Presidential Forecast, 7/3: Obama Pulls Even In Montana

by: Chris Bowers

Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 13:00


Electoral College: Obama 293, McCain 194, Toss-up 51
National popular vote: Obama 48.5%-43.9% McCain


(Dark Blue (207): Obama +9.0% or more
Lean Blue (86): Obama +3.0%-+8.9%
White / Toss-up (51): Obama +2.9% to McCain +2.9%
Lean Red (104): McCain +3.0%-+8.9%
Dark Red (90): McCain +9.0% or more
)

Only one new state poll today, but it is a big one: Obama leads by 5% in Montana, according to Rasmussen. While this does not put Obama in the lead in Montana since the previous poll of the state, also from Rasmussen, showed McCain up 5%, it does show that the state should be competitive  in the fall. This is a testament to the great success local Montana Democrats have had in building up the party, to the value of competing in a broader range of states than your opponent, and also to Obama's strength west of the Mississippi compared to other recent Democratic nominees.

McCain is now running ads in Virginia, after claiming  in a now famous powerpoint presentation only a couple weeks ago that it was a safe, red state. They should buy ads in Virginia, too, since the last three polls in the state show Obama narrowly ahead. Will the McCain campaign now be forced to do the same in Montana? Or, for that matter, will he be forced to compete in Alaska, Indiana and North Dakota, too? Maybe even Georgia? After all, Rick Davis, who made the public claim that Virginia was not a swing state, is now out as campaign manager. I imagine we will see other strategic changes in direction from McCain, attempting to clean up after his mistakes.

It feels good to be winning. State by state details in the extended entry.  

Chris Bowers :: Presidential Forecast, 7/3: Obama Pulls Even In Montana
Solid Obama: 207 Electoral Votes
State EV's Obama % McCain % Margin # Polls
California 55 55.5% 35.5% +20.0% 2
Connecticut 7 51.5% 39.5% +12.0% 2
Delaware 3 50.0% 41.0% +9.0% 1
D.C. 3 -- -- +80.0% 0
Hawaii 4 61.0% 31.0% +30.0% 1
Illinois 21 59.0% 34.0% +25.0% 2
Maine-AL* 2 53.0% 35.5% +17.5% 2
Maine-01* 1 -- -- +21.0% 0
Maine-02* 1 -- -- +14.0% 0
Maryland 10 52.0% 38.5% +13.5% 2
Massachusetts 12 53.0% 34.3% +18.7% 2
Minnesota 10 51.0% 40.7% +10.3% 3
New Hampshire 4 50.5% 39.0% +10.5% 2
New Jersey 15 47.3% 37.0% +10.3% 3
New York 31 52.3% 34.5% +17.8% 4
Rhode Island 4 47.5% 34.0% +13.5% 2
Vermont 3 60.0% 32.5% +27.5% 2
Washington 11 54.0% 37.5% +16.5% 2
Wisconsin 10 49.8% 40.5% +9.3% 4

Lean Obama: 86 Electoral Votes
State EV's Obama % McCain % Margin # Polls
Colorado 9 46.0% 42.0% +4.0% 2
Iowa 7 47.0% 41.5% +5.5% 2
Michigan 17 47.0% 41.0% +6.0% 3
New Mexico 5 48.0% 42.5% +5.5% 2
Oregon 7 47.0% 41.5% +5.5% 2
Ohio 20 47.3% 42.8% +4.5% 4
Pennsylvania 21 49.0% 41.0% +8.0% 2

Toss-up: 51 Electoral Votes
State EV's Obama % McCain % Margin # Polls
Florida 27 44.8% 45.6% -0.8% 5
Montana 3 45.5% 45.5% Even 2
Nevada 5 42.0% 44.5% -2.5% 2
North Dakota 3 42.0% 43.0% -1.0% 2
Virginia 13 47.0% 45.3% +1.7% 3

