Presidential Forecast, 9/22: Deep Blue Firewall

by: Chris Bowers

Mon Sep 22, 2008 at 15:22


Electoral College: Obama 247, McCain 193 Toss-up 98 (270 to win)
National popular vote: Obama 48.0%--44.3% McCain


(Dark Blue (188): Obama +7.6% or more
Lean Blue (58): Obama +2.6%-+7.5%
White / Toss-up (98): Obama +2.5% to McCain +2.5%
Lean Red (47): McCain +2.6%-+7.5%
Dark Red (146): McCain +7.6% or more
)

Swing State Overview (270 to win, 269 to tie)
(Swing States are defined as states closer than 5.0%. If a state isn't listed, it isn't that close right now.)
State EV's Obama % McCain % Margin Obama Total
Obama Base 201 201
Maine-AL* 2 50.0% 46.0% +4.0% 203
Michigan 17 47.8% 43.8% +4.0% 220
Oregon 7 51.0% 47.0% +4.0% 227
Minnesota 10 49.0% 45.7% +3.3% 237
Wisconsin 10 48.3% 45.3% +3.0% 247
Ohio 20 47.5% 46.0% +1.5% 267
Pennsylvania 21 45.5% 44.5% +1.0% 288
Maine-02* 2 -- -- +0.8% 289
Virginia 13 47.3% 47.0% +0.3% 302
Nevada 5 45.0% 46.0% -1.0% 307
Florida 27 45.8% 47.6% -1.8% 334
Indiana 11 45.2% 47.6% -2.4% 345
New Hampshire 4 45.0% 48.0% -3.0% 349
Missouri 11 45.0% 49.0% -4.0% 360
West Virginia 5 45.0% 49.0% -4.0% 365
North Carolina 15 43.2% 47.4% -4.2% 380
McCain Base 158 158

Due to the high number of polls this year, I have tightened the range of dates for the polls that are included in the averages. This change has resulted in the old "firewall" of Colorado, Iowa and New Mexico all turning dark blue. Colorado might be a fluke, but recent polling makes it clear that Iowa and New Mexico will be blue states this year.

With the firewall in place, in order to win the election all Obama would have to do is hold the Kerry states. In most cases this isn't really an issue, but there are two exceptions: New Hampshire and Pennsylvania. McCain has long been successful in New Hampshire, although his current lead could simply be that ARG had a bad poll in the state (wouldn't be the first time). Obama's lead in Pennsylvania is surprisingly weak. McCain is spending 20% of his paid media here, nearly doubling up Obama in the state. Also, friends of mine indicate that while the campaign is putting up record numbers of field contacts through voter registration and door knocking, they still aren't hitting their target numbers. The field offices in Philadelphia are also located in more well to do areas, because they were located where local funders wanted them.

Could Pennsylvania and New Hampshire be problem areas? If not, then everything looks fine right now. If so, then we have left the backdoor open. State by state details in the extended entry.  

Chris Bowers :: Presidential Forecast, 9/22: Deep Blue Firewall
Solid Obama: 184 Electoral Votes
State EV's Obama % McCain % Margin # Polls
California 55 53.0% 39.0% +14.0% 1
Colorado 9 51.0% 41.0% +10.0% 1
Connecticut 7 53.0% 41.0% +12.0% 1
Delaware 3 51.0% 40.0% +11.0% 1
D.C. 3 82.0% 13.0% +69.0% 1
Hawaii 4 63.0% 32.0% +31.0% 1
Illinois 21 54.0% 39.5% +14.5% 4
Iowa 7 50.8% 42.8% +8.0% 4
Maryland 10 54.0% 39.0% +15.0% 1
Massachusetts 12 54.0% 38.0% +16.0% 1
New Jersey 15 51.0% 42.3% +8.7% 3
New Mexico 5 52.0% 43.3% +8.7% 3
New York 31 55.0% 40.0% +15.0% 2
Rhode Island 4 58.0% 39.0% +19.0% 1
Vermont 3 57.5% 36.0% +21.5% 2

