Ending The War: No Small Difference

by: Chris Bowers

Sun Aug 19, 2007 at 15:36


Although I did not see the debate this morning, if Edwards did in fact say that the differences between the candidates on Iraq are small, I generally agree with Matthew Yglesias on this point:

John Edwards is saying in the debate that the differences between the Democrats on Iraq are small. That's certainly something I'd like to believe, since the people who have positions on Iraq I agree with -- Bill Richardson and Dennis Kucinich -- aren't people I particularly want to see as president and aren't people with a good chance of winning. But I don't really think Edwards is right. It's true that the Democrats all, in some sense, want to end the war in Iraq, but these plans to leave tens of thousands of residual forces won't in fact end the war.

I don't this is a small difference, either. In fact, I think it might be the most salient differences between the campaigns right now. Leaving tens of thousands of troops in Iraq-as many as 60,000, according to one projection from the Biden campaign-and withdrawing all forces except those around the embassy is a gaping difference, if you ask me. This differences becomes all the more important, given that the Bush adminisatrion is apparently going to try and sell a forced end to the escalation (there simply are not anymore fresh troops) as an example of its willingness to engage in troop withdrawal, while allowing the war to continue:

The White House plans to use September's report on Iraq progress to outline gradual troop reductions that would fall far short of the reduction demanded by congressional war opponents.

An administration official said that the goal of the planned announcement is to counter public pressure for a more rapid reduction and to try to win support for a plan that could keep U.S. involvement in Iraq on "a sustainable footing" at least through the end of the Bush presidency.

Officials said the White House will portray its approach as a new strategy for Iraq, a message aimed primarily at the growing numbers of congressional Republicans who have criticized President Bush's handling of the war.

So, now Republicans are going to be able to portray themselves as pro-withdrawal, as well, even though the only reason they are drawing back troops is because they have run out of fresh ones:

About 28,000 American combat troops would be withdrawn from Iraq during a five-month period beginning in April under a plan to be submitted to President Bush next month by Gen. David Petraeus, the U.S. commander in Iraq.

Petraeus' deputy, Lt. Gen. Ray Odierno, said Friday that the five combat brigades ordered by Bush to "surge" to Iraq last winter would be withdrawn at a rate of one brigade per month. The withdrawal, to be completed in August 2008, would leave about 130,000 U.S. troops in Iraq.(…)

But the withdrawal of the five combat brigades that composed the surge is based less on conditions in Iraq than on the simple unavailability of fresh troops. In April, U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates reluctantly extended troop deployments in Iraq to 15 months from 12 to maintain troop levels at about 162,000. At the time, Gates said the extension of tours "upholds our commitment to decide when to begin any drawdown of U.S. forces in Iraq solely based on conditions on the ground."

This is how Republicans are going to try and mute the Democratic advantage on Iraq in the 2008 campaign. First, they make sure that the war continues, and Democrats were unable to stop it. Second, they argue that they are also pro-withdrawal, as they are withdrawing some troops, and that the Democratic nominee doesn't want to withdraw all of the troops, either. It might just work, too. After all, if the difference between zero troops, and 60,000 troops, is small, then how large really is the difference between 60,000 troops and 130,000?

I tried back in July to have more Democratic campaigns state how many troops their redeployment plans would leave in Iraq (see here and here). Although I was generally unsuccessful in those efforts, just as the national media has also been unsuccessful, I was left with the distinct, though admittedly non-expert, impression that the Clinton / Obama / Biden plans would leave the most (probably around 40,000), the Edwards / Dodd plans would leave less (probably around 20,000), and that the Richardson / Kucinich plans would leave the fewest (probably 5,000 troops to protect the embassy), simply based on the tasks that each campaign stated they would have residual forces would undertaken in Iraq. Maybe in that sense the difference between Edwards and other candidates is not huge, but this is still very dangerous territory for Democrats.  There is a clear opening for Republicans to use these residual force commitments, combined with the Bush administration's end to the surge and a Lieberman-esque "no one wants tot end the war more than I do" talking point to thoroughly blur the differences on Iraq in the general election next year. If that happens, the largest driving force behind the current Democratic advantage in the national political environment is over, and we can kiss our chances for a second wave election, or for more and better Democrats, goodbye.

Now, as large a problem as this is, it can be solved by one of the following:

  1. Actually having the Democratic controlled Congress force at least a partial withdrawal of troops;
  2. Having the Democratic nominee make a commitment to no residual forces in Iraq under his or her administration;
  3. Having the Democratic nominee provide a specific estimate for the number of troops s/he will leave in Iraq that is much, much lower than 130,000.

However, since we have not accomplished the #1, since our frontrunners are not promising #2, and since pretty much everyone refuses to provide an answer to #3, mark me down as still very worried about squandering both Democratic and progressive electoral potential in 2008.
 

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Carrying on like they started (4.00 / 2)
If the Congressional Dem leaderships (to stray no further) have given any credible sign since January that they are willing to take take clear and decisive action on Iraq withdrawal, I missed it.

All year, the course of the battle (if that's not rather an excessive word for a succession of shambling skirmishes) to place some restraint on US military activities in Iraq has been dictated by the WH, from the announcement of the surge - monumentally ineffective in Iraq, but fairly devastating on the Capitol!

