The DLC, Past and Present

by: Mike Lux

Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 09:32


Between the Markos/Harold Ford Meet the Press thing (hard to call it a debate when Ford was trying so hard to not debate about anything) and Glenn Smith's great post here, it's been hard not to think about the DLC this weekend. So I decided to finally write something about them.

I've been slow to do that for a number of different reasons, most of which relate to my insider-y-ness. I've always preferred focusing on positive ways we can build the progressive movement, rather than worrying about what the DLC is doing. And I much prefer beating up on Republicans than on Democrats, even Democrats I don't agree with. Although I line up on the opposite side of them on a great many issues, I have a more nuanced view of them than most netroots members. But Glenn's post and Ford's attack of anti-war Democrats and the anti-Semitic attack on Meet the Press stirred me to write something.

Mike Lux :: The DLC, Past and Present
Here are the reasons for my more nuanced feelings. The first is purely a reflection of my insider status, that I know a lot of the folks over there, and like a lot of them personally. Bruce Reed, for example, is as friendly and as decent a guy personally as anyone I know in D.C. Al From, when he's not reflexively attacking liberals, labor folks and peace people, can actually be an interesting person to talk to, and has some fun wonky qualities. But beyond personal considerations, I have appreciated a couple of things historically about the DLC: one is that they did champion some unconventional thinking that, in its day, in the late 1980s and early 1990s, did challenge some Democratic conventional wisdom in a positive way, and resulted in some good policy-making in the Clinton era. National Service, a big increase in the Earned Income Tax Credit, re-inventing government (which despite its reputation among progressives, was a really important thing: Gore really did shrink bureaucracy, reduce paperwork, open up government processes to citizens, and make the federal government programs easier to navigate), and 100,000 cops on the streets were all really good things in my view, and they probably wouldn't have happened without the DLC. They were the kind of new ideas that made middle-class swing voters in the 1990s more comfortable with the Democratic Party.

The other thing I appreciate is that Democratic politicians in many red and purple states sometimes need to be able to say they are moderates, and the DLC has given lots of politicians, including ones who were pretty progressive such as Al Gore and Tom Vilsack, the kind of moderate label they felt they needed to govern as progressives in those red/purple states. And, while I know some will disagree with this, at the end of the day, I don't give a damn what label a politician feels like they need to give themselves as long as they vote and govern on a mostly progressive agenda, especially if they're from a red or purple state.

If the DLC had positioned themselves as a centrist think tank that would take on the entrenched Democratic sacred cows and give Democratic politicians the centrist credentials they needed to win in tough states, I would still have disagreed with them much of the time, but would be fine with that contribution to the political dialogue. And if they were as conciliatory toward progressives as Ford was early in the Meet the Press discussion, before he went to the anti-Semitic bullshit, all the better. But the tragedy of the DLC, what has made them radioactive to the vast majority of the Democratic Party, is three things that are locked into their DNA:

First, it's the obsession with being "tough" on foreign policy at all costs. As David Sirota and others have written, there was a whole generation of tough-on-the-Commies Democrats who saw the McGovern campaign in 1972 as their ultimate vindication- if Democrats weren't "tough" enough on foreign policy, we would get beat like McGovern did. You see this philosophy in the Ford attack on Harry Reid.

Second, the intrinsic tendency, which they just won't walk away from, to trash progressives and most other Democrats time and time again since their founding in 1985. From and other DLC spokespeople have launched one verbal assault after another against labor, peace groups, and other progressive forces, as well as against mainstream and progressive Democratic politicians. They go out of their way to pick these fights. When Vilsack, who had governed as a progressive and had great ties to unions, was chair, he asked From to meet with union folks to work out at least some of their differences, but since Tom has left, I've seen no evidence of even that kind of outreach.

They can't seem to help themselves, even when they pick the right side of the issue. Classic story: Grover Norquist and his fellow right-wingers launched a massive assault at the heart of the labor movement with the so-called "paycheck protection" ballot initiative, a.k.a. Proposition 226, in California. Carefully drafted to sound like it was protecting union members from nasty union bureaucrats, it started out at the mid-70s in the polling, and it would take a huge coalition effort to beat it. I was at PFAW at the time, and we took a position against it, and I volunteered to help work on getting as many groups as possible to come out against it. I decided to go to Al From, because I figured that this initiative was far enough right-wing that Al would be against it, and getting a centrist group aligned with business to do a letter against it could be helpful in isolating this initiative as truly extreme. I also thought Al might see this as a good chance to build a bridge to the labor movement.

