way too far ahead right now. This, however, has been my roadmap since September 2005, when victory first seemed possible. Long way to go, lots of bumps, but it is doable.  


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Did you come up with that? (0.00 / 0)
Or is that something you've read somewhere?  I'm just curious... it's a really good summary, and if you came up with it yourself, I'd be asking when your first book was going to be available. =)

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Agreed (4.00 / 3)
And the VP also needs to be able to help implement those polices. We need someone who will be a fantastic advocate for Obama's polices.

There is no perfect person for the job that fits all the bills but I am increasingly thinking that Edwards is the one for the job.  

John McCain: Beacuse lobbyists should have more power


In Adddition (4.00 / 7)
I think there's a very strong argument to be made that this election is not like most elections, and that VP choice could indeed be very signficant in whether we win, lose, or win decisively.  The reason has to do with the issues we've discussing for some time--defining the direction of the party, building a demographically grounded governing coalition, and defining the terms of debate vs. letting Versailles dictate them to us.

Of course the SUSA VP polls I've been examining support the idea that the VP could really matter, with the huge differences they show in outcome.  But it's the larger arguments that really bolster the view that this is not just some anomalous artifact.  For one thing, neither Obama nor McCain are fully and clearly candidates in their own right (even if you buy McCain as maverick, what the heck does that mean in terms of what he's going to do?)  And neither party's past gives a clearly-defined picture of where it's headed, either.  There is clearly a need for further definition that generally isn't necessary, because the Presidential candidates have handled that themselves in winning their respective nominations to a much higher degree than has happened this time out.

Valatin's diary that I just promoted below, "John Edwards: a supplementary Vice Presidental Candidate" further fleshes out the larger argument I described in the first paragraph, adding, for example, a stress on the role that Edwards as VP could play in advocating for key pieces of legislation, which dovetails quite well with the argument for taking full advantage of the window before us.

The big hope, of course, is that if we take full advantage of that window, it might not close at all.  Or at least, it might only narrow a bit.  But there's time enough to worry about that latter.  Right now, I agree 100% about not expecting it to stay open.  Right now, I say we should do everything possible to maximize our chances right up front.  

Oh, and BTW, there's another way to build the presidential bench.  That's to put together an awesome cabinet that actually gets important stuff done.  Do this with a sprinkling of folks like governors and state AGs and stuff, and we build a Senate bench as well, to strengthen our chances of keeping that 60-seat Senate a little bit longer.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


What chance do you give of that happening? .. (4.00 / 1)
Oh, and BTW, there's another way to build the presidential bench.  That's to put together an awesome cabinet that actually gets important stuff done.  Do this with a sprinkling of folks like governors and state AGs and stuff, and we build a Senate bench as well, to strengthen our chances of keeping that 60-seat Senate a little bit longer.

What faith do you have that Reid and Pelosi will get such legislation passed?  I like what you write, Paul, but I have a hard time putting any faith in Reid or Pelosi.  While everyone praises the fact that the DSCC and the DCCC have raised huge amounts of cash, no one talks about the cost of it.  Do you really think the people who have helped make that possible are just going to role over for UHC?  Or more regulations on the hedge fund industry(or Wall Street generally)?  Or that we'll be able to do what is necessary to pay down the national debt and have a stronger dollar?


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Reid will probably be gone (4.00 / 1)
and Pelosi really is more reliable than she gets credit for--she actually made that theatric stand on FISA (assuming that it doesn't annoyingly come back).  Of course, the ultimate answer is that the Blue Dog/Hoyer wing of the House needs to be weakened.  A dominating Democratic majority in both houses would also drastically reduce fear of Republicans, and a 60 vote majority in the senate would effectively take the fillibuster out of their hands.

If you combine this with a progressive President berating them from the bully pulpit...


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I Expect It Will Be One Helluva Fight! (4.00 / 6)
That's what I expect.