Lean Obama: 58 Electoral Votes
State EV's Obama % McCain % Margin # Polls
Maine-AL* 2 50.0% 46.0% +4.0% 1
Maine-01* 1 -- -- +7.2% 0
Michigan 17 47.8% 43.8% +4.0% 4
Minnesota 10 49.0% 45.7% +3.3% 3
Oregon 7 51.0% 47.0% +4.0% 1
Washington 11 48.5% 43.0% +5.5% 2
Wisconsin 10 48.3% 45.3% +3.0% 3

Toss-up: 98 Electoral Votes
State EV's Obama % McCain % Margin # Polls
Florida 27 45.8% 47.6% -1.8% 5
Indiana 11 45.2% 47.6% -2.4% 5
Maine-02* 1 -- -- +0.8% 0
Nevada 5 45.0% 46.0% -1.0% 1
Ohio 20 47.5% 46.0% +1.5% 2
Pennsylvania 21 45.5% 44.5% +1.0% 2
Virginia 13 47.3% 47.0% +0.3% 3

Lean McCain: 47 Electoral Votes
State EV's Obama % McCain % Margin # Polls
Louisiana 9 43.0% 50.0% -7.0% 1
Missouri 11 45.0% 49.0% -4.0% 1
Montana 3 44.5% 51.0% -6.5% 2
New Hampshire 4 45.0% 48.0% -3.0% 1
North Carolina 15 43.2% 47.4% -4.2% 5
West Virginia 5 45.0% 49.0% -4.0% 1

Solid McCain: 146 Electoral Votes
State EV's Obama % McCain % Margin # Polls
Alabama 9 35.0% 61.0% -26.0% 2
Alaska 3 38.0% 55.0% -17.0% 1
Arizona 10 39.0% 56.0% -17.0% 1
Arkansas 6 39.0% 52.0% -13.0% 1
Georgia 15 41.5% 54.8% -13.3% 4
Idaho 4 33.0% 62.0% -29.0% 1
Kansas 6 31.0% 63.0% -32.0% 1
Kentucky 8 37.0% 55.0% -18.0% 1
Mississippi 6 39.0% 55.0% -14.0% 2
Nebraska-AL** 2 34.0% 60.0% -26.0% 1
Nebraska-01** 1 -- -- -20.0% 0
Nebraska-02** 1 -- -- -15.0% 0
Nebraska-03** 1 -- -- -44.0% 0
North Dakota 3 41.5% 52.5% -11.0% 2
Oklahoma 7 35.0% 60.0% -25.0% 2
South Carolina 8 41.0% 55.0% -14.0% 2
South Dakota 3 39.0% 55.0% -16.0% 1
Tennessee 11 36.0% 59.0% -23.0% 1
Texas 34 36.0% 57.0% -21.0% 1
Utah 5 29.0% 65.0% -36.0% 1
Wyoming 3 28.0% 66.0% -38.0% 1

* Maine's four electoral votes are awarded as follows: two for the statewide winner, and one for the winner of each congressional district. ME-01 is about 3.5% more Democratic than the state as a whole, while ME-02 is about 3.5% less Democratic than the state as a whole.

** Nebraska's five electoral votes are awarded as follows: two for the statewide winner, and one for the winner of each congressional district. NE-01 is about 6.0% more Democratic than the state as a whole, NE-02 is about 11.0% more Democratic than the state as a whole, and NE-03 is about 18.0% less Democratic than the state as a whole.

Methodology
The forecast is updated whenever there are enough new polls to warrant an update. The methodology for the forecast is simple and straightforward.

  1. For each state, all polls conducted where the majority of interviews were condcuted within the last 7 days are included in the averages. There are two exceptions to this rule.
  2. The first exception are states where the majority of interviews for no polls were conducted in the last 7 days. Every state has at least one poll.
  3. The second exception comes with polling firms that have conducted more than one poll in a state over the last 7 days. Every polling firm only has one poll per average.
  4. No polling firm discrimination whatsoever. Polls are never excluded because the organization has a bad or partisan reputation.

During the final two weeks of the election, only polls taken entirely within the past seven days will be included in the averages (with the same exceptions listed above, of course).


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Chris (0.00 / 0)
You forgot Oregon in the 'Lean Obama' Table in the extended entry....the total (58 EV) for this group does include OR however.

Thanks for catching that (4.00 / 1)
fixed.