To my delight, he agreed to send a letter opposing Proposition 226. But when the letter came, I had to laugh. I don't have a copy still lying around to quote directly from it, but it started out saying that the DLC disagreed with labor on a great many things, and then proceeded to list them, going on for perhaps four paragraphs. Finally, at the end, the letter said that in spite of all the disagreements, they had concluded that Proposition 226 was not a good idea. It was like they couldn't bring themselves to just say that labor had a legitimate right to exist and organize its members politically, they had to write a letter that insulted labor even as they took their side on an issue.

Which brings me to my third point. Because they have never built a mass base for their style of centrism, their entire operation has, by its nature, relied almost entirely on corporate elites for its financial support. As a result, the DLC-style of centrism is a quintessentially big business-style of centrism. That's why their pollsters, principally Mark Penn, whose main clientele is also big business, are so determined to never find any evidence of populism among the electorate. In fact, many of their financial supporters are not Democrats at all.

Another quick story: I'm sure many of you remember, because I've blogged about it multiple times, my strong loyalty to my old friend Tom Vilsack, who chaired the DLC before Ford. Tom lives in a small Republican town in a very Republican county, and was the first Democratic governor elected in Iowa in over 30 years. Given that, he always wanted to be seen as a moderate, even though he governed as a progressive, and given that he was a small-state governor who never paid attention to the reputations of the various groups, when he was approached to chair the DLC, he thought that having moderate credentials wasn't a bad thing. So he agreed to do it. I still wish he hadn't, but I understand why he did it from his perspective.

Anyway, as a result of being friends with Tom, I occasionally traveled around with him in 2006 when he was DLC chair, so I went to some DLC events that year. Some of them were classically wonky events about local infrastructure and small business issues where some decent ideas surfaced. (If these were the kind of events the DLC really focused on, I would like them a lot more.) But the fundraisers were funny (at least to me), because so many Republicans showed up for them. I was with him at one in California where we were chatting with a DLC donor who said that they thought Schwarzenegger was a great governor. Tom laughed, thinking he was kidding, and the guy said, "No, I'm serious." And a couple of other people in the circle jumped in to say they liked Schwarzenegger, too. I thought Tom was going to have a stroke. He replied, "If you think Schwarzenegger is a great governor, you clearly have no idea what a good governor is capable of. You should get out more."

If the DLC's centrism was more based in the real concerns you actually find in swing voters in purple states about the progressive agenda, in their sense that too much government spending was wasted, in their fears that liberal coastal elites don't share the same values about religion and family and being tough on terrorists that they do, I could respect that centrism more, because as I've written, I do believe that we need some Midwestern and Western working class voters to win national elections. The problems are real for Democratic politicians, but the big business centrism espoused by the DLC doesn't play with those swing state, swing voters at all. There just aren't that many swing voters in Ohio worried about how health insurance, drug or oil companies are being unfairly beat up by Democratic candidates. This corporate-centered centrism, steeped in the culture of caution on every major issue that I wrote about a couple of days ago, has little connection to anything other than the financial base of the DLC.

I think the DLC is in a defensive crouch that they may never get out of. On the one hand, as they always have been, they are afraid of Republicans every time they call Democrats soft of terror, soft on defense or when they say we are class warriors. But I also think, as Ford's opening indicates, that they are realizing that they have lost the battle over the soul of the Democratic Party, and that their only hope for influence is if they can seem like they are reaching out to us. If they were sincere in that effort, I would be glad to work with them on issues where we can agree. But when they say they want to reach out, and then attack Harry Reid as playing into the terrorists' hands, or attack DailyKos for its "anti-Semitic" comments, it's hard to take them seriously.

I'd be interested in knowing what the OpenLeft.com community thinks about this analysis, and whether you agree.


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Unfortunately (4.00 / 5)
Not everyone who says he comes in friendship actually does so.

I take a very pragmatic look at this:  allies are people who empower progressives.  Trolls are people whose attacks lead not to progressive strength but to the weakening of coalitions, and they attack their "allies" more than they ever focus to attack the real enemies of a populist, progressive agenda. 

