Obama Explores New Ways To Differentiate Himself From Clinton

by: Chris Bowers

Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 11:31


This is not entirely new language from Obama, and as an attack it is actually kind of tame (at least ocmpared to "Bush-Cheney light"). However, it is new that he is using it to overtly differentiate himself from Hillary Clinton:

"I think it is fair to say that I believe I can bring the country together more effectively than she can," Obama said. "I will add, by the way, that is not entirely a problem of her making. Some of those battles in the '90s that she went through were the result of some pretty unfair attacks on the Clintons. But that history exists, and so, yes, I believe I can bring the country together in a way she cannot do. If I didn't believe that, I wouldn't be running."(…)

"Her argument is going to be that 'I'm the experienced Washington hand,' and my argument is going to be that we need to change the ways of Washington," he said. "That's going to be a good choice for the American people."

Saying that Bill Clinton's presidency was good for America, he added: "The question is, moving forward, looking towards the future, is it sufficient just to change political parties, or do we need a more fundamental change in how business is done in Washington . . .? Do we need to break out of some of the ideological battles that we fought during the '90s that were really extensions of battles we fought since the '60s?"

Obama never used the term "polarizing" to describe Clinton but made it clear he has studied polls that show that many people have an unfavorable opinion of her. "I don't think there is anybody in this race who's able to bring new people into the process and break out of some of the ideological gridlock that we have as effectively as I can," he said.

There is quite a bit to unpack here.

  • First, there is a reference to Clinton's high unfavorables, which is basically an electability argument. (Update: some have argued that this is not an electability argument, but instead an argument about passing legislation once elected. That is possible--Chris) I think we all knew this would be used against Clinton from one campaign or another, probably either Obama or Edwards, at some point. Electability has almost always played a major role in virtually all Democratic primary campaigns for some time, even though I certainly haven't seen much of it floating around so far in 2008 (except as a "coattails" argument). What is perhaps most interesting about Obama's "attack" is how he tries to soft-pedal and tip-toe around the issue with several qualifiers, including the notion that Clinton's higher unfavorables are the result of unfair attacks from the right.  I wonder how much of this is fear of angering the base for attacking Clinton, worries that the last attack on Clinton did not go well for the Obama campaign, and trying to stay on his campaign message of "a different type of politics." It is probably a combination of all three.

  • Second, there is a strange "meta" moment where Obama repeats the media and campaign narratives so far. This is part of a growing trend where candidates, especially Democratic candidates, want to be media pundits, for some reason. (I think Biden and McCain are a good examples of candidates who want to be pundits really badly.) I don't think it is particularly appealing to voters, and Obama would be better off staying away from the meta campaign talk when he is actually the candidate.

  • Third, there is an interesting, generational jab at the 1960's: "do we need to break out of some of the ideological battles that we fought during the '90s that were really extensions of battles we fought since the '60s." This is a direct appeal to younger Gen X, Gen Y, and Millennial Voters, not to mention to differentiate himself from Clinton (Clinton = 1990's in this formula). I have to admit, it is appealing to me because, as I wrote last year, I am so sick of American politics being fought over issues that took place before I was born using cultural references to events that happened before I was born (which basically was politics in the 1990's). However, it is important to remember that the primary and caucus electorate is older than the general election electorate, so a direct generational appeal might be dangerous territory. But I still like it, because it is appealing to me. :)

  • Fourth, Obama uses the term "ideological gridlock" in a way that is less progressive than his more recent "post-partisan" rhetoric, including "a more fundamental change in how business is done in Washington." However it was intended, "ideological gridlock" sounds very centrist, and very non-partisan. This, I think, presents a huge opening for the Clinton campaign. Instead of talking about ideological gridlock and post-partisanship, Clinton could emphasize her progressivism and Democratic partisanship, and actually come at Obama from the left. She has done a decent job so far with labeling herself a progressive, but I think if she really wanted to hit back at Obama over this, it would be the perfect moment to emphasize that she self-identifies as a progressive. It would also be a good moment to start emphasizing that she is a Democrat since, as Matt points out, neither she nor Obama did so in their first Iowa ads.

Certainly an interesting development, even if I don't think these messages from Obama will work very well if employed broadly. Still, Obama is clearly going to be the initiator of these attempted moments of differentiation, since he is currently in second place in most polls. He has to do something. Due to her lead, Clinton can instead focus on differentiating herself from Bush and Republicans, which puts her in a stronger rhetorical position. It won't be easy for Obama to break out of his current position, but he is trying to find ways to do so.

