Against Progressive Platforms

by: Chris Bowers

Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 14:24


It appears that, for some reason, the "netroots" has decided to write a platform. Maybe we were just too pluralistic a group for some people, and the non-believers in the revolutionary avant-garde needed to be identified and weeded out. My best guess is that I am no longer a member of the netroots, given that I don't support this truly idiotic plank in the Election Reform section of the platform:

11. We support a change in the too expensive, too prolonged and unfair Primary Election system by adopting the use of an equal distribution of money by the Democratic Party to all candidates, a six month electoral race and a one day election thereby eliminating the unfair advantage of the early voting states.

Oh we do, huh? We support turning the DNC into nothing more than a public financing system for Joe Biden and Dennis Kucinich? We support dismantling the 50 state strategy, shutting down the entire DNC communications operation, and supporting the presidential nominee in favor of having the DNC just dish out a few million bucks to eight or nine candidates every four years? And then, to be truly fair, we support a national primary day, even though it would require the approval of 50 different state governments and guarantee that the candidate with the highest name ID always wins the nomination? This is what the netroots supports? This is our great plan?

Platforms are where democratic movements and changes in the national social fabric go to die. Once a political movement is delineated into a specific set of planks, then factionalism, totalitarianism, and stereotyping set in, while creativity, innovation and pluralism are tossed aside. Once a movement can be clearly defined by a  specifically delineated set of characteristics and beliefs, any ability for that movement to grow, change or develop is lost.

I hate political platforms. I don't even understand why people want them. Where does the desire to enforce all members of a group to cohere to a single set of beliefs even come from? It certainly doesn't strike me as a particularly progressive impulse. It does strike me as top-down, totalitarian, and extremely presumptuous. This is the sort of thing that has been killing the left for centuries, as we splinter into factions that can't possibly stand to be with people who disagree over a single plank in a platform that has no legal standing and which no one in government will follow anyway.

If people want to list their own beliefs, I don't see anything wrong with that. However, trying to create a multi-issue platform for an entire group is about the surest path toward political irrelevancy that I can think of. No one pays attention to the Democratic platform, and that is a good thing. If we were to demand adherence to the platform, the party would shrivel up and die a well-deserved death, just like every left-wing party that has gone down that path.

The netroots is a consistently innovative and pluralistic uprising of the American left and center-left. To place artificial ideological and policy planks on an organically developing, decentralized, and creative group of people is the antithesis of what makes the netroots great. We are freeing up boundaries to participation in politics and the dissemination of political information, not seeking to create new ones. Let's keep left-wing political platforms where they belong--in the mid-20th century and earlier--and embrace the play of the signifier in our new, elastic future.

Update: Some fan mail I received in regards to this post:

Now I see why I couldnt find my posts. You ARE a fascist! Dont bother. I'll remove myself. When did Dems decide people werent allowed to disagree? Platforms dont matter?? You must be very young--you wil be disappointed, as you treat others, you will be treated.

OK. Disagreeing with platforms makes me a fascist.  That really disproves my point in this post.

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agreed (4.00 / 1)
This part especially: "and guarantee that the candidate with the highest name ID always wins the nomination?" If both parties did this we might have this choice this year:

Hillary Clinton vs. Rudy Giuliani

And forget about a lesser known candidate who has a chance when a small state (doesn't have to be IA or NH every time) starts things. Also, there will be no campaigning in smaller states anymore. The candidate will spend all their time in California and New York where a huge percentage of potential voters can be reached all at once.


New York, yes; California, no (4.00 / 1)
Obviously California is important under any system, but you still have to be looking for places where you can make marginal gains.  New York will be important because NYC is huge, but also because the NYC market reaches Connecticut, New Jersey and parts of Penssylvania.  Obviously, it's expensive, but you can change the game in a much larger number of states there.

California, by contrast, has several large media markets, and is geographically large.  And this analysis ignores the expense of media.  Under a framework like this, where everyone has a hard spending cap, it would probably make more sense to hit the smaller cities in the middle of the country, where your limited funding can reach a larger number of eyeballs.  