Verbal tricks like the one you highlight, whereby Ford tried to position himself as an ally and then launched fact free character slanders, are usually a giveaway.  Trolls don't really care about truth.

So, by their fruits ye shall know them.

The blogosphere has been a breath of fresh air to the movement because, historically, people did not come online with pre-established social status.  Status developed as people made and won good arguments on the merits.

Trolls like Ford or Lieberman cannot exist well in that world without making character smears or launching lies and distortions because they cannot win arguments on the merits.  They just can't.

Now that more people are entering or interacting with the blogosphere, they're finding it difficult to engage because their offline status as Mr. or Ms. Highly Regarded Person don't automatically transfer over, and their arguments turn out to be very weak. 

Some people see this as a problem with the progressive blogosphere, but to my way of thinking, it just about the best thing we have going for us.  If people like Ford can't accede to reality and deal with truthful arguments, then the y need to be ejected from any standing in the debate.

Unpleasant, but true.


Perspective (4.00 / 3)
I really enjoy the perspective you bring to this site, Mike. So thanks.

If your point here is that a centrist-Dem organization that -didn't- reflexively undermine anyone to the left of them would be a strong and helpful ally, I completely agree. I think we have those people, too: it's just that, in the absence of that 'reflexive undermining', they're not identified as centrists. Far as the Big Corporate Media's concerned, a centrist Dem is defined as someone who attacks the left at least as vocally as she or he criticizes the right. If someone fails to undermine 'the left', then he or she is by definition not a centrist.

And for some reason, this struck me: "... you clearly have no idea what a good governor is capable of."

That seems to really identify the problem.


The Problem With Versailles (4.00 / 2)
Here are the reasons for my more nuanced feelings. The first is purely a reflection of my insider status, that I know a lot of the folks over there, and like a lot of them personally.

This is a major problem with our country.  We have a ruling class structure centered in DC, where people care more about the folks they know than they do about the problems facing the country.

It's quite natural, of course.  It doesn't really matter who those people are.  They could be the best people in the world. It's a sociological phenomena, not a question of individual failings, so I'm not attacking you for it, Mike.  I'm just taking the opportunity to note that it's so, and to add this corollary: unless insiders are mad at us--not all of them, necessarily, but a goodly portion, at least--we're just not doing our jobs.

This strength of personal ties BS is why we still have Bush as president a couple of years after the Downing Street Memo surfaced.  Certain things just aren't talked about in polite company, much less reported in the papers.  And God knows, those friendships are certainly more important than the folks in New Orleans.  The Iraqis?  Fuhgedaboudit!

And thus, another corollary: The DLC is the Devil.  When you say:

the big business centrism espoused by the DLC doesn't play with those swing state, swing voters at all. There just aren't that many swing voters in Ohio worried about how health insurance, drug or oil companies are being unfairly beat up by Democratic candidates.

that is the understatement of the year.  Populist progressives like me--a California secular Jew whose mother worked tirelessly on Helen Gahagan Douglas's 1950 Senate campaign against Richard Nixon--have so much more in common with those voters that it's just not funny.

If anything, we ought to consider starting our own "moderate Democrat" organization to attack the DLC as savagely as the DLC attacks the rest of the Democratic Party.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


Moderates (0.00 / 0)
I think this statement is indicative of a potential problem moving forward...

If anything, we ought to consider starting our own "moderate Democrat" organization to attack the DLC as savagely as the DLC attacks the rest of the Democratic Party.

On the one hand, I agree with you. My issue with the DLC isn't so much that they're not what I would consider progressive, but that they're a top-down, corporate cash-driven machine of Insider DC. So wouldn't it be great to see a legitimate, people-powered movement rise up to take on the DLC, speaking up for moderates in the Democratic Party.

But then the problem becomes what we do when we disagree with them. Because we will. They may think that Iran can only be dealt with militarily. They won't be for marriage equality. They may not be civil libertarians who believe that FISA is a good system. They may very well be anti-choice. They may not have a problem with torturing suspected terrorists.

Can we as progressives ultimately get along with this crowd, or will we become adversaries? In other words, instead of Ford debating Markos on Meet The Press about the future of the Democratic Party, will it wind up being Jim Moderate debating Markos about the exact same thing? And is 'Democratic centrism' something that can even be organized around on a grassroots level? I just don't know.