Lean McCain: 104 Electoral Votes
State EV's Obama % McCain % Margin # Polls
Alaska 3 41.5% 44.5% -3.0% 2
Georgia 15 43.0% 49.3% -6.3% 2
Indiana 11 43.0% 47.0% -4.0% 2
Mississippi 6 43.5% 50.0% -6.5% 2
Missouri 11 43.0% 46.0% -3.0% 2
Nebraska-02** 1 -- -- -6.7% 0
North Carolina 15 41.7% 45.0% -3.3% 3
South Carolina 8 42.0% 48.0% -6.0% 2
Texas 34 38.5% 45.5% -7.0% 2

Solid McCain: 90 Electoral Votes
State EV's Obama % McCain % Margin # Polls
Alabama 9 34.3% 55.0% -20.7% 3
Arizona 10 34.0% 43.5% -9.5% 2
Arkansas 6 36.0% 52.5% -16.5% 2
Idaho 4 39.0% 52.0% -13.0% 1
Kansas 6 39.3% 48.3% -9.0% 4
Kentucky 8 35.7% 51.3% -15.6% 3
Louisiana 9 38.5% 51.0% -12.5% 2
Nebraska-AL** 2 35.0% 52.7% -17.7% 3
Nebraska-01** 1 -- -- -11.7% 0
Nebraska-03** 1 -- -- -35.7% 0
Oklahoma 7 29.5% 57.0% -27.5% 2
South Dakota 3 36.0% 49.5% -13.5% 2
Tennessee 11 33.5% 54.5% -21.0% 2
Utah 5 31.0% 54.5% -23.5% 2
West Virginia 5 36.0% 49.0% -13.0% 2
Wyoming 3 37.5% 53.5% -16.0% 2

* Maine four electoral votes are awarded as follows: two for the statewide winner, and one for the winner of each congressional district. ME-01 is about 3.5% more Democratic than the state as a whole, while ME-02 is about 3.5% less Democratic than the state as a whole.

** Nebraska's five electoral votes are awarded as follows: two for the statewide winner, and one for the winner of each congressional district. NE-01 is about 6.0% more Democratic than the state as a whole, NE-02 is about 11.0% more Democratic than the state as a whole, and NE-03 is about 18.0% less Democratic than the state as a whole.

Methodology
I will update at least once every day between now and November 4th. The methodology is simple and straightforward.

  1. For each state, take all polls conducted for the state over the previous thirty days, and average them.
  2. If one polling firm has more than one poll in a state over the last thirty days, take only the most recent poll.
  3. Every state has at least two polls. If two polls were not conducted in a state over the last thirty days, use the two most recent polls from any polling firm.
  4. If only one poll has been conducted in a state, then only use that poll.
  5. No polling firm discrimination whatsoever. Polls are never excluded because the organization has a bad or partisan reputation.

As we move closer to the election and more data becomes available, the time frames for polls included in the averages will decrease. Also, when the amount of data increases, I will be able to start projecting the swing, "toss-up" states. Right now, however, there just isn't enough data to push those states into one camp or the other.


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Methodology? (0.00 / 0)
While this does not put Obama in the lead in Montana since the previous poll of the state, also from Rasmussen, showed McCain up 5%, it does show that the state should be competitive  in the fall.

2. If one polling firm has more than one poll in a state over the last thirty days, take only the most recent poll.

Did I miss something?


Never mind (0.00 / 0)
3. Every state has at least two polls. If two polls were not conducted in a state over the last thirty days, use the two most recent polls from any polling firm.



[ Parent ]
You Have To Understand, Mark (4.00 / 1)
Before he became a politics guy, Chris was an avante-guarde lit guy.

Hence the Borges-like methodologies that demandeth close readings.

Or, pehaps given the penchant for rectangular grid tables, Cortazar's Hopscotch needs to be factored into the mix.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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My problem (0.00 / 0)
My problem was simply I remembered rule 2 and only looked for the appropriate quote; I didn't actually look for the answer.  My bad for simply assuming there was no correct answer.

