Lack of Convictions Vs. Lack Of Courage

by: Chris Bowers

Mon Aug 13, 2007 at 14:00


Do some Democrats vote for legislation like FISA because they believe that warrant-less, widespread spying on American citizens is actually a good thing for Alberto Gonzales to be doing, or do those same Democrats vote for legislation like FISA because they are afraid they will be portrayed as terrorist hugging, anti-American liberals if they don't? In other words, is the problem with some "New" and "Blue Dog" Democrats that they lack progressive convictions on certain matters, or that they generally lack political courage to stand up for their beliefs? This is a debate I have seen floating around progressive circles for some time, and both Mike and Matt have commented on it lately. While Mike tends to come down on the side of "lack of courage," and while Matt tends to come down on the side of "lack of progressive conviction,", I admit that I occupy a smarmy, centrist, "third place" in this debate: I honestly don't know.

The reason I don't know the answer to this question is because the Democrats who are most often discussed in these debates make it incredibly unclear themselves. Generally speaking, these Democrats are associated with what I term the DLC-nexus, and have an odd habit of discussing what they stand for in ways that sounds like they don't actually stand for them. Consider these passages from Harold Ford and Martin O'Malley's missive in the Washington Post last week:

George W. Bush is handing us Democrats our Hoover moment. Independents, swing voters and even some Republicans who haven't voted our way in more than a decade are willing to hear us out. With an ambitious common-sense agenda, the progressive center has a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to win back the White House, expand its margins in Congress and build a political and governing majority that could last a generation.

Now, I have already commented on the bizarre term "progressive center" in this passage, but something perhaps even more disturbing is taking place here. Despite conflating two non-identical terms with each other, another major problem with this passage is that the apparently the best attribute of "an ambitious common-sense agenda," is that it will help Democrats win elections. Rather than, say, this being a good agenda that will help strengthen America's position in the world and improve the lives of ordinary Americans, apparently the key facet of this agenda is that it will help Democrats "win back the White House, expand its margins in Congress and build a political and governing majority that could last a generation." Given that the DLC foregrounds the electoral utility of its agenda above all other facets, it becomes a little more difficult to swallow that they actually believe in this agenda themselves. They seem to be pushing it onto Democrats simply for the sake of winning. In fact, in the previous paragraph, they even say that "[t]he temptation to ignore the vital center is nothing new." Even if the DLC is not tempted in this manner, they clearly are trying to encourage most Democrats to not give into temptation, set liberal beliefs aside, and instead adopt an agenda which, while it may not be what most Democrats believe in, will help Democrats win elections. In other words, they are openly appealing to Democrats to abandon their personal convictions in the name of electoral expediency.

Now, maybe it is just me, but when Democrats who vote poorly in Congress talk like this, it is hard to believe that they actually believe in what they are voting for because they just told me I should vote the same way even if I don't believe in it. Further, DLC types talk like this quite often, as I discussed during on last year's DLC convention. Sometimes, it is a never-ending stream of both bad votes like FISA, coupled with public statements that people should vote against their beliefs as we saw from Ford and O'Malley. How is someone supposed to figure out which one is real, the regular votes that lack progressive convictions or the regular public statements of political cowardice?  It is so hard to tell, that I don't begrudge anyone who holds either position. I do think, however, that those people who are convinced it is a lack of courage, and those people who are convinced that it is a lack of conviction, are both ignoring the vital center at their own peril. After all, us wishy-washy types in the vital center truly control elections. While I am not personally offended by the strong stances others take on this matter, I bet most people in the center are, and they feel alienated by your partisan polarizing on this issue. If you ever want to win another election, your best course of action is probably to abandon your beliefs at once.

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Lack of conviction (0.00 / 0)
Is the far worse alternative.  I can forgive some cowardice, but Dems who actually think the FISA bill was a good move are far worse. 

But I suspect it is a bit of both - some lacked the courage to oppose it, and others actually believe in it.