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Yes, Well You Have To Read What I Wrote More Carefully (0.00 / 0)
If anything, we ought to consider starting our own "moderate Democrat" organization to attack the DLC as savagely as the DLC attacks the rest of the Democratic Party.

Where did I write anything about it actually advocating for anything in the policy realm?

It was, after all, intended as snark.

I guess this falls into the "be careful what you joke about" category.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Heh (0.00 / 0)
Funny that I hear something about savagely attacking the DLC and I'm totally on board and don't question the snark factor at all. I guess that makes me something of a bad D.

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Heck, The Savage Attack Was For Real (0.00 / 0)
The snark, well, that was partly because I don't think much of the DLC's "policy work," all I really see them doing is attacking other Dems (giving them the benefit of the doubt there with the use of "other") and partly because I don't see the point of pouring activist energy into doing the grassroots moderates' work for them.

The bottom line is that I don't think moderate Democrats would disagree with progressives all that much. Economic populism would be shared.  They might not be with us on gay marriage, but I doubt they'd put much organizational energy into it.  And as for Iran, I think the "fool me once shame on you..." factor would put them solidly on our side as well.

But, after all, it's up to them to create their own damn organization, know what I mean?

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Relationships (4.00 / 1)
The relationships thing Paul discusses is tricky. Obviously, part of the progressive movement's job is to aggressively attack the clubby elite bullshit that dominates DC politics these days. Creating a people powered politics is the best alternative. But anyone with power, including the movement as it builds more, is going to operate in part on relationships with other folks who have power. And there's nothing wrong with that, unless there's something fundamentally wrong with human nature. We just have to figure out a model for building a movement that accepts that reality and figures out how to best deal with it.

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This Is A Problem, But It's Not Human Nature (0.00 / 0)
Humans evolved in small bands.  The first examples of anything remotely approaching large-scale hierarchical social structures only began showing up around 8-10,000 years ago, according to the archeological record.

So the problem we face is not with human nature, per se, it's with the fit between human naturre and human cultural evolution.  It's my premise that we're still very early on in the learning curve about how to reconcile the two.  As a species, we've only just come to recognize it as a problem within the last 100 years.

The irony is that the problem arises precisely because we have a good deal of flexibility built in, that allows us to function in such a different social surround than the one we evolved in.  Yet those who argue it's "human nature" to live in such hierarchies are effectively arguing that we lack the floxibility to redesign systems to make them more congruent with our evolved preferences.

Wierd.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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You misunderstood me. (0.00 / 0)
I wasn't saying that it's human nature to live in hierarchies. I was saying that it is human nature to form lasting relationships, and that if you live and operate in circles of power that some of those relationships will be other people with power. I don't think there is anything wrong with that. It's part of a movement's job to keep it's leaders tethered to the grassroots, but there is nothing wrong with progressive leaders also forming long term relationships with other power brokers. 

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My Turn! (0.00 / 0)
No, You misunderstand me!

I was responding to this:

But anyone with power, including the movement as it builds more, is going to operate in part on relationships with other folks who have power. And there's nothing wrong with that, unless there's something fundamentally wrong with human nature.

What I'm saying is that the something wrong is the social structure, which is basically anti-egalitarian, and a mis-match to how people evolved to function best--which is with relatively flat and flexible hierarchies (more like the jazz world than the classical music scene).  That is, the problem is not with friendship, it's with the whole "other people with power" thing.

The natural (i.e. within evolutionary niche) function of friendship is more often across hierarchical boundaries rather than reinforcing them.  But in the hierarchical societies like our own, the opposite is quite often true, and what you were talking about is just one example of that.

It's interesting to observe how this is often reflected on TV shows (in movies not so much), where friendships generally consolidate status.  The wonderful, but short-lived ABC show last season, Six Degrees was a notable exception, but even it had clear limits at the bottom end.  Far more common are the peer-friendship shows from Seinfeld to Friends to Buffy, The Vampire Slayer.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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But what if you win? (0.00 / 0)
It's not feasible to maintain a permanent-outsider status if you actually succeed at "crashing the gates."  Take, say, Darcy Burner, the congressional candidate from suburban Seattle who came for a weekend discussion on Firedoglake, invited by Howie Klein and Jane Hamsher. She's getting early netroots donations to help jumpstart her campaign. If she wins, she'll remember the Firedoglake crew, and the pile of $10 donations, as much as an old-school DLC-supported candidate would remember the corporate contributions and the folks the candidate met at the $x,000 per head fundraiser.

