What Matters, What Doesn't

by: Chris Bowers

Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 00:07


As we enter a new day here on the east coast, here is a look at the swing state chart as it stands before tomorrow's polls are released:

Swing State Overview (270 to win, 269 to tie)
(Swing States are defined as states closer than 5.0%. Before you ask, if a state isn't listed, it isn't that close right now.)
State EV's Obama % McCain % Margin Obama Total
Obama Base 217 217
Maine-AL 2 49.5% 45.0% +4.5% 220
Pennsylvania 21 49.5% 45.3% +4.2% 241
Michigan 17 48.2% 44.0% +4.2% 258
Minnesota 10 49.0% 45.3% +3.7% 268
Maine-01 1 -- -- +1.3% 269
New Hampshire 4 47.7% 47.0% +0.7% 273
Nevada 5 46.0% 45.5% +0.5% 278
Virginia 13 47.6% 47.2% +0.4% 291
North Carolina 15 46.0% 47.0% -1.0% 306
Ohio 20 46.0% 48.0% -2.0% 326
Indiana 11 45.0% 48.0% -3.0% 327
Florida 27 45.5% 49.5% -4.0% 353
West Virginia 5 45.5% 49.5% -4.0% 369
Missouri 11 45.0% 49.5% -4.5% 380
McCain Base 158 158

Obama is comfortably to 268 (what's up with Maine?), and then only has to pick off one more state in order to win. Currently, he leads narrowly in three possible clincher states, and trails narrowly in a few more. In other words, there is no real chance Obama would lose if the election were held tomorrow.

This, of course, explains McCain's latest psychotic break. As we consider the impact of McCain's move, let's have a quick rundown of what matters, and what doesn't as far as the move goes:

  • If McCain actually does pull his ads, it matters quite a lot. MSNBC reports that McCain's media buyer sent out the order to shut down the ads at 5 p.m., but that most will continue running tonight and some will still be in rotation tomorrow. If it actually happens, it will leave Obama uncontested on the air for several days, because it takes a while to start the ads flowing again. So, in every swing state, on news channels covering the financial meltdown, the debate, and McCain's move, there will only be paid Obama media. That will give Obama several million uncontested voter contacts, making this a very, very big positive for Obama. But, we need to see if this actually happens.

  • McCain's move won't score him any points. It is the same as hoping to score points on Obama opting out of public financing, or on shutting down the first day of the Republican convention. Trying to look like the principled, high-minded goo-goo never helps you in these campaigns, because people either aren't paying attention that closely, or can easily see through the bullshit when they do. Instead of scoring points, you throw away huge amounts of free media (the first night of the convention, which was the worst night of polling for McCain all year), or huge amounts of money. The media and the money helps you a lot more than any hope voters are complete suckers for empty gestures. People aren't stupid. In the same vein, pointing out that McCain has talking points on suspending his campaign won't help, either. Everyone knows this is a political move. The Survey USA poll earlier today confirms this.

  • Whether or not McCain votes for the package matters a lot. If Obama and McCain vote differently on the bailout, it will become a huge point of contrast during the campaign. Whoever votes no will, I believe, have the upper hand. While the public views the bill as needed, they also don't like it. If a candidate stands up and tells them it is OK to hate the bill and oppose it, they just might. Additionally, it matters a great deal for a majority of Republicans to support the bill, too. If this bill passes without Republican support--and I doubt congressional Dems will allow it to do so--then we could be in some trouble.

  • It matters if only Obama shows up at the debate. If the commission goes forward with the debate, as they promise, and if Obama shows up at the debate, as he promises, and if McCain doesn't show up at the debate, as he as promised, then I don't know what happens, but it seems huge. McCain just not showing up to a debate would strike me as a huge blunder, especially if Obama is there, the audience is there, and the moderator goes ahead and asks Obama the questions. The McCain just looks like a flaky, chicken, hot headed, idiotic brat. It might not go down exactly like that, but it will still be an all-timer if the debate is held but McCain doesn't show up.

In short, the abstract process positioning doesn't matter, but paid media (if McCain pulls his ads), free media (depending on what happens to / at the debate), and final decisions on the bailout do matter. At least let it never be said that this is a boring campaign. These are truly captivating times.

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We need to dare McCain to miss the debate... (0.00 / 0)
Pass nothing this week.

Friday is an idiotic deadline. A week is not enough time to pass a 700 billion dollar bill. I expect this to be passed because no one wants to be responsible if the economy falls apart and this wasn't passed, but McCain's "No Debates!" strategy is insulting to the American people and he needs to be forced on it.

If we pass something before the debate and he then shows up, he gets to stroll in acting like he's accomplished something.