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baggage isn't an electability argument (0.00 / 0)
Obama isn't saying that Clinton can't win, he's pretty much saying there is zero chance in hell that she could pass "Hillarycare" (which is true, we won't have universal health insurance under Clinton).

Good point (0.00 / 0)
It does seem to be more about post-election than electability. I'll update.

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Even if it is about "electability" (0.00 / 0)
At least it's based on something real here.  The "electability" knocks on Gov. Dean were based on DC Insider predictions as to how folks would react in a general election to someone they didn't yet know but was espousing beliefs outside of the then-mainstream.  Sen. Clinton, on the other hand, already has universal name recognition -- and negatives that are going to be pretty hard to reduce substantially.  And they're negatives based on her as a person, and not on a policy agenda some are too timid to advance.

In other words, I think electability is fair game here.


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Governability (0.00 / 0)
I have been thinking about the divisiveness issue a lot, well before there were any candidates in the race.  We need someone who will fight to correct the years of divisive politics championed by Gingrich and Rove.  Not only does that play electorally into the hands of the Republicans but it divides and weakens the nation.

My support is likely to go to the candidate whom I think can bring our country together, restore our rights, and be the president of all Americans.

My job is not to represent Washington to you, but to represent you to Washington- Obama
Philly for Obama


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A Noble Sentiment, But (0.00 / 0)
It just ain't gonna happen.

You have nearly 20 years of Rush Limbaugh.  You have Fox News.  You have nearly 30 years of Abramoff, Norquist and Reed.  You have the conservative base that's POd at Bush for letting all those Messicans in.  I'd love nothing better than to click my heels three times and have them all disappear.

But they won't.

And that means they have to be fought.

There is no other way.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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We have to do both (0.00 / 0)
It's the progressive paradox. We both have to fight the bad guys and bring people together. THAT is the only way we will win in the long term.

Politics is a strong and slow boring of hard boards.

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"electability" (0.00 / 0)
I disagree. I think Obama is zeroing in on Clinton's negatives when he says "I can bring the country together more effectively than she can."

This is Obama at his worst, in my opinion, for two reasons:

1. It gives the impression that Obama thinks that just "being Obama" -- and "not being Hillary" -- is enough to bring the country together? Well, it isn't.

2. Good ideas and sound policy will bring the country together. People rally around leaders with the guts to articulate a clear direction for the county, and the courage to fight for what they believe in.

When Obama starts articulating his vision and starts FIGHTING for what he believes in, especially right now in the Senate, that's when he'll start moving up in the polls.

It's not enough to "not be Hillary." He needs to be Obama, whoever that person may be.


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meta (4.00 / 3)
I really don't understand Obama's campaign strategy. It is as if he is mixing Clinton '92 (hope as beyond labels) with the worst '80s meta/process politics (finance reform, electability). There already is a Clinton in the race, and she knows that the post-partisan moment has passed.

He seems to have leftish instincts (it leaks out when he gets angry), so I think he would have been more successful if he had taken some solid progressive stands and used his rhetorical skill to make them appealing to independents.


Let him take some progressive stands. (4.00 / 1)
Yes. Let him take some progressive stands. Let him show some courage. Then we'll talk.

Right now his legislative record is indistinquishable from Clinton's.
His health care plan doesn't even attempt to cover everybody.
His foreign policy goes from diplomatic to Rambo from day to day depending on the feedback he gets.
He voted for the Patriot Act - not progressive.
He campaigned for Lieberman - not progressive and hypocritical considering he is selling himself as being "against the war from the beginning".
He unhesitatingly said no to reparations to families whose ancesters were subject to slave labor in this country. (Kucinich unhesitatingly said "yes".)

I don't know what how "leftist" his instincts are and I don't care.
If he can't bring himself to say anything that has progressive teeth in it, that is how I will consider him.
He is asking us to ignore his record, such as it is, ignore some of his regressive statements, and just "hope".


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er (4.00 / 3)
Right now his legislative record is indistinquishable from Clinton's.

Not really true at all.  Question: have you examined their legislative records?  Or do you believe this because you've been told it by others?  You can read about Obama's record here and if you'd like, I can gin up a comparison someone did with Hillary's record thus far in 07.  They are not comparable in the least.

His health care plan doesn't even attempt to cover everybody.