It's a big mistake to equate Reid and Pelosi, BTW.  I understand people's anger and disappointment with Pelosi.  I share some of the disappointment, but not the anger.  Before becoming Speaker, she was a member of the Progressive Caucus.  Give her enough members, even if most of the new ones are not too progressive, and she will find a way to get progressive majorities on lots of bills, because that's what she wants to do.  Reid, well, as others have noted, he's not there for the long haul.  So it's a murkier picture.

But in both Houses a whole lot depends on us and how we push and how we fight.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Reid (0.00 / 0)
Reid, well, as others have noted, he's not there for the long haul.

Why? I've heard this many times in various places, but never the reason.


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I don't intend to speak for Paul (4.00 / 5)
But this jumped out at me.


What faith do you have that Reid and Pelosi will get such legislation passed?  I like what you write, Paul, but I have a hard time putting any faith in Reid or Pelosi.

This isn't about faith.  It's not about what they will do for us.  That's the same old politics.  It reminds me of the contrast between the Clinton campaign's "Yes She Will" rally chants and Obama's "Yes We Can".  The Clinton phrase is reactionary.  It was started as a response to "yes we can," just like Clinton's brand of politics is conceived as a defensive posture on a conservative playing field.  It focuses on what this one person will do for us if only we vote for her and she wins.  It's all about her.

But "yes we can" is about what we can do.  It's about us.  It reflects an attitude that goes on offense.  The difference is stark.

Paul is talking about what we have the potential to fight for, to force these leaders to do through the strength of our movement.  It's not about having faith in Pelosi and Reid to do things for us.  It's about the strength in numbers and organizing that creates a political climate where Reid, Pelosi and Obama don't have a choice but to do these things.  That is helping ourselves.  That kind of politics is a true people-powered politics.

Like Paul said in a comment upthread.

We're going to get a chance to fight for these things.

That's all we ever get.  A chance to fight.  The only question is "over what?"

   

[ Parent ]
Yes (4.00 / 1)
The Cabinet and other appointees (especially ones that work from the state level such as US Attorney's) are a fantastic way to build the bench. For example I know at least two current popular governors of red states (Dave Freudenthal of Wyoming and Janet Napolitano of Arizona) probably wouldn't be there if they had not been US. Attorneys. Likewise Richardson's positions helped him become a hugely popular governor of New Mexico.

The cabinet is also going to have a lot of power as it always does. If Obama picks more conservative people for his cabinet his administration is likely to push more conservative ideas. If he picks more progressive people then he would likely have a more progressive administration.

My realistic progressive (as in Dennis Kucinich is not going to head State) short list for top positions would be something like this:

State: Bill Richardson
Defense: Lawrence Korb
Treasury: Bill Bradly
Attorney General: Eric Holder
Interior: Raul Grijalva
Energy: Jay Inslee
Veterans Affairs: Max Cleland
Health and Human Services: Kathleen Sebelius

That's not a complete list by any means but I think if Obama picked people like that it would be a big win.

John McCain: Beacuse lobbyists should have more power


[ Parent ]
I like throwing Cleland in there (4.00 / 2)
Adding a conservative dem in one of the less policy-heavy departments is a good move to at least placate the conservatives.

[ Parent ]
And he's (4.00 / 3)
very progressive on Vet issues and very qualified (headed the VA under Carter).

I'm fine with adding a few conservatives and Republicans in there but I'd rather they not be in the most important positions.

John McCain: Beacuse lobbyists should have more power


[ Parent ]
Don't forget bi-partisanship! (4.00 / 2)
Chuck Grassley for Ag Sec. and either Susan Collins or Olympia Snowe for Treas. Sec. or Homeland Sec.

You get two more Democratic Senators then that will be around for as long as they want (i.e. Vilsack and either Allen or Michaux).  


[ Parent ]
Susan Collins ... (0.00 / 0)
yuck!! ... she was HoJo's bff .. until John McBush made him a better offer

[ Parent ]
Well whichever (4.00 / 2)
Stick one of 'em in a department where they won't cause trouble and will support administration policy.

Then the gov. of Maine appoints a Democrat to replace them that will be there for the next 18 years.


[ Parent ]
That's a great idea (0.00 / 0)
I'm hoping for a Tom Allen victory in Maine but if she wins Susan Collins is a PERFECT choice for a bipartisan cabinet choice. She'd be fine in Health and Human Services or EPA.

