Stating The Obvious About Sarah Palin

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 12:36


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When a strategy article hits the top of DKos's rec list AND the front page of TalkLeft, you know you've hit gold.

"http://www.fivethirtyeight.com..."

The story linked to, "Sarah Palin Is Not a Hockey Mom", by Sean at 538, makes a good point.  But is it really the whole story?  Or just a really good, solid starting point?  As my title suggests, I think it's really just an excellent way of stating the obvious.

Of course, the Dems have such a long history of missing the obvious that one should never construe my characterization as a put-down.  Quite the opposite: Think of it as a pick-up--as in pick up the ball and run with it, to mix sports metaphors.

Sean's point is simple. Palin isn't a hockey mom:

She's a hockey player. She's a fourth-line hockey agitator, beloved by the home crowd, loathed by the opponents, injecting passion into both fan bases, the kind of home-team hero that no Stanley Cup winner goes without.

Her role is to throw the other team off, to get them to react to her, lose their focus and composure, and set things up for her team's top scorer.  Sean praises Biden for not taking her bait:

Democrats would be smart to understand her as such, and I see a lot of reaction that doesn't seem to grasp what Palin is doing and the value she's providing. I see a lot of Democrats taking a lot of bait.

This applies more to Democratic surrogates than it does to the top-ticket duo. Joe Biden had the smart response yesterday - naming the behavior - expecting it, and then riding through without taking the bait:

    "It was about how well placed -- and boy she is good -- how a left jab can be stuck pretty nice. It's about how Barack Obama is such a bad guy."

And that's all he says of Palin's antics. Name the behavior, even praising the skill with which the agitation was attempted, and then back to focus. It's "the economy, stupid."

He's right at the core, and right to praise Biden, but he needs someone else to pick up the ball and move it down the field, extending the metaphor all the way to the goal.  I humbly volunteer for the task.  

Paul Rosenberg :: Stating The Obvious About Sarah Palin
Extending The Metaphor

The first thing to note is that Nate doesn't say anything about our "fourth-line hockey agitator".  It's perfectly true that our top scorers shouldn't be distracted.  But why the hell shouldn't we disrupt their game, rather than worrying about them disrupting ours?

And that, of course, entails getting clear about what their game is.  And if you think it's just winning this election, then I've got a bridge to sell you, and it only costs two tickets to the Stanley Cup finals.

You see, Sean is absolutely right--Sarah Palin is a "fourth-line hockey agitator"... today.  But movement conservatives are all about movement building, and John McCain was not their idea of anything like that. Palin, OTOH, is one of them, not just a movement conservative, but a cadre, a foot-soldier promoted to field general.  She is their future, incarnate.  And if we don't take her down now, when all her dirty laundry hasn't been tossed into the incinerator yet, we will never have as good a shot as we do right now.

In a sense, Sean himself must realize this.  He ends his piece like this:

Finally - is the analogy complete? In the end a great hockey agitator who rouses both sides emotionally (and successfully gets the other team to lose focus) still needs the home team scoring talent to come through. Successful agitator Kris Draper of the Detroit Red Wings had the clutch Steve Yzerman for a lot of years. That worked. Detroit won Cups. They had parades.

Successful agitator Tyson Nash, when he was on my Blues, was stuck with the antithesis of playoff clutch, the easily thrown-off-his-game Keith Tkachuk. That didn't work. No Cup. Even if Palin is successful in her task of agitation and distraction, which one is John McCain?

The answer is obvious: by himself, John McCain can't score.  So if the metaphor, as Sean presents, is wholly accurate, then it doesn't really matter if Biden--or Obama--loses his cool.  In the end, McCain won't be able to take advantage.  Ah, but there's the rub.  It's not really up to McCain.  Palin may be starting out as a "fourth-line hockey agitator", but she's clearly aiming for bigger things, already overshadowing the "scoring talent", and clearly positioned to be a future presidential nominee.

Game Plan: Richard Nixon In A Dress

So what do I suggest?  Three things:

(1) What Biden has done so far is good, but it needs to evolve.  He needs to advance to mocking her--not least for her lack of honesty.  He can't do that alone, however.  He needs us to build off of. This leads to my next point.

(2) What's true for Obama and Biden does not hold for the rest of us.  We need to focus on disrupting their game.  Not all of us, mind you.  Just the ones who are comfortable and able in doing so.  But we need to be supported--at the very least by not being foolishly criticized.  We can build up the honest narrative about who Sarah Palin really is: "Richard Nixon in a dress." That's who she is, and we need to make the case--and make it rock solid.

