News Flash: John McCain NOT The Only POW In History of the World!

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 15:00


McCain's status as a former POW is now his all-purpose defense against everything.  Can't remember how many houses he owns? "This is a guy who lived in one house for five and a half years -- in prison," --McCain spokesman Brian Rogers.  Maybe cheated in the Saddleback House of God debate?  "The insinuation from the Obama campaign that John McCain, a former prisoner of war, cheated is outrageous." [Even though he cheated on his first wife.] -- McCain spokeswoman Nicole Wallace.  Farted in public?  "This is a guy who never went out in public for five and a half years.  He was in prison! [Fart!]" -- McCain spokesbrat Bart Simpson.

I know that this will come as a deep shock to many, but it's true: John McCain isn't the only POW in the history of world.  In fact, there have been millions of them, as Wikipedia notes in this "list of nations with the highest number of POWs since the start of World War II, listed in descending order":

Prisoner nationality Number Name of conflict
Flag of the Soviet Union Soviet Union 4 - 5.7 million taken by Germany (2.7 - 3.3 million died in German POW camps) [27] (ref. Streit) World War II (Total)
Flag of Nazi Germany Nazi Germany 3,127,380 taken by U.S.S.R. (474,967 died in captivity) [27]
  • 3,630,000 taken by Great Britain
  • 3,100,000 taken by the United States
  • 937,000 taken by France
  • unknown number in Yugoslavia, Poland, Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark
  • 1,3 million unknown [28]

World War II
Flag of France France 1,800,000 taken by Germany Battle of France in World War II
Flag of Poland Poland 675,000 (420,000 by Germans, 240,000 by Soviets in 1939; 15,000 Warsaw 1944) World War II
Flag of the United Kingdom United Kingdom ~200,000 (135,000 taken in Europe, does not include Pacific or Commonwealth figures) World War II
Flag of the United States United States ~130,000 (95,532 taken by Germany) World War II
Flag of Pakistan Pakistan 90,368 taken by India Indo-Pakistani War of 1971

Hmmm.  Roughly 20 million in WWII alone.  That's a lot of POWs.  Well over 100,000 were Americans, and not one of them ran for President based on his status as a WWII POW.  Some stupid general named Eisenhower--whoever he was--crowded them all out.

So, if John McCain's not unique, then why is he special?  Why is he the only person around who is routinely identified as a former POW, and why is that taken to be so important?  Why is he the first POW superstar in American history?  These are questions that always hover in the air.  Let's try bringing them down to earth, shall we?

Paul Rosenberg :: News Flash: John McCain NOT The Only POW In History of the World!
POW As Hero-How'd It Happen?

Why is a POW suddenly a hero?  McCain's not the only one, of course.  He's merely the one who's cashed in, "big time," as America's #2 war criminal would say.  Still, looking back at American history, one has to wonder. Limiting ourselves to declared wars or major conflictsm, and those who loomed large in later life (or resputations in death) due to their service we have:

WarHeroic CommanderBattlefield HeroFamous/Heroic POW
Revolutionary WarGen. George Washington, Francis Marion, Tadeusz Ko?ciuszko, etc.Cyprus Attucks, Nathan Hale, John Paul JonesNone
War of 1812Gen. General Winfield Scot, Gen. Andrew JacksonJean LaffiteNone
Mexican-American WarGen. Zachary Taylor, Gen. Winfield ScottMany on the Mexican side, on our side, not so muchNone
Civil WarGen. Ulysses S. Grant, Gen. William Tecumseh ShermanRobert Gould ShawNone
Spanish-American WarCmdr. George DeweyTeddy RooseveltNone
World War IGen. John J. PershingAlvin York, Eddie RickenbackerNone
World War IIGen. Dwight D. Eisenhower, Gen George MarshallJohn F. KennedyNone
Korean WarArguably NoneDavid HackworthNone
Vietnam WarArguably None David Hackworth, John KerryJohn McCain

Obviously, this is not an exhaustive list.  I'm only trying to capture heroes of a certain public stature, whose war records became closely identified with them.  This is why JFK is listed under WWII, while George McGovern, for example, is not.  And, of course, Kurt Vonnegut was rather well known as a WWII POW, but it wasn't because he was a POW, it's because he fashioned a remarkable work work of fiction, Slaughterhouse Five, out of part of his experience.  Others who had been held prisoner were well-known, such as Nathanal Hale, remembered not for his imprisonment, but for his brave words on facing his execution, "I regret that I have but one life to live for my country."