John McCain

[ Parent ]
I don't really like any of our options for Ag Sec (4.00 / 2)
So Grassley might be a decent fit if he would take it. Collins is going down this year. Tres is too important a job to give to Snowe. How about transportation or education or something smaller? Homeland Security wouldn't be the worst idea.  

John McCain: Beacuse lobbyists should have more power

[ Parent ]
Sorry typo (0.00 / 0)
I meant Transportation where I wrote Treasury.

Lord no, not Treasury!  


[ Parent ]
Keep Snowe in the Senate (4.00 / 3)
She's got FU power over the GOP leadership if she stays because she can always flip to an Independent and she'll never lose her seat. Snowe is much more popular than Collins in Maine and Snowe won a majority of Democratic votes cast in her last Senate election. She has the potential to be a very powerful Senator if the GOP shuffles it's leadership from the League of Ogres to something halfway decent.

John McCain

[ Parent ]
Collins it is then... (4.00 / 1)
I like putting them in the Transportation department anyway since New Englanders are strong supporters of amtrak and public transit in general. Plus she doesn't believe like her GOP brethren that a sound labor policy consists of calling out the Pinkerton Guards to break up strikes.  

[ Parent ]
Besides, failure is not rewarded (4.00 / 1)
The other problem with Josh's argument is what happens to failed VP nominees?  I can't even think of Dukakis' running mate's name, Lieberman is a unique case but Edwards was not helped in this nomination fight by being the VP nominee from 2004.  Ferraro neither.  

The bench-building strategy only really works if the ticket wins.  It's an extension of how the Democratic party treats its failed Presidential candidates, the VPs get less of the blame but they aren't exactly exalted either.  

The problem is that defeat means all your flaws are used to explain that defeat.   If your ticket had won, they would be minor defects, and your strengths would be given prominence.  


Which is ... (0.00 / 0)
It's an extension of how the Democratic party treats its failed Presidential candidates, the VPs get less of the blame but they aren't exactly exalted either.

Another reason why Clinton won't give up ... If she isn't the nominee now .. she won't be the nominee in 2016 .. no matter who the VP is now .. what is funny about Dem politics is consultants get 2nd and 3rd chances .. but not failed candidates(meaning those who lose primaries or GE's)


[ Parent ]
Sen. Lloyd Bentsen was the Duke's VP choice (4.00 / 2)
He was Bill Clinton's first Secretary of the Treasury. That's a big job.

Bill Clinton picked a sitting Democratic Senator from Texas as a cabinet choice and Texas hasn't sent a Democrat to the Senate since. Nice party building there Big Dog.

John McCain


[ Parent ]
I just posted this in another thread, but let me repeat this here (4.00 / 9)
This will be the first test of what an Obama Presidency will look like. By this, I mean his selection of the VP. It will tell you which wing of the party he is interested in building upon in his Presidency.

If you and others believe as you do, then whatever power of the press, if any, tht you have in pushing for a progressive to have the VP slot needs to be happening now rather than later, shouldn't it?

Rather than simply writing up these articles- which are convincing, is there anyway to push other A List bloggers to advocate this or to call for pressure on Obama to consider a progressive for VP rather than conservative?

It seems in the Washington CW I am reading this window that you are referring to is endanger of being ignored or squandered to play politics according to the usual pattern of VP selection.


Circumventing the establishment (4.00 / 2)
Not to suggest that this is a motive for the Obama campaign (though perhaps it should be), the choice of a vice president allows the candidate direct control over a leading figure within the party.  Most of the time, you only get to be a leading figure within the party after years of working your way up the established hierarchy (with generally poor results within the last 20 years for the Democratic Party, in terms of progressive leadership).  

This is especially true of state parties in blue states - the benches are so strong that you generally have to wait in line forever to get your chance to be Senator or Governor or whatever, and thus the established party leadership in a state like California or New Jersey or Massachusetts can either pick an establishment candidate or undermine those who successfully circumvented them (see Patrick, Deval).  

