Presidential Forecast, 8/28: Breathing A Bit Easier

by: Chris Bowers

Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 12:25


Electoral College: Obama 260, McCain 206, Toss-up 72 (270 to win)
National popular vote: Obama 46.5%-44.9% McCain


(Dark Blue (183): Obama +7.6% or more
Lean Blue (77): Obama +2.6%-+7.5%
White / Toss-up (72): Obama +2.5% to McCain +2.5%
Lean Red (44): McCain +2.6%-+7.5%
Dark Red (162): McCain +7.6% or more
)

New polls from California, Colorado, Florida (2), Nevada, New Mexico, Pennsylvania and Rhode Island.  The only category change is Missouri moving from "Lean McCain" to "Solid McCain." Here is the swing state chart:

Swing State Overview (270 to win, 269 to tie)
(Swing States are defined as states closer than 5.0%)
State EV's Obama % McCain % Margin Obama Total
Obama Base 260 260
Colorado 9 45.4% 43.9% +1.5% 269
Virginia 13 45.4% 45.0% +0.4% 282
Montana 3 47.0% 47.0% Even 285
Ohio 20 42.8% 42.8% Even 305
Nevada 5 43.6% 44.0% -0.4% 310
Alaska 3 43.5% 44.0% -0.5% 313
New Hampshire 4 43.7% 44.3% -0.6% 317
North Carolina 15 43.5% 45.7% -2.2% 332
Florida 27 43.2% 45.9% -2.7% 359
North Dakota 3 42.0% 45.0% -3.0% 362
South Dakota 3 40.0% 44.0% -4.0% 365
McCain Base 173 173

I am feeling a bit more relaxed today, primarily because the trend is now moving in favor of Obama. Still, if I were the Obama campaign, I would consider pulling paid media from Georgia, Indiana, and Missouri. Unless Obama receives a decent convention bump, which seems unlikely given its current tepid size, and since the Republican convention will immediately follow the Democratic convention, those states have pretty much moved out of reach. An argument could be made that spending there stretches McCain thin, but a counter argument could be made that shoring up Minnesota and Oregon is more worthwhile (and switching to South Dakota might also make sense). Perhaps better to board up your backdoor, especially given that Colorado and Virginia already present you with two backdoors into your opponent's house. (For the purposes of this analogy, winning either Florida or Ohio is considered the "front door.") Do we really need four, five or even six paths to victory? the current swing state chart suffices quite nicely, if you ask me.

Some might object, and say that pulling out of any state is a violation of the principles of the fifty-state strategy. However, the fifty-state strategy does not mandate equal spending in all states all the time. Instead, it means spending in all states at least some of the time, a greater emphasis on field than on paid media, and more decentralized control over the expenditure of funds raised by the DNC. The Obama campaign has staff everywhere, but is focusing mainly on the 18 states where it is running paid media. There isn't anything wrong with that. You try to play everywhere, but toward the end you tailor your resources to where they can make the most difference. Obama gave a national campaign a darn good shot, but now it is time to target most narrowly.

State by state details in the extended entry.

Chris Bowers :: Presidential Forecast, 8/28: Breathing A Bit Easier
Solid Obama: 183 Electoral Votes
State EV's Obama % McCain % Margin # Polls
California 55 51.0% 40.0% +11.0% 2
Connecticut 7 53.0% 40.0% +13.0% 1
Delaware 3 50.0% 41.0% +9.0% 1
D.C. 3 -- -- +80.0% 0
Hawaii 4 61.0% 31.0% +30.0% 1
Illinois 21 55.0% 40.0% +15.0% 1
Maine-AL* 2 53.0% 39.0% +14.0% 1
Maine-01* 1 -- -- +17.2% 0
Maine-02* 1 -- -- +10.8% 0
Maryland 10 53.0% 43.0% +10.0% 1
Massachusetts 12 50.5% 38.0% +12.5% 2
New Jersey 15 51.5% 41.5% +10.0% 2
New York 31 53.0% 37.0% +16.0% 3
Rhode Island 4 51.0% 30.0% +21.0% 1
Vermont 3 63.0% 29.0% +34.0% 1
Washington 11 50.7% 40.3% +10.4% 3

Lean Obama: 77 Electoral Votes
State EV's Obama % McCain % Margin # Polls
Iowa 7 49.5% 43.5% +6.0% 2
Michigan 17 46.0% 40.5% +5.5% 4
Minnesota 10 48.0% 42.7% +5.3% 3
New Mexico 5 47.0% 41.5% +5.5% 4
Oregon 7 50.0% 43.5% +6.5% 2
Pennsylvania 21 47.2% 41.5% +5.7% 6
Wisconsin 10 47.3% 41.3% +6.0% 3

