What Biden Means

by: David Sirota

Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 14:22


I was on Fox News this morning about what the Biden VP nomination means. You can watch it here:

If you don't want to watch the clip, let me summarize my thoughts with a quick rundown of the good, bad and ugly of Biden's nomination.  

David Sirota :: What Biden Means
The Good: As the Drum Major Institute shows, Biden has a fairly progressive record on basic economic issues, and has gotten more progressive on specific issues like trade. He's also been a strong voice opposing unilateral war against Iran. And rhetorically, he seems comfortable painting a stark contrast between Democrats and Republicans on issues.

The Bad: He is one of the most arrogant and conceited people in Washington - one of the jokes in D.C. when I was there is that Biden uses the term "I" more than anyone else. Because of this self-importance, he consequently shoots his mouth off in ways that can undermine progressives. For example, he has made insulting racial comments about African Americans and Indians. This might not only be dredged up by Republicans, but Biden may commit additional errors in his new platform as VP nominee. Additionally, Biden is an insider's insider, having spent most of his life in Washington, D.C. That doesn't exactly underscore Obama's message of change.

The Ugly: He was one of the most ardent supporters of the credit card-industry written Bankruptcy Bill of 2005, which was one of the most regressive pieces of economic legislation in the last generation. And though he cites his foreign policy experience as an asset, he used his position as one of Democrats' top foreign policy voices to support the Iraq War.  

So, all in all, the Biden choice is a shade on the good side of mediocre, though Obama's willingness to anoint a senator who voted for two landmark travesties - the Bankruptcy Bill and Iraq War - gives us some disturbing clues about the Illinois senator's attitude toward the economic progressive movement and the antiwar movement. It also shows how much work those movements have in front of them - and how, in particular, the antiwar movement's strategy of focusing all attention on Republicans has actually helped create the situation whereby the Democratic Party feels perfectly comfortable rewarding supposed Serious Foreign Policy Voics like Biden even after they voted for the war.

UPDATE: Just to answer some commenters questions: I appear on Fox News whenever Fox News asks me to appear. I do that because I think it is important to have solid progressive voices play offense in all media outlets when we are given a chance. And if you watch the clip, I took a lot of time to point out that McCain has changed. That said, I'm not going to be a partisan shill, simply saying "Obama Good, McCain Bad" all day like a parrot. I'm going to give my honest assessment - because in this world you really only have two things: 1) Your family and 2) Your credibility.

I make no apologies for going on conservative media and being a full-throated progressive, and I also make no apologies for telling it like it is, whether people afflicted with Partisan War Syndrome like it or not. If you don't agree with me, I respect your opinion - but I'm not changing.


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What Biden Means | 26 comments
why did you agree to go on fox news? nt. (4.00 / 5)


and why go on faux news to trash obama? will it make for more progressives in the future? (4.00 / 8)
or maybe to dispirit his base?

shit dude.

Can we all try and make our criticism useful to our goals please.



Change
"We must break up the banks and never again let them get so big that they distort our politics and take down the economy.


[ Parent ]
David ... (0.00 / 0)
I am curious about something .. given that Biden represents Delaware and all that comes with it .. would he have been able to vote against the Bankruptcy bill? .. the same could be said for Tim Johnson(and that matter Daschle) .. also .. were you holding out hope for Schweitzer(sp?)?

David, I'm a huge fan (4.00 / 7)
but I agree with the first folks commenting-----1) why the hell are you going on Fox News? 2) And why go on and play right into their frame of Democrats On the Defensive, Democrats Weak and Divided.

That Bankruptcy Bill Was A Horrible Bill! (4.00 / 1)
But, I've appeared at any number of bankruptcy hearings for a colleague who practices in that area, and I can tell you that it hasn't stopped people from declaring bankruptcy or prevented that many middle class people from seeking a discharge under Chapter VII.

Mostly it has driven up the expense and hassle, that's all.

The trustees aren't fond of the new bill and hopefully we can make a push in the next Congress to amend the law to relax the rules so that:

1. The presumption of fraud is removed from people who make more than the median income and
2. The court is allowed to revise mortgages to favor the debtors.
3. Eliminate the humiliating and mostly pointless debt counseling requirement. Most of the people I've seen were driven into bankruptcy because:

1. They or a spouse lost their jobs and they tried to hang on until they found more work and didn't make it, OR

2. A family member had a serious medical condition which their insurance didn't cover and they tried to pay for it with credit.

