Has The Worm Turned? Versailles Starts To Flip Over POW Card. Daou's Triangle Closing?

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 14:00










Howard Fineman:

"I think they are going to it way too many times. It's the original story that defined John McCain....  But now it not only defines him, it's become a crutch in the campaign. And I think he is in danger of trivializing it. By the time they get to the convention in St. Paul, there might not be much of it left to use."


Ana Marie Cox:

The McCain campaign's constant invocation of the candidate's POW past is weird bordering on irrational.... It's a head-spinning non sequitur...


Ben Smith

The POW card

.... It does seem like they're flirting with Giuliani/9/11 territory here, in which at subject that seems utterly immune to humor, used as a first resort, suddenly becomes a running joke among your political enemies and your late night comic friends.

Et tu MoDo:

So it's hard to believe that John McCain is now in danger of exceeding his credit limit on the equivalent of an American Express black card. His campaign is cheapening his greatest strength - and making a mockery of his already dubious claim that he's reticent to talk about his P.O.W. experience - by flashing the P.O.W. card to rebut any criticism, no matter how unrelated.

Of course, Keith Olberman has his hand in as well.  But it's clearly gone much farther than Keith alone.  It really does seem that Versailles is finally noticing how absurd this has become.  And that could very well spell the end of McCain's presidential hopes.  After all, what else does he have left?

Extended dance mix on the flip...

Paul Rosenberg :: Has The Worm Turned? Versailles Starts To Flip Over POW Card. Daou's Triangle Closing?
Clips Extended Remix

First, an expanded look at the clips from above, to get the full flavor, and a sense of what they point to.

Howard Fineman was on Countdown, just one part of Olberman's coverage this week, when he said:

"I think they are going to it way too many times. It's the original story that defined John McCain, that still when you read it in his book 'Faith of my Fathers,' when you read about it in 'The Nightingale's Song,' you can't help but have admiration and respect for the guy. And I think he wisely for many years stayed away from it as a political tool, he really did. But now it not only defines him, it's become a crutch in the campaign. And I think he is in danger of trivializing it. By the time they get to the convention in St. Paul, there might not be much of it left to use."

This is a good representation of where Versailles seems to be heading--still respectful of McCain's service and his ordeal (no talk about how he served Hanoi's propaganda agenda, that's still off-limits), but just on the verge of saying it directly that, yes, crazy old uncle Larry really is crazy.

And at Swampland, Ana Marie Cox puzzles:

In His House There are Many Mansions

The McCain campaign's constant invocation of the candidate's POW past is weird bordering on irrational: yesterday, Nicolle Wallace used it as evidence that McCain didn't "cheat" at Saddleback. By a VERY generous interpretation, she could have meant that POWs don't cheat. Or that once you've been a POW, you've been through so much you're above cheating. Or maybe you can't accuse a POW of cheating unless you're a POW.

Today, spokesman Brian Rogers took the same tack against the "housing crisis" they currently face: "This is a guy who lived in one house for five and a half years -- in prison." So is he arguing that we shouldn't begrudge McCain his multiple house because he once lived in an awful prison? Is he saying POWs deserve multiple houses (and you thought Obama was pro-nanny-state!)? Or maybe he's saying that McCain's several houses are really just prisons... of the soul. Man is entombed by his possessions, it's true.

It's a head-spinning non sequitur...

before returning safely to the fold:

...designed to distract us from something mildly troubling with the assertion of something impressive. As if, say, the Obama campaign countered criticisms of his resume by pointing out that he's black.

Oh, wait...

But the damage is already done.

At The Politico, Ben Smith's headline says as much as his "story":

The POW card

Eric Kleefeld notices that McCain aides referred back to McCain's time as a prisoner of war in Vietnam in defending him from the mockery over his houses.

This is a guy who lived in one house for five and a half years -- in prison," says spokesman Rogers.

It does seem like they're flirting with Giuliani/9/11 territory here, in which at subject that seems utterly immune to humor, used as a first resort, suddenly becomes a running joke among your political enemies and your late night comic friends.

