Why Is Obama Slipping? Because He Won't Say Which Side He's On.

by: David Sirota

Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 15:43


Why is Barack Obama slipping in the polls? Here's why:

"In a Washington Post-ABC News poll, Obama's edge on the economy has slipped to only five percentage points, a low for the campaign."

That's really sad on a lot of levels, especially when you consider the contours of the candidates' tax plans:

"All taxpayers would receive a cut under McCain's plan. Taxes for those who make less than $226,982 would go down under Obama's proposal and they would rise for those who make more than $603,403. Obama would give the biggest cuts to those who make the least, while McCain would give the largest cuts to the very wealthy."

Then again, even considering those facts, I'm not really surprised.

David Sirota :: Why Is Obama Slipping? Because He Won't Say Which Side He's On.
Because Obama has refused to really focus on the issues that really draw a crystal clear contrast - issues like trade and the Iraq War. Thus, what policy debate that has survived is one over policy details - ie. whose tax plan is better, rather than, say, why McCain is happy telling Ohioans NAFTA is awesome.

This goes back to what I've been saying for months. Obama refuses to answer the fundamental question - that historical question always asked by organized labor: Which side are you on?

Oh sure, he answers the question on candidate questionnaires, where he commits to strong positions, and his convention speech was a momentary flash of real populist vigor (raising the question of whether it be as fleeting as Gore's 2000 "people versus the powerful" convention speech that boosted his numbers and then was thematically abandoned).

But in most of the public debate, Obama essentially says that question doesn't need to be answered - that he's a consensus builder on everyone's side, and that, as he suggested in my interview with him for The Nation in 2006, he can avoid real confrontations. As he said:

"The question is, Do you let confrontations arise as a consequence of your putting forward a positive vision of what needs to happen and letting the confrontation organically emerge, or do you go out of your way for it?"

The answer on a campaign (which is, after all, an electoral confrontation) is not to "let confrontations organically emerge" - that's the way to be on the defensive all the time. No, the answer on a campaign is yes, go out of your way to shape, build and embrace confrontation in a way that draws a contrast. And in a country whose crises are now so binary - bankers versus homeowners, Wall Street versus Main Street, neocons versus American troops, the wealthy versus the rest of us - Obama's rhetorical posture suggesting that he can be on everyone's side doesn't ring true. It's not an answer to the question "which side are you on" - it's a dodge.

He has to choose a side. Should we read his silence on an issue like trade to mean he is with the the Wall Streeters, insiders and elites that he has surrounded himself with on his campaign - the people who say that the majority of the country that opposes NAFTA should be ignored?

Or is he going to - finally - start publicly declaring that he's taking the majority's side in the struggle to stop the Republicans class war, elites be damned?

Which side are you on, Barack? You've only got a few weeks left to forcefully answer that question - it's just barely enough time, but it's enough. But if you don't, the McCain people are right - this will not be a campaign about issues, and it won't be a Democratic victory.


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Is anyone paying attention? (4.00 / 2)
I just heard Biden talking about this. Obama talked about this in his acceptance speech.  

Listening... not the people panicking over the bounce polls (0.00 / 0)
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I couldn't disagree more. (4.00 / 4)
Even if you're looking for a single reason Obama's slipping (if he is), then I think the answer isn't because Obama won't say which side he's on. It's because he hasn't convinced us which side McCain is on.

And frankly, at a time when the netroots seems unwilling to pick an ugly fight with McCain, I can't say I'm surprised that the official campaign is overly wary, too. Though they're at least meandering in the right direction with the 'lobbyist' attacks.


Unwilling? (4.00 / 1)
What do you mean, the netroots is unwilling to pick an ugly fight with McCain? What do you have in mind? It feels right that the left is not getting Obama's back enough to give him cover, but I can't nail down the evidence or a plan for action.

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We're so reasonable and (4.00 / 2)
fact-based. Nobody on our side wants to make ugly accusations.

Did John McCain really make propaganda videos for the Viet Cong?
If he did, doesn't that prove they broke him? What are the long-term psychological effects of being 'broken'?
Does that mean that John McCain isn't really a war hero? Instead, is he a war victim?
Is that why he has no core principles, why he's flip-flopped on 72 issues? Why he hired the same operative who said he fathered an 'illegitimate black baby' and is one step from being institutionalized?

Anyway. I don't wanna clutter yet another diary with my rants du jour. If you wanna respond, this is probably a better place for it!


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To get his back, (4.00 / 6)
he would have to be in front of us.

Montani semper liberi

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The Promise of America. (4.00 / 4)
http://www.dailykos.com/story/...

That promise is our greatest inheritance. It's a promise I make to my daughters when I tuck them in at night, and a promise that you make to yours - a promise that has led immigrants to cross oceans and pioneers to travel west; a promise that led workers to picket lines, and women to reach for the ballot.

snip

Our government should work for us, not against us. It should help us, not hurt us. It should ensure opportunity not just for those with the most money and influence, but for every American who's willing to work.

That's the promise of America - the idea that we are responsible for ourselves, but that we also rise or fall as one nation; the fundamental belief that I am my brother's keeper; I am my sister's keeper.

