More On Obama's Activist Victory

by: Chris Bowers

Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 13:21


For those who don't believe that it was Obama's advantage among activists that put him over the top, here are some hard numbers. From the Green Papers and Democratic Convention Watch:

Democratic Delegate Breakdown By Type
Tpye Obama Clinton
Primaries* 1,346.5 1,365.5
Supers 407.5 282.5
Caucuses** 328 187
Florida*** 33.5 52.5
Michigan*** 29.5 34.5
Edwards**** 28.0 0.0
Total 2,173.0 1,922.0

* = Totals include a handful of Clinton pledged delegates from primaries that have since switched to Obama. In other words, Clinton's lead in this category was actually larger.
** = Caucus events include AK, AS, CO, HI, ID, IA, KS, ME, MN, NE, NV, NM, ND, TX, VI WA and WY
*** = These numbers are only for the pledged delegates from Florida and Michigan
**** = According to current DNC rules, Edwards left the campaign with 32.5 delegates. The delegates Obama has since won in Iowa, and the endorsements he received from other Edwards delegates, are included in this total.

Without the caucuses, the Edwards delegates, and the supers, Clinton holds a narrow lead of around 45 delegates. Without the caucuses, Obama would have never taken either a pledged delegate lead or an overall delegate lead. As such, the supers would not have flocked to Obama, and Clinton would have maintained her once sizable and longstanding lead in that category. Similarly, without the caucuses and the superdelegate endorsements they resulted in, Edwards would never have endorsed Obama, further padding Clinton's lead. Finally, without the caucuses, and the super and Edwards delegates they resulted in, instead of a handful of Clinton pledged delegates flipping to Obama, we probably would have witnessed movement in the other direction. In other words, without the caucuses, Clinton would have won the nomination campaign by about the same amount that Obama ended up winning it by. The caucuses undeniably put him over the top.

More in the extended entry.

Chris Bowers :: More On Obama's Activist Victory
Some may argue that Obama would have won the caucus states anyway, and so he would have led in pledged delegates if every state was a primary. While it is probably true that Obama would have won most of the caucus states even if they were primaries, he also clearly would have won them by far smaller amounts. In Colorado and Minnesota, Obama turned close contests in late January into 2-1 victories in those caucuses. In Nebraska and Washington, while Obama won the caucuses by 2-1 margins, he only won the primaries by about 4%. Given the results of neighboring states and the relatively close results of the caucuses, it is possible that Obama would have lost North Dakota and Maine if those states had been primaries. In other words, without the caucuses, Obama would have far, far fewer delegates from the states that held them. This would have probably made a net difference of 100-110 delegates, and prevented the pledged delegate lead, to overall delegate lead, to superdelegate lead, to Edwards endorsement, to flipping pledged delegates sequence of events that resulted in his victory.

Now, many commenters reflexively oppose the "Obama used caucuses to win" argument because the Clinton campaign has long used to try and lessen Obama's victory. I am using it for the exact opposite, flattering reason: Obama won because of activists like you. Clinton even admits that it was progressive, grassroots, anti-war activists in caucuses who made the difference. To me, that is a huge compliment. Progressive activists were the difference in the nomination campaign. We need to trumpet this victory and our influence, not try to pretend it wasn't the difference.

And it isn't just in caucuses where Obama's nearly two million activists were the difference. At the end of April, according to Open Secrets, Obama has raised $119M from donors who gave $200 or less, and $145M from donors who gave $200 or more. By contrast, Clinton raised $58M from donors who gave $200 or less, and $148M from larger donors, her Senate campaign, or self-financing. Just like in primaries, Clinton narrowly edged out Obama among donations larger than $200. However, Obama held the overall advantage because of the grassroots activists who gave him a roughly 2-1 edge among small donors and in caucuses.

Obama owes his victory to the grassroots activists who made him look like a rockstar on TV with huge rallies, who flooded caucuses and gave him dominating victories, and to small donors and volunteers who provided him with more resources than the Clinton campaign could match. Just because the Clinton campaign has argued that Obama won because of caucuses does not make it any less true, and should not make it any less flattering. Just like Clinton said, she lost because the progressive activist crowd disagrees with her on national security. I agree completely, and I think that is a damn good thing. Because progressive, grassroots, anti-war activists were the difference, the Democratic nomination campaign ultimately became an accountability moment for those Democrats who supported the disastrous invasion and occupation of Iraq.

We shouldn't run from the "activists won it for Obama" diagnosis--we should embrace it. Not only is it true, but it empowers the progressive grassroots greatly.


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Yes, but... (0.00 / 0)
We don't know what would've happened had the caucus states held primaries.  It seems like most of the caucus states sort of leaned Obama anyway.  Would the victories have been as great?  I have no clue... probably not, but they would probably still be victories.

So, I suppose we can say that activists, at the very least, broke a deadlock.  Obama may have led, but the delegates probably would've been a lot closer.