If this piece of crap needs to get through, do it next week, the voters won't care, and McCain will look like an idiot for either choking and showing up to the debate or leaving Obama to debate an empty chair.


I'm just hoping the debate happens.... (4.00 / 4)
Regardless of whether McCain shows up, the debate needs to happen on Friday.  I think the best outcome is no bill by Friday and McCain not showing, but Obama needs to work hard to make the debate happen.  Its been suggested all over that one reason McCain is doing this is to ultimately cancel the VP debate by postponing Friday's debate until next week.  I know some people think McCain will win the Pres. debates (I am not one such person), but I don't see how it can be argued that getting Palin on television to answer wide-ranging questions from foreign policy to the economy can be anything but gold for us.  Obama needs to fight for the integrity of the current debate schedule, even if he and Biden are the only two showing up.  

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Didn't you hear? (4.00 / 4)
If monday morning comes and a Secretary Paulson's bill has not been paid by the time the markets open, the economy will DISAPPEAR and there will be a DEPRESSION and 12 PERCENT UNEMPLOYMENT by LUNCHTIME.

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Great post, Chris (4.00 / 2)
I think you summed up the day/current turn of events and possible implications quite well.

One point I've been thinking on a bit: it seems the whole "Joint" Statement thing today was a bit bizarre.  Obama reached out personally to McCain and he evidently believed he had one conversation/series of events and McCain reports another and launches into the most bizarro campaign actions.

I think McCain personally lied to Obama about his intentions and the statement (not to mention intentionally kept him waiting before returning his call).  I think this might be important as McCain has lied ABOUT Obama before, but not directly TO him.

If Obama takes this personally and gets pissed, I'm thinking he might soon take the gloves off and go for the jugular.  Maybe Keating 5?  Maybe direct attacks on McCain's fitness as prez?

Just thinking out loud...


I don't buy it (4.00 / 1)
Underneath the gloves is another pair of gloves. McCain's run a relentlessly dishonest campaign, attacking Obama for his own sins, running three mutually contradictory lines of attack at once and playing to all kinds of revanchist and racist sentiment.

Were I in Obama's position, I would have called John McCain a lying motherfucker about a dozen times this campaign. Now granted, my willingness to say that kind of thing is yet another reason I'll never get elected to high office, but I just don't think Obama is going to get angry this campaign.

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[ Parent ]
a few more like that and McCain will be done (0.00 / 0)
One little personal reach out by Obama triggered the psychotic meltdown by McCain .. Obama should do a few more personal reach outs and finish off the whole campaign.

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McCain not showing up for the debate. (4.00 / 8)
  That would be a miscalculation of epic proportions.  I'm talking Dukakis in a tank-Ford says Poland not part of USSR-fundamentals of economy are strong type of epic fail.  Obama would get to say WHATEVER he wants about McCain for 90 minutes without being challenged.  My God, by the end of that kind of "debate" people might finally learn the truth about Obama's tax plan.  Can you imagine?  The election would instantly be over.  Too bad McCain isn't that stupid.  But he'll still look pretty stupid for suspending his campaign and then going back on his word two days later.

John McCain lets lobbyists shape his economic policy

McCain creeping back to the debate (0.00 / 0)
after he said that was out of the question, makes him look a pathetic loser of empty threats. McCain screwed himself either way in his little psychotic break.

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Do you really believe they would hold a "debate" if only one (0.00 / 0)
candidate shows up?

If Ralph Nader is reading this: GO TO MISSISSIPPI!!

Sit in the front row and BE PREPARED to step in should McCain not show.


"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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McKinney (4.00 / 1)
Cynthia McKinney has already offered to replace McCain in the debate on Friday, BTW.

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Colorado? (0.00 / 0)
Now outside the 5% margin and considered "Obama base?" Hmmm...

IMO any Bush state leaning Obama should be considered a swing state unless the average is +10%. For states we think are going to flip a 5%+ margin seems too shallow to consider "safe."

"Don't take much, does it, elected Democrats, to get your balls tucked up." Cf.


well, I think it is safe to say (0.00 / 0)
No one on the site is going to forget about Colorado, so what's the harm in being consistent?


New Jersey politics at Blue Jersey.

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I question the Maine entry (0.00 / 0)
As noted in the Quick Hits, the SUSA poll has data for the two regions and Obama is ahead by 5 in both districts. Is some model being applied to statewide results?

http://www.surveyusa.com/clien...



New Jersey politics at Blue Jersey.


The Maine Crosstabs... (0.00 / 0)
...show McCain winning among 18-34 year olds 49-37, seems like an anomaly that isn't likely to hold true on election day.