Being a presidential candidate gives the unique power to one person of saying "I want you," and that person becomes a force in their own right, outside of the influence of national and state party establishments.  If Obama wished it to be so, he could completely circumvent the established conventional wisdom that says he ought to pick a Nunn or a Biden or a whoever, and pick someone who no one is expecting, but elevates a new party paradigm (progressivism, fifty state strategy, ideally someone who is female, Hispanic, or dare I say LGBT, etc.)  Also, because the power of a president is different than the power of a senator or governor, they are not so easily undermined.

Basically, my point is that Barack Obama could pick someone, a kickass progressive leader from the House or elsewhere, who has some experience, represents the future of the party, and basically give the finger to the establishment.  In doing so, he could achieve all the objectives that Chris rightly mentions, and also use this unique power to elevate that new paradigm - a paradigm that has proven success in 2008 with Obama, and will continue to have success in the future.  Plus, what are the advantages to the "win now" candidates? Does Edwards or Clinton help Obama that much more than someone like Xavier Becerra or Amy Klobuchar? I think you could make that argument, but I'm not sure how large that advantage truly is.


Xavier Becerra? (4.00 / 2)
Please!  I had such high hopes, then he went and voted for NAFTA.

Yeah, I'm an elephant in that one respect.

But your overall point is a good one.  It's just that I am afraid he would pick a Xavier Becerra. Someone who had great promise once, but made a fatal mistake along the way, and has never quite been the same ever since.

I duno.  Tammy Baldwin, maybe?  That would be a hoot.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


[ Parent ]
Hilarious! (0.00 / 0)
"I duno.  Tammy Baldwin, maybe?  That would be a hoot."

In an alternate universe where politics doesn't matter and it doesn't matter who wins, that truly would be great fun to behold.


[ Parent ]
On the plus side (4.00 / 3)
No right-wing talking head suggests Obama should be assassinated ever again.

Forgotten Countries - a foreign policy-focused blog

[ Parent ]
Why Tammy Baldwin? .. (0.00 / 0)
I don't know much about her .. so I am curious why you mention her.

[ Parent ]
Oh, Tammy (4.00 / 5)
The first member of Congress to be initially elected while openly gay, and pretty much the only member of Congress to the left of her is Bernie Sanders.

[ Parent ]
Feingold should be VP (4.00 / 1)
And Tammy Baldwin should take his Senate seat.

[ Parent ]
That's a good one (0.00 / 0)
I don't know enough about Becerra other than his vote ratings from progressive organizations (which seem fairly good on the whole) - though I didn't know he voted for NAFTA (not necessarily a disqualifier for me, but that's another debate), and I'm fairly detached from California politics, in terms of promise vs. fatal mistakes.  Could you fill me in, as you seem far more informed?

Tammy Baldwin - that would be tremendous, but it would never happen in a million years, for obvious reasons (reasons that will also DQ Napolitano, I suspect, even though she's significantly more to the right than Baldwin, though most everyone is).  

The problem is mainly that we can sit here all day, picking apart potential candidates, but in the end there should be a progressive shortlist that we hope Obama will strongly consider - people who can help both this year (though not significantly less so than others, i.e. I'd take Obama-Edwards with 55% rather than Obama-Becerra with 51%, etc.), and in the future.  I do believe both of those ends can be served, though a lot clearly hinges on how much stock you put in the ability of the VP candidate to help the whole ticket.


[ Parent ]
Let's Just Say Folks Were Stunned With Bercerra (4.00 / 3)
And I don't think he's ever looked quite the same ever since.

My sister lives in his district, and he's certainly better than most.  But he was elected with such hope and promise, and basically he's never really delivered.

I wouldn't pretend to be an expert in our local SoCal congressional delegtion, but from what I can tell, the current most promising Hispanic would be Hilda Solis.  But she's a real newbie in Congress.  VP would be a HUGE step up. So I'm not, like pushing her.

Barbara Lee, OTOH.  Heck, why not a black woman along with a black man?  Principle don't have no color.