And the fact that MoDo has said anything at all is almost the kiss of death:

His brutal hiatus in the Hanoi Hilton is one of the most stirring narratives ever told on the presidential trail - a trail full of heroic war stories. It created an enormous credit line of good will with the American people. It also allowed McCain, the errant son of the admiral who was the commander of U.S. forces in the Pacific during Vietnam - his jailers dubbed McCain the "Crown Prince" - to give himself some credit.....

So it's hard to believe that John McCain is now in danger of exceeding his credit limit on the equivalent of an American Express black card. His campaign is cheapening his greatest strength - and making a mockery of his already dubious claim that he's reticent to talk about his P.O.W. experience - by flashing the P.O.W. card to rebut any criticism, no matter how unrelated. The captivity is already amply displayed in posters and TV advertisements.

These clips indicate a sea-change of sorts--though only the beginnings of one.  There are still powerful elements of the old narrative landscape seascape in place.  The statements generally carry more of a "look what's about to happen" perspective, rather than "look what's already happened" one, despite all the examples cited.  And McCain's service is honored once again--the old obligations are still in place.  But the WTF questioning is right out there, front and center, and that toothpaste is going to be mighty hard to get back into the tube.

Collectively, all the above seems to fully vindicate at least one key aspect of what I take to have been Obama's inside game with Versailles and McCain these past few months, a game perhaps more akin to "give 'em enough rope" than to "rope-a-dope".  

Either way, by absorbing so many blows from McCain with a rather passive response, Obama has lost ground nationally, to the point of having almost no lead in national polls, and no longer holding a clear EV majority, but if McCain has finally lost his free pass with Versailles, then that should just about do it for him.  Because without that free pass, he's just "A Dangerously Hot-Headed Celebrity POW Who Can't Remember How Many Houses He Owns", which means Clinton/Dole territory for him, at best.

Closing Daou's Triangle

As I noted in a comment to Matt's diary, "The Netroots Created the Housing Gaffe", the synergy between Brave New Films and bloggers, pushing the McCain hosuing story into the traditional media, was an example of something larger:

The Bigger Picture--Slowly, Slowly, Closing Daou's Triangle

The situation that Peter Daou described is starting to shift, and this is the cutting edge of what that shift looks like.  We still have light-years, not miles to go, but it's a very significant breakthrough, and the synergy of blogs, YouTube, and producers like Brave New Films is leading the way.

But they're hardly alone.  The fact that Glenn Greenwald, for exmple, is now doing web radio interviews is indicative of how the online blogger and media world are expanding and creating new synergetic possibilities.  Synergy, intentionality and timing are all key here.  And the triangle is slowly starting to close.

To refresh our memories, and see how far we've come, here's a key passage from Peter's original essay at the Internet Archive (no longer available at Salon, at least not readily):

The Triangle

Looking at the political landscape, one proposition seems unambiguous: blog power on both the right and left is a function of the relationship of the netroots to the media and the political establishment. Forming a triangle of blogs, media, and the political establishment is an essential step in creating the kind of sea change we've seen in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.

Simply put, without the participation of the media and the political establishment, the netroots alone cannot generate the critical mass necessary to alter or create conventional wisdom. This is partly a factor of audience size, but it's also a matter, frankly, of trust and legitimacy. Despite the astronomical growth of the netroots (see Bowers and Stoller for hard numbers), and the slow and steady encroachment of bloggers on the hallowed turf of Washington's opinion-makers, it is still the Russerts and Broders and Gergens and Finemans, the WSJ, WaPo and NYT editorial pages, the cable nets, Stewart and Letterman and Leno, and senior elected officials, who play a pivotal role in shaping people's political views. That is not to say that blogs can't be the first to draw attention to an issue, as they often do, but the half-life of an online buzz can be measured in days and weeks, and even when a story has enough netroots momentum to float around for months, it will have little effect on the wider public discourse without the other sides of the triangle in place. Witness the Plame case, an obsession of left-leaning bloggers long before the media and the political establishment got on board and turned it into a political liability for Rove and Bush.