The 5% lead is conservative - Kerry's 9% win is looking like the right target.


BS Campaign Suspension Will Not Work. (4.00 / 1)
   And do you know why?  Because unlike Sarah Palin, it will not excite white, male wingnuts.  It will just put everyone to sleep.  I can't believe they are even CONSIDERING pulling the plug on McCain ads.  

John McCain lets lobbyists shape his economic policy

ads still running (0.00 / 0)
I've been seeing lots of McCain ads on cable today

[ Parent ]
President Elect 2008 (4.00 / 1)
Chris, I know you are a big fan of this computer game... earlier this year, I was thinking about going into the President Elect '88 source files (it's written in BASIC, so it's easy to modify the source code) figuring out how the data files worked, and then would add new candidates for this year...

It was going to be a gift for you, 'cos I'm such a big fan of yours... :-)

But, as time went on, I realized there is no way that ANY computer model could simulate the absolutely bizarre twists and turns during this campaign... I'm glad that I didn't bother to really try, 'cos it would have ended up as an epic fail!

So, I'm sorry, Chris.... I wanted to give you a nice gift... it could have even been run on an emulator right on this very web site, but there is no way it would even be close to realistic, considering the absolute bizarro behavior by the republican candidate...

Maybe in 2012, when we have someone more sane as the republican candidate, OK? :-)

I have no idea what the hell has gotten into the McCain camp.... none, whatsoever!  So far, his bizarro decisions have helped him, or at least not hurt him... this one, though... I have no idea...  

Intrade's got McCain down a lot and Obama up to the best lead he's had since the RNC... so, that says something... lots of wingnuts participating in that site...

REID: Voting against us was never part of our arrangement!
SPECTER: I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!
REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!


Awwww (4.00 / 1)
That's so nice! It would have been a great gift! The thought matters quite a bit. Seriously, thanks for thinking about it!

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Two thoughts (4.00 / 5)
1) AmericaBlog points out McCain's droopy left eye.  I noticed it today.  Maybe McCain doesn't want an hour and a half scrutiny on his face when his eye makes him look like a geriatric boxer.

2) Palin locked McCain into voting for the bailout when she said not voting for it would result in the Great Depression II. McCain is in a box, and Obama and the Dems are in a position to add as many conditions to the bailout as they want.

John McCain won't insure children


Obama won't oppose the bailout... (4.00 / 1)
I'm just not sure you're right about whoever votes no has the upper hand... unless the bill very clearly sucks.

But, Democrats seem to be getting what they want, for the most part... and people seem to understand, rightly or wrongly, that the stakes are quite high.  I think some form of bailout probably is needed, and someone voting no against it could be a gigantic blunder...

Especially since McCain has now said that not having a bill will literally result in a depression... next Monday... How can he possibly vote against something like that then?  He'd be voting for a depression.

No, I think they will end up voting the same way on it... but I could be mistaken.


The democratic leadership has told Bush... (0.00 / 0)
in no uncertain terms that if McCain votes no, the bill goes down in flames...

REID: Voting against us was never part of our arrangement!
SPECTER: I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!
REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!


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They better stick to that ... (0.00 / 0)
because my guess is .. is that McCain will vote no on whatever the Dems offer .. hell .. I wonder if Bernie Sanders will vote no on this mess ... because that would mean that some Republicans would have to cross the aisle in the Senate .. and I wonder which ones have the balls to cross it on this one

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The bill is good (0.00 / 0)
I think there has been a lot of confusion out there between the original bill and the new bill because things have been moving so fast on this.

This new, Democratic bill is pretty good. The one that Americans don't like is the original. I expect that most voting Americans will come to like this version.

This leaves McCain in a trap. He could go along with the bill, in which case the bill gets done pretty quickly and yesterday's stunts end up looking pretty foolish.  The debate happens as scheduled and Obama looks good for not having postponed it. Obama scores big.

Or McCain could oppose this for made up reasons and/or true heart-of-the-deregulator reasons. He could rally enough Repubs on his side to push this thing down the road, in which case he either goes back on his word and shows up at the debate, where he is forced to defend his vote to kill a reasonably popular bill or he doesn't show up and gets killed in the media for both not showing up and killing the bill for stupid reasons.


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Maine (0.00 / 0)
All the moose have cellphones.



This is a Test of the Emergency Free Speech System. This is only a Test. In an actual Free Speech Emergency, I'll be locked up.


Didn't Carter skip a debate in 1980? (4.00 / 1)
I think I read somewhere that Reagan and Anderson had it without him.

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Yeah... (0.00 / 0)
...and the had an empty chair for carter and would pan to it during Carter's "turn"....  that had to be simply devastating!