Once we do so, then Biden can say, "Some people call her 'Richard Nixon in a dress.'  I wouldn't go that far, but I do know that she has a problem with telling the truth...." and then he can go right down the list of things we've promoted.

(3) Disrupting the cleansing of Sarah Palin now, and making the GOP defend her without fully knowing her does not mean abandoning running on the issues.  People already know and support us on the issues.  What they need to see is that we can fight.  So we need to knock her down, hard, and once we've shown we can do that, then talking about issues will be much more effective than it otherwise would be.

Note: Of course, Palin will try to come back.  Don't think for a moment that one knock-down will stop her.  See Nixon's career if you have any doubts about that.  But if we hit her hard enough and smart enough right now, she will never be the same caliber of threat that she otherwise would be.  It's an investment in the future well worth making now.  An investment that will pay off this November, and for many more Novembers to come.


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And don't forget that this strategy has worked before (4.00 / 5)
the greatest hero in the history of the Democratic party, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, broke onto the national scene as the Vice Presidential candidate on an extremely doomed ticket.

And if we counterpunch properly, their strategy CAN be short-circuited.  I have no doubt part of Bush's reason in choosing Quayle was an effort to build a bench for the future.  But Lloyd Bentsen made short work of that with the greatest line in the history of the VP debates.  

We need to manage expectations for the Biden/Palin debate.  If we go into those things with people expecting Palin to actually do something rather than not suck, then the mismatch might actually be worse than Bentsen/Quayle.


Excellent Point! (4.00 / 2)
There was more to that debate than just one line. But it only took that one line to define Dan Quayle.

The Dems still lost, though.  So we want more than that.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Yes, but the reasons they lost had little to do with the VP (4.00 / 1)
and a lot to do with riding in tanks, being from Massachussetts, having a funny foreign name, being short, and Willie Horton

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Precisely (4.00 / 3)
The point of all this writing I'm doing about Palin is to put it into perspective.  Just because it's important, doesn't mean it's everything.

This should go without saying, but obviously it doesn't. It needs to be said.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Pick a message (4.00 / 3)
that's the point.

In the last week the Democrats have reverted to form where you aren't disiciplined on message.

Palin isnt the message. If she is, then we've got a problem because Palin isn't running this time for President.

Fight the battles when they need to be fought. Prioritize. Make the message about the continuation of Bush and of the GOP policies. Go back to the fundamentals of this race.

This stuff with Palin , I know, is red meat for not only hard core Republicans, but also you Paul. But it is ultimately a distraction.

How many times have you discussed McCain as your main focus this week? I am not trying to argue- I am actually asking the question. If you aren't focused on him, then ask yourself why?


Palin=Nixon In A Dress (4.00 / 2)
Palin is supposed to be the new face of the GOP, the vindication of McCain's newfound identity as the real avatar of change in this election.

Well, if she's just Nixon in a dress--which she is--then so much for McCain's latest re-invention.

Moral:  Not every attack has to be a frontal one.  In fact, to be effective there must be ones that are not.

Just because I write about this a lot doesn't mean that I think Obama and Biden should focus on it obsessively.  That's not my point.  Indeed, I agreed with Sean's point about Biden.  I write about it a lot because I don't think people really get how to handle this.

If your rear-view mirror is broken, you fix it.  That doesn't mean you mistake it for your engine.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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I am not saying don't mention Palin (4.00 / 4)
I am saying your prioritization and emphasis is in the wrong place. If your argument is McCain is going to be an extremist. Write that, and then say Palin is an example of this. Right now, your emphasize and accentuation as is folks like Jeralyn is on Palin, not McCain. Even the title of this diary is about Palin.

I again think some of you because you are progressive have issues with message discipline.  I think Palin is emotionally more satifsying for you to talk about. BUT, Palin isn't the presidential nominee.

If all of the major blogs, as they are - are focused on Palin, not McCain-t hen there is something wrong because what you are doing is aiding in the press continued focus on her rather than McCain. I thought the blogs existed as a way to complete the so called triangle in which you influence what's being put out there by the MSM to move the debate?

Right now, you are being distracted.  


