Presidential Forecast 10/13: 22 Days To Go

by: Chris Bowers

Mon Oct 13, 2008 at 18:38


Electoral College: Obama 329, McCain 169 Toss-up 40 (270 to win)
National popular vote: Obama 50.0%--42.0% McCain


(Dark Blue (280): Obama +7.0% or more
Lean Blue (49): Obama +2.6%-+6.9%
White / Toss-up (40): Obama +2.5% to McCain +2.5%
Lean Red (29): McCain +2.6%-+6.9%
Dark Red (140): McCain +7.0% or more
)

Twenty-two days left, and Obama's lead still looks good. Missouri moves to "Lean Obama" from "Toss-up" and North Dakota moves to "Lean McCain" from "Solid McCain." Ohio did shift toward McCain, but that is because two polls with Obama +6% dropped out of the average, while the outlying University of Cincinnati poll showing McCain up 2% remained. The four most recent polls from Ohio show Obama ahead by an average of 3.3%, so unless there are more outlying Ohio polls, the Buckeye state will return to "Lean Obama" in a couple of days.

My fantasy scenario has Obama winning the Kerry states plus Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Missouri, Nevada, New Mexico, North Carolina, Ohio and Virginia for a total of 364 electoral votes. If we snag any more states, like North Dakota or West Virginia, that would be great, too. However, the one I really want is North Carolina, as it represents a major beachhead into red state territory that can probably be held long-term. Turning North Carolina into a swing state for the next decade or two would severely complicate electoral math for Republicans. We haven't won North Carolina in a Presidential campaign since 1976, but the long-term demographic trends are pretty sweet. It is the top prize in a blowout election, if you ask me.

Of course, I would also be happy if we win by any margin. State by state details in the extended entry.

Chris Bowers :: Presidential Forecast 10/13: 22 Days To Go
Solid Obama: 280 Electoral Votes
State EV's Obama % McCain % Margin # Polls
California 55 54.7% 40.7% +14.0% 3
Colorado 9 51.3% 44.0% +7.3% 3
Connecticut 7 52.7% 37.3% +15.4% 3
Delaware 3 54.3% 38.0% +16.3% 3
D.C. 3 82.0% 13.0% +69.0% 1
Hawaii 4 65.5% 29.5% +36.0% 2
Illinois 21 55.0% 37.7% +17.3% 3
Iowa 7 53.3% 41.0% +12.3% 3
Maine-AL* 2 50.7% 41.7% +9.0% 3
Maine-01* 1 -- -- +12.2% 0
Maryland 10 55.3% 38.0% +17.3% 3
Massachusetts 12 56.0% 38.7% +17.3% 3
Michigan 17 50.3% 40.0% +10.3% 3
Minnesota 10 51.0% 43.7% +7.3% 3
New Hampshire 4 52.7% 42.7% +10.0% 3
New Jersey 15 51.7% 39.3% +12.4% 3
New York 31 58.0% 36.8% +21.2% 4
Oregon 7 53.0% 41.0% +12.0% 3
Pennsylvania 21 53.4% 40.0% +13.4% 5
Rhode Island 4 46.7% 30.3% +16.4% 3
Vermont 3 58.7% 35.7% +23.0% 3
Washington 11 52.3% 43.3% +9.0% 3
Wisconsin 10 52.0% 43.3% +8.7% 4
Virginia 13 51.3% 43.0% +8.3% 4

Lean Obama: 49 Electoral Votes
State EV's Obama % McCain % Margin # Polls
Florida 27 50.7% 44.7% +6.0% 3
Maine-02* 1 -- -- +5.8% 0
Missouri 11 49.0% 46.3% +2.7% 3
Nevada 5 49.3% 45.7% +3.6% 3
New Mexico 5 48.7% 42.7% +6.0% 3

Toss-up: 40 Electoral Votes
State EV's Obama % McCain % Margin # Polls
North Carolina 15 47.0% 47.0% Even 4
Ohio 20 48.2% 45.8% +2.4% 6
West Virginia 5 46.0% 47.3% -1.3% 3

Lean McCain: 29 Electoral Votes
State EV's Obama % McCain % Margin # Polls
Georgia 15 44.3% 51.0% -6.7% 4
Indiana 11 44.0% 49.0% -5.0% 3
North Dakota 3 42.7% 49.3% -6.6% 3