Yes (0.00 / 0)
I agree that Obama would have still won, but with a lesser margin.  And he would've won the popular vote by a lot more so we wouldn't have to hear that stupid argument...

[ Parent ]
when the caucus states held later primaries he lost ground (0.00 / 0)
but I think we still go by the original caucus numbers, right?

Washington Caucus
Obama 68%
Clinton 31%

Washington Primary
Obama 51%
Clinton 46%

Nebraska Caucus
Obama 68%
Clinton 32%

Nebraska Primary
Obama 49%
Clinton 46%

Idaho Caucus
Obama 79%
Clinton 17%

Idaho Primary
Obama 64%
Clinton 31%

But Chris Bowers is right that the delegate lead caused by the caucus states is what gave him the lead in perception.


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Organisation (0.00 / 0)
Obama organised caucuses heavily. The meaningless primaries weren't organised in any notable way, so you can't assume that primaries then would have been the same as later beauty contests.

That said, his margins would almost certainly have been narrower.

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[ Parent ]
Still don't trust "advisory" primaries... (0.00 / 0)
Since they don't count at all, I don't think it's a very good measure of support.

The better/closer measure of the "caucus" effect may be in TX... but even that seems slightly weird because they are held on the same day, and is just a little weird for people.

I agree there was a "caucus" effect, but it's really hard to know how big that effect was...


[ Parent ]
Focus on activists, not caucuses (0.00 / 0)
I think it's possible to say that he won because of activists without relying on caucuses as proof.  My hesitation in saying "he won because of caucuses" is party the reflexive tendency to hit back Clinton arguments you described, but also because I think it diminishes his accomplishments.  By implicitly making the argument that Hillary would have won had every contest been a primary, it feeds into the belief that somehow Obama "stole" the election and that he's only the nominee because of unfair contests.  So, I'm going to push back.  What I think your analysis leaves out is the fact that Obama was essentially playing "prevent defense" as far back as Ohio and Texas.  If the contest had been closer, and I'll grant you that it would have been, then Obama certainly would have been more aggressive, and thus the results would have been different.  To take a glaring example, do you think Clinton wins Puerto Rico by the same margin if Obama is all-out campaigning?  Or South Dakota?  I don't.  

One other point (4.00 / 1)
The Obama campaign certainly would have run with a different strategy if there were no caucuses (which means this is all speculation anyway).

I'm not really trying to undermine your point, which I get (and I see what you mean about the chain reaction thing), I'm just saying that Obama could have won without caucuses.

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Agree about activists though (0.00 / 0)
It was activists that put him over the top, caucuses or no. There's no question about that.

Conduct your own interview of Sarah Palin!

[ Parent ]
in any case (4.00 / 2)
Since the Clinton people went through a phase of praising "winner take all," which doesn't give a single delegate to someone who got millions of votes, I don't care in the slightest if they are criticizing caucuses now.  It's all hypocrisy.



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I do embrace the caucus system even though aspects of it (0.00 / 0)
bother me, such as the time restrictions which exclude people who wished to get involved perhaps for work reasons; that technicality can be addressed with legislation? perhaps?! Anyway, fixing it is a progressive value which is something we should strive for: to be inclusive.

I actually like the caucus system because it does require more effort and organizing and that shows the presence of committed activist voters in areas and districts and that is a fundamental key to initiate "change" - those are the people who organize and tend to get things done in a community. Anything that puts a premium on creating a group of people like that is something to keep - just fix the "bugs" in the system.


one small quibble (0.00 / 0)
I completely agree that activists won Obama the nomination, but I don't necessarily agree with:

Without the caucuses, Obama would have never taken either a pledged delegate lead or an overall delegate lead.

From your chart, it seems that Obama was down 19 delegates in primaries. Now "Without the caucuses" those remaining states would have had primaries.  Obama very likely would have won more pledged delegates in those states (Nebraska, Washington, Minnesota, Iowa) even had they been primaries, and my strong hunch is that it would have been more than enough to close that 19 delegate gap. So while I agree he won only because of activists, I think it is not necessarily true he would have had fewer pledged delegates had all the states held primaries (which I believe is the equivalent of what you said).


NEVER MIND - I'm STUPID (0.00 / 0)
Obviously you addressed this. Guilty of not reading whole article first.

[ Parent ]
I agree, but... (4.00 / 2)
I agree with you Chris but isn't this, at some level, a cautionary tale about November, especially given the winner-take-all rules of the electoral college.

Today is a day for self-congratulation but tomorrow, let's start really figuring out how to get to 270 under the New Math.

Lucky for us, I think John McCain is a much, much weaker candidate that Hillary Clinton.

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new math (4.00 / 3)
Obama's campaign has proven that they know math.  While the Clinton campaign was executing a flawed strategy, the Obama campaign new the rules of the game and decided on a strategy to win by those very rules.  I'm sure they are smart enough to realize there is now an entirely new set of rules for the general, and they'll adjust their strategy accordingly.