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process (0.00 / 0)
I don't think that all platforms are bad, but you do need a process.  Particularly you need delegates, elected ones.  That makes me more than qualified.  I'll find a few more and then start a website to tell you what you think.

My job is not to represent Washington to you, but to represent you to Washington- Obama
Philly for Obama


I disagree (4.00 / 1)
Many of us complain that campaigns turn on trivia unrelated to the issues, as emphasized by campaigns and the media.  The purpose of a platform is to let voters know where the party and its candidate stand on the issues.  In the absence of a platform, political campaigns would just be televised beauty contests, even more than they already are.

This would be true if anyone but insiders read/talked about platoforms (4.00 / 1)
but there's no accountability requiring that the party holds to its platform.  

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Issues are only discussed because of platfroms? (0.00 / 0)
In the absence of a platform, political campaigns would just be televised beauty contests, even more than they already are.

I didn't realize that issues were only discussed in presidential campaigns because the DNC and RNC put out platfroms.  


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amen. what would be more useful? (0.00 / 0)
a declaration of principles. A general direction that you can pursue hard or soft.

Instead of "elections funded by the DNC", something like "end the corrupting influence on money on our electoral system". A goal we all agree is important, but with a variety of perspectives on how to get there.

Things like "health is an American right". Maybe that means single payer health care, but it may just mean some kind of baseline minimum that we guarantee for our most disadvantaged citizens.


Double-edged sword? (4.00 / 2)
Isn't this what people complain about, though?  That is, "What exactly do the Democrats stand for?"  Is not the purpose of a "platform" to say, exactly, what Democrats stand for?

I built a platform for my website (0.00 / 0)
But I claim mines better because it is short and pithy and I get to list all the great ideas I think up.

For example


The ability to buy and sell instantly in the stock market is a big problem.  Investors can buy a company and in the short term gut it and make a profit while the long term value of the company is destroyed.  This has a hugely negative impact on society.

In any industry has there ever been a time when you asked "Why is this company screwing me over and screwing itself over in the long term?"  The answer is that it is publicly traded and investors want a short term spike in profits and to get out.


http://sites.google.com/a/libe...

I think the point about policy positions is valid though.  The bill of rights works because the 10 amendments can be summed up in a sentence that describes an ideal.

The reason why I built that is because I think it is a handy way of collecting facts that so often get lost or misplaced over time.  Its a handy summary in every way that blogs are not.

The liberal wiki
Send an email to terra@liberalwiki.com


Where did I put my netroots membership card? (4.00 / 1)
I consider myself a member of the netroots, I suppose, and I don't support this platform, and didn't know it existed until now.
Know fascist Chris Bowers, also a member of the netroots, doesn't support this platform either, as he has just explained.
This begs the question - who are these people, and what gives them the authority to craft a platform for an entire group? "Netroots" isn't like the DLC or PNAC. It's more of a demographic, don't you think?
This is like "Soccer Moms" having an official platform.  

"Don't hate the media, become the media" -Jello Biafra

see some of the comments below (4.00 / 1)
No one has actually claimed to speak for the whole (or that there is even a whole to speak for). Basically, people wanted to try writing a platform using a collaborative writing tool designed to help very large groups of people collaborate together. It made sense because we launched at Netroots Nation to brand it as a Netroots platform, but it's not at all positioned as a

As a secondary goal (but a very useful driver) we also wanted to dovetail with the Obama campaigns Platform writing project (so you could also imagine this as just another platform meeting, but one organized across the netroots (so no upper bounds on geography, # of participants and not requiring a meeting place and time).

The project was launched at Netroots Nation in Austin with a very small group and gained some traction over time till we had 164 participants. We pretty much had to generate all our own pr and get people involved through good old diaries and footwork. We would love to have had more participation and will, we hope in the future.

"These people" are your fellow bloggers, ordinary citizens and activists who happen to congregate online. They could be you, or me or Chris B or Meteorblades (he did do some writing) or anybody who wanted to participate.  


