Can Liars Be Out Of Touch?

by: Chris Bowers

Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 13:52


On several instances recently, the Obama campaign has referred to McCain attacks as "lies." They even ran a television ad to that effect:

Today, the Obama campaign it continuing a different line of attack on McCain. By using McCain's absurd statement that "the fundamentals of our economy are strong," they are pushing the "out of touch," narrative that connects to McCain not knowing how many houses he owns, to being in Washington for 26 years, and to McCain himself saying that he is out of touch.

More on the new line of attack in the extended entry.

Chris Bowers :: Can Liars Be Out Of Touch?
Here is today's ad:


In lieu of any data to support this assertion, the second ad simply strikes me as effective. McCain's own words on several occasions can be used to support the narrative, including two huge whoppers (not knowing how many homes he owns, and claiming that the fundamentals of the economy are strong). It is kind of hard to argue with that narrative given what McCain himself has said.

However, under the surface, I think there are problems with these two lines of attack co-existing with each other. Specifically, I have to ask, can liars be out of touch? Liars willfully distort the truth, while people who are out of touch are simply ignorant. As such, I worry that juxtaposing the two attacks creates a cognitive dissonance where it isn't entirely clear how the Obama campaign is attacking McCain.

My second worry comes from my personal paid media campaign. Specifically, now that I have moved my two ads from Pennsylvania to Nevada and New Mexico, the "McCain is 95% Bush" ad is significantly outperforming the "McCain is Out Of Touch" ad across all metrics. This makes me wonder if the "out of touch" attack suffers from similar problems to the "liar" attack that Matt outlined a few days ago. Voters don't seem to care if politicians are lying in isolation, and simply proving that they are lying is not enough to diffuse the attacks they make. There needs to be a rationale about why people are lying, and perhaps there also needs to be a larger rationale about why people are out of touch.

My theory is that the "McCain is a liar" and "McCain is out of touch" needs a third attack to supplement it in order to be more effective. There needs to be a rationale explaining why he is lying and why he is out of touch that not only gives those attacks more resonance, but which also removes the cognitive dissonance between the two attacks. An attack like "McCain is cynical" and / or "McCain is an elitist" might do the trick. McCain lies because he is a cynical elitist who thinks he is better than you, and he thinks he is better than you because he is an elitist who lives differently. In this way, the "lying" and "out of touch" attacks are able to co-exist as part of a causal chain that starts with McCain being an elitist. This chain also concludes nicely with McCain being the same as Bush.

Elitist don't live like you so they are out of touch with your experience. Because they are out of touch with your experience, elitists also think they are better than you, and so they don't care if they lie to you. If this reminds you of anyone, it's George Bush.

That's my theory, anyway. It is a little complicated to test with the personal paid media campaign, but I will give it a shot today anyway. I am going to alter the "McCain is out of touch" ad to matchup with new talking points, and then also create a third ad arguing that McCain is an elitist. Hopefully, the results will be educational, and we can come closer to unlocking the right attack against McCain.  


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Given that McCain (0.00 / 0)
has successfully woven together a number of contradictory threads throughout this campaign, your observation, while quite true logically, is not of practical concern.

Also, Obama can argue that McCain lies because he's out of touch and therefore cannot conceive of real and effective solutions to our problems.  


Agreed (0.00 / 0)
"Out of touch" meaning he knows he can't relate to people because he doesn't come from the same place so lies to fool them into thinking he does.

[ Parent ]
McCain = Bush is the common theme (0.00 / 0)
Is that the ads all seem to share one powerful bond - McCain = Bush. You watch the ads, and they almost all include at least one photo of McCain with Bush, or else they mention that McCain voted with Bush 90& of the time.

And guess what -- George W. Bush shares McCain's worst qualities: he is out of touch (think Katrina) and he is a liar (Rove tactics, WMDs, etc.).

If McCain = Bush is your theme, you could also make ads about how McCain favors the rich, how he is a warmonger, how he doesn't care about average folks, etc. In other words, all of Bush's faults become McCain's.

And the best part is that they have the benefit of being true.


[ Parent ]
I don't understand - it's simple (4.00 / 1)
McCain lies because he wants to win and he'll say or do anything to accomplish that goal.