Comes from a military family, too.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


[ Parent ]
Heck why not Noam Chomsky! (4.00 / 3)
He's been right ALLLLLL along on all questions of foreign policy, no?

You could even have a reinforcement slogan that goes along with him,

"Noam Chomsky...the ultimate enforcer!"


[ Parent ]
Chomsky should be Secretary of State (4.00 / 1)
Like, duh, obviously.

[ Parent ]
Also (4.00 / 2)
Names I sometimes kick around are the Rhode Island Senators, despite their small state:

Sheldon Whitehouse (even though he is relatively new and a Clinton supporter), because he's quite progressive and fits the good government profile of Obama;

Jack Reed (though he would be 68 in 2016) because he's also quite progressive, voted against the AUMF, he's ridiculously popular (78% in 2002, a Republican year, an insane number even in a state as blue as Rhode Island) plus a military background.

Thoughts?


[ Parent ]
Isn't Jack Reed .. (0.00 / 0)
a Naval Academy grad?

[ Parent ]
Heh... (4.00 / 1)
I'm just picturing the Obama/Whitehouse ticket. I'll give him one thing: he's got a good name for the part.  

Further Reading

[ Parent ]
Barack and Sheldon: Leading us to Victory! (0.00 / 0)


[ Parent ]
Edwards brings both (4.00 / 2)
I'm not on board yet, but Edwards seems to bring the best balance between electability and a future leader to be passed the torch. He'll only be 63 in 2016, and probably won't look a day older than he does now. Although aging a bit would probably help him fight against the punditocracy's obsession with his appearance.

I'll just admit to being out of my league on the VP debate. Electability is very elusive. I just don't have the interest to do the research and analysis. It can't stop me from having opinions, but I'll readily admit they seriously lack information. Even those who are right in on the vetting process and have access to all the relevant polling and marketing data are still going to be engaging in something of a guessing game.


You point to a different conclusion (4.00 / 1)
You don't dispute Patashnik's claim that a VP choice won't really affect Obama's chances of winning the general election.  So if you combine that, with your point that we don't need to build the bench, we need to focus on passing progressive legislation in the next 4-6 years, a different conclusion emerges:

We need a VP pick who will help the Obama administration champion great progressive legislation when he/she is actually VP.  That means we want someone who:

* Is a good talker.  Can communicate ideas well, and persuasively.  Will inspire people around ideas.

* Can be smart and detail-oriented, delve into the issues and understand them well (like Bill Clinton was able to do)

* Will hold the trust of progressives well enough to be able to strike out to build a broader concensus, leading to more lasting achievements, without us (the base) wondering whether s/he's going to sell us out as we watch the process.

Edward definitely meets points 1 and 3.  I'm not convinced about 3, but overall, he still looks like a good choice.

Another great choice (who also has the advantage of appealing to the same "reform" demographic) would be Howard Dean.

Any others?


Senator Russell Feingold (4.00 / 3)
Is the perfect candidate for the job description you just outlined.

[ Parent ]
Ambivalent (0.00 / 0)
He's definitely a good one.  He's also extremely valuable in the Senate, where he's one of the best and most effective, and would be key to getting important parts of Obama's program to succeed in Congress.

I was already co-organizing Mass for Feingold in 2006.  But to remove him from the Senate for the VP slot... I'm not sure.  Maybe good, maybe not, on balance.


[ Parent ]
Need to win first and foremost (0.00 / 0)
The veep spot is for someone like Webb or Sebelius, or whoever helps put Obama over the top.  All this talk about your dream progressive veep means nothing if McCain wins.  Edwards is a 3 time loser, and one SUSA Penn poll doesn't negate that fact.

Wow ya convinced me... Let me try! (4.00 / 5)
Well Webb is a misogynist loose-cannon and Sebelius is a dudd of a governor from some no-name state that nobody cares about. Obama should pick the most conservative southern senator from the republican party as his running mate because that senator has won white males before and it will make Obama win the election. And nothing you say can negate that fact because it's a fact because I said it. So there.