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Point well taken (4.00 / 1)


"Don't hate the media, become the media" -Jello Biafra

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What's A Platform? (0.00 / 0)
A platform is one of many ways for a party to delineate its values and goals.

Democrats in the past thirty years have had their values and goals defined for them by Republicans and Republican-loving reporters. I say, lets have some more platforms. I'd much rather self-define than have someone else define my group for me.

But now, let's look at this platform specifically. I have no idea who these "netroots" platform writers are. Nobody asked me for my opinion. Let's see who wrote it:

"This plank was created by 16 members of The Netroots Community using the democratic, collaborative writing tools at MixedInk.com. For more about how it was created, see here. It can be republished only if accompanied by this note. Submitted at 10AM on 8/5/08."

Ah. Sixteen people presume to speak for the netroots. That's sure "democratic."


anyone could participate (0.00 / 0)
The overall platform ended up being written by 167 members of the netroots and over 925 ratings were cast.  I don't think they claim to speak for "the netroots," but just identify themselves as members of the netroots.  The opportunity to participate was open to anyone.  The platform was kicked off at the Netroots Nation conference, and community members worked on it for 3 weeks.  There is talk of opening it back up for revisions.  If so, hopefully folks here will participate and help to spread the word - only by doing so does it become truly representative!

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the more the merrier!!! (0.00 / 0)
Our hope was (and still is) to attract many more people to the writing of these projects in the future. More people rating, writing, editing, remixing makes for much stronger result (the version that ends up at the top is the one with the highest average rating)

Your input would have been welcome had we been able to get your attention for the project(it was only 3 weeks, and a small band of folks promoting it and we did our best to cut through the noise, for what started as a very small project). I think with a bit more time we could have had more traction. But considering that we grew from a few folks meeting in a tucked away conference room at Netroots Nation to 250 or so registered participants and 164 authors, I think we did ok, don't you? Of course next time we'd like that number to be in the thousands...

We'll do more with this and hopefully next time you will be part : )

As for who the writers --some are relatively unknown, some may be diarists or posters you know from this blog or others...you can actually see who participated in the writing part if you explore the site. www.netrootsplatform.org


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agreed, idiotic (4.00 / 2)
but I also think the whole "netroots" idea, that there is some cohesive community that we're all on, is completely idiotic.

I also think it was idiotic that the bigger liberal sites didn't try to define a policy position wish list in 2006 in anticipation of the 08 election. instead the big ones resorted to candidate partisan bickering with no attempt to rally their readerships to focus on moving the candidates on policy, sussing out the best match and then forcefully getting behind that person. Thus Obama was able to step in so easily and provide a online focal point for collective action. 2006-2008 was an organizational embarrassment in my mind for the left blog-o-sphere. nice that they woke up now.

Michael Bloomberg, prince of corporate welfare


intriguingly (0.00 / 0)
I agree with 90% of what you say here, even though I'm on the other side of the platform debate. Agree about the idea that there's a cohesive netroots, agree taht we should have focused on policy on the blogs not just getting candidates elected then find candidates that fit (or move them to fit). Would a policy wish list be a better expression than a "platform"? Maybe platform is just the wrong word or the wrong format.

The cool thing is--it's all flexible, but in my mind, I just want to get beyond the conversation and on to building something, including (or especially) an infrastructure of influence.


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bravo (0.00 / 0)
very well said

Agree 100% (0.00 / 0)
First of all, that national primary day would be an absolute disaster.  Obama would have had no chance this year, Clinton would have coasted through. I don't think the primary should last six months, but it is nonetheless useful for testing candidates on the campaign trail and exciting voters.

Second, the platform idea is silly for the reasons you mention. Too many different voices, too many different ideas, there's no way you can boil it down into one set of rules that everyone has to follow. My position on border enforcement is probably a lot different than some other netroots participants, so why try to stick some of us in a box we don't want to be in?

Good post.


you're missing the big picture (0.00 / 0)
Chris, thanks for your post.  There's a few things I'd like to address that I think are worth thinking about more broadly.  