Those reforms are badly needed and are easily achievable if we put some real pressure on Democrats to act.

The credit industry won't like it, but they wouldn't really lose much money by it anyway.

I'm not convinced that the new rules have resulted in the credit card companies getting more money. I think this was just a stupid move on their part, driven by ideological hatred of debtors "getting away with it."

But, debtors who don't have the money don't pay anyway.  


[ Parent ]
So in the end, (0.00 / 0)
it could be that the "reform" will be the excess that makes real reform possible next time. No thanks to Biden, but I agree that it seems to have done only minor harm.

[ Parent ]
Um, shut up now (4.00 / 7)
You went on Fox News and trashed the Democratic VP pick?

You were there up against a Republican. Your job is to counter that spin. I don't give a shit what you think of Biden- you don't shill for the Right on national television.

Biden might have an ego but he doesn't go on Fox News to trash Democrats so he can sell some books and boost his career.


This is the way Fox does business (4.00 / 1)
they choose pundits who are sure to trash Dems. That way they can say that the presented both sides when they have only presented a side and a half

[ Parent ]
... (4.00 / 4)
the Bankruptcy Bill and Iraq War - gives us some disturbing clues about the Illinois senator's attitude toward the economic progressive movement and the antiwar movement.

No it doesn't.  

"Don't hate the media, become the media" -Jello Biafra

"No It Doesn't" (4.00 / 2)
     You make a compelling argument. But in the interest of a free and fair exchange, let me state the case for the opposite position:
    Yes. They do.

[ Parent ]
Oh yeah? (0.00 / 0)
Says who? (how many points does this earn me under formal debate rules?)

"Don't hate the media, become the media" -Jello Biafra

[ Parent ]
I don't begrudge you your criticism of Biden, but... (4.00 / 10)
I do take issue with your going on Faux Noise to express it. And echo right wing talking point that about Biden is 1) gaffe prown, 2) hardly a "change agent" being in

It's like crossing a picket during a strike in my opinion. Faux Noise is not a real news channel, and the left (and the netroots in particular) have spent a lot of time convincing Democrats to shun it.  When a progressive such as yourself goes on there to give analysis that mirrors the right wing talking points of the brand new VP nominee on a mouthpiece of the Republican party, it discredits us.

I'm disappointed.

PS. I do also disagree with your analysis, or at least emphasis. But's your choice of medium (interacted with what you say in that medium) that I find particularly problematic.  Indeed, I'm a long term reader of this site, but got an account to post this message because it bothered me that much.


VPs are not presidents. (4.00 / 5)
Biden was not my first choice on policy. In an ideal world I'd have wanted a real lefty. But that was never going to happen. It's too bad commenters keep forgetting that VPs are not presidents. Whatever Biden's policy shortcomings and past political misjudgements, his role in the Obama administration will be what Obama decides it will be. So let's just get over all the fussing about Biden's political stances, because he ain't running for president, OK?

I just listened to Obama and Biden's speeches in Springfield, and I've just moved from worried about the election to being ready to bet the farm on an Obama/Biden blowout in November. The chemistry is great and Biden suddenly clear as glass that Biden is precisely what Obama has needed.

It didn't seem obvious until it happened, but this is a team that absolutely exceeds the sum of its parts. Biden is already making the all-out attack on the Bush Disaster and McCain as Bush that we've all been screaming for, and he's doing it like a master surgeon removing a tumor. With Biden on the team, McCain's sole pitch -- Obama's "elitism" -- is finished. As Obama said a few minutes ago, "Now you're going to hear some REAL straight talk".

Now that it's happened this choice is so brilliant that I almost have to wonder if there was ever really a shortlist. If all along, Obama did what he felt he had to do -- not be the scary black guy, not be the Uppity Negro, and play it polite and mostly positive. He lets us stew and worry, tearing our hair out that he's not denouncing Bushism and the GOP legacy, he's not connecting McCain to Bush, he's not connecting Bush policy with the concerns of regular Americans. Then, just before the convention, he makes a new team and between them they're saying everything we've been screaming for.

Whether that was the plan all along or not, forget worrying about Biden's policy and voting. He's not running for president. Take a time out and celebrate: we're looking at a steamroller campaign and maybe even an Obama administration that achieves its potential for greatness. Right now, that's making me very happy.


VPs can become presidents (0.00 / 0)
The chances of Obama ceasing to live at some point between 2009 and January 2013 are small-ish but not insignificant.

