Nearly Half Of Obama's Short List Is From Virginia

by: Chris Bowers

Fri Aug 15, 2008 at 16:30


Here is a useful bit of information from Marc Ambinder. Sources on Mark Warner's staff claim that the Obama campaign was trying to convince Warner to submit his name for Vice-President:

The selection of ex-VA Gov. Mark Warner to deliver the keynote address at the Democratic National Convention comes on the heels of a secret, last-minute effort to convince Warner to submit his name and record for vice presidential vetting.

Sources close to Warner say that the Virginia Senate candidate was subject to fairly intense pressure by Obama advisers to allow the team of Eric Holder and Caroline Kennedy to open an account and begin their work.

Now, I don't know if this true, as Virginia Democrats seem to be pushing for a VP from their state pretty hard. Tim Kaine's staff was leakier than the Titanic about Kaine being on the short-list, and now Warner's people are acting the same way. On top of all this, Jim Webb made a very public announcement that he was asked to submit vetting papers, but declined to do so.

However, let's assume for a moment that it is all true, and that the Obama campaign asked Warner, Webb, and Kaine to submit vetting papers for the short-list portion of the search. That would mean that three of the seven people who were asked to submit short-list vetting papers were from Virginia. The other four confirmed have been Evan Bayh, Joe Biden, Chris Dodd, and Kathleen Sebelius.

More in the extended entry.

Chris Bowers :: Nearly Half Of Obama's Short List Is From Virginia
If Virginians composed nearly half of the Obama campaign's short list, then Tim Kaine, not Evan Bayh, is probably the favorite to become Obama's Vice-President. In fact, Kaine is the only member of the short list not scheduled to speak at the convention yet. I don't know if this necessarily means anything, since rescheduling would be pretty easy. However, given that Kaine was the first Governor to endorse Obama, and that many Clinton supporters, like Charlie Rangel, are not being slotted into speaking roles in order to make room for Obama supporters, his absence is very, very conspicuous.

I wonder if the Evan Bayh trial balloon was sent out in order to help soften up the base for Kaine. From what I could tell, the netroots did not much like the choice of Kaine (see here and here for two good takedowns), but really, really hated Bayh. By comparison, and as a reinforcing pick, Kaine doesn't look quite as bad. Kaine was an early supporter of Obama, supposedly opposed the war from the start (although he was terrible on withdrawal for a while), worked on housing rights issues as a lawyer, has experience abroad (as a missionary, though), and comes from one of the three most important states (Colorado and Ohio are the other two). So yeah, he isn't very good, but he is a lot better than Evan Bayh.

Not many good options on the short list. I lean toward Sebelius, but Dodd and Biden wouldn't be too bad. No matter who it is, we will probably find out in the next week. In an attempt to maximize a convention bounce, Obama will probably announce his vice-presidential choice on or around Thursday of next week. The best bet is that they are looking for continual coverage between the VP pick and the convention, while also not giving McCain a chance to announce his VP before the Democratic convention (the McCain campaign has indicated they will probably announce their pick after Obama). As such, next Thursday makes the most sense. You don't make announcements on Fridays, so next Thursday is probably the best way to both prevent McCain from announcing before the Democratic convention, and to also guarantee a string of continuous coverage between the VP announcement and the convention.  


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More Kaine thoughts (4.00 / 2)
And, as we have seen in many places around the net, Obama is scheduled to be in Richmond, VA (where Kaine was Mayor) on Thursday.  Though, I doubt that Obama would tip his hand so clearly as to actually announce there, especially since there is a big opening on Wednesday.  

My guess, if it is Kaine, is big announcement/rally in Chicago in early prime-time on Wed with a follow up trip to Richmond for both on Thurs.  


he's pretty awful on trade (4.00 / 1)
Saw him on Charlie Rose. Same old crap about America out-competing other countries and training workers, blah blah blah. Virginia and North Carolina are the two most virulently anti-union states in the country. Hopefully, Kaine can come leftward a bit on labor issues if he's on a national ticket as opposed to still being in VA.

One major question still on all this. What happens to VA if Kaine is VP and the Republican Lt. Gov takes over?