Toss-up: 72 Electoral Votes
State EV's Obama % McCain % Margin # Polls
Alaska 3 43.5% 44.0% -0.5% 2
Colorado 9 45.4% 43.9% +1.5% 8
Montana 3 47.0% 47.0% Even 1
Nevada 5 43.6% 44.0% -0.4% 4
New Hampshire 4 43.7% 44.3% -0.6% 3
North Carolina 15 43.5% 45.7% -2.2% 6
Ohio 20 42.8% 42.8% Even 5
Virginia 13 45.4% 45.0% +0.4% 5

Lean McCain: 44 Electoral Votes
State EV's Obama % McCain % Margin # Polls
Florida 27 43.2% 45.9% -2.7% 10
Indiana 11 43.5% 49.5% -6.0% 2
North Dakota 3 42.0% 45.0% -3.0% 1
South Dakota 3 40.0% 44.0% -4.0% 1

Solid McCain: 162 Electoral Votes
State EV's Obama % McCain % Margin # Polls
Alabama 9 36.0% 52.5% -16.5% 2
Arizona 10 37.3% 49.0% -11.7% 4
Arkansas 6 39.0% 52.0% -13.0% 1
Georgia 15 44.0% 53.0% -9.0% 1
Idaho 4 37.0% 53.0% -16.0% 1
Kansas 6 38.0% 56.5% -18.5% 2
Kentucky 8 36.0% 55.5% -19.5% 2
Louisiana 9 39.0% 57.0% -18.0% 1
Mississippi 6 43.0% 56.0% -13.0% 1
Missouri 11 42.0% 50.0% -8.0% 2
Nebraska-AL** 2 36.0% 55.0% -19.0% 1
Nebraska-01** 1 -- -- -13.0% 0
Nebraska-02** 1 -- -- -8.0% 0
Nebraska-03** 1 -- -- -37.0% 0
Oklahoma 7 24.0% 56.0% -32.0% 1
South Carolina 8 40.0% 53.0% -13.0% 1
Tennessee 11 35.5% 55.5% -20.0% 2
Texas 34 44.0% 54.0% -10.0% 1
Utah 5 23.0% 62.0% -39.0% 1
West Virginia 5 37.0% 45.0% -8.0% 1
Wyoming 3 25.0% 62.0% -37.0% 1

* Maine's four electoral votes are awarded as follows: two for the statewide winner, and one for the winner of each congressional district. ME-01 is about 3.5% more Democratic than the state as a whole, while ME-02 is about 3.5% less Democratic than the state as a whole.

** Nebraska's five electoral votes are awarded as follows: two for the statewide winner, and one for the winner of each congressional district. NE-01 is about 6.0% more Democratic than the state as a whole, NE-02 is about 11.0% more Democratic than the state as a whole, and NE-03 is about 18.0% less Democratic than the state as a whole.

Methodology
The forecast is updated whenever there are enough new polls to warrant an update. The methodology for the forecast is simple and straightforward.

  1. For each state, all polls conducted entirely or partially within the last 30 days are included in the averages. There are two exceptions to this rule.
  2. The first exception are states where no polls were conducted entirely or partially in the last 30 days. Every state has at least one poll.
  3. The second exception comes with polling firms that have conducted more than one poll in a state over the last thirty days. Every polling firm only has one poll per average.
  4. No polling firm discrimination whatsoever. Polls are never excluded because the organization has a bad or partisan reputation.

As we move closer to the election and more data becomes available, the time frames for polls included in the averages will decrease.  


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Obama opens office in Lee's Summit, Missouri (4.00 / 2)
from the KC Star:

"Of all places" because Lee's Summit is like Olathe -- a haven for Republicans, and organizers say that Democrats can't recall a time when a Demo presidential campaign opened an office there.

http://primebuzz.kcstar.com/?q...

I don't think they really expect to win in MO, but they're certainly making an effort.  


Maybe they see something in their own polls there that we don't (4.00 / 3)
in terms of huge voter turnout increases in St. Louis and Kansas City. So they think they can still follow the McCaskill strategy of limiting losses in rural areas and they'll win because they expect to get 100,000 more votes than Kerry did in urban MO.

[ Parent ]
Too soon to abandon MO (4.00 / 1)
They've got Claire McCaskill and a good state ticket.  Obama is going to make a play for rural areas (to reduce McCain's margin of victory) to keep such states in play. Economics will keep MO and IN close, probably within reach.  I'd keep trying in IN and MO, maybe not GA.

John McCain--He's not who you think he is.

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I agree (4.00 / 2)
GA ain't gonna happen this year. And Atlanta is a pretty expensive market. I also think MN, WI, and OR are pretty safe as it is. So I'd like to see them put more resources in OH, VA, CO, NV, and NH. OH, VA, and CO especially are big population states, so you can always use more boots on the ground in more areas.

Also, I'll be glad when that Zogby internet outlier poll for NH drops out and Obama goes back to showing a lead there again. Zogby is the only pollster to show a McCain lead there since freaking April!