The standards by which we evaluate the vice-presidential nominee should be basically the same as those we use for the presidential nominee.


[ Parent ]
Maybe they should, (0.00 / 0)
but they're not. VP selections have been consistently politics-based in my lifetime, at least, and probably forever. I don't think even the GOP wanted Quayle or Agnew, among others, to ever become president.

[ Parent ]
you suck (3.00 / 4)
going on fox news to trash democrats.

That's so...Lanny Davis.


FOX News (4.00 / 4)
David,

Count me as someone who appreciates all the great work you do for the progressive cause, but please don't legitimize FAUX News by appearing on their shows.  Having someone like yourself on air gives them license to claim that they are offering "fair and balanced" programming, when we all know it is anything but.  


"Change" always meant to me... (4.00 / 1)
...a Democratic administration instead of a Republican one. I think that is how the electorate sees it.  

What's insulting? (0.00 / 0)
Joe Biden said you can't go into a Dunkin Donuts or a 7-11 store without a slight Indian accent. Yeah, and so? What is insulting about noting how many Indian (and Pakistani and Bangladeshi) immigrants have found employment in these businesses? It's honest work by honest, hard-working people. And it's a fact of life that certain immigrant groups have often found success in certain niches in society. Indian Americans do seem to thrive in these franchised retail outlets. Well, good, more power to them. Let's not act like it is something to be hushed up because we are ashamed of it. My regards to Senator Biden for taking note of this cultural phenomenon. I wonder if Senator McSame has even been in a 7-11 or a Dunkin Donuts in the last decade or two to notice it.

Yes, let's nominate only purists! (4.00 / 2)
No one who can build consensus or has wide appeal or can actually get things done! Ideology must reign supreme!

Here is the funniest comment (4.00 / 3)
He is one of the most arrogant and conceited people in Washington - one of the jokes in D.C. when I was there is that Biden uses the term "I" more than anyone else.

I assume Sirota meant "present company excluded."

The reason he went on Fox is the reason he posts here: to hawk his book, or his column or his latest appearance on some show.

John McCain doesn't care about Vets.



Re: The Update (4.00 / 2)
I agree its good to have "full-throated progressives" on Fox News. I actually don't mind seeing liberals on Fox News so long as they do a good job. You didn't. I don't have a problem with you trashing Biden here and I wouldn't have a problem if you did it on another show with a different format (Say Bill Maher or the Daily Show). But in this case you were chosen TO BE A PARTISAN SHILL. Thats what it means when you're paired with a Republican. You're not there for David Sirota you're there to represent the Left. And Democrats who go on news networks in these formats have to play this game or we'll lose. And David, if you're not willing to do the job just don't go on. I understand that you don't want to act enthusiastic about a selection you don't like. But if thats the case you just DON'T GO ON TV. Its quite simple.


Exactly! (0.00 / 0)
That's what I tried to say in my comment at the other thread, too, but you did it here much more precise and to the point. Thx for pointing the major problem out to David, in such an eloquent way!

[ Parent ]
Don't be a douchebag, David. (2.00 / 2)
You don't know anything about politics, or you wouldn't think it was 'progressive' to trash your own side. Biden may exhibit some excessive regard for himself. He's been in the Senate for 35 years! Politicians don't aren't usually plagued by self-doubt.

But David, you are the most arrogant and conceited person in the blogoshere. And you have done nothing to justify your opinion of yourself. You go on Fox to whore your book - how many copies have you sold? - not to advance any progressive ideal. They like you, because they love to have lefties come on and trash the Democratic Party. You are a weak-ass early morning version of Alan Colmes.


David-- for someone who values framing (0.00 / 0)
Here's my take.

I think it was gutsy of Obama to choose a partner to win the WH.  He did not play it safe with Biden with all of the liabilities you mentioned on Faux News (and I hope this helps to enlighten the conversation more).  Obama said he wanted a partnership.  That is change.  Most Dem leaders want to be known for their ideas.  Ideas are not what win elections, and Obama finally got it.  He realized he cannot invoke change by himself.

Having said that, he, Biden, and many elected officials in the Democratic Party need to stand up and tell the Republicans that the American people favor most of our ideas.   And Biden just lended a hand of partnership to do it.  


Biden is not perfect but neither is Obama (0.00 / 0)
but Biden's language is what draws me. He is knowledgeable, intense,straight talking and an excellent communicator. I went to graduate school at the U of Del and Delaware is very very conservative, so, as a dem,  you don't get reelected there unless you have something special.

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