Remember this:

" I didn't decide to run for president to start a national crusade for the political reforms I believed in or to run a campaign as if it were some grand act of patriotism. In truth, I wanted to be president because it had become my ambition to be president."

 John McCain, Worth the Fighting For (2002), p. 373  


[ Parent ]
Here here (0.00 / 0)
That, to me is the third strain which ties the first two together.  I'd never seen that quote before, but it is perfect.

[ Parent ]
Hmm... (4.00 / 1)
Well, outside of the triple-attack to tie everything together, the reason the two attacks make sense is simply that they are referring to different things.  McCain lies about Obama's record, his record, and Palin's record, but then also is out of touch because he doesn't seem to care about the economy.

It's also worth pointing out that all the contradictions of the McCain campaign (Obama is a crazy extremist liberal and Obama is a typical politician) didn't seem to hurt McCain too much.  I honestly don't think most people will look at it as logically as you are, and what most people see is just 2 more negative things about John McCain.


also (0.00 / 0)
The first ad points out that McCain's CAMPAIGN is lying and dishonest.

The second ad points out that McCain HIMSELF is out of touch.

So you can be out of touch and running a dishonest campaign at the same time. These are two qualities that people see in politicians all the time.


[ Parent ]
sure.... (4.00 / 3)
I work in neurobiology.  I've met all kinds of people who are "out of touch" with commonplace reality.  Usually they confabulate (lie) to cover up their very real lack of understanding to what's going on around them.

One kind of follows the other, actually (0.00 / 0)
No contradication at all.

"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


[ Parent ]
McCain looks like he's lying and out of touch (4.00 / 2)
Just catch him on two of the morning shows today. Joe S's show and The Today Show. In both instances he comes off fully and repulsively as both a liar and as an out of touch. "Me First" 'win at all costs, 'screw any and all consequences to country and people'. He is becoming more and more repulsive to view, and I think calling him both a liar and out of touch helps viewers to keep both of those things in mind as they watch him blather on in real time.  

Has anyone else noticed Cindy's eyes recently? (0.00 / 0)
For the past couple of events, she appears to not even look at McCain, but averts her eyes.

[ Parent ]
Has anyone else noticed Cindy's eyes recently? (0.00 / 0)
For the past couple of events, she appears to not even look at McCain, but averts her eyes.

[ Parent ]
What ties them together: (4.00 / 1)
John McCain has been just making stuff up for so long that even he doesn't know what's real anymore.

John McCain says he thinks the economy is sound. Is that just a lie, or has he lost track of reality? Only he knows for sure. Maybe.


Bullshit (4.00 / 5)
(er, that would be McCain with the bullshit, not you  :-)

In reality, McCain, Bush, Palin, Cheney and others like them aren't liars quite as much as bullshiters; they simply don't care about the truth.

So really, lying and being out of touch are just different ramifications of bullshitting.


i like this. it dovetails with people's response to palin's interview. nt. (0.00 / 0)


[ Parent ]
Yes, the two attacks jibe (4.00 / 2)
Or they can, provided they're framed properly.

The problem is that "out of touch" is too mild. Not only is he cut off from the concerns and values of Americans, he's part of the corrupt, corporate-sponsored DC establishment--an establishment that lies, cheats, and steals. That's the connection. He's not out of touch as in "clueless-head-in-the-clouds. He's out of touch as in caccooned inside corrupt-DC, where lying and catering to the rich are endemic. As Lakoff says:

The job for the Obama campaign is to reverse the present mindset that the Republicans have constructed, to reveal the conservatives as elitist Washington insiders who cynically manipulate them.

McCain lies because that's what corrupt DC-insiders do. He's part of the problem, the moral rot that needs to be cleansed from DC.



here's my take: (0.00 / 0)
the lying attacks were, in large part, inside baseball.  obama was trying to tip the press against mccain -- it worked, spectacularly.  the 'out of touch' attacks are meant to appeal more to swing voters in particular states (OH, MI, PA, WV, VA, etc.).  They are operating on different levels, and are addressed to different audiences.  

While voters might not punish McCain because of lies, per se (0.00 / 0)
Voters might not believe McCain's switch to populism and turn to Obama because they don't believe McCain.  The lies prevent people from recognizing any legitimate sincerity McCain might have on an issue.

John McCain won't insure children

The other explanation (0.00 / 0)
is that "McCain is 95% Bush" is just a much better written, and more eye catching ad.  