Still, the general sense of the above chart is hard to deny--in Vietnam, the POWs stepped forward to fill a void.  There was nothing heroic about the collective efforts of our commanders, and thus, unlike Grant in the Civil War, even those who were able could not emerge from the collective failure of others.

But there's something more here, as well, which is best explained in historian H. Bruce Franklin's book, M.I.A. or Mythmaking in America, in which he describes Nixon's deliberate plan to alter the Vietnam War narrative, surrealistically, to make the purpose of the war the rescue of the POWs.

It was a totally nonsensical narrative, since POWs are regularly returned at the end of a war.  But, of course, the Vietnamese were "gooks" as John McCain still calls them, and thus could not be "trusted" to abide by such niceties.  Or at least that was the racist subtext on which Nixon's narrative depended.

This shift of focus allowed us, once again, to disavow and forget the real reasons for being in Vietnam, to forget all the blood on our hands, and instead to indulge ourselves in a rescue fantasy--a fantasy that soon spun out of control into the still-potent myth that our government intentionally abandoned live POWs--though why the Vietnamese would continue holding them is never explained. (That ole racist subtext again.)

And so it is that, bereft of any real heroic framework for the war, any real heroic narratives to explain what we were doing there, and how individual acts of valor could escape from the larger context of national disgrace, we turned to fantasy, and re-creation of the POWs as heroes.  Why?  Not because they were any more or less heroic than other POWs before them, but because we had nothing else to hide behind in our efforts to avoid confronting the uglt truth about how we had abandoned and betrayed our ideals.  And because we continue to hide from that ugly truth, we have re-created Vietnam in Afghanistan and Iraq.

POW As MORAL Hero-Jessica Lynch vs. John McCain

Just because the image of the POW has been used to shield us from examining vital truths, this hardly means that individual POWs have to play along, however.  No doubt, it's a mighty tall order to call on men who have been through such an ordeal to be leaders in seeing through how they have been used.  But isn't tall orders what we expect from those who would lead us?

And besides, there's always Jessica Lynch.  They wanted to use her as the POW poster girl for what we were doing in Iraq, and she refused to go along.  Why?  For the simple reason that it just wasn't so.  Not only did her "captors" not rape her, as some overheated imaginations wildly speculated, they weren't really captors at all.  They took care of her, nursed her back to health, and even tried to return her to us-only to be shot at for their troubles.

Given the hyper-jingoistic atmosphere at the time, it took as much moral courage for Jessica Lynch to speak out with the truth as it took physical courage for her to go into combat in the first place-a moral courage is considerably more rare.  But one gets the distinct sense from her that it didn't take any conscious courage whatsoever on her part.  She simply told the truth, because that's just what you do.  It may not have felt the least bit courageous for her, but it's still courage in my book.

Now, the truths that Jessica Lynch stood up for were not complicated ones, going to national motives, and the betrayal of what America is supposed to stand for.  They were simple matters of fact.  But Lynch is still young, and not pretending to any sort of national leadership role.  McCain is about to turn 73, and he's the GOP's presumptive presidential candidate .  She is fundamentally honest, and he is not.  

America needs as many Jessica Lynches as it can get its hands on.  She is a true American hero.  John McCain, however, not so much.


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Aren't you forgetting .. (0.00 / 0)
MacArthur .. as a heroic commander for WWII? ... and for battlefield hero .. wouldn't Doolittle qualify?  Or is he not name enough?

I'm Not Trying To Be Exhaustive Here (0.00 / 0)
I'm just trying to be indicative.  Sorry that wasn't clearer.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

[ Parent ]
Gen. Jonathan Wainwright (4.00 / 4)
Was Probably the Only POW Hero from WWII.

And it's really a total contrast from McCain. Wainwright was left behind to command American forces in the Philippines  after Gen. Douglas MacArthur was ordered home. He commanded the troops on Bataan until forced to surrender and then was imprisoned for 4 years by the Japanese, being awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor for heroism under fire in the defense of Bataan.

But, you don't hear much about Wainwright, because he never tried to make a big deal out of his service. He was honored not for surrendering, but for fighting on under a hopeless situation.