This is what's starting to change, particularly with a combination of different communication forms and practices, as web video--YouTube, Brave New Films, TPM's weekday videos, Bloggingheads, etc.--online reporting (particularly, surprisingly, The Politico), web audio and cable are interacting in ways that are dramatically more powerful and influential on the tradtional media than anything seen in previous election cycles.

This is why flipping the POW card--even though it's only just begun, and is far from a done deal--is such a significant event.  It builds on the McCain "housing gaffe" and takes it to the next level, taking it to a direct attack on McCain's brand as the only POW in the world.

This is the shape of an emerging potential counter-hegemonic infrastructure--because that, in essence, is what closing Daou's triangle is all about--counter-hegemonic infrastructure at the news-cycle level that keep things going over much longer stretches of time.  And if Obama is smart, he will join right in on this process--"big time," as America's #2 war criminal would say.

Heck, if Paris Hilton can get with it, why the heck shouldn't he?


Angel: "Looks like it's just you and me, Fred. - Well, the worm certainly has turned."

Fred, giggling: "Y-y-yeah. The worm's turning and... (Stops smiling) Am I the worm?"

    --"Carpe Noctem", Angel, Episode # 48

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McCain has the vigor and mental acuity of a Bob Dole... (4.00 / 8)
The National security judgement of a Barry Goldwater
The Foreign Policy depth of a George Bush
and the temperament of a Mike Tyson.

The idea of that in the White House should frighten anyone.

John McCain.  Wrong for America.


You overestimate McCain (4.00 / 1)
The idea that George W. Bush can potentially be followed by someone who is clearly less intelligent is what should frighten people.  The McSame refrain gives Insane McCain too much credit.

Things You Don't Talk About in Polite Company: Religion, Politics, the Occasional Intersection of Both

[ Parent ]
This post is an outrage (4.00 / 8)
For five years, John McCain couldn't tell anyone this story. He spent more than 2000 days not knowing when he would next be able to talk about his POW experience. To suggest that John McCain could ever talk about his POW experience too much trivializes that experience, and constitutes and attack on his character and his patriotism.

Shame on you, Paul Rosenberg. Shame. On. You.

I support John McCain because children are too healthy anyway.


Since Paul rec'd this .. (4.00 / 2)
I have to believe this is snark

[ Parent ]
That's a good use of deductive reasoning. (4.00 / 3)


I support John McCain because children are too healthy anyway.

[ Parent ]
or is the 4.0 rating snark? (4.00 / 2)
:-)

sTiVo's rule: Just because YOU "wouldn't put it past 'em" doesn't prove that THEY did it.

[ Parent ]
It's a snark! (4.00 / 1)
Everybody get out of the water!

I support John McCain because children are too healthy anyway.

[ Parent ]
Beware Of Boojums! (4.00 / 1)
You have been warned!

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

[ Parent ]
Wow using the POW card to excuse using the POW card (0.00 / 0)
that's really brilliant, you mind if I borrow this theme to make a McCain spoof ad for youtube?

John McCain.  Wrong for America.

[ Parent ]
Intellectual property doesn't apply to snark (4.00 / 3)
The internet is a snark commons. Borrow away.

I support John McCain because children are too healthy anyway.

[ Parent ]
There are 58,253 names on The Wall (4.00 / 2)
Anyone of whom would trade places with McCain.

Senator McCain's constant reference to his time as a POW has become completely obnoxious. It is bad enough when he talks about it or makes references to it himself; it is even worse when members of his campaign staff use it because you have to wonder if he even knows they're doing it. He is allowed to wear his decorations, his staff is not.
What I find particularly disingenuous is the fact that his use of his experience as a constant excuse or shield belittles the sacrifices of all of the other service members who also fought in Viet Nam. With him, it is all about him. Has anyone heard him talk about the rest of the military? Maybe he forgot the rest of us and he believes he was there by himself.

During the last few days I saw a quote on these boards that I am going to co-opt. (I am sorry, but I don't remember the name of the person who posted it.)