I think the only way you succeed at keeping permanent outsider status is if you keep losing. That's a level of purity not worth having.

The problem with the insideriness of the MSM is that they value access over truth. They'd rather get invited to parties than to call a powerful politician on a lie. Bloggers need to stay on the side of truth, even if they've met the person lying at YearlyKos.  The challenge, when you win, is to use that increased insider status to hold the elected officials accountable. When McNerney votes against medical marijuana, or when Webb votes for the FISA bill (shudder), give them hell.

The problem with the insideriness of the DLC and the democratic consultant class is that they pull out the ladder behind them, hobnob only with fellow elites, and become deaf to the real world, like the DC folk who haven't realized that the vast majority of the American public wants out of Iraq ASAP. The challenge, when you win, is to keep the ladder down and to keep the conversation going. 

Bloggers who become successful, and earn a seat at the mass media table because of that success, like Kos and the Firedoglake crew, will retain credibility to the extent that the communities stay open, and new voices continue to rise to prominence.  Markos is more trustworthy because he keeps deferring the mantle of pundit and keeps describing himself as a person who started a website with hundreds of thousands of participants who make it go.


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Thanks for writing this (0.00 / 0)
I have not been a lifelong politically savvy person. I've tried to keep up, but it wasn't until 2000 that I grew my political whiskers. When we invaded Iraq, I immersed myself in politics and media and have been underwater ever since. Knowing a little about your background, I think it really helps the progressive liberal movement to see you speaking out on the DLC.

I never understood the negative connotations and denotations of words like populist and liberal and unions and civil rights. To my mind, these are all synonyms for democratic processes. They are representative of the heart and soul of democracy.

The DLC, to my understanding, was an attempt to adjust to the "reality" of conservative money and conservative policy. It did so by appealing to the interests of business. It was run by and funded by business. In choosing this path, the DLC was able to raise a lot of money for "centrist" Democrats, but it also began to conform to a model of liberal politics that we now call neoliberal. The DLC/DNC relationship came to a peak during the 2004 presidential election and began its decline with Kerry's loss.

Am I wrong? If so, please correct me.

As far as I'm concerned, the DLC no longer has a leg to stand on where the Democratic party is concerned. The last six years have demonstrated, as nothing else could, the global reality of US centrist and/or right-of-center politics.

Look what DLC-type centrism has cost us as a nation. They are thoroughly discredited. The Democratic leadership should not waste a single second waiting on the DLC to "come around" to a new way of thinking.

The DLC either needs to get with the program to pull this country back from the brink of its own self-immolation, or get out of the way.


Thanks for the immediacy of your description (4.00 / 2)
Looks like this is a "follow the money" situation.
But the fundraisers were funny (at least to me), because so many Republicans showed up for them.
The money guys know it is useful to buy friends on both sides of the "fence."

Can it happen here?

It's More Than That (4.00 / 3)
The money is actually buying the fence and relocating it to fence out the entire base of the Democratic Party.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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Centrist, Moderate or Corporate? (4.00 / 2)
This corporate-centered centrism, steeped in the culture of caution on every major issue that I wrote about a couple of days ago, has little connection to anything other than the financial base of the DLC.


This is the heart of it right here.  The DLC isn't "centrist" or "moderate".  They're corporate.  The DLC has always felt like Corporate America's ideal Democratic party, and is waaaaay out of touch with the actual voters that it's trying to persuade.  Who thinks being aggresively pro-business is going to help us win a state with a strong populist history like Ohio?  The DLC's donorbase *is* the DLC.

I would welcome a polcy-oriented moderate Democratic organization, especially one that didn't feel compelled to throw us under the bus at every available opportunity, and I don't think we're ever going to get that from the DLC.  They're too dependent on their donors, many of whom don't seem to be Democrats.  If they had an actual membership it might be possible to change things, but they don't seem terribly interested in doing anything aside from advancing the interests of their donors.