The Republican years in congress combined with the DLC foolishness have combined to create a highly authoritarian congress.  The reason that congress has not done more to oppose Bush's lawless takeover of the constitution is because  a hell of a lot of congress actually likes the idea of a "strong" president unencumbered by such shackles as "courts" and "the people"

Give me some quisling cowards with the right instincts over bona-fide Authoritarians in Dem's clothing any day.  The former can be fixed. 


Silly Liberal (0.00 / 0)
Oh, my poor naive Mr. Bowers. It's not about one's beliefs dear boy. They just want to win. Why don't you? Ideology is great and everything, but you just can't govern if you don't win. No run along and fall in line would you please. I'm sure there is a nice warm phone bank waiting for you somewhere...



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But is there any evidence... (4.00 / 1)
  ...that the wishy-washy faux-centrist abandon-your-beliefs-for-the-sake-of-the-Cause actually results in election VICTORIES? That's the line the DLC crowd keeps trying to push, even when there's scant evidence for its accuracy.

  The obvious example is 2002 -- the Democrats completely rolled over for Bush on the Iraq war because it would have supposedly burnished their national-security credentials (which the DLC crowd continually reminds everyone is a massive and chronic Dem shortcoming) and because it would have allowed the election to be about domestic issues instead, where the Dems are allegedly stronger. We saw how THAT strategy worked out.

  Then there's 2006, where the Democrats, despite the massive and by-then-obvious failings of the Bush administration on Iraq, declined to push the war as an issue until they were dragged into doing so literally kicking and screaming -- at which point they finally started gaining some separation in the polls, which carried over to a 30-seat gain in the House and six seats in the Senate, also making James Carville miserable in the process.

  Undaunted, the DLC crowd quickly exerted its influence on the new majorities, and Congress, after an initial show of aggressiveness on Iraq (at which point its approval ratings began to actually climb to respectable levels), quickly and suddenly folded its cards (and saw its ratings crash in the process). And yet you still have the DLC crowd preaching that the sure path to victory is through timidity and deference to a discredited administration.

  How can any Democrat believe, at this point, that these bad votes are even good POLITICS, never mind good policy?

"We judge ourselves by our ideals; others by their actions. It is a great convenience." -- Howard Zinn


Do you ever notice .. (0.00 / 0)
that the DLC types seem to work on a state level(see Governor Rendell in PA), yet on a national level, in a contested office never work(outside Bill Clinton)?  Just look at Harold Ford Jr. himself.  I know there are guys like Schumer and HRC in the Senate from NY, but at this point, is a Republican gonna win statewide office there, unless they are someone like the Terminator? or send millions of their own money like Bloomberg?  Look at Montana.  Tester beat the DLC candidate in the primary.  Same with Webb in VA.  Besides, who is on the DLC's membership list besides Al From and politicians?  Do they have any regular people?  Who is their constituency besides corporations?

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Interesting theory (0.00 / 0)
  But it will be severely tested if Hillary Clinton, who just oozes DLCness, gets the nomination. We have O'Malley in Maryland, so it applies here too.

  It's true that Webb and Tester beat out DLC stiffs to win their nominations, but Webb voted with the cowards in the FISA bill. What strange pull DOES the DLC crowd have on otherwise perfectly sane Democrats?

"We judge ourselves by our ideals; others by their actions. It is a great convenience." -- Howard Zinn


[ Parent ]
Easy .... (0.00 / 0)
it's a three letter word .. corporate campaign cash ... after all .. who pays Al From's salary?  Where does the DLC get the money to pay From .. or Ford Jr.'s salary .. or their expenses

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They dropped conviction in the football game (0.00 / 0)
This was an intuitive posting, Chris.

Your quote: "..apparently the key facet of this agenda is that it will help Democrats "win......."

So many times their candidates lost.
And what did progressives gain for it?

They've put so much risk in the playing of the game that they forgot the best way to forward the ball.