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I think you've (4.00 / 1)
hit the nail on the head.  Let's get back to McCain's houses, McCain's tax cuts for the wealthy, McCain's caving to the right-wing plus his tempermanent, judgement, age....the whole nine yards.  To use another sports analogy, Palin's like the catcher that talks to the batter of the other team to try to keep him from focusing on the next pitch.  No more fixating on Palin!  

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It's a two step argument (4.00 / 2)
everything we've used in attempts to rebrand McCain has failed.  But, this Palin pick contradicts McCain's brand so badly in almost every way, that it actually gives us an 'in' to go after McCain's brand.  The earmarks, the lying, the thoughtless and extreme conservatism and especially the rumors that McCain really wanted Lieberman all add up to contradict everything about the dominant media narrative on McCain.  

If we use Palin to brand McCain/Palin as a spoils system, forced birth, militaristic ticket, then McCain's one advantage is gone.


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What's More (0.00 / 0)
Attacking Palin on all these points forces McCain to defend her, thus making our argument for us.

Either that, or abandon her, and undermine his judgment, as well as his image as a fighter.

Folks need to be thinking in more realistic terms of how campaign dynamics unfold.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Attack Palin to attack McCain (0.00 / 0)
I don't think attacking her on her fundamentalist, home schoolin', pro teen-pregnancy resume is going to help much.

Palin should be branded (RIGHT NOW) as an earmarking, lobbying, oily, corporate/socialist--just like everyone else in the Bush Administration. Attack McCain for picking an insider with highly questionable ties to Senator Stevens and the bridge to nowhere. Don't wait for an incitement of Palin on troopergate. Assume she is guilty, and hit her now! Why did McCain choose a corrupt insider like Palin? This attack will cause controversy but it will stick to McCain because it fits the "more of the same" meme perfectly.

By the way, let's drop the "not vetted" crap. SHE WAS VETTED by Dobson, LaHaye, Perkins, and the whole cabal of rightwing extremists called the Council for National Policy. And just like the mob initiate, she proved criminal enough to make the grade.


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ps- if you remain unconvinced (0.00 / 0)
pay attention to what others are saying and how they are saying it. THey aren't at all focused on McCain. They are fixating on Palin.

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pps (0.00 / 0)
note what the majority o the commentators along your thread are doing. the last one especially- not whether mccain is acceptable, but palin. is that what you want to be the focus on the next 60 days? that palin is the extremist, but not mccain.

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I'm NOT Talking About The Next 60 Days (4.00 / 1)
The point is precisely that an intense focus on her right now will set us on a radically different path for the rest of the 60 days.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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The point is that we aren't in control of the narrative (0.00 / 0)
when Palin is the sole focus rather than how Palin reflects McCain. You keep trying to frame what I am saying as either/or. The argument that you should link it first and foremost to McCain from the start. Again- the emphasis is the point. Not what you are talking about. Can you not see that you are focused on Palin first here?

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For Obama the issue is the economy (4.00 / 4)
It has to be a multi-track strategy.  For Obama the message is I understand and care about the middle class, I have plans to help you such as a tax cut for working families, help with college tuition, a strategy to get us to universal health care, a crash program for infrastructure and alternative energy investments that will create jobs and help us get off oil, etc.  

For Biden the message is that John McCain has no message, no plans, just more and worse of George W. Bush.  And McCain is old and out of touch and Sarah Palin does not understand or know how to deal with issues at the federal level, and she will be a heartbeat away.  (This is the rejoinder to "but she's got executive experience--Obama has 4 years' experience at the FEDERAL LEVEL. Make it seem like the big leagues.)

The DNC, women Dem electeds women's groups should hit hard on reproductive rights.  They don't even like contraception and sex ed, let alone choice in carrying a child to term.  This actually works well with many women who oppose abortion but aren't doctrinaire.

Other groups, plus some Dem electeds should hit them on environmental/energy issues.  Look, we've just had 8 years of a government run by oil men.  We don't need the short-time governor of the nations's biggest oil state to continue their policies.

Others can hit Palin on BEING OUT OF THE MAINSTREAM.  That is always one of their biggest lines, so we ought to use it too, since it fits.  Make them seem like the risky choice, which they are.

Lots of work for everyone.

John McCain--He's not who you think he is.


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my point is that all of those (4.00 / 1)
various pieces can be integrated into a greater message. When people attack Palin as out of the mainstream- they should always  add and this is why McCain isn't fit to be President. Or better yet, McCain isn't fit to be President because Palin is outside of the mainstream. See how the focus shifts? It pressumes her outside of the mainstream as fact, but then use it to say something bout McCain.