He's on our side on core view, but he has tried so long to do post partisanship.  As Obama calls out MCCain for shamelessness in lying, I think he is learning what others learned long ago.  It is a class war.  They will do or say anything.  Now Obama has a choice.  Fight or die (electorally).  I see fight in him.    


Really? (4.00 / 3)
Because I see John Kerry and Al Gore in him.

I wish I didn't.

But I do.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Me, too. (4.00 / 1)
Dems aren't willing to roll in the muck with the Republicans.  Unfortunately, that is where the fight is.  

They're asking for another four years -- in a just world, they'd get 10 to 20. ~~ Dennis Kucinich  

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I Don't Buy It (4.00 / 4)
"But in the public debate, Obama essentially says that question doesn't need to be answered - that he's a consensus builder on everyone's side"

Uh, not to sound too snarky, but did you hear his acceptance speech? Do you remember, "make them own their failure?"

I mean, I realize that you have a thesis to bolster and that right now you relate everything to your idea of The Uprising, but I have a hard time seeing how Obama isn't taking sides strongly enough.

Something is bad for Obama right now, and whenever anything is bad for Obama, the problem is that he's not Uprisingy enough. That's your narrative and you're sticking to it.


Trouble Is (4.00 / 1)
Did Obama hear his own acceptance speech?

Cause from what I've seen since then, the answer is "no".

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Much simpler, and correct, explanation.... (4.00 / 4)
Nearly every one of these polls was taken during the sweet spot of the McCain bounce.

Some of these panic posts trying to interpret the bounce polls as doom/gloom and predictive of the final election outcome are damn near idiotic.  

Get a grip people.  


Get a grip is right (4.00 / 1)
I can't believe how many threads I've read around here about why Obama is behind or slipping, when it's not even clear that he's any worse off today than 4 weeks ago.  

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Michigan is the heart of the NAFTA (0.00 / 0)
devolution.  We have half the state unemployed (8.5%) and in foreclosure.  Michigan is was as union and as traditionally blue as they come.  Despite Obama being here every other day and offering his support to autos, god and country Michigan, we are a toss up state.  That says something.  I think it says that Obama's message needs to get a hell of a lot better, shorter, down and dirty.  You should see the shit commericials McBush is running in this town.  

They're asking for another four years -- in a just world, they'd get 10 to 20. ~~ Dennis Kucinich  

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It's the media (4.00 / 3)
Since Monday, I've read countless stories about why Obama is losing, and I think what is missing from all of these is that the real reason is the media.

If the media would call McCain on the countless lies he has made, then the public would stop seeing him so favorably. As it is, even with Obama calling him out for lying, the media just treats it as a he said, she said type of argument. For more on this, you should read Steve Benen.

I'm not saying that Obama is running a perfect campaign, but the way the media is treating the two candidates is almost like Bush / Gore in 2000.


Yes it is the media (4.00 / 1)
but it has been rotten since day one. When universal public education came in the tycoons knew that in about 20 years there would be a reading public that they could fill up with any lies they wanted to choose. That they could use print for propaganda like never before in history. In the 1950's Sidney Hook wrote this wonderful essay that the illiterate farmer couldn't be fooled by those lies. He knew just exactly what he could buy and not buy with the profits from his crop this year as opposed to last year.

Now the TV can sway him at least until he goes to bed. Keep him from thinking at the very least. I am surrounded by this mentality.

And yet last Saturday in a thrift store a big booming wind of fresh air came in the door. A big Irish man with gray hair from Massachusetts who started talking politics with me by saying, You're probably for McCain!" So we started and the other locals joined in and they were for Obama which surprised the socks off me. I just shut up, went into therapist mode, and listened to them convince each other. I would never have thought it. Never.


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True, but what else is new? (0.00 / 0)
I want to know where the hell the Democratic attack dogs are.

They're asking for another four years -- in a just world, they'd get 10 to 20. ~~ Dennis Kucinich  

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Yeah, it's been awful (4.00 / 5)
how little Obama has talked about trade; he talks about companies that ship jobs overseas but nothing about trade deals. You wouldn't know that Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Michigan are essential to his electoral hopes. Not that opposition to corporate trade is confined to those states:

Over half of U.S. voters think the North American Free Trade Agreement needs to be renegotiated, according to a Rasmussen Reports telephone survey taken just days before John McCain declared that NAFTA must be defended "without
equivocation in political debate."

The national survey taken Monday night finds that 56% of voters support
renegotiation while 39% say U.S. free trade agreements in general have directly impacted their families. Of that latter group, 73% say the impact has been a bad one, as opposed to 14% who say it was beneficial. (See toplines and crosstabs)

Only 16% of respondents favor NAFTA - a pact which came into being in 1994
and lowers nearly all trade barriers between the U.S., Canada and Mexico --
as is, with 28% undecided.

http://www.rasmussenreports.co...