From there, the GOP narrative arc follows very much as you suggest: the rate of travel is slow, the end-point indeterminate, but the fact that troop numbers will be reduced will be sold like billy-o.

And this pantomime can succeed because of exactly the sort of fuzziness about Dem Iraq plans (very much plural) that you describe.

Bull point:

if the difference between zero troops, and 60,000 troops, is small, then how large really is the difference between 60,000 troops and 130,000?

Sixpack sees obfuscation as usual from both parties, another coat on a veneer already thousands of layers thick.

Come election time, he's surely going to give no pol credit for anything on Iraq. 

Of course, all this Congressional mumbling and fumbling doesn't help the effort to distinguish the Bush Dogs' sins on national security issues as peculiarly worthy of punishment - just saying...


Republican strategy (4.00 / 2)
Yesterday, while on vacation, as I walked down the street I heard a woman point at a newspaper and say, "Look, they are starting to bring the troops home."  Since this was vacation, I did not stop and shake her and say, no, they are only saying that they are thinking about maybe starting to reduce troop levels at some point because there is an election coming up, don't believe these lying jerks!  But it makes sense that the Republican strategy for 2008 will be to lie about getting us out of Iraq, since Bush lied to get us into Iraq to begin with. 

Not nice watching the Dems blow it ... (4.00 / 2)
for ANOTHER generation.

I belong to an age group that knew Vietnam as Lyndon Johnson's war ("Hey, hey, LBJ, how many kids did you kill today?"). Not surprisingly, we didn't bother with Democratic politics, paving the way for Reaganism by our disengagement, but even more for the DLC today which is stocked with the people who didn't have the moral decency to struggle to end that war.

A repeat of this would seal the end of this republic I think.

Can it happen here?


to respond collectiely (0.00 / 0)
To everyone on this thread so far, I just have to say yes, aboslutely--that is exactly what I worry about too.

Set up to fail (0.00 / 0)
Its not quite as bad as 2004, because the second Bush term has  more permanently affixed this war to his legacy, but in the long-term any President from the Democratic Party elected in 2008 will have to be very adept and deft to avoid being labeled as the one that caused the USA to "lose Iraq" - after the Bush stratergy was going so well and all, dontcha know.

I don't trust Clinton or Edwards (Dodd, or Biden, for that matter) to be able to think outside the Washington box in an effective enough manner to avoid such a trap.  Besides, any Democrat that originally voted for the war is extremely vulnerable on this issue.

Obama or Richardson. (Gravel or Kuchinich) are better bets, to my mind.  Gravel is, perhaps, a bit too far outside the box and I don't see him as a very effective international negotiator. DK has heart, but I don't think he'd get much support from the Dems in Congress while he was in the White House.

Obama or Richardson. Either one seem to have the ability to turn international meetings with their opposition into positive propaganda for the US, and they seem relatively at home debating and negotiating tough questions.

I always hesitate voting for a legislater for executive office, so Richardson has the advantage to my mind. His executive experience as Governor gives him more "spine" than the compromising tendencies of the legislature, so he's less likely to back down when the Pentagon and their congressional minions start pushing to leave more and more US soldiers behind to protect "US interests and assets" in Iraq.



"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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If We Fall For This Line.... (0.00 / 0)
If the American people are foolish enough to regain their belief in Bush's Iraq war policies, then we deserve to lose the republic. I'll pack by bags for France or Spain (if one of them will have me).

How to lose in '08: Lose our nerve on Iraq (0.00 / 0)
I am concerned that Clinton, Obama and Edwards ultimately aren't confident enough in their judgment and lack the foreign policy expertise to order a complete withdrawal should they get elected.  We saw this today again at the debate in Iowa.  They'll keep forces in Iraq for years to come. 

What difference then will there be on the most important issue of the campaign between the Democratic and Republican Presidential nominees?  No Republican nominee will advocate an endless commitment to Iraq.

The path out of Iraq for Clinton, Obama and Edwards will be long march spread over years.  That will be true as well with any Republican Presidential nominee.  Talk about potentially blowing the election!  If the Democratic and Republican candidates have essentially the same position on the path out of Iraq, the current advantage we see in the polls for Democrats could easily disappear.

I'm supporting Richardson in part because he has the best plan for leaving Iraq.  William M. Arkin who writes on National and Homeland Security for the Washington Post recently commented:

It is on Iraq though, that Richardson really shines. "I believe that we need to withdraw all of our troops within six months," he writes. "Other than the customary Marine contingent at the embassy, I would not leave anyone behind. And if the embassy isn't safe, they're coming home too. No airbases. No troops in the Green Zone. No embedded soldiers training Iraqi forces, because we know what that means. It means our troops would still be out on patrol -- with targets on their backs."

We are spending $10 billion a month on Iraq, Richardson says. "Of the many ways in which Mr. Bush's ill-conceived war has distracted us from our real national security needs, this is the most dangerous," he concludes. "There is not a single sign that Iraq is improving. To the contrary, every indication is that it's getting worse, and a smaller force will do nothing to change that."

And so Bill Richardson says something that the other candidates evidently can't or won't: "A regional crisis is worthy of military intervention. A true threat to our country's security is worthy of war. But a struggle between a country's warring factions, where both sides hate the United States, is not worthy of one more lost American life."

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