When people discuss the economy, and this is why McCain isn't fit to be president.

When they discuss the environmental issues, and this is why McCain isn't fit to be President.

I am making a point about message discipline. Lots of work that could be done more effectively. I am not an expert on this. I just am thinking of this as a layperson listening to it. They require me to connect the dots too much. If I am required to connect the dots as a lay person into politics, then what of the low ifnormation voter?  


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Not disagreeing (0.00 / 0)
Good point.  But the emphasis has to shift some with the speaker and his/her role.

John McCain--He's not who you think he is.

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I m not disagreeing with the role playing (0.00 / 0)
or that everyone has their style. But as i just wrote to jerome over at mydd, the goal must be McCain=Failed Presidency. Always regardless of what the discussion is. If that's not in the back of everyone's mind, the message will not have the negative impact. It must be explicit always that this is the point. Even when we say McCain=Bush we are syaing McCain=failed presidency.

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Which is why all of the themes of that Biden speech are so key (4.00 / 1)
Hammer them on having nothing to say, on discussing lipstick and personality while people lose their houses and 'real estate investments.'  It ties to both McCain and Palin.  It ties to McCain's duplicity in choosing Palin.  It ties to Palin's earmarks.  It ties to McCain's 'reformer' image.  This line of attack unravels everything the republicans have been doing since 1952, when they rolled out the 'unrelateable egghead' character to use against Adlai Stevenson.  

If you kill the personality politics, you kill the Republicans, because, in Biden's words they "have no excuse for eight years of failure."


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Precisely! (0.00 / 0)
Role playing.  Everyone has a role to play.  This is perfectly in tune with the hockey metaphor.

And my role has always been talking about how current events reflect on larger long-term political struggles, and the factors (cognitive as well as material) underlying them.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Excellent analysis... (4.00 / 1)
It took me days to get over my initial confusion at Sarah Palin's selection, but it became clear after Wed, when her performance was registering with working-class men even more than women. Palin is starting at a different level than Barack did at the DNC in 2004, but the party-introduction factor is kinda the same. Just this morning I said to my wife that the GOP is clearly positioning her for a run at an incumbent Barack Obama in 2012. Now is definitely the time to send her back to Alaska.

"This ain't for the underground. This here is for the sun." -Saul Williams

Thank the gods those guys don't vote (4.00 / 1)
in as great numbers as women.  And let's hope the young folks do come out in force.

John McCain--He's not who you think he is.

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We need an ad on this (4.00 / 3)
Free media surrogates would be nice, but our side has already screwed this up too much for this to work.  It will take an ad to undo the damage now, but it may not be too late.

And Obama can't "approve" an ad attacking just Palin.  That would be playing into their hands.

But a hard-hitting ad attacking McCain/Palin hypocrisy on pork-barrel spending could be effective.

Let's start with this item that didn't get the attention it deserved.  Palin's Wasilla landed on McCain's own list of outrageous pork barrel spending three times.  Reformer, my ass.  A real reformer wouldn't put a pork-barreller like Palin on his ticket, much less cover for her abuses.

Hell, go after the whole state of Alaska maybe - I think it's safe to say that those three electoral votes are gone.  Alaska depends on pork more than any other state and Palin is a master of it.

But a hard-hitting ad on these themes could still work.  The point I keep making is - attack them on their strengths, just like Karl Rove, only THESE attacks are TRUE.



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this is so good (4.00 / 1)
as an attack strategy because McCain and Palin are so absolutely on opposite sides. McCain made long passionate speeches on the Senate floor against earmarks and pork, there are hundreds of juicy quotes to choose from.

Palin was the earmark queen in Wasilla, cheerleading all the way, and the Governor Palin was #1 in earmarks of all the US states. She can argue she cut earmarks as governor but she was still #1 by huge huge margin.

The best part is this comes back on McCain's shoulders, it really shows what a hypocrite he is, and his reformer maverick talk is hollow air with the Palin choice.


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Earmark Queen = welfare queen (4.00 / 1)
Good line of attack.

Also her big accomplishment as mayor was to build a hockey arena thatsent the community 20 million in debt and with years of litigation because she botched the land acquisition.

She can't govern any better than GW Bush, and neither can McCain.

