Concerning Hillary Clinton's Coattails

by: Chris Bowers

Mon Aug 13, 2007 at 20:15


I am just returning from about thirty hours away from my computer (the wonders of Soapblox allow me to write posts ahead of time and post them at a later date), and I am just catching up on email and site happenings now (I'll read all of the comments you made on my three posts before this one later tonight.)  One story in which I was interested came from the AP earlier today, and questioned whether Hillary Clinton's high negatives would be an electoral drag on what certainly seems to be shaping up to be a Democratic year in 2008 (see the latest piece from Democracy Corps for more on this). From the AP article:

In more than 40 interviews, Democratic candidates, consultants and party chairs from every region pointed to internal polls that give Clinton strikingly high unfavorable ratings in places with key congressional and state races.(…)

The problem is her political baggage: A whopping 49 percent of the public says they have an unfavorable view of Clinton compared to 47 percent who say they hold her in high regard, according to a Gallup Poll survey Aug. 3-5.

Her negative ratings are higher than those of her husband, former President Clinton, former President George H.W. Bush and 2004 Democratic nominee John Kerry at the end of their campaigns.

A candidate's unfavorability scores almost always climb during campaigns. If the pattern holds, Clinton has a historically high hurdle to overcome.

Anecdotally speaking, this is indeed a question I have heard discussed often in political circles, both online and off. It seems to be a general worry that many Democrats and progressives who are not supporting Hillary Clinton in the primaries have about her. However, looking over some numbers, I wonder if the importance of favorable / unfavorable polls are overstated when discussing a candidate's coattails. Since the Gallup poll was quoted in the AP article, consider these favorable numbers recorded by Gallup on July 12-15:

Hillary Clinton: 47% favorable, 48% unfavorable
Rudy Giuliani: 52% favorable, 32% unfavorable
Barack Obama: 49% favorable, 26% unfavorable

Now, given these favorable ratings, one would think that there would be a large gap between Clinton and Obama's performance against Giuliani in the same poll, right? However, that is not what the numbers show:

Gallup Poll. July 12-15, 2007. N=908 registered voters nationwide. MoE ± 4.
Giuliani 49%--46% Clinton
Giuliani 49%--45% Obama

In showing Giuliani ahead of both Clinton and Obama, this poll is definitely anomalous. However, what I think it also shows is that the impact of favorable / unfavorable ratings on general election trial heats is not exactly obvious. Obama has a higher favorable rating than Clinton, and a much better favorable / unfavorable ratio. However, this does not translate into a superior general election performance against Giuliani. Further, even though Giuliani crushes Clinton in the favorable poll by a net 21 points, his lead in the general election trial heat is an extremely narrow three points. In this poll, there does not seem to be a clear relationship between favorable numbers and trial heat numbers.

I point this out to suggest that Clinton's "coattail problem" is overstated by many. Also, considering how much it is talked about, someone should try and provide an estimate of how large this problem would actually be. Right now, the best available means of determining this comes from general election trial heat averages. So, looking at a broad range of polls of this sort, it appears that Obama performs 2.2% better than Clinton against Giuliani according to Real Clear Politics, and 3.1% better than Clinton according to Pollster.com. When matched up against John McCain, the other nearly 100% name ID Republican candidate, Obama performs 3.5% better according to RCP, and 4.8% better according to Pollster.com. Right now, this suggests an average Clinton coattail problem of, at most, about 3.0 or 3.5%. Further, it should be pointed out that this margin could very well decrease as time goes on, or even be eliminated entirely. For example, immediately after the Iowa caucuses, John Kerry polled better than Hillary Clinton in general election matchups against Republicans. However, after the swift-boating campaign of 2004, Hillary Clinton began to poll better against Republicans than did John Kerry. So, while Clinton does worse than Obama against Republicans now, that does not necessarily mean she will do worse than Obama in the actual election. Polls like these can, and will, change.

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it's a semicaptive audience (0.00 / 0)
when you're polling. if you're halfway through a poll and ask about candidate x vs candidate y, would people not be more inclined to state a preference as opposed to, for example, "i'd probably stay home"? Not entirely dissimilar to someone who's already in the voting booth and casts a ballot in a race they don't care much about because they happen to be there already.

Whether that's true or not with presidential I can't say, but it seems like a relevant point to explore.

John McCain opposes the GI Bill.


Those negatives are a problem (0.00 / 0)
I was writing a diary with the exact same concern while this story was published.  It is based on an LA times source.  I do see this as a significant problem she is at unfavorabilties which are almost unelectable.

Even worse much of that is negative energy is concentrated in the states we need to win for an electoral victory or to enlarge our congressional majorities.

My job is not to represent Washington to you, but to represent you to Washington- Obama
Philly for Obama


Republicans Experts At Creating High Negatives (0.00 / 0)
Republicans have worked to drive Clinton's negatives up for the last fifteen years.  If someone else wins the primary, they will swift-boat that Democrat and drive up that person's negatives as well. 