 


On to something here (0.00 / 0)
Good question, good observation. 

One part of it is that the media habit (or maybe it's society's habit, but I think it is learned) of valuing winners has seeped into the Dems' consciousness.  Josh Green made this point in his profile of Rove in the Atlantic.  He calls it the "cult of the consultants."  The media to begin likes horseraces more than policy. They were dazzled by Rove's success in winning elections, particularly close ones, and confused that talent with actually knowing how to govern. Hence the "genius" hype.  The Rove-DeLay brand of winner-take-all politics has infected the Dem Party to a disturbing degree, to the point where everything is openly evaluated in terms of how it will affect elections, not whether it is good for the country or even a reasonable solution to a real problem.  This makes anyone employing this kind of talk sound phony and calculating.

Another part is the habit Digby has often discussed of Dems talking about what you ought to talk about rather than simply taking a position.  As in "The Dems should have an ambitious, commonsense agenda"  instead of "I am for strengthening the middle class, increasing opportunity, fairer taxes, sustainable energy and environmental policies and increased use of diplomacy abroad."  The former does allow people to project their own version of a commonsense agenda, but the overall effect is to make Dems sound like they stand for nothing.

So it is a combination of the two, probably resulting from overdependence on consultants and excessive concern about how they will be portrayed in the media.  Instead of thinking about issues, formulating positions they believe in and then articulating those positions, in effect seeming to stand for something by actually standing for something, Dems too often talk about what they should talk about in order to win, and end up sounding phony and calculating.

I'd describe my prescription as a commonsense agenda, but that's been taken by phonyspeakers.

John McCain--He's not who you think he is.


They Believe In Getting Elected (0.00 / 1)
What could be clearer?

And if that fails, they believe in telling other people how to win elections.

You really can take sociopaths at their word.  you just have to know which words, that's all.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


True (4.00 / 1)
  But common sense and self-interest would motivate SOME politicians to think twice before taking advice from, say, Harold Ford on how to WIN elections.

  You'd think that there'd be a little click in their heads... "Hmmm...Harold Ford thinks I should fold to Bush on this bill...wait a minute, didn't Harold Ford lose his election?"

  I'm amazed we win as often as we DO, to be honest, given all this sage advice...

 

"We judge ourselves by our ideals; others by their actions. It is a great convenience." -- Howard Zinn


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There Is Nothing As Rare As Common Sense (0.00 / 0)
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Understanding Post-Partisanship (4.00 / 1)
What you are describing, and what the DLCers subscribe to, is a form of partisanship which many in opposition to DLCers also endorse.  People who believe that you must move to the center to be elected view everything in terms of partisanship.  It's as phony to move that way as it is to not move.  Post-partisanship, which often gets a bad rap around here, is to deny looking at the world through those glasses.  It is to say Health Care is not a partisan issue.  Our Security from the threat of stateless terrorism is not a partisan issue.  And the solutions to those problems does not need to be limited along partisan lines - all good ideas are welcome.  To embrace Post-Partisanship does not mean dropping all ideals, which often is the case in the partisanship model.  The PPer can articulate the ideals which are worth going to the mat for and usually those are the ideals which unite us, not divide us.  It is the partisanship model which has turned the 2 party system into just two faces of the same coin.  The party which embraces Post-Partisanship will be the one which will redefine our politics and be able to create a lasting majority for our near future.

Post-Partianship: Bringing A Plastic Spoon To A Nuclear War (2.67 / 3)
Some folks, I'm afraid, just never learned to tell time.

The time to be post-partisan is when the GOP is stongly influenced by relatively pragmatic folks like Lowell Schweiker, William Scranton, John Lindsay, Nelson Rockefeller, etc.

The time to be post-partisan is not when the GOP is controlled top-to-bottm by rightwing zombies.

Bill Clinton already tried the post-partisan thing.  He balanced the budget, produced a surplus and Bush came along and spent it all and much, much more besides.