I'm beginning to doubt you've ever even had an open mind about Obama.  I'm guessing you're referring to a lack of a "mandate", as there's no other way to really read that statement.  Regardless, here's an interesting bit from last fall, months before he declared:

I asked about the universal plan recently passed in Massachusetts, which was a triumph of Obama-style bipartisanship. The plan requires everyone who earns three times the poverty rate to purchase health insurance and subsidizes those who earn less than that. Shouldn't health insurance be mandatory, like auto insurance, for those who can afford it? Obama wouldn't go there. "If there's a way of doing it voluntarily, that's more consonant with the American character," he said. "If you can't solve the problem without the government stepping in, that's when you make it mandatory."

Man, he's so not serious about that issue.  He wants to try to cover everyone first without making them buy coverage (a plan even his critics say will cover ~30-40 million of the ~45 million uninsured), and if that doesn't work...then add the mandate.  What a regressive politician!

His foreign policy goes from diplomatic to Rambo from day to day depending on the feedback he gets.

Yeah, "rambo".  If we know where the most wanted man in the world is, and nobody else will go after him, we will.  "rambo".  Are you trying to change anyone's mind?  Or just comfort yourself about your own choice in candidate?  Cause so far, it seems like you're intent on trashing some caricature of a candidate that doesn't exist.

He voted for the Patriot Act - not progressive.

He also co-sponsored an alternative and denounced the bill on the floor

He campaigned for Lieberman - not progressive and hypocritical considering he is selling himself as being "against the war from the beginning".

Hypocritical?  And I quote Senator Obama in the biggest political moment of his life: "There are patriots who opposed the war in Iraq and there are patriots who supported the war in Iraq. We are one people, all of us pledging allegiance to the stars and stripes, all of us defending the United States of America."

I'm not sure you know what hypocrite means.  You seem to mistaking the fact that Obama is not a demagogue for hypocrisy. 

He unhesitatingly said no to reparations to families whose ancesters were subject to slave labor in this country. (Kucinich unhesitatingly said "yes".)

Yeah...so?  I don't get it.  There are plenty of arguments for why reparations are not a great idea and, what's more, since when is that a "threshold" question for progressivism?

I don't know what how "leftist" his instincts are and I don't care.

Well, that much is obvious by your blatant mis-characterizations and demagogy.

If he can't bring himself to say anything that has progressive teeth in it, that is how I will consider him.
He is asking us to ignore his record, such as it is, ignore some of his regressive statements, and just "hope".

Er...no.  Why don't you actually take a look at his record (I linked to a nice description of it above) and his actual statements and policy proposals.  Expansive inner-city urban renewal.  Expansion of gov't involvement in health care, with a path to single-payer (and he's said if he were starting from scratch, he'd do single payer).  Increase in foreign aid.  International nuclear fuel-bank.  Commitment (and record to back it up) to non-proliferation and disarmament.  Commitment to summitry.  Disavowal of diplomatic pre-conditions.  Strong record on ethics reform.  And on and on.

How is that anything but progressive?


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I think the "meta" discussion is a tactic (4.00 / 2)
Second, there is a strange "meta" moment where Obama repeats the media and campaign narratives so far.

I think he's adopting this tactic specifically to dilute the power of the "inexperience" claim.  It its all just politics, all just rhetoric, then its not nearly as damning as if there is some anchor of truth to the claim that he's "too inexperienced" for the White House.

I don't think the meta discussion is a good one to have in general, but in those one instance, its a way of dismissing and re-framing criticism without tackling it head on.  He doesn't come off as defensive (Obama defends himself from "inexperience" jabs: "Its all politics"), but he does defend himself.

And as many have noted, the main upshot of this might be Wolfson's ill-advised vitriol in response to Obama's "tame" (your words) "attack".  Jason Zengerle at TNR called Obama's description of Hillary "fair" and "charitable", and then notes the response by Wolfson is "harsh" and that:

the sort of hair-trigger response demonstrated by Wolfson serves only to strengthen Obama's original point about Clinton being something of a divisive figure. Indeed, Wolfson's response even serves to make that point stronger than Obama did--since it shows that Clinton's divisiveness is, sometimes, a problem of her own making.

Joe Klein has the same take at Swampland, saying:

I thought he was pretty sane and judicious about the differences between him and Hillary Clinton--and was surprised by the toxic reaction from the Clinton campaign

There have been a couple stories in the media of late about worries about Hillary's "coattails".  Then Obama rather soft-peddles those worries in a reasonable manner, but Hillary's campaign way over-does the response, which seems to re-enforce the point.

That's some jiu jitsu right there, I think. 