Given these overwhelming numbers, it's clear why Obama doesn't take embrace progressive trade policies: because he doesn't believe in progressive trade policies. Still, you don't have to be a great fair trade to oppose NAFTA, and no doubt Obama, out of political expedience, will return to the issue of NAFTA, as he did when he was trying to win in Ohio during the primary (only to express regret for his anti-NAFTA rhetoric later on.) It's all very half-hearted and therefore half-effective, his "opposition" to corporate trade deals.

It's so fucking frustrating: Democrats are holding a winning hand that they refuse to play.

Sherrod Brown, by the way, will be 60 in 2012 and 64 in 2016.



Exactly (4.00 / 2)
It's so fucking frustrating: Democrats are holding a winning hand that they refuse to play.

I agree with your prediction that he will and up playing it out of desperation... although I worry that he may not even do it then. And if he doesn't, it may not cost us the election, but it will definitely cost in the margin of victory.

also Sherrod Brown for prez... Amen!


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Brown should first run for Gov in 2012 (0.00 / 0)
Executive experience would help him a lot in a run in 2016. And he really needs more national recognition. The netroots know him and love him, sure, but when was the last time he made national headlines on page one???

Maybe I'm too harsh, but I'm still displeased about his awkward timing and handling of the Hackett episode...


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McCain (4.00 / 4)
I think the real issue is McCain is spending huge amounts of time claiming they are going against Big Oil, lobbyists and the corporations.  If you listen to McCain, you'll see he is acting like quite the populist.  Heck, Palin's husband is a proud union member!

Sure, they are lying, but since when did that matter.

This is awesome from a governing standpoint.  If even the Republicans campaign as if they are progressives on some of the major points, then we know the debate really has moved.

But it has muddled the waters for Obama.  I agree that some of the muddling is Obama's fault, but simply blaming Obama is missing the overall dynamic.

That is why I think focusing on McCain and Palin's lies are the single most important thing right now.  It simultaneously hurts their perceived character and makes it easier to win the debate on the issues.


A question of language (4.00 / 6)
It seems to me Obama does take stands, as in the video of him in Flint yesterday. That was pretty impressive, persuasive stuff, it seemed to me.

But then we see statements where he has a strong point but buries it in language that makes Kerry look like Huey Long. Here's Obama on the pay the CEOs of Freddie and Fannie are getting despite running those entities into the ground -- populist red meat at its finest, right? But heres the language of his statement as reported by Reuters:

"Yesterday, I sent a letter to (U.S. Treasury) Secretary (Henry) Paulson and (Federal Housing Finance Agency) Director (James) Lockart to make clear that it would be unacceptable for executives of these institutions to earn a windfall at a time when U.S. Treasury has taken unprecedented steps to rescue these companies with taxpayer resources," Obama told reporters.

"I hope that the Treasury secretary is giving this matter serious consideration," he said.

Does that get your heart a'pumping? I just don't get it. Obama could charm the paint off a wall if he tried, then his campaign puts out junk like this that makes him sound like the Hundred Year Old Proofreader. More and more I'm thinking there's a big problem with his staff that needs quick and thorough fixing.


This "sticking to the plan" thing had better work. (4.00 / 1)
All along the press reports have been that Obama's campaign is sticking to their plan.  Well, great, but we're all waiting to see it and it had better work.  They just ran a great convention and chose a good, grownup VP.  They did good.  But they'd better have a plan to build these next weeks around the issues, cause we're getting close enough to the End of Days that minor stories have the potential to flare up and distract.  October is not the time to start your attacks, though September might be.  Like yesterday would have been great.

Anyway, if they start hitting hard on policy, and hit McCain hard on policy throughout the debates, then they can do this still, and even get their landslide.  But as Josh Marshall has been screaming, they do need to go on offense and set the terms of the debate they want to have.  I assume they want to have real arguments about health care, Iraq, taxes, Afghanistan, global warming, trade, jobs, the economy.  And they can win that easily.  But they'd better start.


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Obama is between a rock and a hard place as to language (4.00 / 1)
He was not raised here so his street talk is probably non-existent. He grew up with two parents who had their PHD's so he was not going to walk around like a rapper. He climbed up the ladder on his looks, charm, brains and ambition to be somebody. Michelle is the same coming from the black middle class that honors politeness. I don't see her ever being sassy and dissing, at least not in any kind of public environment. She is a lady, but I am sure she knows people who know how to tough talk. This is where Obama's foreign ways go against him.

He is not going to come out and trash talk and have people call him a n......


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You made my point much better than I did. n.t (0.00 / 0)


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I hate one dimension "why he's losing" stories (4.00 / 2)
Also, in my opinion, he's doing a good job creating separation with McCain.  

Think about it - to the degree that there is a shift away from Obama, it has to do with Palin being injected into the race.

That's a tribal signal - as Billmon calls it.

Tribal to the core.

Just take a look at Bowers previous post, where the outlines of the election are resembling the 2004 contest, as the tribal dimensions reassert themselves.

Obama has done a lot right, in my opinion - although, you can make the case pretty strongly that Obama should have picked Clinton.  As Palin would have done NOTHING then.

But then you could say, that McCain would have found some other way to counter a Clinton pick.  Such as Guiliani, from New York, and as an attack dog.  