Still hoping for Biden (4.00 / 4)
I still think Biden would be the best pick, if only because he's the kind of attack dog surrogate that Obama needs. Dodd could fill that role as well, but CT has a Republican governor and I wouldn't want to lose that Senate seat.

Of course, Bayh is the worst possible pick (outside of Sam Nunn) so anyone but Bayh is cool with me. With Bayh we get a conservative Lieberman type AND lose a Senate seat.  But even if Obama picks Bayh, I'll get over it.

But Obama/Biden seems like a very complementary pick. It's Change/Experience, Good Cop/Bad Cop, Outsider/Insider. And Biden is one of the few who is loved by the press and can call out McCain on his bullshit. Even Wes Clark can't do that and succeed, as we saw a few weeks ago.

Kaine would be okay, but he's kind of a neutral no risk/no reward pick.  

Whatever. I've learned  to trust Obama's judgement to this point, I'm sure he'll do the right thing.


still don't know about Kaine (0.00 / 0)
There is a guaranteed loss there. They have a Republican Lt. Governor!

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If Obama wanted experience, a hardass, and insider (0.00 / 0)
He'd just go ahead and pick HRC.

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I'm not seeing it (4.00 / 3)
Kaine is the second-choice of Virgina Democrats for the job behind Mark Warner so how can he possibly be the best choice for America for VP? I don't know what demographic that Tim Kaine brings other than a misplaced focus on Virginia. My picks..

Gore > Sebelius > Clark > Biden > Warner

...everybody else on the shortlist is "meh". Dodd is needed in the Senate where he is one of the few sitting Senators with any spine. Kaine is OK but I'm already sick of the DC press and their Virginia obsession. Virginia's establishment is too DC for my liking and I think the Obama should get as far away from that as possible.

John McCain


My top pick... (4.00 / 1)
I think we should choose John Kennedy... or Martin Luther King... or Jimmy Carter... because all of those wouldnt want the job and have as great a chance as Gore does of getting the nod.  WTF is up with people putting Gore on the list or wanting him for VP.  GORE IS ABOVE A VP ROLE FOR CHRIST SAKE!!!!  The stupidity of even putting Gore on a list is mind blowing.  PUT ACTUALLY CANDIDATES ON THE LIST, NOT PEOPLE WHO WOULD NEVER RUN FOR IT NOR WANT IT!

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oh come on (4.00 / 2)
If he didn't want to run for president surely he would want to play second fiddle on a ticket for another 8 years!

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Gore (4.00 / 1)
I've actually come around on Gore.  The question to Gore is whether he can help his cause on global warming more as VP or as a private citizen.

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There are not "actual candidates" (0.00 / 0)
..only media hype and speculation (wild or otherwise). I wouldn't have included Gore if I had not read a blog post on The American Prospect yesterday speculating on the possibility of a second Gore VP. Go go scream at them.

http://www.prospect.org/csnc/b...

John McCain


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You go, Joe (0.00 / 0)
Put Gore on your list. It's not like you're claiming to be Nostradamus or sumpin.

I like the list except I would move Warner up a few notches.

People say we don't have a lot of good choices but by gawd if Warner's number 5 then we're doing alright.

Of course, the flip side of that is if Bayh is the frontrunner then we're screwed.

I'm hoping to high hell, though, that Bayh is just media speculation.

It's hard to separate your hopes from your expectations of course.


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I'd Rather Have Warner Than Kaine (4.00 / 10)
Because Warner would deliver Virginia. He's probably second only to Jesus H Christ in that state. No doubt in my mind. Kaine wouldn't lock it down. I'm sure Obama's people know it, and I'm not at all surprised if they're begging Warner to join up. McCain's got to win 3 out of 4 of Virginia, Ohio, Michigan, and Colorado just to have a chance. Warner would lock up Virginia and I still don't believe, when the chips are down, that Michigan will turn red. If Obama somehow got Warner on the ticket, you watch the panic and the backstabbing on the SS Straight Talk, because the math goes from bad to darn near impossible for them.

Warner would deliver Virginia.
Schweitzer would deliver Montana.

There's nobody else out there who, in my mind, if Obama picks him automatically secures EVs right off the top. Ideology aside, Warner's probably the shewdist pick electorally that Obama could make.


Bayh is also extremely popular in Indiana. (4.00 / 1)
Unfortunately.