"A veteran is someone who, at one point in his/her life, wrote a blank check made payable to The USA for an amount of "up to and including my life." - unknown

There are very many of us that wrote that check. McCain is just one of the group. His blank check was cashed as a POW. There are many others who paid a great deal more.


[ Parent ]
please, lets be fair (4.00 / 3)
sen mccain has a no limit credit card and i believe he got confused and thought he had no limit on using his pow experience in explaining away some of his senior moments all of us will have if we are fortunate enough to reach his advanced age, now that seems fair to me how about you?

Revisiting an old version of this. (4.00 / 5)
Back in 2000 during the South Carolina Republican Primary, Rove and Bush brought the POW issue up, dusting off McCain a bit with the matter.  As I remember it, it was brought up in one of the debates led by Larry King -- or perhaps it had been seeded, and King raised it during the debate, but the essence of it was that McCain had been treated for mental instability after returning from his POW years in Vietnam, and the Bush people wanted McCain to release his mental health records with respect to this.  McCain had flashes of anger around the question, and for a few days this was a point of discussion on the news.  

Perhaps it is time to resurface this historical item only as a matter of "history" -- making the case in fact that it was the Rove/Bush machine that initially brought the issue to the South Carolina Republican voters.  I suspect it would make it easier for more in the media to take a good look at it all.  


During the Republican National Convention Week, Of Course! (4.00 / 1)
Perfect!  I just loooooove history!

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

[ Parent ]
Republican Convention Week (4.00 / 1)
Rove's minions were able to get away with attacking John Kerry's service by enlisting other swiftboat veterans to deliver the message. Any serious attempt at disarming the POW card needs to be delivered by other POWs. The Republican convention week would be a great time to run a web ad with several former POWs complaining about McCain's crappy economic policies that favor the rich and screw everybody else, and then call him out for hiding behind his POW status to evade honest debate.

miasmo.com

[ Parent ]
You mean the guys running his campaign? (4.00 / 2)
I think the best way to bring this up is to point out that the very people who played the "mental instability" card are now running his campaign. This would do double duty - pointing out once again that he will do anything to win, including hiring the scum bags who smeared him and his family - and bringing up the mental instability issue.

But this is kind of a sleazy tactic. I think it should be done from the perspective of saying, "We Democrats respect the service of our soldiers. Now McCain is hiring advisors who have a history of disrespecting McCain's own service for political gain."

miasmo.com


[ Parent ]
Maybe I missed it... (0.00 / 0)
but why do you keep referring to Versailles for (I'm assuming) the MSM or Beltway media?  I'm assuming it has something to do with a metaphoric comparison between the Palace of Versailles and the French Revolution but a little clarity would be nice.

Reminds me of Family Guy (0.00 / 0)
Where Lois runs for mayor?

"What about taxes?"

"9-11"

Education

9-11.


"After all, what else does he have left?" (4.00 / 1)
He's a white, married, (presumably) straight, christian man.
get ready for the house of Othering, most notably on race.

Sure, But.... (4.00 / 1)
They've already been doing that, pretty much 24/7 for the last 6-8 weeks, and they've still come up short, while undermining their Versailles cred.

Yes, they can up their intensity/crudity level, but that only means more defections among the dwindling ranks of GOP moderates--and, more importantly, the independents.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


[ Parent ]
yeah i agree (0.00 / 0)
but it's still sad if that's what happens.

Americans get to choose between a corporate-friendly Black person and a campaign that's going to be running against him arguing that he's a celebrity, the anti-christ, or an evil Black man / secret Muslim coming to get you?  

Sad.

:(


[ Parent ]
it's simpler and sadder than that (4.00 / 1)
Obama is getting better press because the corporations are starting to think that he, not McCain, would take better care of them.

Obama has made his career by discreetly placating the powerful interests whose favor is necessary to his advancement. Now, on the national level, he is doing the same, doing his best to convince the powers that be that he's not a serious threat to business as usual, that he'll provide cover for their profitable little intrigues if they let him become president. That's why he caved on FISA and offshore drilling.