Also, the money situation is worrying - it appears that those of us who give, there is a limit to how much people will give.  And the campaign is bumping up against it.

But, really - the corporate tilt in the media, that always makes it IOKIYAAR.  The 10 year personal popularity of John McCain.  Whatever Bradley type effect there is, given Obama's name and race.  The double standard in narratives (witness the constant lying by the Mccain campaign, and not getting called on it.)

There is a lot that any democratic candidate would start in the hole from, on the campaign level, despite the substance level of the mismanagement of the last 8 years.

At any rate, PLEASE refrain from this shallow type of analysis.


No... (4.00 / 2)
Obama is slipping because of McCain's RNC bounce.  Whether or not the bounce sticks we still don't know.  To assign blame to Obama over this is absurd.

Now, if you want to talk about whether Obama has done enough to mitigate McCain's bounce, that's another matter.  But McCain's lead right now is from his RNC bounce.


Whose side? (4.00 / 2)
The following is from The Audacity of Hope:

"Increasingly I found myself spending time with people of means-law firm partners and investment bankers, hedge fund managers, and venture capitalists. As a rule, they were smart, interesting people, knowledgeable about public policy, liberal in their politics, expecting nothing more than a hearing of their opinions in exchange for their checks."

At his worst, I have have my doubts as to whether Obama, in fact, knows which side he is on.


Actually, I think he does know what side he's on (0.00 / 0)
He's on the side of the managerial/Mandarin class, that looks primarily after the plutocratic interests, and only secondarily after the interests of the public.

Looked at this way, is he all that different from McCain? While he may lean more towards the populism side of issues than McCain, apparently McCain is doing a better job pretending otherwise.

Furthermore, he's been successful as a Senator being non-
confrontational. So, right now he's actually out of his element, though I don't think he fully realizes it. Oddly enough, this may be the greater part of the value of McCain's military service to his campaign. McCain has gone into a war zone, knowing that he might not come back. That certainly focussed his mind, and may be making it easier for him to transition into a more confrontational mode.

So, I think David has a point or two.

It pains me to think what might have been if he had been verbally smacked down by progressives, more. Besides not throwing progressive issues under the bus to the extent he has, it might have brought out the fighter in him. More aggressive progressives would have also given him some examples to follow.

Some people might not take what I'm about to write, seriously, but I'm going to write it, anyway. When I was a freshman in college, I got briefly mugged, and partly for that reason, I took up tae-kwon-do. After a couple of months or so, I got so aggressive that I was concerned I'd "go off" on somebody. So I quit. There's no doubt in my mind that putting oneself in a position where aggressiveness is demanded helps to bring that out. Sometimes too much....

To help Obama transition from a consensual mode to a more confrontational mode, I honestly believe that some martial arts might be just what the doctor ordered. It certainly hasn't hurt Putin.  :-)  If he's auditioning for a role as an alpha male, he needs to act the part. I don't really want a hot head in the Oval Office, or somebody who beats his chest and says lunatic things like he'd be willing to "obliterate" Iran, so he needs to find the sweet spot.

Since he plays basketball, instead of martial arts, he can play pickup basketball, especially 1 on 1, where no fouls are called, and his opponent makes a point of throwing elbows, fouling him when he goes up for a shot, and shoving for a rebound. It'll help if he gets somebody to trash-talk to him, also.

If he's really desperate, well, he can watch reruns of Rocky! :-)


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Did we ever consider the notion (0.00 / 0)
that despite what Americans say in polls about Bush and the Republicans, they actually want John McCain to govern this country?  

The only good thing about all of this (0.00 / 0)
is that if Obama loses, we can put all of this namby-pamby, higher standards, be nice, be polite, don't be disruptive bullshit aside and find a candidate who is willing to say that Repigs are delusional fools, greedy bastards, and incompetent liars.  The proof of it is overwhelming, but the need to be "nice" keeps the party leaders from saying so.

Unfortunately, we are so far removed from any rational politics that even if he wins, we will hardly have made any progress against the Christianist, corporate idiots.


Do we have a candidate like that? (0.00 / 0)


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Yeah, just like we did after 2000 (4.00 / 1)
and 2004

and 2006

What's the definition of doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result?

War is Peace; Freedom is Slavery; Ignorance is Strength; McCain/Palin 2008


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I don't want to sound like someone I'm not (0.00 / 0)
but that was the one problem with Obama. He was naive enough to think this time it would be different and we were naive enough to believe it.

In hindsight, looking back, as angry as I was about Hillary's scorched earth strategy, boy a little of that would really help right now.

Although I'm not sure it would've won us the election, just make people think Hillary is nasty and mean.  


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Uh - praying? (0.00 / 0)
"to address God or a god with adoration, confession, supplication, or thanksgiving"
:D

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I Will Now Contradict Myself--Sort Of (4.00 / 3)
I recently weighed in on Chris's Diary, No Single Cause For Obama's Deficit, agreeing with him, and saying that I had been working on a similarly-themed diary myself.  So now I'm going to turn around and agree with David, here, a seemingly contradictory stand.