As a side note: I think their obsession with looking "tough" on foreign policy might be part of a larger problem with the foreign policy establishment, but that's probably a discussion better left to its own post. 

Great post, Mike.  This summed up my feelings about them very well.


Exactly! (0.00 / 0)
The term "moderate" does not fit the DLC at all, imo. I'd say the DLC represents a pretty radical break with the roots of the Democratic Party: selling out the interests of workers, consumers, minorities, and Americans in general to the corporations that Dems used to stand up against, all in the name of winning elections. The reason most Americans don't trust Dems is that they feel that they've lost touch, not so much with their values, as much as with their struggles. If Dems would stand up and fight for the rights of the many, over the privileges of the few, than we wouldn't have a problem. But they don't, and we do.

Also- if there are so many "moderate Democrats" sitting around waiting for a DLC-type Democrat, than why don't they have a real membership base?

I'd also say that the "look tough" thing is pretty laughable, since most people can see right through someone who is "acting" tough. What Americans want is someone who IS tough, who is willing to stand and fight for the things that they say they believe in (and who doesn't believe in keeping our nation secure?), and who doesn't back down when a bully steps to them. I'm a firm believer in the "bitch-slap" theory of Politics, and silly little prep-school boys, like the clowns known as the DLC, just come off looking like little panzies who are afraid of those big, mean, scary Republican thugs. Grow some friggin grapes!


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The DLC's real mission (4.00 / 3)
I see this just as you do, and share your sense of, I don't know, professional friendships that marked my own history with the DLC types. My professional life in politics through 2002 was full of, in some sense depended upon, them. They had the money, they controlled the agenda. If I was going to earn money pre-2002, I had to play their game.

Not that I didn't challenge it, loudly and frequently, from inside. But what slowly dawned in me was the realization that their vision of the future of America was so starkley different from mine that it was time they sacrificed to my/our vision of a progressive America. There was such a profound asymmetry to the relationship -- "We like you Glenn, now here's what we're gonna do."

This was reflected in the post-Meet the Press Comments from the DLC. We love you netroots people for your energy, now please let us adults take charge of the message because we know what's right. They do know what's Right, but not what's moral.

I don't think there's a more important perspective than yours, Mike. Because we have to do more than label or demonize the DLC types. We have to understand who they are from people who know them. We have to overcome them politically, because they really are there to protect certain special interests from the progressive/populist goals we share in this movement.


It's all money, now. (0.00 / 0)
This is a paraphrase, can't find the quotation, of a comment by Sen. Everett Dirksen (R-IL) from the early 60s.
If you can't eat their food, drink their booze, [screw] their women, take their money and then go out on the floor and vote AGAINST them, then you've got no business in politics.

And, I think he said this in a discussion that included Pres. L. Johnson, who concurred and added a vulgar comment about the screwers and the screwees.

The DLC serves a purpose, and "serves" is the operative term.  If corporate masters want to give money to both sides of the aisles, let them; and set up a surrogate group to take the money.  However, don't give the surrogate any real power.  Just take the money, attempt to get it spent on stuff that generically helps the Democratic Party and ignore the group that gets and spends the dollars.

Just as Gov. Vilsack worked that side of the street for a time, let Mr. Ford do the hooker gig and be the professional shill for the DLC sideshow--as in "show me the money." 


DLC (0.00 / 0)
Stick a fork in them, they're done. They don't matter any more. No one listens to them. Ignore Them!

Trashing (4.00 / 1)
...the intrinsic tendency, which they just won't walk away from, to trash progressives and most other Democrats time and time again since their founding in 1985

In this, the DLC is simply an extension of the people within the Democratic party who worked to hobble the McGovern campaign and throw the election to Nixon. From and Marshall are simply the behind-the-curve contrmporaries of Bill Kristol, Richard Perle, and most of the rest of the neocon bloc who worked for Scoop Jackson during the 1972 Democratic primary campaign. Is it any wonder they trash progressives? They've been doing it for 35 years.

Those who have had a chance for four years and could not produce peace should not be given another chance. --Richard Nixon, 9 October 1968


Between the NeoCons and the LaRouchites: (0.00 / 0)
The DLC in Texas has specialized in promoting minorities within the Democratic Party who would support the NeoCon defense budget, the AFL-CIA, and whatever the DSCC/DCCC was going after on K-Street in the way of deregulation and privatization.