Done In By Pundit Lust (4.00 / 2)
It's very understandable why politicians would want to be pundits.  Pundits get far more public exposure than politicians do.  They can be wrong 100% of the time, with no fear of losing their jobs, their credibility or their clout.  And they don't have to do any real work at all. Certainly not cold calling folks for thousands of dollars, or shaking so many hands you risk dislocating every joint from your shoulder on down.

And, naturally, the politicians who are treated best by the pundits are the ones most eager to be like them.

All this, I think, explains a good deal of what's gone wrong with Obama since he went to Washington.  Why'd he hook up with Joe Lieberman of all people?  Well, Joe's #1 on the pundit's speed dial for Democrats.  Why'd he take sharp jabs at non-existent Democrats who hate religion?  Standard pundit fare.  Why attack an entire generation of voters--those who routinely show up most reliably in low-turnout primary races?  Pundits love to talk generational stuff.  Makes them seem all world-historical, like Newt Gingrich!  Why'd he mute his anti-war criticism?  Do you have to ask?

What this all amounts to is that Obama really is too inexperienced.  Either that, or this bad judgment isn't going to go away with age.  And, frankly, I just don't believe that.  I think he's going through his own version of the same sort of freshman disorientation that bedeviled John Edwards.  If he walks away from this experience, and learns the right lessons from it, he'll be back, he will be President someday, and he will be a better President for it.

Meanwhile, his punditocracy fling has cost him dearly, I'm afraid.  I have to agree with souvarine above:

he would have been more successful if he had taken some solid progressive stands and used his rhetorical skill to make them appealing to independents.

This is particular true given the massive shift in partisan preferences we've been seeing, most recently in the Greenberg memo.

Unfortunately, for all his pundit-wannabe talk about a "new politics," his progressive-scared-of-his-own-shadow stance is just another variation on Walter Mondale (promising to raise taxes in 1984), Michael Dukakis ("it's about competence, not ideology"--and btw, did you see my new tank?) and Al (What global warming? Not now, dammit!) Gore.  I've got to admit that Obama is much better at it than any of his predeccessors.  Which only makes it more ludicrous that he thinks he has to play it like that.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


Polarizing (4.00 / 1)
Polarizing isn't so much about electability.  I see it more as a question of enthusiasm or what you and Matt might call "movement building."  I know plenty of people who will reluctantly vote for Hillary if she is the nominee but won't contribute to or work on her campaign because they fundamentally don't like her for a variety of reasons.  Obama doesn't excite that kind of enmity (at least not from people I know; maybe from latent racists).  Obama talks about bringing new people into politics, and a new way of talking about political issues that is less take-no-prisoners partisan.  Hillary, OTOH, is polarizing and she has some attack dogs who are very partisan on her behalf.

Paradoxically, yesterday I read that attacks by the Right on Hillary, especially shrill ones, will backfire because in person she is much more reasonable than the caricature and Dems will rally behind her when she is attacked by the Right.  In that analysis her being polarizing has a positive, base-rallying aspect for the Dems as well as the more obvious one for the GOP.

Unstated is also Obama's apparent belief that because of his biography he can transcend racial categories and native-immigrant categories and somehow by appealing to both sides, bring about healing.  From what I've read he believes this, although how (or if) it happens is less clear to me.

John McCain--He's not who you think he is.


The meta stuff is hogwash (4.00 / 1)
Given that there is a definite, strong conservative movement out there that views politics as a culture war, "uniting the country" seems like a pipe dream, because there is a significant "my way or the highway" contingent. What's more, if voters continue to reject Bush and the movement Conservatives in 2008, is "unity" the right message - or is it "change". Obama talks about change, but his talk of unity dilutes that message - change is bold, unity is about compromise.

This leaves a real opening for Hillary to be the candidate who will stand up to the Conservative movement - not try to unite with it. In fact, that's the core message when she talks about health care reform and the "scars" she bears - she's saying she knows who the enemy is and she has tangled with them before. Her message is about change, and she doesn't dilute it with talk of unity - she acknowledges her enemies and vows to defeat them.



unity v. compromise (0.00 / 0)
"change is bold, unity is about compromise."

Unity can be bold, too! I don't know why so many people here seem to think that "unity" or broadening the number of people who agree with progressive politics has to do with "compromising" with the Republicans. From where I sit, we have a lot of work to do as a movement to get ourselves on the same page, to be a unified force.

Obama is trying to be a figure in that movement, but sadly it appears to be getting lost on most bloggers. I'm not blaming the bloggers, I think it's a language problem, honestly. Obama's definition of unity is not triangulation. But he's not doing a good enough job talking about his ideas in a way that makes that clear.

Politics is a strong and slow boring of hard boards.


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