John McCain--He's not who you think he is.


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I prefer (0.00 / 0)
the Pork Princess, as it pulls in the beauty contestant aspect as well.

No society that feeds its children on tales of successful violence can expect them not to believe that violence in the end is rewarded. -Margaret Mead

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Pig in lipstick is still a pig (0.00 / 0)
Or, Dobson in lipstick is still an anti-science, anti-choice, fundamentalist.

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"Earmark Queen" Is Keeper! (4.00 / 1)
"Earmark Queen Sarah Palin" should be as ubiquitous as "Former POW John McCain".

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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How about (4.00 / 1)
"When Sarah Palin moved from the mayor's office to the governor's mansion she graduated from Pork Princess to Earmark Queen." We can only speculate what kind of vice-empress she will be...

No society that feeds its children on tales of successful violence can expect them not to believe that violence in the end is rewarded. -Margaret Mead

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palintruth.org (0.00 / 0)
2501, a poster at dailykos, has set up a website that you may be able to use.  S/he is looking for suggestions and help.

This site has really good content (0.00 / 0)
but if there's a place there where you can interact with the people putting it out, I looked for it and couldn't find it.

Nonetheless, this site deserves a quick hit, I think.

sTiVo's rule: Just because YOU "wouldn't put it past 'em" doesn't prove that THEY did it.


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Email of creator (0.00 / 0)
puppetmaster AT project2501.com.  Sorry, didn't realize the site didn't have it.

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If Palin becomes acceptable, we lose (4.00 / 4)
Paul, you're right. I worry about progressives thinking of Palin only as a distraction, because the truth is, if she's left to strip away votes in a few swing states, we will lose. We cannot let up. The corporate media will treat her as a star, so if we don't stay after her, she'll succeed.

You also have it right here:


She is their future, incarnate.  And if we don't take her down now, when all her dirty laundry hasn't been tossed into the incinerator yet, we will never have as good a shot as we do right now.

On the positive side, I looked up the demographics of the grocery store gossip magazines with Palin on their covers. The headlines are all about scandal and drama and affairs and such. They are awful. And the readers are the very demographic there's been so much talk of this election, struggling, middle class, modest income white women.


The Past Ain't Past, And The Future Ain't Future (0.00 / 0)
Glad to see we're on the same wavelength here.  I wouldn't mind reading your own take at diary lengths, if you have the time.

As for the good news--let's not forget that just as those magazines can tear down after building up, they can go the other way.  So it's a good sign, but one that can easily change on us.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Right-o (0.00 / 0)
Tabloid culture is, in the end, an obstacle to progressive reform.

I just think it's interesting in this instance that Palin is getting pilloried by them. The dirt they have to work with -- and the audience they speak to -- is all the proof we need that McCain didn't do an ounce of


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...vetting (0.00 / 0)
'scuse. I didn't vet my own post....

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I Just About Vet My Pants (0.00 / 0)
ven I saw that one.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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Corporate media (0.00 / 0)
I dunno if they will treat her like a star.  The news media is pissed that she won't be interviewed, and will keep bringing that up. The tabloids are having a field day defining her, and it isn't all flattering.

One question is how pliable she appears to be or if she looks to independent for the corporatists. Someone like her is always at risk of believing her own hype and flying a little too close to the sun. I think she's risky for them as well.  I can't see that anyone really is enthusiastic beyond the bots but the fundies and the Weekly Standard/Larry Kudlow types.

John McCain--He's not who you think he is.


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She's potentially a star... (4.00 / 1)
...regardless of how the media feels about her. Fifteen minutes of fame, if that's what this is, feels an awful lot like the real thing at, say, minute three. I tend to agree with the posters who say that every Palin attack has to be pointedly linked to McCain: his hypocrisy, his judgment, flip-flopping, whatever. It's the only way not to play into the GOP's clear strategy, which is to keep folks thinking about wedge issues instead of the economy.

"This ain't for the underground. This here is for the sun." -Saul Williams

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Another part of the big picture (4.00 / 1)
It seems like your focus is on neutralizing Palin as a weapon. I think that more needs to be done.

More focus needs to be put on separating John McCain from the conservative base.  Taking Palin a notch is a means, showing that McCain has bad judgment, and not an end in itself.  If Sarah Palin wants to hunker down in a spider hole and hide from the media, then fine.  I suppose some people think that cowardice is a good trait in a potential president, but not me.  Some effort needs to go into reminding evangelicals why John "Reverse Ace" McCain made them less than pleased in the first place.