GA Sen (4.00 / 2)
In Georgia Jim Martin is within single digits of Senator Chambliss in recent polls. If Obama invests heavily in Georgia, the increase in Democratic turnout might be a strong enough tide to lift Martin into the Senate. It's a long shot to be sure but a chance worth taking imo (of course I live in Georgia so I'm a bit biased).

[ Parent ]
well I agree to a certain extent (0.00 / 0)
but I also think that should be the main job of the DSCC. Are they doing anything down there?

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Exactly (0.00 / 0)
The DSCC has to get Jim Martin's back. Pouring on a bunch of Barack Obama ads isn't going to stop Saxby Chambliss from using his gigantic campaign warchest to define Jim. It's up to the DSCC to spend money to help show that Jim Martin as he really is: steady, thoughtful, and fair.

[ Parent ]
Already paying for 20 counties in GA (4.00 / 1)
The tier of counties along GA's border with FL are already getting TV ads from Jacksonville and Tallahassee. We are getting those "free" if we stay in FL. So deduct that from the cost of Atlanta media.

Meanwhile, the fact the Obama is contesting Georgia is inspiring to Democrats like me in the other former Confederate States. We are sick of being ignored, or treated like an ATM by national Democrats. The greater contributions from Southern Democrats so inspired may well pay for any added cost of the Georgia campaign. Quitting, on the other hand, is so demoralizing.

BTW Is there any evidence of a shortage of money, paid media or ground staff and offices in more closely competitive states? I'd hate for us to quit the fight in some potentially winnable states just because some folks get nervous over not much of nuttin two months before the election.


[ Parent ]
We could use some more offices (0.00 / 0)
here in NC. And Ohio has 11 million people. So yes, I think they could find some more places that need more field people.

[ Parent ]
I think the question (0.00 / 0)
was whether those things you mention aren't happening for lack of funds or lack of will.

John McCain opposes the GI Bill.

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Popular mandate? (4.00 / 6)
I think part of the reason for the push deep into the red states may be to pad out the numbers for the popular vote so they can claim a popular landslide and consequently stronger political footing.

Lots of other reasons, as well - like how it helps down-ticket - but I think the bottom line is that the Obama campaign really is pushing for every possible route to victory to limit the potential for one or two states to screw everything up a la Ohio and Florida in 2000 and 2008.  In the worst case scenarios, it's extra insurance against corruption and voter suppression, and in the best it creates an unassailable popular mandate.

This is all stuff that's been talked about a great deal here, but it seems like they've got the cash and volunteers to spread themselves out on a massive scale without having to sacrifice too much in terms of their ability to support.


look at what states are swing states, Chris (4.00 / 2)
When the swing states consist of the likes of Colorado, Virginia, Montana, North Carolina, the Dakotas, and Alaska, then the Democrat has a great chance at winning a large electoral victory. The fight is over states with a long history of going Republican. McCain is playing defense deep into red territory.  

Because everybody loves a loser! (4.00 / 2)
Retreat! Retreat! Because everybody loves a loser. And so what if the retreat abandons Jim Martin, our Senate candidate against Shameless Saxby Chambliss in GA. It's more important to run five more commercials on Dayton TV. That super-saturation of paid media worked so well in '04, after all. And pull out of Missouri, too. Abandon our House candidates in two (2) competitive seats, one an open seat, sure, those opportunities come along all the time. And Indiana. Give up on Indiana. Like we always do. It's so different from Ohio and Michigan and Illinois there's no hope is even making it vote like other Midwestern states. And nevermind that we have a Democrat running for Governor there, or a House race in Fort Wayne heating up. Or that a Senate seat is coming open in 2012 when Richard Lugar will be 80 years old. Nah, no need for party building in Indiana. Retreat!

Retreat! Retreat! Remember how we loved hearing about it when the Kerry campaign announced that it was pulling out of Missouri, giving up on Virginia, taking down his ads in West Virginia. Yeah, we all felt inspired to keep up the good retreat. And that turned out so well.

Uh, Chris, get some sleep. You must be having too much fun in Denver.


It's not just about TV ads (0.00 / 0)
It's about where do you put your field resources too.

I do agree about IN guv though. We need to win that or else we're likely to lose 2 or three Democratic house seats in 2010 with redistricting.

But it really is about resource allocation. Who has a better chance of winning in November, Jim Martin or Kay Hagan? Who would benefit from additional resources. Is it better to at some point put more resources into an area that will get you to 50.1% or do you stay in two places at once and wind up with both at 49.9% and zero wins.

Obama has done more to build the party than any other candidate since probably Harry Truman and FDR. But at some point you do have make the tough decisions so you can make sure you win in November.  