It's post-post-partisan time now.

We're not going to solve global warming by giving trillions of dollars of pollution credits to GM, Ford and Exxon-Mobil.  And we're not going to win the war on terror by fighting fire with gasoline.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


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I'm hip about time, Capt. America (0.00 / 0)
and also hip to you silly strategy of re-defining terms into new meaningless definitions instead of conversing on subject.  Bill Clinton was very far from being post-partisan, he was a partisan through and through who looked to move the party to the center to reclaim the South and the lost Reagan Democrats.  But he saw the world in highly charged partisan terms, which for that time was quite correct.  The pragmatic folks you mention were also partisans in the days when bi-partisanship was possible.  But you've been pulling a Rip Van Winkle on us if you think the Republican Party is controlled top-to-bottom by rightwing zealots. The Republican Party is in complete disarray which is why the time is right to issue in true post-partisanship.  The everyday man on the street view of politics is he's sick of the twos of yous.  Clintonesque partisanship will bring you corporate welfare in the name of environmentalism and propping up friendly dictators as our war against stateless terrorism, while striking back room deals in secret. 

The post-partisan refuses to be backed into a dialectical corner and looks to define the world on humanistic grounds common to all of us.  It is why it has been necessary to rebrand our party.  The switch to the word Progressive is to leave the liberal-conservative debate behind, and move forward into a whole different way of defining problems and seeking solutions. 


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Complete Gobbledegook! (0.00 / 0)
Sounds like a cross between Ross Perot and est.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"

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I agree (0.00 / 0)
about the meaningless redefinition of terms, that is.  Personally, I like Paul's snippy remarks. 

But I fail to see what's wrong with bringing a plastic spoon to a nuclear war - I mean, its about as useful as anything else one might bring...unless you've got some kind of magic cure-all for radiation sickness and can decontaminate long-lifetime radionucleotides with the snap of a finger.

Although a case may be made for bringing a 6 pack and a bottle of tequila - but that's not for everyone.

"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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MCs responding to stimuli (0.00 / 0)
An MC's perspective is governed by the constraints operating upon him.

Family first (for some, it will be, at any rate!): the MC needs do-re-mi a-plenty (not to mention personal skills and a shedload of luck) to handle this - and the chances for outside income available in the brown envelope days have been closed off.

But family is linked to re-election: suppose the shmuck has given up a good job to run for the House, and then craps out after a single term? Spousal sympathy may be limited.

The economics of politics are bit like those of TV: you make a loss on the network licence in the hope of cleaning up in syndication. (Or, following the analogy, in lobbying.)

But, either way, you need a good run. Which means a conveyor belt of moolah from here to eternity.

And, when luck throws your party into the majority for the first time in 12 years - through no doing of your own, with the prospect of more and richer gravy to come, an MC would only be human if he felt the fickle finger of fate hovering behind him.

These aren't bad people, I'd suggest. But they're motivated by completely different things from the average lefty blogger.

They see the rewards of the majority (most notably, time-serving ranking members getting a final crack at being chairman), and the minimal part that radical policy commitments played in securing that status.

They know that there are no clean hands (no pure hearts, at least) in the legislative souk. Everyone's working angles, monstrosities result.

From leadership to freshman, they're looking for the percentage play. And only rarely is that likely to lift blogger spirits unless cut with a large dose of wishful thinking.

Fortunate, that's one thing we never seem to run short of...


Can't they just have different convictions? (0.00 / 0)
I thought Webb was pretty clear that he said he voted for it because a trusted security figure told Webb that it was needed for national security.  Honestly, I just think the Blue Dogs have more authoritarian impulses on security, it's not like they make any secret of it.  Ford wasn't voting, what he says doesn't mean anything. 



New Jersey politics at Blue Jersey.


It's neither (0.00 / 0)
I don't think the basic problem is competence or conviction in most cases. It's political incompetence. Whether the underlying source of THAT is fear, laziness, inattention or something else is another discussion.