First - I see having a progressive platform as valuable.  While true that "progressives" are just a loosely connected group of people with different perspectives, passions, and ideas, there is clearly a unifying theme.  Having a "platform" is like an organization having a mission statement; to the extent possible, it puts everyone on the same page.  (This doesn't mean everyone has to agree with every issue, of course.)  By having a unified voice and a clearly articulated position on a number of issues, we are better able to advocate a shared vision and hold our representatives accountable.  

Second, you should note that the process we used was completely democratic and transparent.  So if there is a flaw in the platform - there are two possible failures.  1. the netroots community failed in the outreach department (though it's difficult to cut through the noise).  2. you failed to participate.  Good platforms, good governments, and good policies require people, listening, thinking, and acting.  

What was exciting about this process was that it depended on real participation and tapped the wisdom of a disperse crowd.  Anyone was able to submit a plank from scratch, edit existing planks, remix the best ideas from different planks, and then rate them up or down.  There is no doubt this would have been better and stronger with more participation (and with YOUR participation)!  You could have fixed that part yourself - or just written a comment for someone else to clean it up.  There is nothing totalitarian (or leading toward it) about this - it's grassroots and 100% people-powered.  In fact, there is talk on Kos of opening it up once in a while for revision, so it's not even necessarily set in stone.  

To the extent that there is language in there you don't agree with, keep in mind that this document is 29 pages long and written collaboratively by many, many people.  It's not perfect, but it's tough to find any policy document that long without finding a single line with which you disagree.  So I think you came down a little hard on the whole project, given the enormity of the task.

So I'm a little sad that you missed the big picture: Hundreds of people sat down after work and on weekends for the thankless task of writing policy from scratch.  This is exactly what democracy can and should look like.  I would have hoped you could highlight the enormous potential for citizen involvement in policy making that this proved, rather than emphasizing a single line from a huge, multi-pronged policy document that you didn't agree with 100%.  

Oh well.


Chris, I think we all agree, actually on one level (0.00 / 0)
The netroots is a consistently innovative and pluralistic uprising of the American left and center-left.... We are freeing up boundaries to participation in politics and the dissemination of political information, not seeking to create new ones. Let's keep left-wing political platforms where they belong--in the mid-20th century and earlier--and embrace the play of the signifier in our new, elastic future.

I'm someone who was drawn to this exercise EXACTLY FOR THE REASONS YOU JUST STATED ABOVE. And since I was pretty gung ho about trying this exercise, let me see if we can talk a bit about why. Because I actually agree with you that I am not 100% on board for the current result. But I do really love the process--collaborative, open and democratic--that was used. Because that's what I came here for (and I think we agree on that one).

So I urge you to take a closer look at the mixedink site and "how the planks were created". I personally find the excitement is far less in what was written here (there are some good and I admit, some bad planks). It is more in how it was made and who made it.

How: completely openly and collaboratively. Who: anyone from the netroots who learned about it and wanted to join.  No one set out to write a left wing platform. And I think if more people had found this it would be a very different document.

The way it worked was anyone could join, write a plank, edit others, recombine, rate up or down planks. The places this ended up working strongest were generally where activity was relatively high. Wisdom of crowds, open source, an attempt at harnassing the innovative, pluralistic nature of the netroots. An experiment with mixed results, so far. But not a bad experiment at all. We will need a way in the future to write collaboratively and develop ideas together. Here's an attempt.

I have to say I wasn't actually drawn to this as a platform writing exercise per se, but as an opportunity for netroots folks to begin using tools to collaborate on a project, any project, and work across geography and time to build something together. In a sense, the fact that this is low-stakes (who reads the platform?) makes it a perfect first experiment to see how a process like this can work and what needs to be tweaked to make it work better.