Can people who are out-of-touch lie? (0.00 / 0)
Of course they can.

McCain's lies aren't evil genius highly-calculated Cheney-style lies.

They are the lies of a desperate and confused candidate who will say anything to win ("He called her a pig!!  He wants to teach sex to kindergarteners!!) even if it is blatantly false.

I wouldn't worry about a conflict between these themes; they are both true.

"The lightning whelk is strong, attractive, capable of growing to be one of the largest shells on the beach--and it opens to the left."


You Would Lie Too If You'd Partied With Bush (0.00 / 0)
Tristero, at Digby's blog, wrote a post entitled "McCain To Media: It's My Party And I'll Lie If I Want To", for which I though the appropriate couplet was "You Would Lie Too If You'd Partied With Bush".

The potential problem with "McCain is 95% Bush" is that we want the votes of a significant number of people who voted for Bush either once or twice. Another potential problem is that people just might not be willing to believe McCain is similar to Bush, no matter what the evidence.

The potential problem with out of touch is that it's potentially too vague and meaningless.

Maybe out of touch can be sharpened up with "McCain out of touch: thinks Americans won't work hard for even $50 an hour" or "McCain out of touch: wants to increase taxes on health care" or "McCain out of touch: wanted to give Social Security Trust Fund to Wall Street, just before the collapse"

One more point about "95% Bush", and slogans in general. Maybe it's not just a slogan in isolation that's important. Maybe what's important is the entire argument, which gives the voter space to add their own observations, and connect their own dots.

(This may be why "We'll cut wasteful spending" is an effective theme for Republicans. Everyone has their own anecdote of wasteful spending, so it's a slogan that instead of just sitting there, encourages voters to collaborate and buy into it.)

So, for example, for "McCain is 95% Bush":

1. Nobody wants the next four years to be like the last eight years. (backed up by evidence that the last 8 years has been disappointing: i.e. median income has stagnated, created millions fewer jobs than in the 80's and 90's, etc.)

2. Over the last 4 years, McCain has voted with Bush 90% of the time.

3. How can McCain be different from Bush, when he votes with Bush 90% of the time?

Really, I think all 3 themes can be used, in moderation. McCain is telling a lot of lies, McCain voted with Bush 95% of the time, McCain is out of touch, don't really contradict each other, and may be complementary.

If there was one theme I'd encourage the Obama campaign to bet the farm on, it would be: Jobs. The fundamental problem with the Bush economy is that it hasn't created enough jobs and income opportunities for non-rich Americans. The fundamental remedy for what ails us is creating more middle-class jobs. If more middle-class Americans can find good work, companies can start to make good profits again, and the housing & stock market can rebound on their own.

To pay off a mortgage, you need a good job. The fundamental reason the mortgage market collapsed is that many Americans were counting on finding a good job to pay their bills, but couldn't find one when the time came. If there aren't enough good jobs to go around, then propping up Fannie & Freddie, propping up the stock market, printing lots of money, etc. is to treat the symptoms rather than the cause.

John Edwards said it best: ". . .I believe that our tax code should honor one value above all the others: work. Work gives our lives meaning, and work gives our country stength."


Of course they can (0.00 / 0)
This doesn't seem remotely complicated to me...

McCain is out of touch - he doesn't know or care about average people or what they have to deal with.  

However, he knows that they vote so he's going to lie to you about being on your side.  He'll claim to be a populist, he'll claim to fight "special interests" and "lobbyists" but really he'll just keep supporting the same Republican policies that have ruined our economy.

In fact, the foundation of "McCain is a liar" which has been built over the last two weeks only seems to help now that the shiny object which has the media's attention this cycle happens to actually be an issue.  "McCain doesn't know what to do about the economy because he doesn't think there's a problem.  All his solutions are just more attempts to pretend he's a maverick.  But why would you risk the guy who's probably lying to you about the economy when you can get the real deal with Obama?"

Seems like an effective combo to me.


McCain will do anything to win (0.00 / 0)
Unfortunately he has forgotten why he wanted to be President in the first place.

John McCain - liar
John McCain - out of touch
John McCain - sell out
John McCain - wrong for America


You're over-analyzing... (0.00 / 0)

...but I hope the Obama campaign is testing what is effective in new ads, and re-doubling the most successful ones.

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