I'm also hoping that some of Clinton's negatives are due to the left-wing of her own party.  If I responded to one of these polls, I would probably rate her negatively, although I would certainly pick her over Giuliani, which may, in part, explain why her higher negatives don't translate into the head-to-head polling. 

Saxby Chambliss, worse than disgraceful; he's reprehensible.  


Approval ratings still matter (0.00 / 0)
Support or opposition is not a binary function.  The extent to which a person supports or opposes someone matters a great deal in terms of financial support, volunteering, and GOTV.  The social conservatives may not be thrilled about their top tier,  but they will go balls to the wall against Clinton, while they'd be less enthused about going against Obama or Edwards.  For Obama in particular, while a lot of people would not vote for him, they don't hate him.  He doesn't evoke nearly the contempt Clinton does. 

Clinton would win the general election, but I do think she'd have more harmful coattails than her competitors. 


Coat tails (0.00 / 0)
Most of the evidence is anecedol, but it is with party people in districts in which their is a struggle for democrats to win and the margin is narrow.

These democrats don/t want her in their district campaigning and don't want to be put on the defense by their opponent by having her at the head of the ticket.

She didnot campaign in VA, OH, MO, MN, mt OR TN. sHE DID PROVIDE CLOSE DOOR FUND RAISER'S tHESE CANDIDATES DIDNOT WANT TO BE SEEN ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL WITH HER, BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT IT WOULD HURT THEIR CAMPAIGN.


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Hillary hate is real (4.00 / 1)
And should be regarded as a coattail factor.

As Lucas O'Connor points out above, a poll respondent just answers the phone; they don't go out and vote.

My wife's mostly apolitical grandmother writes checks to anti-Hillary organizations.  She might sit out a Rudy v. Obama election, but if Hillary's running, she'll be there to vote against her.  And I've talked to plenty of others over the years who have a visceral dislike of Hillary.

I think she'll win if she's nominated, but the extra anti-Hillary voters she brings to the polls will vote GOP on all the down-ticket races, and that will cost us.


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Remember Richard Nixon (0.00 / 0)
In 1972 Nixon won in a landslide.  He had served one term and was not a likeable president.  To the left he was a joke but he won all but 2 states in 72.  The rest as they say is history.  The Republican brand makes people sick right now.  All Terror 24/7, there is no talk about fixing this nation -- only more tax cuts and more war. As far as healthcare, they want to privatize it all.  300 million of us should go out and find our own healthcare.  If people vote for Hillary it won't be because they can dish the dirt with her it will be because they think she has the best chance of fixing this nations problems.  Sometimes people vote for someone competent to take care of the issues they care about. The media said Bush was likeable and that most Americans believed he was a great guy to go have a beer with.  Now he speaks and millions of TVs are turned off.

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To echo/expand on others' thoughts (4.00 / 1)
A poll isn't necessarily going to capture the "coattail" effect.  That is, on Election Day, I'm sure there are some citizens who come out to vote because they think of it as a civic duty, but I'd wager the vast majority come out specifically to vote for one particular candidate, for one particular bill, or against one particular candidate or bill.

Like in '04, just as an example, much was made of the GOP using gay marriage bans on state ballots to get conservatives out to vote...and then, while they were out there voting to discriminate against gays, they happily check in all the Republican boxes. 

A poll doesn't work like that.  If you're answering a poll question, you're already in the booth, looking at the ballot.  Polling head-to-heads cannot accurately capture turn-out effects.  But Hillary's favorable/unfavorable suggest that she'd be bad for Democratic turn-out and great for Republican turn-out.  She's the perfect storm candidate in that sense: not likely to excite her own base, but very likely to excite the opposition base. 

Hell, I haven't missed an election yet (personally) since I was 18, and I'll be voting in the primaries, and yet, if Clinton is the nominee for the general, I honestly don't know if I'd come out to vote.  If I did, it wouldn't be to vote for her or just to vote...it'd be because the Republican nominate someone so heinous (say, Rudy and his FP guy Podhoretz) that I simply have to vote against that person.

That's a problem for Hillary.  The fact that there's a substantial bloc of her own party that calls itself "anybody but Clinton" is a problem.  Those things matter on election day.


Our guys are better than their guys even if our guy is a gal (0.00 / 0)
I wasn't that crazy about Dukakis or Carter.  But I am a Democrat and I voted for them.  I too have never missed an election since I was eligible to vote and I know one thing Dems are better. 

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Known vs. Unknown Obstacles (0.00 / 0)
I'm not sure why the progressive community is spending any time trying to ameliorate concerns about Hillary's negatives.  Polling consistently shows that Hillary has nearly 100% name recognition, that she has the highest negatives of all the Democratic candidates, that she is the weakest in head-head general election match-ups (of the major three Dems).  In short, the question shouldn't only be whether she can bring her negatives down.  The question should also be why would the progressive community expend the energy to bring her negatives down or trust that she would bring her negatives down?  Why would we go to bat for her when there are two or more other candidates out there who have room to grow and who could become strong allies?

Rudy is a Tyrant

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