The GOP is more than willing to cut them "safe seats" in their Gerrymandering schemes.

Al FROM comes to HOUSTON about once a year, hooks up with whoever Tom NEUMAN and AIPAC/JINSA points him to, and tells us how Democrats will win elections if and only if we support the traditional agenda of Northern and Southern Whigs. That works only as long as the Jim Crow Election Code minimizes political participation.

As a genuine moderate, in many respects a conservative Democrat of distinctly Confederate lineage, I find myself aligned more with Michael LIND and the New America Foundation. I do not know what would bring old-line segregationist Democrats from Mississippi together with sometime labor agitators who sold out to JEdgar.

And, I surely understand why my sometime McGOVERN colleague Bill CLINTON would embrace the DLC after being trashed in a few elections.

Still, the idiosyncracy and opportunism of the DLC is deeply offensive to me. I wish this damned thing would just go away. They are a real obstacle to progressive populism because, at the end of the day, they just want to bring back John STENNIS and restore the primacy of white Democrats in Mississippi. But, Trent LOTT and Haley BARBOUR already did that.

::JRBehrman

 

::JRBehrman


Vilsac (0.00 / 0)
...given that he was a small-state governor who never paid attention to the reputations of the various groups, when he was approached to chair the DLC, he thought that having moderate credentials wasn't a bad thing. So he agreed to do it.

Are you honestly saying that the two-term Governor of Iowa, who has played a decisive role in national politics, was actually unaware of the nature of the DLC, and thought it would basically sound nice on his resume?

I'm not saying this is impossible, but it is kind of incredible. It true, it certainly speaks to the systemic problem within our political establishment of how our representatives and leaders get their information.

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Tom and the DLC (4.00 / 1)
Having lived in NE and IA for over 30 years, this is actually more real in my experience than you think. Small state politicians, even Govs, who have never served in congress or lived in DC, just aren't connected to, and frankly don't care much about, which national group espouses what exact issue agenda, and which of them gets along with which other groups. Tom made about 3 trips to DC a year, usually on National or Democratic Gov Assn business, and because the DLC has zero grassroots presence in the states, he had no particular feeling about them. He did know that they and labor had tangled, and he told From he would only take the job if From would call a truce with labor and reach out to them in a friendly way. He understood that they had an image as "moderate", but as I discussed did not think of that as a negative. I think he believed that if someone with his stands on issues, and his good relationships with progressive groups in IA, would be their chair, that he might be able to play a role in building bridges in the party. I think he underestimated the DLC's entrenchment and hostility to the broader progressive movement, but because he's my friend and I've known him a long time, I am confident that was sincere. 

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I Just Find It Wierd (0.00 / 0)
That a state governor would know so much less about national politics than I do.

I mean, I understand how it's a perverse badge of honor not to know Austria from Australia, but national politics....

Not to mention the total lack of due diligence involved.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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I agree (0.00 / 0)
I too find this kind of astounding; while I can appreciate that state governors have a lot of things on their mind, it's still weird to me.

Hopefully a more transparent and better-networked Democratic Party and political Left in general can help do away with this kind of thing.

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State level (0.00 / 0)
It's not so weird that Tom Vilsack did not know DC politics coming in.  He would know the players in Iowa.  The state legislature, the union officials, organized groups with an Iowa presence.  The most obvious link to the DLC on a general level was to the Bill Clinton-Al Gore era.  The problem is that Al From and Marshall Wittman really have little to do with the accomplishments and certainly the on-going dreams of the "practical" Democratic establishment.

I can rip off some names of Democratic governors like Brad Henry or Dave Freudenthal who are considered conservative Democrats but I'm not from Oklahoma or Wyoming.  I don't know what pressures within the state effect them and where they really stand on non-state issues.  Vilsack assumed that the DLC wasmore like the Clinton-Gore types from 1990 than the slash and burn media hack jobs that they have too frequently become.

So why didn't he check?  Maybe to establishment types the sort of google searches or other research I'd do routinely just aren't Tom Vilsack's way of doing business.  There is a real benefit of being an outsider:  one doesn't get blown away by personal ties, personal history, yet one is close enough to have some direct idea odf what's going on.