And the Beltway establishment and the corporations are listening to what he has to say.

You can see the gears turning:

The defense industry is thinking: "He's going to pull some troops out of Iraq, and he won't go into Iran, at least not at the moment. But he won't pull all the troops out of Iraq, and he'll double down on Afghanistan. And he does promise to increase the size of the army. So maybe he won't be so bad for business."

Wall Street is thinking: "He'll raise our taxes more than McCain, and that's bad. But McCain and the Republicans are too reckless, and if he attacks Iran, the markets will collapse. So we'll try to make friends with this Obama guy and try to see if we can't take out some of the sting."

Coal and nuclear are thinking: "We've got a pretty solid shot at getting a lot of business under an "alternative energy" program that promotes coal-to-liquid and extensive development of nuclear."

In the last two elections, Bush was clearly the candidate favored by the corporations. In this election, neither Obama nor McCain started out as the clear favorite. Obama did a better job of convincing them that he would take care of them, and they're starting to come around.

That's why the corporate-controlled media is picking up on McCain's seven houses, why even Maureen Dowd is starting to question the McCain POW meme.

McCain will try to swiftboat Obama, but he'll only hear crickets from the media. They're not going to be his echo chamber as they were for Bush. They might even start being actively skeptical of him.

It's both good news, because it means we're going to win, and bad news, because it means the entrenched interests are starting to think that Obama will play their game. And every indication is that he will.


Gonna be a stuck record on this (4.00 / 4)
In the current balance of forces, nobody gets to be President who does not placate the powers that are.

Obama will be as good a President as we the people make him be.  

Can it happen here?


[ Parent ]
In Other News, General Franco Is Still Dead... (4.00 / 1)
like the horse you rode in on.

janinsanfran states the obvious.

Open Secrets, anyone?


"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


[ Parent ]
you appear to have missed my point (0.00 / 0)
I was arguing against the thesis of your essay.

The media's sudden turnaround on McCain hasn't got shit to do with some sudden ability of the left--some "counter-hegemonic infrastructure"--to influence the mainstream media. It's the simple fact that the media knows which side its bread will be buttered on and is acting accordingly.

You can slap yourself on the back all you wish over your supposed ability to make such corporate media stalwarts as Maureen Dowd and Andrea Mitchell sing a different tune. But it's the height of delusion to assert that it's because of your huffing and puffing that McCain's house(s) are being blown down.

Obama is doing better because he fits into the whole Beltway/media world so much better than McCain ever could. He's young, handsome, and biracial. He's got an inspiring Horatio Alger story. He naturally spouts the conventional Beltway wisdom as if it were some kind of revelation from the Lord Almighty. He makes Bill Clinton look like an amateur on open mic night.

Just take a typical Obamaism--"We can't just tell people what they want to hear, we need to tell people what they need to hear!"

That is meta-pandering--pandering by telling people you're not going to pander to them. It's so vacuous you can't even call it a lie, because it doesn't contain any assertion whose truth could possibly be challenged.

Can you imagine trying to rebut that? "Um, no Senator Obama, I think we need to lie and bullshit the rubes into voting for us, so I'm gonna have to disagree with you on that."

What the fuck can some doddering, angry old man have that can possibly stand up to that?

So he spent five years as a prisoner of the Vietnamese? So fucking what? If he can't turn that into a ten-second soundbite that'll play well on Oprah, it doesn't mean jack shit.

The media doesn't like reality. It likes theater. Reality is an actual disadvantage with these people. And Obama has got McCain beat in the theatricality department, hands down.

In this political climate, whoever can eat the most shit and look like they genuinely enjoy it wins. That's why Hillary lost--because although she was just as willing to pander to the lowest common denominator, she didn't look quite as good doing it.

McCain's going to lose for the same reason. Issues have nothing to do with it. Nor does any "counter-hegemonic infrastructure."