[ Parent ]
whatever.. (0.00 / 0)
Unfortunately the voting population doesn't consist of only progressive bloggers.  Just saying- he has to win before anything shifts in our direction.  The alternative is being stuck with McGramps, and who knows?? Romney or even Huckabee for the next 12-16 years?  Whatever it takes to avoid that nightmare.   I'm confident Obama will make a smart choice.  No veep is going to be perfect.  I  seriously doubt LBJ was JFK's most favored- he was a choice based on  pragmatism.  

[ Parent ]
Right... (4.00 / 3)
And if you've been paying attention to polling for the last year you'd realize that the three-time loser Edwards was almost universally also displayed the best head-to-head match-ups against all republicans.

That is transferring over to the SUSA polls now.

Remember, Nixon, FDR, and Reagan were all losers at one time two. 3 data points is typically not the best basis on which to base a statistical sample.


[ Parent ]
Webb? How does pro-FISA anti-woman help our ticket or our cause? (4.00 / 3)


[ Parent ]
He neutralizes or diminishes (0.00 / 0)
...McCain's hold on military hero/national security/patriotism narrative, and legitimizes Obama to some voters who might want change but are still afraid to vote for him.  At least that's the theory..  As far as anti-women, I think that's way back in Webb's past, but I admit I have to do more research on him.  Democrats will still have women, but could lose some if McCain picks a woman, which is something to consider, and why I suggested Sebelius.

You're Living In The Past... Or Versailles (4.00 / 4)
We don't need to counter McCain's frickin "military hero/national security/patriotism narrative" by trying to imitate it, not with him supporting the most unpopular war since Vietnam, and threatening more of the same.  In fact, it would be downright stupid, given that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.  We already tried the military hero route with Kerry, and look how that turned out.

Sheesh!  Talk about "loser".

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


[ Parent ]
So... (0.00 / 0)
It seems there's three primary concerns with the VP pick:

1) Electability
2) The direction it pushes the ticket, the White House, and the party
3) Raising the prominence of the VP for a future run at President (or other jobs)

You're saying that (3) shouldn't be an issue this time, and your logic there is sound. But are you now saying that (1), electability, is the only important criterion? It's not entirely clear from what you wrote. Previously, you were all about pushing Obama and the party in a progressive direction by choosing a progressive Vice President.

Somewhat relatedly, while it's definitely a good idea to exert pressure where we can, is the VP choice something we can have any influence over at all? There is exactly one person, Barack Obama, who has total power over the choice*, and it's not clear to me that he's going to be influenced by anyone besides himself when making it, especially anyone outside his family, friends, and campaign.

* Well, as has been pointed out, the convention actually votes for the Vice Presidential nominee, so if Clinton wanted to destroy our chances in November by literally forcing herself onto Obama's ticket, there's a possibility she could.


You've missed the most important point (4.00 / 2)
The vice-president is the person most likely to become the next president, either in the event of something happening to Obama, or in 2016. This is why we have vice-presidents - so they can become president in certain circumstances.

We should therefore be looking for Obama to appoint someone we would like to be president. That ought to narrow things down somewhat.


[ Parent ]
Did you even read the whole post? (0.00 / 0)
The point is that everything but who performs best on the ticket should be tossed out the window.  The rationale being that we are going to have four to six years where we can truly pass progressive legislation, and that's it.  We're not going to get the chance again for a while, so we need to claim a mandate as large as possible.


[ Parent ]
And if Obama gets shot? (0.00 / 0)
Then these other considerations will become pretty important, won't they?

Again, that's why we have vice-presidents.


[ Parent ]
I don't disagree that often... (0.00 / 0)
...but...

While both the logic of the article and that of your rebuttal is sound, I think you ignored the author's premise that the pick of the VP has no actual effect on the election.

You seem to reject it without argument (just as he seems to make it without argument), but if you accept the premise, then there is nothing to argue with the piece about, no?

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Just Look At The SUSA VP Polls (4.00 / 2)
They show enourmous variance in electoral choices based on who the VP is.  This is not a very normal situation, I would argue.  It reflects the fact that this is a time of unusual flux, and two candidates whose core identities remain somewhat undefined.  It's not just that the VP matters in their own right, but also that the VP choice provides a good deal more added info about who the respective candidates really are.