Solid McCain: 140 Electoral Votes
State EV's Obama % McCain % Margin # Polls
Alabama 9 36.0% 62.0% -26.0% 3
Alaska 3 38.3% 55.0% -16.7% 3
Arizona 10 38.3% 53.3% -15.0% 3
Arkansas 6 41.5% 52.0% -10.5% 2
Idaho 4 29.0% 66.0% -37.0% 3
Kansas 6 36.7% 58.0% -21.3% 3
Kentucky 8 40.3% 54.0% -13.7% 3
Louisiana 9 41.5% 52.5% -13.3% 2
Mississippi 6 40.7% 53.0% -12.3% 3
Montana 3 42.7% 51.3% -8.7% 3
Nebraska-AL** 2 35.5% 58.0% -22.5% 2
Nebraska-01** 1 -- -- -16.5% 0
Nebraska-02** 1 -- -- -11.5% 0
Nebraska-03** 1 -- -- -40.5% 0
Oklahoma 7 33.3% 62.5% -28.8% 4
South Carolina 8 39.3% 55.0% -15.7% 3
South Dakota 3 38.0% 54.5% -16.5% 2
Tennessee 11 38.0% 53.7% -15.7% 3
Texas 34 40.5% 55.5% -15.0% 2
Utah 5 28.3% 63.7% -35.4% 3
Wyoming 3 34.3% 60.3% -26.0% 3

* Maine's four electoral votes are awarded as follows: two for the statewide winner, and one for the winner of each congressional district. ME-01 is about 3.2% more Democratic than the state as a whole, while ME-02 is about 3.2% less Democratic than the state as a whole.

** Nebraska's five electoral votes are awarded as follows: two for the statewide winner, and one for the winner of each congressional district. NE-01 is about 6.0% more Democratic than the state as a whole, NE-02 is about 11.0% more Democratic than the state as a whole, and NE-03 is about 18.0% less Democratic than the state as a whole.

Methodology
The forecast is updated whenever there are enough new polls to warrant an update. The methodology for the forecast is simple and straightforward.

  1. For each state, all polls with the majority of their interviews condcuted within the last 7 days from publication of the forecast are included in the averages. There are some necessary exceptions to this rule.
  2. Every state has at least three polls, so the first exception are states without three polls that meet the previous criteria. In the event that three polls taken within the past week are not available, the three most recent polls are used. (Note: "Most recent" is determined by the mid-point in the dates of the polls. For example, a poll taken from 9/15-9/17 has a mid-pint of 9/16. In the event that more than one poll shares the most recent mid-point (within 0.5), all polls with that mid-point are included in the average.)
  3. The second exception comes with polling firms that have conducted more than two poll in a state over the last 7 days. Every polling firm only has one poll per average.
  4. No polling firm discrimination whatsoever. Polls are never excluded because the organization has a bad or partisan reputation.
  5. No pre-September polls. I'm just sick of including them.

During the final two weeks of the election, only polls taken entirely within the past seven days will be included in the averages (with the same exceptions listed above, of course).


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Nice to hear about NC (4.00 / 2)
but I jumped into electoral activism in 2002, and after six years in the wilderness I've got election fatigue. I'm not sure I could take 4-12 years of being the next Ohio.

Oh, but of course, the mechanics of our elections are far superior to Ohio's, so at least we don't have that to worry about.


I'm With You On North Carolina (4.00 / 3)
Always have been.  In fact, I said once or twice that it could be THE key state in the election.  Obviously, it wasn't, no single state was.  But forcing McCain to battle there, and working on the synergy of the Senate and Presidential races just seemed to make it worth a heavy investment, even if we came up short.

Right now, I'd love to see us close the deal there.  But even if we don't, it should definitelty be ours in 2012, and we've done a heckuva job laying the groundwork this time out.

My dream is a North Carolina to North Dakota sweep: putting a beach head in both their remaining strongholds.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


Re: North Carolina (0.00 / 0)
If there's any tightening of the popular vote then North Carolina is going to move back into the lean McCain column.

I think North Carolina is 4 years away from turning blue, but we'll see.

Meanwhile the remaining undecideds are going to break for McCain at some point. Some are racists who are torn between the horrible economic news and being "uncomfortable" voting for a "Negro!" There's no way Obama is going to end up with their vote. At best they might stay home.

In the end the remaining undecideds might very well conform to the old rule that the undecideds break for the incumbent, because the challenger just hasn't convinced them (that's why they're undecided.) McCain represents the incumbent party of course.

Some, perhaps many, may simply not vote, but this year there so much voting excitement that it will be harder for these people to justify staying home.

Remember that many others of the "undecideds" are from the 40% of the American people scientific studies show can't even name the 3 branches of government, and have no idea who the Vice President is.

They are undecided, not because they are carefully considering both candidates, but because they are almost totally ignorant about everything and politics only dimly penetrates their brains at all. For some of them, somehow somebody pushed a clip-board in front of them and they registered. And perhaps somebody else -- family member or friend or co-worker -- told them they should vote, so they might just go to the polls if they can be bothered. But, they only are vaguely aware of the candidates, and couldn't tell you anything about either of them, perhaps beyond what they might have seen in a 30 second commercial on NFL Sunday.

So McCain probably has a big advantage among them and I predict the remaining undecideds on the eve of the election will break 3 or 4 to 1 for him in the end. Fortunately, there aren't going to be enough of them to matter.  