Or is it?

Before answering that, I just want to note a contradiction I see in Obama's self-description.  David writes:

But in most of the public debate, Obama essentially says that question doesn't need to be answered - that he's a consensus builder on everyone's side, and that, as he suggested in my interview with him for The Nation in 2006, he can avoid real confrontations. As he said:
    "The question is, Do you let confrontations arise as a consequence of your putting forward a positive vision of what needs to happen and letting the confrontation organically emerge, or do you go out of your way for it?"

The answer on a campaign (which is, after all, an electoral confrontation) is not to "let confrontations organically emerge" - that's the way to be on the defensive all the time. No, the answer on a campaign is yes, go out of your way to shape, build and embrace confrontation in a way that draws a contrast.

As I see it, Obama's problem here is that he has run away from putting forward a positive vision, precisely because it would lead to a confrontation emerging organically.  In short, he was bullshitting David back in 2006, and he's been bullshitting progressives one way or another ever since.  In short, Obama won't be anything for us, more than a weathervane.

That's not a surprise, really.  At least not to me.  That's teh way I've always seen him.  He is broadly progressive, because he has to be.  But when you narrow it down to specific options, he's "nuanced" so much that it leaves your head spinning.  Where it doesn't really challenge entrenched power, the nuance really can be as advertised, a subtle web of connected policies.  But where entrenched power is challenged--over NAFTA, for exacmple--the nuance all runs sharply to the center-right.

This is our problem always.  But it's Obama's problem now, because it just might could cost him the election.

And here is where my seeming contradiction gets resolved.  See, I long ago recoginzed that Obama would not be on our side.  He would straddle and straddle and straddle some more.  He would be the epitome of Cream's song:

I support the left, tho' I'm leanin', leanin' to the right
I support the left, tho' I'm leanin' to the right
But I'm just not there when it's coming to a fight.

Furthermore, it's no accident whatsoever that this is the sort of candidate we have.  Clinton would not have been substantially different in the long run, though her method of getting there would have been different.  Nor is Joe Biden, full of praise for John McCain, materially different from either of them.  This is the crowd of "leaders" we have to deal with, and given that reality, we have to approach our situation in a complex, multi-causal fashion.

In short:  there is a simple answer, but there's no simple way to get to it.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


Why tolerate mediocrity? (0.00 / 0)
"Where it doesn't really challenge entrenched power, the nuance really can be as advertised, a subtle web of connected policies.  But where entrenched power is challenged--over NAFTA, for exacmple--the nuance all runs sharply to the center-right. "

Not fighting entrenched interests is my impression of most Democrats. But let's focus on Obama...

"This is the crowd of "leaders" we have to deal with, and given that reality, we have to approach our situation in a complex, multi-causal fashion."

You must have more patience than me. I say, slap the man down, verbally. Make him worry not just about what McCain is up to, but what progressives are up to. At the very least, it'll help bring out the fighter in him, so if he wins and uses his new-found office and aggressiveness to further decimate the middle class, people can start working to defeat his re-election from the get go, and not allow themselves to be deluded that Obama cares a fig whether or not the middle class goes extinct, whether or not the 4th Amendent is taken seriously, whether or not Obama is "change we can believe in".

Why not pick an issue - you mention NAFTA - and take out ads challenging Obama on it, telling him that the change he is offering is laughable, and to give us a reason to vote for him? For those people who cower at thought of possibly helping McCain, half the ad can be 50% about verbally slapping him down. In light of global warming, isn't "drill here, drill now" just looney? It's not like McCain offers a shortage of material to slap him down with, either.

I've read recent accounts that we may only have 100 months left, as a planet, before runaway, irreversible global warming ensues. With stakes like these, is patience a virtue? Is there a problem with telling the world that we will vote for Obama, but hold our noses, and tell them exactly why we are holding our noses? With any luck, Obama will be offended enough to remember such ads.

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Because it's too late (0.00 / 0)
Why not do something, take out ads, think of something new better?? Because it's too late. We state voting early in this state, in many states. So, Oct. 15th, if he hasn't convinced the majority of voters by then, it's lost. Republicans still know how to hack machines etc and steal votes. We have to win by a lot so that a theft would be too obvious for Republicans to try.  

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What percentage of voters votes early? (0.00 / 0)
I don't recall any figure, for any state, but I'll bet it's less than 5% of the total, for all states. (That's obviously a guess.)

Strictly speaking, in terms of the time involved, I don't think it's too late. But raising money might be a completely different matter. Also, I don't know how much lead time you need to buy air time on TV. In these tough economic times, though, I'll guess it's not that much.

I think the net/net is that there's lots of time and there could be lots of money, but there needs to be progressive leaders buying in to the concept, very quickly.

Where are those progressive leaders? Naomi Klein has recently called for progressives not to be doormats. (See her interview at therealnews.com). Some of the openleft heavies are (thankfully) vocal. However, I somehow doubt that either Klein or Matt Stoller, etc., have given serious thought to going after Obama in the manner I'm suggesting.