[ Parent ]
you appear to have missed my point (4.00 / 2)
I was studiously ignoring you, and your bottomless defeatism.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

[ Parent ]
Printing? (4.00 / 2)
Has anyone made a large scale printing of this card?  It really wouldn't cost much to run a few thousand on card stock -- I bet it could be done at Kinkos.

I suggest we start a fund here and at dKos.  I bet we can have this all over Denver tomorrow if anyone in town wants to take this up.



Good Idea, Mark! (0.00 / 0)
A few hundred bucks would be enough to saturate the media, at least.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

[ Parent ]
I printed off a big one (4.00 / 1)

 It's now prominently displayed on the wall at our local Dem headquarters. The volunteers in the office were rolling on the floor when I showed it to them.

 I could use a few hundred cards, though. If there's a place to get them someone please post so.  

"We judge ourselves by our ideals; others by their actions. It is a great convenience." -- Howard Zinn


[ Parent ]
From Big Lebowski: McCain / Walter Sobchak '08 (4.00 / 1)
The Dude: God damn you Walter! You fuckin' asshole! Everything's a fuckin' travesty with you, man! And what was all that shit about Vietnam? What the FUCK, has anything got to do with Vietnam? What the fuck are you talking about?

...

Walter Sobchak: Those rich fucks! This whole fucking thing... I did not watch my buddies die face down in the muck so that this fucking strumpet...

The Dude: I don't see any connection to Vietnam, Walter.

Walter Sobchak: Well, there isn't a literal connection, Dude.

The Dude: Walter, face it, there isn't any connection.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt01...


Why do we keep talking about 17th century france? (0.00 / 0)


Michael Bloomberg, prince of corporate welfare

If John McCain is elected president (4.00 / 2)
Bastille Day will be a new national holiday...

I support John McCain because children are too healthy anyway.

[ Parent ]
Because That's Where We Seem To Be Stuck... (4.00 / 1)
although there's also that little snag with the Magna Charta back in 1215.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

[ Parent ]
Paul, forget Peter Daou's triangle (4.00 / 1)
It's a totally fallacious concept. Because his premise is confined to "blogs, media, and the political establishment" he totally ignores the most important influence on the media which is advertisers. In our economic system the primary purpose of media is to attract a specific audience for advertisers. Blogs have very little leverage on that, and the political establishment is not reliant on the same set of corporate players. As long as Fox News -- and any other outlet for that matter -- can market its audience of older, well-to-do, country club, business oriented viewers to advertisers who want to sell to these people, it will continue to develop content that appeals to this audience regardless of what's going on in blogs and the political establishment.  

Gosh, Capitalism? How Could I Forget? (0.00 / 0)
Maybe because everyone who's ever seriously discussed this takes that into account as part of the equation, either consciously or unconsciously?

And maybe because advertisers often have competing interests that create openings in the seemingly unified fronts that terminal pessimists love to groan and despair over?

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


[ Parent ]
"terminal pessimist" (0.00 / 0)
Not at all. I'm just suggesting that bloggers need to consider a fourth element of the media-message dynamic: attracting a marketable audience. Look at Comedy Central's Daly Show and Colbert Report for a great example of where a more liberal message finds a very marketable audience that advertisers are interested in. BTW, I've read Peter Daou's many explications of his triangle and the word "advertiser" does not appear in any of them.

[ Parent ]
You actually think... (0.00 / 0)
As long as Fox News -- and any other outlet for that matter -- can market its audience of older, well-to-do, country club, business oriented viewers to advertisers who want to sell to these people, it will continue to develop content that appeals to this audience regardless of what's going on in blogs and the political establishment.

Fox's target demo is the "well-to-do, country club" set?

Try "trailer park".


[ Parent ]
Do you actually know any conservatives? (0.00 / 0)
Say what you want about Rupert Murdoch's political or business philosophy, but he didn't become a multi-billionaire by learning how to attract an audience of trailer trash.  

[ Parent ]
Without the POW trump card (0.00 / 0)
McCain is reduced to a noun and a verb.

Ask Rudy G. how long a candidate can last after they take away your only trump card.

"noun, verb, mavrick" doesn't quite cut it.

"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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