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Warner could help in Virginia with reverse coattails (0.00 / 0)


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As a Virginian I agree (4.00 / 1)
Warner is God here; he would deliver the state. I mean, we're talking lock.

Kaine is something of a disappointing dufus in comparison. He's got his fans but not much crossover appeal any more I expect.

Warner is my number one guy (assuming Gore really is off the table.)Then Clark and Sebelius, probably in that order.


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Everyone Would (0.00 / 0)
But Warner (and likely Chuck Schumer) would much rather have the VA senate seat than play host to every group of boy scouts, sports teams and second-tier dignitaries for four years.  I absolutely doubt the ability of any person to "deliver" a state.  Statistically, there's no evidence, and it also fails a logic test, especially because everyone knows that VPs, aside from Cheney, usually are just panders to a particular constituency.  That said, Warner's just a great politician and his credentials in Virginia are superb.  Furthermore, more than Kaine, his governorship really embodies the idea of a "post-partisan" ideology, particularly with his trademark budget compromise and the fact that he's just an effective executive resulting in VA winning a "best managed state" award.  

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Mark Warner wants it (0.00 / 0)
He almost ran for President, set up an exploratory committee and explored. Then stepped back in large part because he would have had to run 24/365 if he went after the top job. But now if he takes the Veep spot, he has to run only 24/65 or so until Election Day. Then hey, Veep ain't such a bad job. You think being number 2 is not better than being 95th in seniority in a club of 100? And being Veep is one heart beat away ...

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Lists Are Fun (4.00 / 6)
Here's the reactions various VP picks would elicit from me: (probabilities thereof disregarded)

Ecstatic
Russ Feingold
Al Gore

Very Happy
Kathleen Sebelius
Brian Schweitzer

Satisfied
Wes Clark
Joe Biden
Chris Dodd
Hillary Clinton
Bill Richardson
Mark Warner

Blech
Tim Kaine
Tom Daschle

Dear God No
Evan Bayh
Sam Nunn


I love these categories (0.00 / 0)
Here are my choices (same ballpark as yours)
Ecstatic:
Gore, Warner, Schweitzer

Very Happy:
Sebelius, Feingold, Clark

Satisfied:
Biden, Dodd, Clinton (a volatile satisfaction)

Blech:
Richardson, Kaine, Daschle, Nunn

Dear God No:
Bayh


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I thought I'd never say this, but... (4.00 / 4)
...all this talk about Bayh, Kaine, Biden etc. makes me wish Clinton was on the short list.

Sigh... Still hoping for Clark...

"Don't take much, does it, elected Democrats, to get your balls tucked up." Cf.


Wes Clark hit the ball out of the park (0.00 / 0)
on CNN today, analyzing the Russian/Georgian conflict.

Has anyone here contacted Caroline Kennedy on the importance of naming Wes Clark for VP?

He is PERFECT for the job.  His analysis made so much more sense than mccain's bluster.


Which makes it all the more puzzling to find he isn't yet schedueled to speak at the convention (0.00 / 0)


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could it mean (0.00 / 0)
that he will be vp?

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Possible (4.00 / 2)
He does live in Virginia.

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i just read that clark (0.00 / 0)
will be out of the country for the convention on tpm.

major bummer.  i can't believe he's not vp, or at the least, speaking.

hopefully sec. of state of sec. def. if not vp (hope springs eternal).


Does anyone even know .. (0.00 / 0)
if Clark was asked for vetting materials?

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apparently not. i'm crushed. (0.00 / 0)
Clark's son posted on Daily Kos that he does not believe Clark has been vetted. Bummer.  Obama would look so strong if he picked him.

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I'd like to say that I love that (0.00 / 0)
the short list has ballooned from 4 (Kaine, Bayh, Sebelius and Biden) to 15+ with 9 days to go. That's a sign of a tightly run campaign.

Removing Ideological Bias And Virginia Eye Film Cover (0.00 / 0)
We're seeing one international crisis/situation after another lately.  A VP nominee with a foreign policy background is an obvious necessity.

I think the Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee is a great choice because he enhances Senator Obama's already good chances of winning the election.

By the way, Senator Biden is the author of the Violence Against Women Act.


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