I'm a big fan of having multiple and possibly contradictory narratives as lines of attack.  Imagine that Sarah Palin had tossed her name into the ring for the presidential nomination.  What sorts of arguments would Mitt Romney have leveled against her?  What sort of arguments can some Obama surrogate recycle in the same way that McCain reused lines of attack from Hilary Clinton?  These don't have to be arguments that a progressive would make or buy into, so long as they affect some Republican-leaning voters.  It's okay to have a bunch of people voting against McCain/Palin (or staying home rather than vote Republican) for different reasons.

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The attacks should not be against Palin (0.00 / 0)
The attacks should be relating the things McCain has said about the issues.

And asking if Palin agrees with with McCain's "jokes" about women.

Palin should only be attacked in ways that make her seem out of touch with the right wing conservatives.  Obama's message of "can't we all get along" makes the right wing conservatives unenthusiastic about voting.  Going after Palin's way of life or corruption will make them enthusiastic.

Focusing on McCain and how Palin thinks of McCain's views is  the way to make the right wing unenthusiastic again.

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I don't understand your distinction (0.00 / 0)
but it's worth exploring.

you mention not "going after Palin's way of life" - I agree.
you mention not attacking "corruption" - I don't necessarily agree but it depends what you mean by "corruption".  I agree that Troopergate is not likely to resonate, but there are other possibilities.

How about hypocrisy?  There are some nice available lines of attack that also emphasize McCain/Palin inconsistencies, such as McCain's previous citations of Palin's Wasilla as a pork-barreller.  I'm tooting my own horn here, but I think this could be a good ad.


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Conservatives want a president who will unethically benefit them (0.00 / 0)
They want someone who brings home the bacon so to speak, just on the world stage.  They often work for companies that they feel behave somewhat unethically.  Attacking paelin for a lack of ethics is also attacking them.

Getting caught is an entirely different matter.  No one likes a loser.


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More bull than pit bull (0.00 / 0)
I think Biden needs to get in her face a bit more. Even if he comes off worse in public perception (e.g. she scores a Quayle-type hit).

He needs to name the bevahiour, & call lies by their full name. Avoid details about bridges to nowhere, let the fact checkers do that.

He needs to typify her as an angry pit bull, a castrator, a destroyer,... expose how weird she is. The people cheerleading for her are the same ones who fronted for Bush and Cheney. Drive a wedge between her and Middle America.

Then he needs to point out how chicken she is. He was giving press conferences the day after he became VP. Why is she only meeting with tame reporters in settings of her own choosing? What are they hiding?

This has to be done well, is has to be done constantly, and it has be be done quickly. There is a short gap before she re-appears to expose her inner pit bull again. Use the time wisely.


Sorry Paul, but the only (0.00 / 0)
people that can pick up that metaphorical ball is either Joe Biden or Barack Obama.  No other player counts!

Not At All (0.00 / 0)
First off, we're talking about two different things.

I'm talking about producing an accurate analysis.  And if either Obama or Biden is thinking about that right now--as opposed to listening to and making decisions in light of analyses presented to them--then we're in a lot of trouble.

Second of all, the notion that Obama and Biden are the only actors who matter, or that they act in a vacuum is simply delusional.  If that were the case, President Kerry would be cruising to re-election right about now.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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You may "humbly volunteer" all you want, (0.00 / 0)
but that doesn't make you the player that matters in this contest.  I get what you are trying to say, and I agree with you, but I simply do not agree with the way you said it.  

For the record, I DO NOT think the Obama and Biden are the only actors in this gig...there is of course McCain and Palin, and then there is the American voter and the American non-voter.  We all have a stake in this.  I simply do not believe in oracles.


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I Wasn't Being Oracular. (0.00 / 0)
I was offering an argument, not a pronouncement from on high.

If you have a counter-argument, I want to hear it.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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You know what I've been thinking? (4.00 / 1)
Sarah Palin is nothing more than Nixon in a dress. Say it with me now, "I am not a crook."

Montani semper liberi

"Richard Nixon in a dress." (0.00 / 0)
I prefer, Bush in go-go boots.  Yes, we should be able to walk and talk at the same time.  They are going to steal this one just like all the others.  Soon, they'll be winning the elections with 98% of the vote.  

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