[ Parent ]
Chris, Mason-Dixon PA poll... (0.00 / 0)
Did you include that?  It was only a 2 point Obama lead, but wasn't sure how big the apparent ARG PA lead was...

Yep (0.00 / 0)
Its included. I updated all the way until a minute before this was published. Includes all polls currently out there (although, in an hour or two, it probably won't anymore).

[ Parent ]
What's up with Maine? (0.00 / 0)
it was solid Obama for the longest time.  If we lose ME-02 we could lose the election 270-268 if we take Kerry + IA + NM + CO - NH.


Yes, but (0.00 / 0)
Only one poll from Maine in the last week, and it is a far outlier from earlier polls in the state. I wouldn't worry. I'm sure the next poll will disprove the current one.

[ Parent ]
Philly Field Office (4.00 / 3)
Total anecdote, but they have a Germantown field office at Wayne and Chelten, not exactly a well to do area.  And from that field office they are canvassing a lot of working class areas in Germantown, Nicetown and Tioga.

Also (4.00 / 1)
It also looks like they have one in similar areas: one in North Philly, one in Oak Lane, one in Frankford, one in South Philly, etc.  So, while there are C City and Mt Airy field offices, too they appear to be pretty spread around racially and economically.

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[ Parent ]
My Old Stomping Grounds (0.00 / 0)
I was a manager at the Germantown Food Coop back in 1979 or so.  Had other gigs and three or four digs over a period of 2-3 years.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

[ Parent ]
Really? (0.00 / 0)
Weavers Way, or a different one?

I grew up in SW Germantown. Morris Street than Schuyler St.


[ Parent ]
oh (0.00 / 0)
My mom informs me there was one actually in Gtown itself.

Paul, you are offically the DFHiest of the DFHs.


[ Parent ]
Guilty As Charged! But, It's Been So Long... (0.00 / 0)
that I forget all the street names. But I was a member of a small one in a church basement by virtue of the first house I moved into. (Just checked Google Maps.  I think I lived on Baynton at first, near Walnut.  The other places were more towards Chelten or beyond.)

Some crotchety neighbors closed it down around the time I moved out into another household that were members of the Germantown Coop.  They asked me if I'd do their monthly stint volunteering, and I said, "Sure!"  By the end of the shift, I had an offer to join the staff, as they'd just had a bit of a shakeup.

Didn't hurt that I'd helped to set up several different coops before that, and was an old hand at dealing with deliveries and stuff.

Of course, before Germantown, I lived in Powelton Village, back during the Rizzo era raid on Move.  I was on the same street, just down the next block.  A stray bullet could have hit me as I slept in that morning in the attic.

We had a food coop there, too.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


[ Parent ]
Powelton... (0.00 / 0)
Ha.  My parents lived there too, before they moved to Gtown around 1980.  Rizzo should have dealt with you all right proper.

Where/when did you live in Powelton?


[ Parent ]
On Powelton Between 34th and 35th (0.00 / 0)
I lived there for only a couple of months before and after the Move house was attacked.  So, maybe late June 1978 to maybe October or November?  I'm sort of hazy on when I moved, but I'm pretty sure it was before it snowed that winter. After that, I moved to Germantown, and I think I was there a month or so before the first snow.

Being a California boy, snow was a big thing, even though I had lived back east before for a little bit.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


[ Parent ]
Another (4.00 / 1)
old food co-op person!  I was heavily involved in KY and an organizer of the Kentucky Alliance of Coops.  I sometimes attended meetings of the Federation of Ohio River Coops (warehouse in Columbus).  

Oh, the old days.    


[ Parent ]
There's also one in Chester (City). (0.00 / 0)
  No national campaign has ever put an office in Chester.  It is a very poor city (heavily Democratic and black) which generally has atrocious voter turnout.  Kerry never touched Chester; he left the heavy lifting to the local machine.

John McCain lets lobbyists shape his economic policy

[ Parent ]
Are the PA numbers flipped? (0.00 / 0)
The table shows McCain ahead 1%, but the margin (and the position) is at +1%, not -1%.  Makes a big difference.

Where did the Maine figures come in? (0.00 / 0)
Did someone actually poll the breakdown in CDs?

Also, I know Ras had a close ME poll (about 4 points), but then another poll came out with Obama way ahead.  I'm not sure how your numbers square with that... unless there was another Maine poll that came out I'm unaware of.