That said, I would venture to say that simply by invoking an open-source method for building a platform, one that has the option of being reopened at any time, perhaps there is a chance that we can make the exercise of platform writing more relevant and useful. If we reopened that electoral plank, someone like you could come back and improve it. And others could rate the new version showing what we really want, or provide you with an even better idea. I think that's very different from 20th century platforms, or at least it has the potential to be. It opens up the process to all, creating mutual investment in the result(and thus accountability).

About the process a bit: At the beginning there were blank pages and it was a completely open opportunity to be elastic and break the boundaries--anyone could play. The mixedink collaboration software seemed to do a terrific job of allowing people first to author then to edit then to vote on preferred statements.

The biggest problems I saw 1) not enough participation, and 2) not enough time and in some cases 3) not broad enough participation. This is definitely the type of exercise where getting a large quorum of participants, and some of the thought leaders involved is key to the success. We had mixed results with that--some planks are strong on thought leaders but weak on other participants, some planks go the other way and some are just right....

In many ways what are seeing is more of prototype than an ideal result. It's also possible that something this broad is too big for the software it's written on. Possible, but I'm not 100% sure about that. I think the biggest problem was timeframe--this got more momentum as it went, but we really wanted to end the process in time to submit to the Obama/DNC platform exercise.

I have heard many people say they were sorry they did not participate at the time or they would have added x or edited y. I hope we'll keep open to that opportunity--rather than nip a promising idea about collaboratin in its tender bud.

 


Not a big fan (0.00 / 0)
of the idea or the execution.

Many of the passages read like blog comments.  Many others seem fundamentally flawed in their practicality (ie, making it illegal for the quality of medical care to differ between public and private insurance providers) or reflect a lack of knowledge about the empirical investigation of issues (ie, stating as absolute fact that NAFTA has caused jobs to be lost en masse to Mexico).  

I don't see the value added of having such a detailed platform.  What does it accomplish that a statement of shared values wouldn't, especially one that could be focused on intently and thus be better crafted?  The downside of the current version is very real - in addition to the issues of having a platform in the abstract, this particular incarnation gives off a real "amateur hour" vibe.  To be brutally honest, I don't think it would do the netroots any favors to forward this platform to the Obama campaign or whoever else in the democratic leadership.

John McCain: Health insurance for low income children represents an "unfunded liability."


not ready for prime time? (0.00 / 0)
That could be a fair critique. The process works better with more people doing exactly what you just did--critiquing and improving, and coming on and rating what you think would be a better idea than what was posted.

The detailed/not detailed aspect is another issue that was debated initially. If it were me I'd go for much simpler statements, but this is the snapshot of the current group consensus. People went for and preferred/rated up the detailed planks, even when in some cases more general or larger picture statements had been proposed. Had the process gone on longer that might have evolved again...

I'd also be willing to entertain that maybe a statement of shared values is what we could/should have drafted, rather than calling it a platform. That said, the pull of the "Listening to America" sessions and their own call for "amateurs" to meet in groups and write planks, made this seem like an interesting idea to try. We thought of this as a "netroots kitchen table"--just like meeting my neighbors and working out a plank and submitting it--only taking place online instead of in my living room, the church, a local bar, etc.

Amateur hour: In the back of my mind was a working assumption that we've shown in the netroots that so called "amateurs" can do it better than or as well as professionals (it's kind of what the blogosphere has been about in some ways). I have a high degree of confidence in this having watched these blogs and online media evolve for several years and seeing people who aren't professionally involved in politics, environmental policy, food & ag and other categories become respected voices for those issues online. My hope in supporting this project (and I was just a volunteer on it) was that we could tap into that energy. Perhaps (no certainly) that was an ambitious goal for just 3 weeks of work, esp. across the large number of categories (we originally had only 6 but got many requests for additional planks).

Re the practicality of the medical plank specifically--I know that plank got a lot of attention early on from California Nurses, and much originating language came from them. i don't know off hand if what you quoted was from them (though the beauty of the platform tool is that it is easy enough to trace authorship). But again, the hope is taht if people see something there that is impractical, they will change it and people will rate up a better version. The process is closed for now, but I think the people who started this would reopen it if it seemed like this was something people would engage with.