Thus, the reasoning from past elections does not apply in this case--though I think that it does point up why choosing a candidate just to win one state is not such a good idea.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


[ Parent ]
JFK LBJ again? (4.00 / 1)
It just occurred to me when you talk about unusual flux right now. I do wonder if this is possibly yet another parallel to the 1960 election. Not in the sense that an Edwards pick would "balance" the ticket as LBJ did with Kennedy. But in the sense that this is one of the very rare times in the last 50 years where the VP slot does actually make a difference and can actually move votes (if that pick were Edwards).

LBJ did serve as a "vouch" for Kennedy in the South, especially in Texas, much like Edwards could in places like Ohio.  


[ Parent ]
A Couple Of Problems WIth This Thinking (0.00 / 0)
(1) By all accounts, JFK didn't expect LBJ to accept the offer.

(2) Kennedy was relatively trusted by the Southern Dems, and his early appointments reflected their confidence in him ( until the Civil Rights Movement finally forced him to take their side).  It's part of why he had to go out of his way to give such a strong speech when accepting the Liberal Party endorsement in NY that is still cited to this day.

A crazy business, politics.  In case you somehow didn't notice before.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


[ Parent ]
LBJ JFK (0.00 / 0)
"(1) By all accounts, JFK didn't expect LBJ to accept the offer."

Very interesting. I didn't know that. I wonder who his first choice was?

"(2) Kennedy was relatively trusted by the Southern Dems,"

I would say that Obama is relatively trusted by southern Dem lawmakers. Just as much as Clinton anyway. Also, considering that Obama cleaned up in NC, GA, AL, LA, MS, and VA, I'd say he's pretty trusted by Southern Dems overall too!  


[ Parent ]
4-6 years? Knock on wood... (4.00 / 1)
...when you say things like that.

Yeah I blog.

History (4.00 / 1)
No Presidential candidate should pick a VP to succeed them after the 8 years of 2 terms. Why? Because this just doesn't happen.

How many Vice Presidents have succeeded a two-term President?

Three. All pretty unsuccessful. John Adams, Martin Van Buren, and George H.W. Bush. (We could argue about Gore, but he did lose in the end.)

So, there's that.


But... (4.00 / 3)
I agree with your premise that you shouldn't pick a VP JUST to succeed you after two terms (was anyone actually arguing that anyway?).

But you forgot some people in your examples.

1. Taft succeeded Teddy.

2. Truman most definitely succeeded FDR. Yes he did in office, but since Truman won re-election, he obviously was able to succeed him in his own right.

3. Nixon did not succeed Ike, but he did eventually become president right? I don't think that could have happened if he hadn't been vice-president and been so high up in the republican party for so long.

4. I will argue that Gore did succeed Clinton. Because he did.  


[ Parent ]
What's missing in all these threads about how we press the progressive agenda (4.00 / 2)
and the role of the VP in that effort is that much of the discussion about the obstacles to passing progressive legislation after Obama takes offices has focused on
1.) The need for an appeal the the conservative/center-right agenda in order to get things done (which has been thoroughly skewered by Chris, Paul, Adam, and others)
2.) The difficulties in overcoming a stiff Republican resistance (which can be overcome by the sheer numbers that are realistically obtainable)
3.) The difficulties in building the popular will to press for progressive change (which many commenters--but not all--believe Obama has the ability to deliver if he is pressed to do so)
But nowhere has anyone mentioned the #1 obstacle to progressive legislation: the influence of big business and corporations.

The leverage of global corporate capitalism extends not just through the ranks of the Republicans but also deeply into Democratic office-holders as well. It is the primary influence on the MSM. It provides most of the impetus behind much of our healthcare, trade, and military policy. And it has inculcated the population with powerful mythology about what is "the American way."

I'm not just bringing this up in order to add to the case of John Edwards for VP (because IMO, he's the only prominent candidate for public office in this country who "gets" this) but also to add to our reasoning about what exactly has to occur to make the coming "trifecta", as Chris has so brilliantly coined, a real foundation for progress.


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