I see no Maine poll since Rasmussen's latest (0.00 / 0)
Link.

If you can point me to another Maine poll, feel free to do so.


[ Parent ]
Hmm... I must be thinking of the R2k/Kos poll... (0.00 / 0)
Which, you're right, is too early.

Still, is the breakdown just based on historical trends of CD-2 being about 3.2 points worse than the state as a whole?


[ Parent ]
North Carolina (0.00 / 0)
Remains a puzzle.  Recent polling appears to confirm a close race.  It remains in my eyes the biggest surprise.  

Floodgates Scenario (0.00 / 0)
I think NC is one of the states that could go blue if the floodgates burst for McCain, and that's entirely possible if the bad economic news keeps coming. 380 EV's isn't impossible. In fact, it might only take one more straw-breaking-the-camels-back moment.

[ Parent ]
NC reg. (4.00 / 1)
Now up to +757,000 Democrats over republicans versus +672,000 in January 2005 (right after the last election). So we will have increased that advantage by 100,000 by the election.

The biggest wildcard will be the unaffiliated voters. There's 300,000 more of them now than in 2004. Are these more Dem leaning or R leaning? And will they turnout more this time? In 2004, their turnout was only around 50% versus between 65-70% for Ds and Rs.

From exit surveys, it looks like they slightly leaned towards Bush too. But if they're moved more towards Obama this time and if Obama can turn them out in addition to increasing turnout amongst Dems (which WILL happen), then NC will be very very close and he could pull it off. We need to have an inside straight to win NC this time (although long-term it looks more and more promising), but right now that looks exactly like Obama is doing.  


[ Parent ]
And, Really (4.00 / 1)
If NC is that close on election day, then Obama's already won VA and we're sipping champagne.

[ Parent ]
Triple Bank Shot (0.00 / 0)
It's looking like McCain and the GOP are going to have to hit the triple bank shot this time, and that's the good news.

Last time vs This time (0.00 / 0)
Last time, it was best of three: Who ever won two of FL, OH, and PA won the White House.

This time it's different: Obama needs one of seven (OH, FL, VA, CO, NV, IN, or NC) while McCain needs all seven.

Once I see a poll with McCain leading in PA I'll start to consider it a toss-up state.


[ Parent ]
Good News??? (0.00 / 0)
Considering how many banks they've already hit (not to mention brokerage firms), I'd have to say, "Not so much."

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

[ Parent ]
i doubt PA (0.00 / 0)
Those numbers just don't jive.  With all the important democratic machine behind Obama, he will win PA.  The change in registration numbers alone will help.  Democratic enthusiasm is very high.  In my ward we had nearly 90% of registered Democrats turn out and a few independents we had to turn away.

if Kerry won PA by 100,000 votes (0.00 / 0)
and Democratic voter registration increased by about 150,000 before the primary this spring, I simply cannot believe McCain has a chance in this state.

No doubt there will be some racist Democrats who won't vote for Obama, but African-American turnout will be through the roof.

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[ Parent ]
Have I missed an ARG PA poll with McCain ahead? (0.00 / 0)
Or did you mean NH?

"McCain has long been successful in Pennsylvania, although his current lead could simply be that ARG had a bad poll in the state (wouldn't be the first time)."


Maine-02 (0.00 / 0)
Chris, kudos for breaking out the Maine-02 number.  Since the Maine polling got tighter (50-46), I have been wondering about this and want to be sure that the risk of losing 1 EV here is not ignored.  There are several realistic scenarios that lead to a 269-269 tie or 270-268 win.  I would hate for this 1 EV to matter, since it should be winnable with resources.  I appreciate the attention you focus on it here, where it clearly appears to be at risk based on the internal cross-tabs in the ME poll.

Chris... (0.00 / 0)
and maybe others there in Pennsylvania.

Would it be possible for you to put together a post on what's going on there?  You alluded to some interesting points in this post, but if the state is as much in play as this indicates it may well be THE factor in this election.

Don't know much about what's going on there since the primary.  Is it looking as grim as the polls indicate?  You mention high contact numbers but not reaching goals, is that serious, or are the goals pie-in-the-sky hopes?

Basically, what's up with Pennsylvania and why?


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