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[ Parent ]
Hope so, too... (0.00 / 0)
"I think John McCain is a much, much weaker candidate that Hillary Clinton."
It sure looks this way. But the problem is, the Dems aren't simply up against McCain and his posse, they are up against the rethuglican machine. And I guess many Obama supporters will soon notice that the Clinton camp was really a nice bunch compared to the right wing crooks. Remember what they did to Kerry.

[ Parent ]
John Edwards for VP? (0.00 / 0)

"I agree completely, and I think that is a damn good thing. Because progressive, grassroots, anti-war activists were the difference, the Democratic nomination campaign ultimately became an accountability moment for those Democrats who supported the disastrous invasion and occupation of Iraq."

Or has the "accountability moment" passed?


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I think the "activist" label is overused/misused (0.00 / 0)
I was a first time participant in the primary process this year and participated in the WA state caucuses.   What is an "activist"?  I saw a bunch of my neighbors involved for the first time because they cared.   I wouldn't consider any of use "activists".   No one from my caucus site (several hundred people crammed into an elementary school) was visibly a MoveOn or party activist.   So, I don't get this characterization at all.  You'd think we were Dem party loyalists with years of activism.   Guess what?  We were just a bunch of average Joe's/Jill's.  Honestly, I think this is just another generalization that isn't reflective of the reality of normal folks who participated for the first time because they were sick and tired of what our government has devolved into.  

I'm glad you participated but even in that room you shared with average Jill/Joes (4.00 / 2)
maybe 1,2,3 or even 10 "activists" were created: those people saw that their involvement was effective and they  perhaps were "empowered" to realize that by organizing now and in the future they can continue to create the environment and government that reflects their vision.

[ Parent ]
agreed... (0.00 / 0)
That's the beauty, as I now want to be an ongoing active participant and was completely energized by what I saw.  We the people...  My only resistance to the label of "activist" is that it is often connoted with the insiders who in some way hijacked the process...nothing could be farther from the reality of what I saw. We were definitely coming from the outside in :)

[ Parent ]
so? (0.00 / 0)
And so what? The caucuses are (for this year at least) a legitimate part of the process. If delegates in primary states were awarded closer to the proportion of the popular vote, he would have done even better in February contests in Wisconsin, Maryland, and Virginia. If an actual campaign had taken place in Florida and Michigan, the results in those contests would have been far closer.

I have a very strong aversion to analyses (4.00 / 2)
that attempt to use meaningless primaries (Washington, Nebraska) as indicative of anything.

Also, your North Dakota analysis is way off...it's a far different Democratic electorate than South Dakota....which is why ND might actually be in play in November.  A North Dakota primary would have given pretty much the same result as the caucus....much like the blowout Utah primary on the same day.

Maine is really the only state that may have had a different result, though given it's timing during a very favorable time for Obama this is debatable.


Not to mention that a South Dakota primary (4.00 / 2)
on super Tuesday would also likely been an easy Obama victory (Clinton wouldn't have camped out there for 2 weeks, and Obama wouldn't have ignored it).

[ Parent ]
mostly agree (0.00 / 0)
I agree with both Chris's point that activists made a huge difference, especially given the biggest difference between Obama & Clinton was the war vote--and that the caucuses were good for Obama--which raises an obvious point to me--let's keep caucuses, if states want them...

Thx for providing the numbers, Chris! (0.00 / 0)
That's much better than arguing about a calculation someone read sometime ago that may or may not have included something.
:D  

Caucus Was Decisive (4.00 / 3)
I really think that comparing primary to caucus results anywhere but TX is a mistake.  Everywhere else there was little attention paid to the Primary where one was held later in a Caucus state, and the very same people who showed up for the Caucus and knew it was the real contest would have been a lot less likely to show up for the "beauty contest" of a primary with no effect on the nomination.

In the absence of any other apples to apples comparison, we're left with TX, where they were held the same night and both were contested.  That saw a 7% swing.

It was Hillary's failure to contest most of the Caucus states (nearly all were held before OH/TX) that did her in everywhere but OK.  And Obama's ability to dominate them did turn on the activists, especially the MoveOn and dKos endorsements after Edwards dropped out.

If they had all been Primaries, I think we would have wound up with a race where the delegate margin was in low double digits.  The "activist advantage" kept Obama out of the danger zone where the disposition of FL/MI would have been a critical factor.  As along as he was ahead by more than Hillary could hope to pull out of those, he was golden.  Had he fallen to less than +100 on pledged delegates, everything else would have been up for grabs.

Not to exaggerate, but a very good case could be made that caucus activists saved the Democratic party.  Because if this had come down to the RBC decision being the controlling factor in who would be the nominee (it wasn't, even the most favorable Hillary result would not have put her on top), we would be looking at open revolt no matter the final result.  Hillary's hardcore true believers wouldn't have accepted anything but the Lanny Davis plan, but the majority can look at it and say it was a fair contest and a fair outcome.  That wouldn't have happened this time without those Caucus blowouts.


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