[ Parent ]
Schweitzer (0.00 / 0)
I'd say his Vice Presidential prospects just received a boost.

Yes, Because His Mighty 3 Electoral Votes Outweigh Everything (0.00 / 0)
Ohio, Virginia, North Carolina, Florida, eh!

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3 EV's ain't nothin (0.00 / 0)
But besides that, it would reinforce the optics of: Democrats on the go! Expanding the map! Attracting voters in unlikely places! Realignment, even.

A clincher argument for Schweitzer? No. But something to consider.


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3 EVs vs. 4 States (0.00 / 0)
Do the math, my friend. Do the math.

It's known as "opportunity costs" in the trade.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Like I say, just something to consider (0.00 / 0)
As it happens, I like John Edwards for VP. But is there a particular reason Schweitzer wouldn't appeal to people in VA/NC/OH/FL, other than him not being from any of those places? He seems like someone who could appeal to independents and conservative and rural Dems, which could matter especially in the non-Florida states you listed.

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Sigh! (0.00 / 0)
Just LOOK at the SUSA VP match-up polls.

No Democrat other than Edwards does anything worth sneezing at for Obama, aside from their home state.  The exceptions being Clinton and Gore, and the reasons for not considering them are already well covered by others.

Could people be convinced over time, that these are nice people they would like?  Sure, probably.  But that's not what a presidential campaign is supposed to be about.

You want a running mate who adds strength to your ticket.  Not one you have to strengthen in order to make your ticket look good.

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Sure, Edwards is better (0.00 / 0)
Edwards should be the pick. But there is a very good chance he won't be.

And if there is someone who can quickly create a positive brand-image like Edwards has, it's probably Schweitzer, who's certainly larger than life and seems to have less negatives that most.

He's not a map-changer, and a map-changer would be better, but absent that he's probably our most likely prospect to become a map-changer.

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More blue, less red (4.00 / 1)
While I don't think this is a great argument for Schweitzer, it is yet another good argument for the 50 strategy.  Republicans have a psychological advantage when those red/blue maps are shown.  Acre by acre, they dominate.  As stupid as it seems, I think the psychological effect on the MSM and others is real.  Take a few high-acreage states like Montana and we look much better.

"Half of politics is simply showing up," and Montana is winnable if Obama competes there.


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This Is Soooo True! (0.00 / 0)
They really are like (Kegan) Level 1 pre-school kids, who think that there's more liquid when you poor it into a tall beaker.  So many big red states! BIG RED STATES!

So what if North Dakota, South Dakota and Nebraska combined have less electoral votes than Massachusettes. They are BIG RED STATES!

And they are right in the middle of the country!

The heartland!

Not out on the fringes, about to fall off into the ocean.

They are solid!

And BIG RED STATES!

Without arugula, thank you very much!  Brooksie told 'em so!

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Hey now (0.00 / 0)
Dick Cheney delivered Wyoming!

John McCain opposes the GI Bill.

[ Parent ]
A Midwife, Too! (0.00 / 0)
The man has many talents.

Or is that talons?

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Those Mighty 3 EVs (4.00 / 1)
Those mighty 3 EVs mean that Obama could lose New Mexico or Iowa and still win the presidency with Colorado, albeit losing Iowa would throw the election to the House of Representatives in that scenario.

Schweitzer would also presumably help Obama in other Western states like Colorado, Nevada, and North Dakota as well. I bet he'd play well in the rural parts of all the states you mentioned as well.

Schweitzer's not my first choice, but I think it's somewhat ridiculous for you to sneer at Schweitzer, especially considering how much the West means to the future of the party. I understand you have an agenda to stick to cheerleading for Edwards, but there are other choices who can strengthen the ticket as well.


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I would SOOOOO love to confine McCain's final electoral map (0.00 / 0)
to that little wiggle of red states on today's map.  Man, the psychological boost of "Obama wins the whole damn country, and only some dead-enders in the middle don't agree" would be awesome.

Ok, sorry, back to serious comments from Paul.


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