No wonder Reagan won!

REID: Voting against us was never part of our arrangement!
SPECTER: I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!
REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!


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Here's some background video from PBS (0.00 / 0)
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/de...

It's fascinating!  And the debate without Carter seems like it was devastating to Carter...

And that Anderson had some great energy ideas that would never fly today!

REID: Voting against us was never part of our arrangement!
SPECTER: I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!
REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!


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The real story here is ... (4.00 / 2)

... that Obama made a bipartisan overture to McCain, and McCain tried to take political advantage of it.

McCain's statement "I am being bipartisan..." just be taken with a huge grain of salt.

It was clearly an attempt to grab the news cycle for 24 hours with a story of how a virtuous and courageous John McCain left off campaigning, and led a bipartisan effort to save America. In a way, it's Palin 2.

It reminds me of George Bush's flight to Washington to "save" Terry Schiavo, the brain-dead woman, and grab the headlines for his pro-life base.

Obama did a look a bit pained about this stab in the back,  but I think it has turned to his advantage.

- Bush's speech prevented McCain grabbing the news cycle.
- the MSM are on to McCain's stunts.
- Obama is standing firm on the debate, so he is not seen to be just following McCain's lead.
- There will be a brief meeting of Bush, McCain and Obama at which (a) Obama will be on the same level as the others, and (b) people will be reminded whose party McCain belongs to.

Besides, the deal seems to have been agreed before McCain even got on the plane to Washington, so he has finished up looking a bit silly and a bit of a drama queen (king?).


It's a problem if Obama shows up to the debate... (4.00 / 1)
... while McCain is in DC meeting with economic advisors, his glasses tipped over his nose reading important looking papers, and then they run ads that say: "While Obama was having a one-sided conversation in a room in Florida, Senator McCain was poring over important documents and meeting with advisors on how to rescue our economy." The contrast would not be good. There's a chance McCain could hop into the lead on the "dealing with the economy" question.

That's why I think we should capitalize on the fact that WE control the Congress. If it looks like McCain won't show, Harry Reid should schedule debate on the bailout bill on the Senate floor. Have McCain and Obama debate our country's economy right there in the halls of Congress. It would make for spectacular TV, and would totally favor Obama and his speaking style. Reid could justify it saying: "The counrty deserves to see the two candidates for the highest office in the land debate, and there's no better time and no better place than to have these two Senators engage in a robust discussion about our country's economy than on the floor of our nation's Senate."

It would be an offensive manuever -- the Democrats taking control of an issue that McCain is trying to steal and outflanking his "postponse the election and the debate" tactic -- and again, it would totally favor Obama because he could read from prepared remarks, something at which he performs much better than he does at debating.


great idea (0.00 / 0)
may i add that the senate suspend rules (or however it works) and give both o & grandpa sid an 1 1/2 hour window to speak on the matter. also say that grandpa was the one to ask to speak that long. both of grandpas eyes would be after that. lol



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shut shut shut (0.00 / 0)
eyes would be shut. i'm almost as old as grandpa sid.

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Easy counter to that ad (0.00 / 0)
Chris Dodd and Barney Frank and the rest of the Democratic negotiating team calling McCain a solipsistic tosser and denying that he ever played any real role in the arrangements.

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The coming vote doesn't worry me (0.00 / 0)
I thought I read that Congress had already agreed to a $150 billion temporary bailout as a compromise to see how accurate some of the more hysterical prognostications are and to buy some time to come up with a more reasonable and substantive solution. If that's the case, I don't fear the vote at all. $150 billion - while still huge - is nowhere near $700 billion and shouldn't shake the electorate in the same way. It also has the effect of making the Dems seem more level-headed and reasonable than Bush and Paulson, who went out of the gate crowing gimme, gimme.

If the vote plays out this way, it's a model of moderation. If McCain votes no, he'll have a much harder time justifying his I'm-all-about-a-solution stance.  


McCain stunts won't stop (4.00 / 1)
As Juan Cole points out this morning, McCain is engaged in asymmetric warfare against a superior opponent. So what doesn't matter right now are assumptions about where the McCain campaign is heading because tactics instead of strategy are what is driving McCain's campaign movements. What matters for the Obama campaign, is that as McCain continues to lob distractions and traps at him, it has to continue to reinforce any negative portrayals of McCain/Palin in the MSM and continuously project positive imagery and messaging on the campaign trail itself. Whether McCain shows up at the debate or doesn't show up, shouldn't matter in how Obama continues to present the campaign to the electorate.

Maine-AL (0.00 / 0)
Er, if Maine-AL is 2 EV, then it looks like all the totals are off by one. 217+2=219, not 220.

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