I'd be thrilled if somebody told me I was wrong. :-)

I want to say, also, that it's past time to get verbally aggressive. IMO, the failure to even ATTEMPT impeachment of Bushco was an act of moral treason on the part of many Democrats, such as Nancy Pelosi. Even if an effort gets started a little too late to have much of an effect on Obama's performance in this election, there's still the future of America to worry about. Even if Nancy Pelosi is removed from the office which she has disgraced, I'm sure there will still be lots of other deadwood.

Where were the TV ads, paid for by progressives, calling for Pelosi to resign? (For that matter, where were the TV ads calling for Bush to resign, since the Democrats refused to impeach him?)

They're were NOWHERE. It shouldn't require a presidential election to speak truth to power. If progressives had gotten verbally aggressive on the national stage with the crappy Democrats that facilitated Bush, they might have successfully prodded them to attempt impeachment. While impeachment should only be done for transgressions deserving of it, (not mere politics), can you imagine where the Democrats would be today if they had shown the country that they had a backbone?

The Democrats could have run Bozo the Clown for president, and he would have beaten any and all Republicans.

OK, I'm exaggerating, but I hope my point is clear. We still have some right of free speech, and it's not too late to exercize it. This is an imperative that transcends national elections. This requires moral courage and leadership.

This means not just lambasting Republicans - that's far too easy. It means telling Democrats, in a very public way, exactly where they're wrong, and what their priorities should be.



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As the old union song goes (4.00 / 1)

They say in Harlan County
There are no neutrals there.
You'll either be a union man
Or a thug for J. H. Blair.

Obama is a center-left politician who clearly doesn't savor confrontation. I don't think he's ever claimed to be anything else. He is what he is and I don't think we'll see a lot of change in the next fifty days.  He's banking on being able to get his message across that he has a better tempermanent and better policies.  He's had some good luck and some bad luck.  His bad luck was having his convention first.  McCain not only stole his bounce, but he's firming up some of the red states Obama thought he might force the GOP to spend money in.  Now it looks like a fight to the finish in Florida, Ohio, Michigan, and Colorado.  If Obama can sell his message in three of those four states, he probably wins.  If not, I'm going to drink a lot of bourbon.


This is beautiful (0.00 / 0)
Well said.

This campaign has become about biography (4.00 / 2)
And Obama allowed it to be about McCain's biography, which gets nothing but effusive, let's-all-take-a-moment-of-silent-prayer-in-honor-of-his-mind-blowing-heroism praise from all quarters, including Obama and his toothless attack dog Joe Biden.

Axelrod, Plouffe et al decided to make Obama's brand about post-partisan, issues-based optimism in the interregnum years after 04, and before the primaries. They based it on the cool detachment people felt after the fires of Kerry v Bush: that clearly, after everything has so obviously gone to hell during Bush's second term, the American people would focus on how policy actually affects their lives and the direction of the nation. It wouldn't be about personality and character because that's what 2004 was about, and look what it got us. I bet focus groups probably really supported that approach, too.

But here's the bottom line, and Obama's current free-fall is bearing this out, as far as I'm concerned: the only "opinions on what matters" that matter -- if you follow me -- are those that people hold ("feel" is more apt, I think) in the heat of the campaign battle. What people think is important when two candidates aren't duking it out are irrelevant. When they don't actually have a real, flesh-and-blood choice in front of them then it's all abstract -- cerebral, measured, intellect-based -- kinda like Obama himself. What matters when people have a choice between two human beings are things they can grasp most easily, like a candidate's personality and character. Not  tax policies and plans for energy independence. They said they cared about those things when the campaign war was over, and before it began anew, but in the months leading up to the actual big day of November 4th, it increasingly comes down to connecting with a candidate on a personal level. And McCain's blood and guts story moves people so much more than Obama's stint at Harvard Law, yada yada yada.

By extension, of course, they will say issues and policy ideas matter the most when this campaign is over, too. Smart strategists will focus on how people behave from June through November 4th of any election year, and ignore the preceding four years. Clearly, Bush's madness has been forgotten.

Obama has failed to go after McCain's greatest strength -- his biography -- and tear it down the way Rove tore down Kerry's. If Rove had allowed people to respect and admire John Kerry's war heroism the way people are now admiring and praising McCain's, he would not have been doing his job -- and Kerry would not have been an object of ridicule, and hence would have done better, and hence could very possibly have won.

So for me the fatal flaw in Obama's messaging began a long time ago, because when I hear "post-partisan" I hear "totally fucking clueless."

I hope and pray that I am wrong. I really do. I think Obama's policies are sound, and I think McCain is so crazy that he will use battlefield nukes. Don't even get me started on his whack-job creationist sidekick. But I think that as long as they let McCain's greatest strength stand -- not to mention praising it endlessly -- they're going to lose. And the GOTV means squat to me.  


When It Gets Right Down To It (0.00 / 0)
Everything you're saying is obvious, if folks just stop and think about it.

Which is why the Democrtatic consultant class will dismiss you without a thought.

Because they have no thought.