But here's the real difference. Instead of bloviating about his captivity at every opportunity the way McCain does, he agonized over the decision to surrender Bataan in May 1942, in order to reduce American casualties, feeling that somehow he had let the country down.

His first words on being freed from captivity in 1945 were: "How am I thought of back in the states?" He was amazed to learn that people thought he was a hero.

After the war, Wainwright was never much in the public spotlight and he certainly never tried to capitalize on his having surrendered, which he continued to believe was regrettable, though he felt he had no choice. He continued to serve quietly and retired in 1947.

McCain's grand-standing in the media is really dishonorable. I can't even imagine what someone like Gen. Wainwright would think of a twerp like McCain bragging about being taken prisoner by the enemy.  


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Thanks. (4.00 / 2)
My main response point here would be that it was not his captivity he was known for.  Indeed, his captivity was only a focus of attention because of what preceeded it.  Just the mirror image of Kurt Vonnegutt, whose captivity was noteworthy for what came after.  In neither case was the captivity itself the focus of attention, much less celebrity.

The contrast with McCain is simply mind-boggling.  Which was my point: there is simply no parallel to this in US history.

No wonder he's so quick to accuse Obama of being a celebrity!

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Perfect contrast! (0.00 / 0)
May this meme be fruitful and multiply.

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Thx for mentioning Vonnegut! (4.00 / 1)
And you're right, "Slaughterhouse Five", as well a many other books, wouldn't have been possible without his personal experience. The way he did cope with his time as a POW, and how he used it in a positive way, shows indeed a striking difference to McCain's selfish approach.  

[ Parent ]
I have heard rumors, though they might not be substantiated (4.00 / 2)
that McCain was exceedingly unpopular amongst the other POWs at the Hanoi Hilton.  I wonder what kind of stories could be discovered about him if people started digging...

There Are Probably Some Pretty Good Ones, But My Guess Is They Don't Get Told (4.00 / 2)
A protective "code of honor," don'tcha know!

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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Code Of Honor? (4.00 / 2)
Would that be the same code of honor which prevented veterans from saying bad things about John Kerry?

[ Parent ]
How Many Times Do You HaveTo Be Told (0.00 / 0)
to clean up your room? IOKIYAR!

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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I think you missed the sarcasm, Paul (0.00 / 0)
Besides, IPNOKIYAR. IYARYPVAYOI.

(It's probably not ok if you are republican. If you are republican, you probably vote against your own interests)
:D


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Damn, forget about what I wrote (0.00 / 0)
Seeing the phrase in another context at Krugman's blog, I now have an icy feeling at my neck that I mistranslated it. Damn. Excuse me pls while I get a towel to clean up my face...

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Oh, I GOT The Sarcasm, And Was Trying To Play Along With It (0.00 / 0)
It's always hard to tell how well these tonal things work, especially without resorting to those frickin emoticons, which I think were cool for about 90 seconds back in the mid-90s.

"Honor among thieves" was also a subtext I was trying to hint at.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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My groundhog minute (4.00 / 1)
"those frickin emoticons, which I think were cool for about 90 seconds back in the mid-90s"

This must be the timeloop in which I'm stuck!
:D


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Well, We ALL Have Our Little Quirks (0.00 / 0)
(I always think "Oh, no, we'll all be killed!" when I see that one.)

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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I can't take credit for compiling this as I took it from another site. (4.00 / 1)
FACT SHEET: Military record of John Sidney McCain III (from the internet).