It's really a trivial comparison but Bill James was writing some twenty years ago about similar things within baseball.  He knew Mickey Rivers stories (without, of course, knowing Mickey Rivers).  He knew a level of detail about the man's daily performances that was more than he could possibly know about players from another era.  The craziest, least justifiable choices for the Baseball Hall of Fame came not from general daily knowledge (the writer's ballots) but from personal relationships (the Veteran's Committee). Oddly, one really bad pick was Jim Bunning who politicked like crazy for the honor.  That little tidbit of ego and self-grastification was enough to tell me that Bunning would be a lousy legislator (it's all about me, statistics are just something to be warped for personal benefit).

From the outside, I know the difference between Bert Blyleven and Fergie Jenkins.  From the outside, I know the difference between Jon Tester and Max Baucus.  Tom Vilsack was working more off the networky sort of things.  Jenkins, at his peak, was a consistent twenty game winner.  He's in the Hall.  Blyleven, at his peak, was a consistent winner in the teens who had an uncanny ability to lose well-pitched games (by giving up key hits down the stretch).  I can't tell you much about the families or the real personal quirks, etc. of any of these indidviduals but I'd take Tester or Jenkins in the clutch over Baucus or Blyleven.  And I'd take baucus (as a Senator) or Blyleven (as a pitcher) over Jim Bunning any day.


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I Knew Who The DLC Was In the Late 1980s (0.00 / 0)
No Google needed.

And when the LA Times started running folks from the "Progressive Policy Institute" in its "Column Left," I was one of those who wrote angry letters to the editor.  (No special knowlege needed there, even though I had some.  The columns themselves were typical DLC left-bashing affairs.)

You can yammer on all you want, I just think this shows an appalling degree of ignorance for someone who is governor of a state.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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You are right, but ... (0.00 / 0)
The normal newspaper coverage is often tone deaf when it comes to ideology and voting records.  I live in New Jersey.  The Newark Star Ledger makes it abundantly clear that Congressman Rob Andrews is a messemger boy for the Norcross machine in Camden.  Can't miss it.  What the Star Ledger does not report is that Andrews is the most conservative vote among NJ Democrats in the House and/or Senate.  What they only hint at is that the Norcross Machine at the state legislative level is a right wing drag on any Democratic governor.  It is all played out on a basis of personalities or at most "good" guy, "bad" guy.

The only NJ Democrat at the federal level who is portrayed as a liberal or progressive in the papers is Rush Holt.  Liberals like Don Payne or Bob Menendez are portrayed, if at all, in terms of ethnicity (maybe the papers assume blacks and hispanics are liberal).  Duh.


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On the DLC (0.00 / 0)
Thanks for the great post Mike. Keep it up. I'd like to say something about what the DLC has done and why the DLC are not moderates. First on there accomplishments.

I agree with you when you point out some of the DLC's accomplishments. AmeriCorps, Earned Income Tax Credit, better government, and to some extent the COPS program are all good things, though I wouldn't give the DLC quite as much credit on getting them past. However the buck pretty much stops there. I agree with them on better government for sure and like many of there proposals about that. But that's about the only thing I agree with them all the time.

Mostly because they are not moderates. There are a lot of moderate Democrats but the DLC represents the K Street/Wall Street Corporate Democrats not the moderate Democrats. I would even argue the Center for American Progress is a moderate think tank in todays world. The DLC is a K Street/Wall Street Democrat organization.

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Vilsack Naivete - misses the point (0.00 / 0)
I know Tom V personally (a little) and politically (pretty well).  I considered him a good Governor and a guy I would have no problem voting for national or federal office.  But I do not think he was clueless as to what the DLC stood for.  I think he is a calculating politico and wanted the "moderate" Democrat credential.  Politicos should be calculating.  But the good ones retain the ability to throw calculations to the wind at certain times -- its called leadership and judgement - the two most impt qualities in an elected official.

But let not missed the point of Mike's posting -- or at least what I thought was a  point.  That people who have another position are not necessarily bad.  Most positions are shaped by exp and people different experiences. 

Moreover,  we in the Netroots and/or liberals need to make friends w/ less liberal Dems and even  across the aisle if it means "getting things done" that further the progressive agenda. At the end of the day govt has to work for it to be a positive force.

Don't abandon the DLC.  Show them the way. 


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