They are the GOP's boring twin.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Polls (0.00 / 0)
I guess if the Republicans can't steal an election one way, they will try another.  We just had a great convention when compared to the Republicans and a truly great acceptance speech by Obama.  McCain's speech was just so so.  Now the polls are showing that McCain is blowing Obama out in the national polls and even in the state polls.  How is that even possible considering the enthusiasm for Obama of the Democrats polled before this week?  I truly think the answer is in the details of these national polls.  The samples of people polled does not reflect the percentage of Democrats and Republicans in this country.  Hell yes, McCain is now leading.  No wonder since they have skewed the numbers to favor him.  I am simply not going to look at these polls any more because this is just too fishy for words and somebody needs to call them on it.  They figured they couldn't rig the voting machines this year so that McCain could win so they are going to suppress our voters by making them think Obama has already lost.  Disgusting!!

Save the attacks for McCain (0.00 / 0)
Why does this site continually attack the Dem. candidate more than the Republican? Stupid.. completely stupid.. If he loses, you can all spit on him then.

It's just that Obama creates such high expectations (0.00 / 0)
for us. He is brilliant, creative, intelligent, sincere and all those things that matter. He doesn't pretend to be what he is not, a full blown fire-breathing progressive.

Hillary sounds that way but doesn't walk the walk and neither did Clinton when he figured out he couldn't rule that way. There are deep philosophical issues in being a complete progressive that I don't want to get into here. Bernard Henri-Levy gets into them in his American Vertigo and The End of History. We are at a true historical crossroads here. Toynbee theory predicts well our disintegration and our choices and options are narrowing as we blog.

So what do people do who live in times like these. If Obama wins I think he can pull us out of the slide, level it off for awhile, and create some breathing room. But that's it. The American character is too weak, too compromised, too ignorant to reinvent itself en masse. It is up to the creative minority (us) to lead the masses. I only see our setting up a Universal State that will end the strife for awhile. I see Russia trying to reinstate the Soviet Universal State but I don't think they will make it. China and Asia are ascendent, in growth mode, but not out of the woods because their factories are going to collapse when no one wants to buy American kitsch anymore. Just think of all they have tied up in making that Wal-Mart crap.

NAFTA is going to become irrelevant. It depends on cheap oil. Who the fuck is going to buy plastic garbage cans shipped from China to the west coast, and then trucked all over the US to big box stores named Wal-Mart. I mean who will want them, who will buy them.

If Obama wins he is going to face a meltdown unprecedented in our history. I think he is the only candidate that has the creative genius and world experience to think of a way to meet it. It is not going to be anything he expects. And that goes for us too.


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Although he's talked about "Chicago Rules" (4.00 / 2)
He still seems to be operating on the belief that they don't really apply to this situation, that he can wage a civil, low-key, respectful campaign based on the actual issues, rather than on the framing of the issues, and on the people doing the framing.

McCain is a dishonest corporate shill who has been lying through his teeth while promoting some truly awful and failed policies. The evidence for it is MASSIVE. Why Obama won't go on the full-throated attack on this is beyond me, via ads, speeches and the right surrogates, sent out with coordinated and sharp talking points.

Yes, he has started to attack, but it's still way too low-key and respectful. Enough with the "John McCain is a good man, but..." bullshit. He is NOT a good man! He's a creepy GOP hack who's successfully sold the media and public on a fake "maverick" persona. And now Palin's trying to do the same thing, hockey mom edition.

And Obama is LETTING them do this, by not attacking it explicitely, and going after them on issues alone rather than on issues AND character and personality. Their policies suck, and the reason that their policies suck is because THEY suck. Obviously, this would have to be stated in a more sophisticated manner. But that should be the gist of it.

If Obama isn't comfortable saying what he's FOR, then he should at least be clearer and more forceful in saying what he's AGAINST--i.e. the GOP, its ideology, policies, failures and lies, and its current standard-bearers--poster figures for all that's WRONG with America today.

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton


oh, whatever (4.00 / 1)
Do the frontpagers on this site do anything except hyperventilate and wring their hands over every dip in the polls?

This Naderite bullshit--that Democrats lose because they don't pander to the leftier-than-thou crowd by talking about repealing NAFTA or whatever issue of the day floats the lefty-left boat--is totally baseless.

Obama is running the same campaign Bill Clinton did--universal health care, economic assistance for working-class families, and doing something for the environment. Gore ran the same campaign in 2000. So did Kerry in 2004.

The reason Clinton won and the other two didn't get to be president didn't have anything to do with the campaign they ran.

Clinton won because Perot split the vote, and because Bush Sr. didn't have the full support of the religious right. Gore won, but was prevented from assuming the office in a coup orchestrated by the Supreme Court. Kerry faced a wartime incumbent, a nation hysterical with fear after 9/11, and a smear campaign dirtier than any other in living memory.

Obama will win because the economic royalists have decided he'll make a better caretaker of their interests than McCain. McCain's too much of a loose cannon, too unmanageable. Obama is much more pliable and a much better front man for them, with his smooth charm and rhetorical skills.