Point is, voting against FISA is highly defendable, especially in the current climate. This is not a theory or assumption. All these Dems need to do is look around at the people who did vote right. They are not all from solid Blue states or districts, and they will not suffer for their vote. People like Feingold, Kucinich, and many more purple-state legislators have voted the dreaded "liberal" line for many terms and regularly win reelection without even trying.

These FISA turncoats evidently know that they don't have the skill or intelligence to do the same. Which makes it even more imperative to get rid of them in the next primary.


Oops (0.00 / 0)
Should have said I don't think the basic problem is cowardice or lack of conviction in most cases.

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You are wrong and being unfair (0.00 / 0)
You post rests on the claim that the sentence you quote means they don't care about the quality of the policies.  What about this, form the very same article:

Nearly seven years after Bush succeeded Clinton in the White House, America is facing challenges as great as we've ever seen -- a war against Islamist radicals who would destroy our way of life; global economic competition that demands we raise our game; and a quest for energy independence and efficiency that Al Gore has shown us could make or break our planet. To conquer such enduring problems, Democrats will need a broad, enduring majority -- and a centrist agenda that sustains it by making steady progress.

Most Americans don't care much about partisan politics; they just want practical answers to the problems they face every day. So far, our leading presidential candidates seem to understand that the proof of the pudding is in the eating. That's why they have begun putting forward smart, New Democrat plans to cap and trade carbon emissions, give more Americans the chance to earn their way through college, achieve universal health care through shared responsibility, increase national security by rebuilding our embattled military and enable all Americans who work full time to lift themselves out of poverty.



New Jersey politics at Blue Jersey.

Except that... (4.00 / 4)
that's ridiculous framing that plays into a distorted right wing view of the world, and the policies that are proposed in response are half-measures designed to appeal to the middle, not get the job done.

"America is facing challenges as great as we've ever seen -- a war against Islamist radicals who would destroy our way of life; global economic competition that demands we raise our game"  Anyone passingly familiar with the great depression and WWII should recognize this statement as totally out of touch.

Cap and Trade won't produce the necessary revenue for upgrading our infrastructure in a post-carbon economy, and is designed as an easy system for corporations to game.  Universal health care won't be achieved through "shared responsibility" (whatever that means), it will be achieved through standing up boldly to the insurers and taking power away from them.  "Increasing national security and rebuilding our embattled military" plays directly into the framing of those who benefit from the military industrial complex.  Our military is totally unrivaled by any in history.  The emphasis on spending on high-priced weapons system makes it almost totally useless for peacekeeping and a threat to global stability, as the past six years have shown.

There is nothing bold in here, and there is nothing that will deal with the real problems we are facing.  It is a watered down version of what the Right Wing movement offers us. And who cares whether its a lack of conviction or a lack of courage, these people cannot be allowed to influence the workings of this country for another day.

I support John McCain because children are too healthy anyway.


[ Parent ]
Right.... (4.00 / 1)
Given Sam's points, which I completely agree with, it seems to me all this is basically empty rhetoric. In fact, this whole op-ed is filled with empty space in the form of diluted right-wing demagoguery and wishy washy corporatism. It's not about pleasing the unwashed masses of a mythical center. It's not even about winning elections, as their own electoral record proves quite handily. It's about them pleasing their corporate benefactors. You know, the folks that pay their salaries. The folks whose names they won't even divulge to the public they claim to serve.

Many corporatists are willing to put up with some tinkering around the edges of a problem, if it will help their bottom lines in the end. If we insure children, perhaps people won't be so upset if we don't insure the parents of those children. Smarmy centrism at it's best!

My own take on this piece is it's just another slimy attempt at trying to promote the DLC as relevant by branding itself as "progressive" when nothing could be farther from the truth. Of course, this has always been the case with the DLC. This is why they will almost never actually discuss in public what they stand for. Surely they stand for something, or someone, yes? They just won't tell us what that is, so they are stuck with worn out cliches, buzz phrases and a demographic stereotype that became obsolete by the summer of 2004.