Both McCain III's father and grandfather were Admirals in the United States Navy. His father
Admiral John S. "Junior" McCain was commander of U.S. forces in Europe - later commander of American forces in Vietnam while McCain III was being held prisoner of war.
His grandfather John S. McCain, Sr. commanded naval aviation at the Battle of Okinawa in 1945.
McCain III, like his father and grandfather, also attended the United States Naval Academy.
McCain III finished near the bottom of his graduating class in 1958.
McCain III lost five U.S. Navy aircraft
1 - Student pilot McCain III lost jet number one in 1958 when he plunged into Corpus
Christi Bay while practicing landings.
2 - Pilot McCain III lost another plane two years later while he was deployed in the
Mediterranean. "Flying too low over the Iberian Peninsula, he took out some power lines
which led to a spate of newspaper stories in which he was predictably identified as the
son of an admiral.
3 - Pilot McCain III lost number three in 1965 when he was returning from flying a Navy trainer solo to Philadelphia for an Army-Navy football game. McCain III radioed, "I've got a flameout" and ejected at one thousand feet. The plane crashed to the ground and
McCain III floated to a deserted beach.
4 - Combat pilot McCain III lost his fourth on July 29, 1967, soon after he was assigned to the USS Forrestal as an A-4 Skyhawk combat pilot. While waiting his turn for takeoff, an accidently fired rocket slammed into McCain's plane. He escaped from the burning aircraft, but the explosions that followed killed 134 sailors, destroyed at least 20 aircraft, and threatened to sink the ship.
5 - Combat pilot McCain III lost a fifth plane three months later (Oct. 26, 1967) during his 23rd mission over North Vietnam when he failed to avoid a surface-to-air missile. McCain III ejected from the plane breaking both arms and a leg in the process and subsequently parachuted into Truc Bach Lake near Hanoi. After being pulled from the lake by the North
Vietnamese, McCain III was bayoneted in his left foot and shoulder and struck by a rifle butt. He was then transported to the Hoa Lo Prison, also known as the Hanoi Hilton.
1973 New York Daily News labeled POW McCain III a "PW Songbird"
On McCain III's fourth day of being denied medical treatment, slapped, and threatened with death by the communist (they were demanding military information in exchange for medical treatment), McCain III broke and told his interrogator, "O.K., I'll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital." U.S. News and World Report, May 14, 1973 article written by former POW John McCain.It was then that the communist learned that McCain III's father was Admiral John S. McCain, the soon-to-be commander of all U.S. Forces in the Pacific. The Vietnamese rushed McCain III to Gai Lam military hospital (U.S. government documents), a medical facility normally unavailable for U.S. POWs.
By Nov. 9, 1967 (U.S. government documents) Hanoi press was quoting McCain III describing
his mission including the number of aircraft in his flight, information about rescue ships, and the
order of which U.S. attacks would take place.
While in still in North Vietnam's military hospital, McCain III gave an interview to prominent
French television reporter Francois Chalais for a series titled Life in Hanoi. Chalais' interview with
McCain III was aired in Europe.
Vietnamese doctors operated on McCain's Leg in early December, 1967.
Six weeks after he was shot down, McCain was taken from the hospital and delivered to a
U.S. POW camp,
In May of 1968, McCain III allowed himself to be interviewed by two North Vietnamese
generals at separate times." May 14, 1973 article written by former POW John McCain
In August 1968, other POWs learned for the first time that John McCain III had been taken
prisoner.
On June 5, 1969, the New York Daily News reported in a article headlined Reds Say PW
Songbird Is Pilot Son of Admiral, " . . . Hanoi has aired a broadcast in which the pilot son of
United States Commander in the Pacific, Adm. John McCain, purportedly admits to having
bombed civilian targets in North Vietnam and praises medical treatment he has received since
being taken prisoner . . ." The Washington Post explained McCain III's broadcast: "The English-
Language broadcast beamed at South Vietnam was one of a series using American prisoners. It
was in response to a plea by Defense Secretary Melvin S. Laird, May 19, that North Vietnam treat
prisoners according to the humanitarian standards set forth by the Geneva Convention."
In 1970, McCain III agreed to an interview with Dr. Fernando Barral, a Spanish psychiatrist
who was living in Cuba at the time.
The meeting between Barral and McCain III (which was photographed by the Vietnamese)
took place away from the prison at the office of the Committee for Foreign Cultural Relations in
Hanoi (declassified government document). During the meeting, POW McCain sipped coffee and
ate oranges and cakes with the Cuban.
While talking with Barral, McCain III further seriously violated the military Code of Conduct by
failing to evade answering questions "to the utmost of his ability" when he, according government
documents, helped Barral by answering questions in Spanish, a language McCain had learned in
school. The interview was published in the in January 1970.
McCain III was released from North Vietnam March 15, 1973
In 1993, during one of his many trips back to Hanoi, McCain asked the Vietnamese not to
make public any records they hold pertaining to returned U.S. POWs. McCain III claims, that
while a POW, he tried to kill himself.
McCain III was awarded "medals for valor" equal to nearly a medal-and-a-half for each
hour he spent in combat
For 23 combat missions (an estimated 20 hours over enemy territory), the U.S. Navy awarded
McCain III, the son of famous admirals, a Silver Star, a Legion of Merit for Valor, a Distinguished
Flying Cross, three Bronze Stars, two Commendation medals plus two Purple Hearts and a
dozen service medals.
"McCain had roughly 20 hours in combat," explains Bill Bell, a veteran of Vietnam and former
chief of the U.S. Office for POW/MIA Affairs -- the first official U.S. representative in Vietnam
since the 1973 fall of Saigon.
"Since McCain got 28 medals," Bell continued, "that equals to about a medal-and-a-half for
each hour he spent in combat. There were infantry guys -- grunts on the ground -- who had more
than 7,000 hours in combat and I can tell you that there were times and situations where I'm sure
a prison cell would have looked pretty good to them by comparison. The question really is how
many guys got that number of medals for not being shot down."
For years, McCain has been an unchecked master at manipulating an overly friendly and biased news media. The former POW turned Congressman, turned U.S. Senator, has managed to gloss over his failures as a pilot and his collaborations with the enemy to become America's POW-hero presidential candidate.
Thanx...
Posted by: Maddog | June 18, 2008 at 11:09 AM