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Let me get a bit less cranky (4.00 / 1)
I appreciate that a lot of people, many of whom are very talented, put a lot of work into project and didn't mean to demean it.  At the very least, its a fascinating experiment, almost like a polling exercise in a way, and also an interesting form of participatory political action.

But I do think it behooves everybody to consider the question of whether more participation is always such a good thing, for every kind of activity.  There is sometimes an impulse in movements like the netroots towards participatory absolutism.  But clearly there must be instances when the mass democratic participation model is not optimal for achieving certain ends - that's why most of the work and social world still ends up revolving around specialization and division of labor, including the operation and nuts and bolts of many classically "basist" and participatory social movements.  You can still have responsiveness to the masses without mass participation.

I don't know whether that holds for this particular project.  I'm a little skeptical and not that enthralled by the current version, but I think its an intriguing idea and could improve over time, almost like a wiki.  It would be cool to reopen it for a very extended period, a year or more, and see what comes out.  


John McCain: Health insurance for low income children represents an "unfunded liability."


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thanks for the thoughtful reply (0.00 / 0)
An interesting dilemma regarding mass participation. Actually I think about Clay Shirky in "Here Comes Everybody" on how wikis work and how there's almost a self-selecting process where the people most interested in an issue end up making the largest contributions and I suspect/hope that will play a role in regulating this naturally. Those with a strong interest in healthcare will play most in the healthcare plank, those most interested in environment and with the most knowledge will play there etc. People who just want to react to what's written will rate more and edit less, etc... And of course the tool can evolve as well to make it more effective.

Regarding specialization, I'll offer this: The blogosphere is replete with examples of people who weren't "specialists" and weren't "professionals" in an activity or topic area usually reserved for pros(environment, healthcare, investigative journalism, food & ag, etc) becoming strong voices and teaching and learning from others. Indeed it's what attracted me here in the first place--watching all that untapped knowledge rise to the surface.

But don't just take the blogosphere... Here's a recent NY Times article:  "If You Have a Problem, Ask Everyone" http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07... , that basically shows a lot of smart people turning to "outsider" perspectives to solve intransigent problems. A nice counterweight to our assumptions about specialists -"solutions can come from anywhere, and from people with seemingly unrelated work."  This principle is being widely applied in science and engineering. Why not politics?

I do hope/anticipate we can reopen this project. Would love to have your participation and others : )


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Platfrom response (0.00 / 0)
"Once a movement can be clearly defined by a  specifically delineated set of characteristics and beliefs, any ability for that movement to grow, change or develop is lost."

Any? I disagree with the absolutism in this assertion. Movements move. They morph, they mutate and they shed as they grow. I understand the intent of the comment, and would agree that dogmatic, inflexible adherence to the literal doctrine of a plank would be bad. But in fact, platforms are a snapshot of principles, and a map of guideposts that is more taxonomy than GPS.

There's plenty to criticize in the platform, it's inclusiveness and the process that would improve all of the above. Work to make it better, rather than challenge the innate value. As we do it more, we can only get better at it.  


Netroots and Partisanship (0.00 / 0)
I always saw the netroots as an answer to the partisan forces which dominate our politics (yes, even our left and left-center politics).  The netroots is an opportunity for anybody and everybody to have a voice in the Great Dialogue regarding the political fate of both our nation and the international community.  And, having considered a large array of arguments, we can then cast our votes based on what we find most convincing.  Not purely along party lines.  Not on cold calculations about electability and the magic number of 60. And, by doing so, we would challenge members of both parties to run on the best message, the best policy positions, and the best values, not just on their party's platform.  By innovating in the way we decide our votes, we could force our politicians to innovate as well.  We could see the deadlock in Congress begin to loosen up.  We could see the influence of corporate interests start to dry up.  That has always been the power of the netroots to me.

If the netroots becomes the Netroots, it loses all of that pressure for innovation.  If the netroots becomes the new-partisan world for left-leaning voters, not the post-partisan world, what have we gained?  And more importantly, what have we lost?


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