Perhaps the DLC shoud rename itself as the Straussian Leadership Council. At least it would be more honest. They are neo-liberal to neo-conservative, not progressive. They are openly elitist in their disdain for any of that rabble rousing populism stuff. As far as I can tell, they stand in open opposition to the all of the changes this country desperately needs.

So how are they going to suddenly start winning elections given all their baggage?



"In our country, the lie has become not just a moral category but a pillar of the State" -- Alexander Solzhenitsyn


[ Parent ]
You're Insulting The Good Name of Half-Measures (2.00 / 2)
the policies that are proposed in response are half-measures designed to appeal to the middle, not get the job done.

These are quarter-measures at best.  And they're not designed to appeal to the middle, either.  The middle is way to the left of the DLC.

They're designed to appeal to the punditalkcrazy's idea of the middle.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


[ Parent ]
Two kinds of people involved in politics; (0.00 / 0)
those who want to change the world and those who want a job.

The former are called statesmen.  We used to have a lot of them.  Now, not so much.  So we now have a bunch of folks who are intent on getting and keeping a job who lack both conviction and courage. 


Actually, Some of Them DO Have Convictions (4.00 / 1)
[ Parent ]
I don't know either (0.00 / 0)
But if you actually did believe in stuff like the FISA law, and you wanted to convince many Democrats to vote for it, it would sure as hell be easier trying to convince them that some lurking political horror back in their district is going to punish them for voting against it rather then arguing that we don't really need civil liberties and we should back up Bush in any case because he's a right on the heart of the matter

America (0.00 / 0)
For the last few years, Repubs have made a habit of positing an irreconcilable contention between security in the age of terror and traditional constitutional norms.

This is a destructive strategy, but it's effective for a reason:  there is a large chunk of the American public, with elected officials in like numbers, who frame what America is
in a way that is susceptible to this argumentation.

America can be framed as a tribe or extended family, with individuals and the whole aligning and coordinating in order to bring about success, where the formal, high-minded structures that the nation holds dear are a kind of seal on a more primary, underlying, functional nation.

When that underlying nation is threatened, then the formalities may be given less weight, at least temporarily, in this view.

America was not founded solely by idealists, but by a mixture of people, different political types.

For any sort of formal American idealist, there's a belief that our formally declared norms will work under all circumstances.

There's a sense that the constitution, for example, is the basis of what we are, what America is, and this works, surviving all kinds of threats, because it is a semi-divine structure.

An idealist doesn't really need to be reassured that following the constitution is not only the right thing to do, but the safe thing to do, because they believe it is ideal, and they rest their personal sense of existential security on ideals.
America is those ideals, for the idealist.

But not everyone is by nature an idealist.
We might refer to non-idealists in America as tribal, or regular folks, regular Americans.

America as a marriage of different political types, varieties of idealist sectors with a large non-idealist sector, can only work when the needs of each sort of worldview are simultaneously satisfied.

Someone, or some leadership, must speak the languages of all the groups, and tell a story of their natural unity.

One difficult-to-face secret of America, is that in each era, the leadership needs to re-sell the concept of America to regular people.

If the binding glue of America is the notion that these ideals are not only ideal but are also the best pragmatic solution, and that the best pragmatic solutions are inevitably infused with idealism, then that notion is what regular Americans must become convinced of, once again, during each generation.

The president should be a person who is capable of making this case and dedicated to doing so.

Because there is always the tendency for a non-idealist to view the safe and pragmatic as foundational and the ideal as something you seek, but are not guaranteed.
Thus the ideal is something you can in fact live without and which you may sometimes have a need to.

A person who votes to suspend a level of constitutional idealism, is not necessarily a coward or a crook or a committed centrist or even an authoritarian in a final sense.