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Why I will not vote for John McCain (Phillip Butler, Navy grad and former POW) (4.00 / 1)
Fellow POW from Vietnam who was there 2.5 years longer than John McCain:
http://www.military.com/opinio...

"I furthermore believe that having been a POW is no special qualification for being President of the United States. The two jobs are not the same, and POW experience is not, in my opinion, something I would look for in a presidential candidate." - pretty much agreeing with Wes Clark.

"I can verify that John has an infamous reputation for being a hot head. He has a quick and explosive temper that many have experienced first hand. Folks, quite honestly that is not the finger I want next to that red button." - McCain is a dangerous trigger-happy pop off at the mouth type of Senator (agreeing with Josh Marshall).

And there is plenty more:
"It is also disappointing to see him take on and support Bush's war in Iraq, even stating we might be there for another 100 years. For me John represents the entrenched and bankrupt policies of Washington-as-usual. The past 7 years have proven to be disastrous for our country. And I believe John's views on war, foreign policy, economics, environment, health care, education, national infrastructure and other important areas are much the same as those of the Bush administration.

I'm disappointed to see John represent himself politically in ways that are not accurate. He is not a moderate Republican. On some issues he is a maverick. But his voting record is far to the right. I fear for his nominations to our Supreme Court, and the consequent continuing loss of individual freedoms, especially regarding moral and religious issues. John is not a religious person, but he has taken every opportunity to ally himself with some really obnoxious and crazy fundamentalist ministers lately. I was also disappointed to see him cozy up to Bush because I know he hates that man. He disingenuously and famously put his arm around the guy, even after Bush had intensely disrespected him with lies and slander. So on these and many other instances, I don't see that John is the "straight talk express" he markets himself to be.

Senator John Sidney McCain, III is a remarkable man who has made enormous personal achievements. And he is a man that I am proud to call a fellow POW who "Returned With Honor." That's our POW motto. But since many of you keep asking what I think of him, I've decided to write it out. In short, I think John Sidney McCain, III is a good man, but not someone I will vote for in the upcoming election to be our President of the United States."


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Simple answer: (4.00 / 3)
"So, if John McCain's not unique, then why is he special?"

Because he's been single-mindedly attaching the POW brand to his product as if he was indeed the only one in the world. Just like Lieberman became the only Jew in the world.

And it worked because Americans have bought into the military-worship that the Bushies and their allies across the spectrum have pushed so relentlessly.


True Enough, But Also... (0.00 / 0)
If Vietnam had been genuinely necessay a war, one that was not a betrayal of our ideals, then the POW brand would never have been out there for him to corner.

In short: bad wars make bad heroes.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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He capitalized (0.00 / 0)
on the manufactured guilt about how liberals didn't support the Vietnam troops. When the truth was that the main attacks came from GOP/righties pissed that they "lost" the war. But liberals are such patsies for wingnut bullshit.

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McCain had it easy (4.00 / 1)
compared to all the russian guys who finally got home and then were immediately thrown into the Gulag because their time in Germany had made them politically suspect.  

If Bush had put him in Guantanamo for a while for reeducation, then he would have some real cred.

John McCain: Health insurance for low income children represents an "unfunded liability."


hit him where it hurts (0.00 / 0)
I think the netroots can and should do more to develop attacks on the POW thing. Nice work. Let's keep it going.

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