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I Think You Have To Be Thinking Synergistically (4.00 / 2)
And in terms of party-building.  If Obama's going to win, but not be able to govern effectively, he's not going to really enjoy the next 4 years.  Sure, winning is a pre-requisite, but if he's confident that he's going to win it any way--which he well may be--then pulling back to make his win more secure might not make much sense.

It's not just the greater chance of winning a Senate seat, say, in Georgia, but also the greater threat of Republicans who are relected, or are running in 2010, losing their seats if they are too obstructionist.  A strong campaign presence that stays till the end sends a stronger message than one that folds with the post-Labor Day season just opening up.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


Well I agree (4.00 / 1)
But in the end you do have to win. I'm not saying pull back in lots of states or even the three or four states Chris mentioned (and I know you're addressing Chris here) but I think you do have to evaluate states that really are working out and states that aren't at this point. They've already pulled out of SC and MS which I think was wise. That extra office that was opened up in CO or NC or VA or OH because of it is probably going to get you closer to victory.

Like I said, Obama has already done more to build the party than any candidate since probably Truman and FDR. So in this final stretch if he has to pull back in one or two states to make sure we make it over the finish line, then I won't fault him for that.


[ Parent ]
too early to consider (0.00 / 0)
cutting loses in swing states like IN and MO.

i don't have clue what he expects out of the south but i am excited to find out.  


i think (4.00 / 1)
staying with the fifty state strategy is looking long term, staying loyal to those down the ticket will reap many benefits in the future and show others that obama is reliable especially if that particular state isn't in play in the general.  

Building party loyalty (0.00 / 0)
That's a great point, actually, and one I hadn't really considered as much.  Even if he loses those states, Democratic candidates who win in states Obama lost will most certainly have benefitted from Obama's cash and GOTV operation and necessarily make them align themselves with him more closely.

So it's coattails not just in terms of numbers but also in influence.  Would definitely be interesting to see what happens with a strong Democratic with a solid governing majority.  We can always hope ...


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Progress is inevitable! (0.00 / 0)
Still, if I were the Obama campaign, I would consider pulling paid media from Georgia, Indiana, and Missouri. Unless Obama receives a decent convention bump, which seems unlikely given its current tepid size  and size, and since the Republican convention will immediately follow the Democratic convention, those states have pretty much moved out of reach. An argument could be made that spending there stretches McCain thin, but a counter argument could be made that shoring up Minnesota and Oregon is more worthwhile (and switching to South Dakota might also make sense).

[snip happens]

Some might object, and say that pulling out of any state is a violation of the principles of the fifty-state strategy. However, the fifty-state strategy does not mandate equal spending in all states all the time. Instead, it means spending in all states at least some of the time, a greater emphasis on field than on paid media, and more decentralized control over the expenditure of funds raised by the DNC.

If that's how you define "50-state strategy", and you (i.e., Obama) have the excess time and energy to indulge in it,  that's fine with me: someone who has always considered the "50-state" idea a dangerous one, as expressed by Howard Dean in his pickup truck/confederate flag speech. It's dangerous because (a) it is fairly guaranteed to be fruitless and hence a waste of time and energy and, (b) its effect is to pull the platform towards the center/right in order to win over this constituency and disillusion the one that actually got you elected (see: House 2006).

I can be accused of underestimating or insulting the South, but I hope I will also be proved wrong with data and analysis that goes beyond that. The thing that 50-st[r]ategists miss is that we do appeal to the South with a straightforward left platform, even if the appeal is not direct and to their basest instinct. That is because we are ultimately morally and logically right, and that tends to get perceived (over time) when it is strongly voiced. I am willing to read your definition as such a 50-state strategy, which neither ignores nor panders the creationists (to use an analogy), but keeps alive a communication channel that sows our ideas in their consciousness.


Shouldn't Missouri Be At +7? (0.00 / 0)
The numbers for Missouri do not look correct to me.  I arrived at Missouri 49.7 M to 42.7 O, for an overall lead of McCain +7, not 8 points.  Under your methodology, there were three polls in Missouri in the 30 days prior to this post:

                       McCain         Obama
PPP                    50                40
Rasmusssen      50                44
SurveyUSA         49                44
Average             49.7             42.7

It appears based on your numbers that you dropped the SurveyUSA poll, which was conducted partially within the  30 days prior to 8/28 and should have been included in the average based on your methodology.  

The most recent poll was the PPP poll was conducted 8/13-17.  This poll is fairly old at this point and was conducted at what may be seen as a high point for McCain at a some future point in time.  Although I agree Missouri has always been an outside chance for Obama, he would be basing a decision to withdraw from the state based on polling that began on 8/13.   The data comes from a period too early in the cycle to conclude that Obama should give up on a state that has been traditionally considered a swing state.  He should wait until the dust settles from the convention to make a decision on whether to narrow his focus.      

Saxby Chambliss, worse than disgraceful; he's reprehensible.  


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