They could be just someone who as a person is not an idealist, and needs to be re-convinced from time to time that in fact the best pragmatic solution is also idealist and that the idealist solution is fully pragmatic.

The leadership at the level of president, and also party, need to make this case, loud and clear.

They need to do so well before some episode in the realms of security, law or technology open up scary new cans of worms.

The debates on these types of issues need to be carried out free of fear, and with deep support from unbiased experts and sustained, clear debate in the blogs, media, etc.

Those who want to undermine the debate, and push a vision of irreconcilable pragmatic and idealist concerns, will be all too happy to have the debate occur in a rush, when there is fear, when there is lack of clarity on all the implications of any decision.

So timing matters, and making the essential case for America again, with fresh and compelling language, matters.

But those who claim the problem is that non-idealists are not idealistic enough and that the case proving an actual, real unity of the pragmatic and the ideal should not have to be made, may not get a lot of traction either, especially on security concerns.

More than anything progressives need the rhetorical skills to reawaken the spirit of common sense, that which unites idealism and pragmatism in the heart of Americans, so that as a country we do the right thing sooner rather than later.

And progressive leadership needs to get ahead of the curve on issues that tend to bring up the most fear, like security, so that making the case for common sense is easier and happens sooner.

We will always need to re-inspire and will never be able to get away with not having the chops to do so, because of the nature of the great marriage of worldviews and types of persons that is America.

Unless someone really is a coward or a fake, and of course there are a few, attacking them for needing to be re-convinced and re-inspired, is a poor substitute for the kind of rhetoric that brings all forward into re-establishing the best America we can be in the ever changing historical moment.


There's a Fourth Reason: (0.00 / 0)
Pursuit of power - personal and party.

If the Democrats actually took on the excesses of the Executive Branch and reversed the process that has put more and more military and intelligence gathering (information control)powers into the White House, then they might actually end up reducing the power to be had by winning the race to the Presidency.  But, why gut a position that you - or one of your partisan friends - might be getting in a couple of years? Sure, NOW its Alberto Gonzales that holds the FISA power, but when Democrats are in the White House, THEY will pick a responsible Attorney General that everyone can trust, right? 

That's why they put winning elections AHEAD of the concerns of their nation - they want to take power.  The only political strategy in voting against the interests of your nation is preserve your own powerful position - or that of the party with you make your political bed.

No one strives to dismantle the system that brought them to power - do they?  And, isn't that what you are expecting from these Democrats?  Isn't that why every damned politico that has any slim chance of making the case tries to convince everyone that they are an OUTSIDER?  That is: not contaminated with the party agendas for (re)gaining power.

All of this is promoted and sustained by the two-party system.  It is made very clear in every election cycle (perhaps not every race) a candidate does not need grand ideas, a vision of the future, or even the ability to speak in complete sentences - the most important feature in being electable is to be SLIGHTLY LESS incompetent than your opponent. Sometimes it is enough simply to be the alternative (from the other MSP, of course).  "Anybody But Bush" (as long as they are a Democrat!). Any wonder why the US citizens hold such low esteem for the Congress and the Presidency?  Because most of us are simply allowed to be spectators while the MSPs tear each other apart while fighting over who gets to hold the reigns.

If you really want to strengthen the MSPs, then give them more challengers - open up the system.

There was some talk in this thread about whether there is a time to be post-partisan, or partisan, or bi-partisan.  I long for the day when the term "bi-partisan" is removed from our political lexicon.  The 2 party system is no longer enough for this nation - we need to move beyond the limits set by our founders and set into concrete by those who came later.  If the "progressive movement" becomes simply another name for "Democratic Party" (or "Republican Party", for that matter) then it will have been co-opted.

Oh, I hear the arguments already - "you have to get elected to pass legislation!" , "you have to rule before you can make the world a better place" , "We have to win office, before we can enact your agenda".  I'll not say that those sentiments are wrong - but they are certainly clearly in support of the status quo.


"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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