Otherwise the media echo chamber would be endlessly going on about how he's supposedly a radical Islamic terrorist, much the same way they went on about Kerry's supposed cowardice in Vietnam.

The fix is in. Never again will the masters of the corporate state have to do anything so crude as steal an election in full view of the public.

Only willing dupes will be allowed to come anywhere near the presidency. If a true statesman, like Gore, somehow manages to get close, he will be preemptively shouted down by a media chorus of jeers and smears.

Obama will only be allowed to be president insofar as he toes the line. And that he is happy to do. Throughout his career, he has risen by showing the powerful entrenched interests whose favor is so necessary to his advancement that they have nothing to fear from him. The presidency is no different for him.

And so we will see a Democratic victory at long last, but one that will ultimately prove to be hollow and disappointing.


This Is Really Great! (0.00 / 0)
I totally can't tell if this comment is (a) just pure, wignut-style unconscious projection, (b) a hilarious put-on, or (c) intentionally designed to appear as both (a) and (b).

So, regardless of whether it's intentional or not, I can only conclude it's a masterpiece, and let it go at that.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


[ Parent ]
"We all hate Obama because he disappoints us so........ (0.00 / 0)
and we're all so special because we're the true progressives."
A pox on this crap...

Go run for elected office under the "truly special progressive party" and let's see how wonderfully you do.

In the meantime fester in the hand-wringing and the armchair general poses you have made for yourselves.  


You know, it is one thing to parade your (0.00 / 0)
self-righteous uninformed self here, where the readership is not devastatingly large.  But for you to go on Rachel's show with its near 2 million audience, and to claim Sen. Obama is not appropriately populist and not singularly focused on the economy is just the kind of Democratic knives that kill Dem candidates time and time again.

Have you watched any of his townhalls/rallies since he got back from his overseas tour?  They have all been focused on the economy, he outlines, with great passion and common sense, his plans for the economy, then ties it to Iraq, education and health care and connects the dots.

With friends like these...

We are out here busting our chops to register and turn out voters and there you are on national TeeVee, your ignorance of the facts about Sen. Obama and all, undermining everything we are doing.  I hope you are really proud of your ignorant preening.  

If you really are a friend of the Dems and you want them to win, do yourself and us a favor:  find out what the campaign is doing, then go on air.  We have too many ignoramus pundits on TeeVee already dumping on Dems without friends like you jumping in on the act.


Just saw Sirota on Maddow's show (0.00 / 0)
He did a good job. I think some of the comments here improved his presentation there.


John McCain doesn't care about Vets.



Yeah, good performance, all in all (0.00 / 0)
But pls lets not ridiculously exaggerate the impact of our comments here. Plus, the situation was a bit different, too. Talking with Maddow on NBC isn't the same as having a real debate on Fox News.  

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The sides you've dilineated are irrelevant (0.00 / 0)
i know how much you want this election to be a referendum on populist themes. But it refuses to be so. Instead what we have is the worn out realities of identity politics. And that is what Obama is refusing to take sides on.

How about this, David? (0.00 / 0)
Because we're at the apex of McCain's convention bounce?  Come on, man.  

No, the buck stops with Obama (4.00 / 2)
I watched the Keith Olberman interview with Obama that was a series of soft-balls and hints for the strongest answer for our side, but Obama fouled out. Obama is not a strong interviewee or debater. He hasn't learned to say the direct punchy thing that makes his point clear. Instead, Uh, ah, well, look, this is how we see it this is how I'd rather say this is better left to McCain to answer it's up to the voters who will decide buzz buzz buzz! And these are answers to questions he's had dozens of times!

If only Obama would go to school with Howard Dean who has mastered the short direct pithy answer that then pivots to what he wants to say. I saw David Sirota tonight too on Rachel's show and HE gives better replies than Obama. Michelle does, too. What is his problem?!!! Obama is a beautiful writer of speeches and books, has thought all these issues through, but he can't speak them on the fly.

Someone needs to shake up Obama. Tell him he needs to go to the Howard Dean interview and debate school. I'm heart sick.


Obama on Palin (0.00 / 0)
Just heard Obama respond to Olberman's question as to whether she is qualified to be president.

Obama hemmed and hawed and gave a weak answer-e.g. that there are no areas where Palin disagrees with Bush and McCain.

But there are, damn it.

She believes global warming is a hoax.  She believes in felony prosecutions for late term abortions. She didn't know that Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac were privately held corporations.  She had no objection, apparently, when a Jew for Jesus proposed that terrorism was Gods punishment against the Jews etc.

"These are dangerous, extremist beliefs which make any rational person deeply concerned as to her fitness to govern."  

Why would that not have been an appropriate response?


I don't judge based on polls since they were cooked (4.00 / 1)
After finally learning that the latest polls were weighted toward GOP responses - I don't believe any conclusions that Obama isn't doing well.

The Dems are out registering voters and when the corporate (or if they do) weight the polls based on the actual number of registered voters then articles like will seem silly. No offense intended.

For more info:

Busted!: Gallup, CBS, USA.Today, etc. Tinkers With Party ID Again http://www.dailykos.com/story/...


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