I don't see how your description (0.00 / 0)
favors McCain, other than the small number in paragraph 3.  McCain is not the incumbent, and one thing we know is that the undecideds think the country is going in the wrong direction and don't approve of Bush.



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[ Parent ]
I always thought the maxim was... (4.00 / 2)
In the end the remaining undecideds might very well conform to the old rule that the undecideds break for the incumbent, because the challenger just hasn't convinced them (that's why they're undecided.) McCain represents the incumbent party of course.

...that undecideds break for the challenger, because the fact that they're undecided means the incumbent's performance hasn't convinced them to keep the same party in power.

Maybe the new rule should simply be "Undecides break for the challenger.  Except when they don't."


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Doubt it (4.00 / 1)
The racists have known Obama is black for a long time.  There wont be any movement there.

Here is the other thing going on, North Carolina not only has early vote, but same day registration during early vote.  The potential for even more of a boost that wont be caught by any poll is huge.

"Keep the Faith"


[ Parent ]
Texas (4.00 / 2)
I know Texas isn't a battleground state this year, but demographically it certainly seems ripe for the picking if we can get the Hispanic/Latino population voting.

Perhaps I'm just dreaming, but that would be a huge back-breaker if we could get Texas (and Arizona) in 2012.


Texas should be a definite 2012 target (4.00 / 2)
Demographics aren't yet on our side in Texas, but they should definitely be by 2020. And trying to beat demographics by eight years is a worthwhile investment when you remove the base to which Republicans add all their numbers.

Take away Texas, and Republicans just don't have any big states.

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They still have Florida (0.00 / 0)
Obama may pull the state out this election, but it's still dominated by Republicans at the state level.

[ Parent ]
But Obama Winning There Sets the Stage For Democrats to Take Over (4.00 / 1)
It's true there are only two statewide elected Democrats in Florida, but an Obama win there will set the stage for the Democrats to take the state back over within the next 8 or so years. With proven Obama infrastructure, Mel Martinez is probably a goner from the Senate in 2010, and Charlie Crist isn't terribly safe in the governor's mansion either, especially if the state doesn't recover quickly from the recession it's in.

The thing about Florida is there's always been this wierd disconnect between the fact Floridians know the GOP can't govern worth a damn, but Jeb Bush and Charlie Crist have always remained popular because the Florida Democratic Party has been in a shambles and Democrats haven't had the infrastructure or the money to really compete in Florida. So Jeb and Crist have always been able to buy positive images in the state. Obama's building the infrastructure now, though, and I think the money will follow.


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That's state level - different issue (0.00 / 0)
If Republicans can't win Texas, they can't win the presidential election.

If Democrats can't win the Florida House, we get gerrymandered out of about U.S. House five seats and don't get to pass state-specific progressive advances there.

The former is a mortal blow, the latter is an irritant. An irritant which definitely needs to be fixed, no doubt about it (although I'm not sure if it can be done in time for redistricting this time round,) but an irritant nonetheless.

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demographics (0.00 / 0)
There will be a delay in the demographic changes going on in Texas showing up in the electorate because the Hispanic population is so overwhelmingly young - very many of them aren't 18 yet. For this reason, I think 2012 is a bit optimistic. 2016, though...

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By the way (0.00 / 0)
I live in Texas. Why do I keep seeing Obama ads on network teevee? Are these just national ad buys (and if so, isn't that kind of inefficient?)? Or is Obama making a stealth play for That Which Must Not Be Messed With?

[ Parent ]
oklahoma (0.00 / 0)
I live in oklahoma and saw 5 Obama ads yesterday during an nfl game.

[ Parent ]
well... (0.00 / 0)
We know he's not making a play for you folks. So I guess they're national buys.

But it does make me wonder about the inefficiency of it.


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efficiency (4.00 / 2)
I love the idea of spending some money on national ads.  Instead of targeting first, second and third tier states, it makes a lot of sense to target first tier states and run national ads.

National ads are obviously the most efficient ads you can run in terms of # of people reached, which is why the national corporations use them.  I don't know what the over/under is, but there is some number of states where it is simply more efficient to go national.  

With the polls changing each week, it is hard to be sure what is actually contested and what isn't.  National ads make sure you hit any potentially contested state.  

Also:

* people in differing states still communicate, so there is some effect to convincing more people in general to vote for Obama.

* National ads are the best way to improve national poll numbers, which contributes to the overall narrative and makes McCain look weaker.

* The better Obama's final margin the easier it will be to govern.

* and lastly, at the moment all the contested states are well over the 270 mark, so might as well go for shooting the Moon!


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North Carolina is due.... (4.00 / 2)
...to move in our direction.  It has a history of being one of the most "labor friendly" states in the southeast (in part because it has one of the better vo-tech systems around), and with that, the bright collars rallying to our side, and high African-American voter registration, it's a winning combination.

It'll never be easy to hold onto, but it's finally in the "doable" column, and that's a very good thing.


Not Really (4.00 / 1)
North Carolina has had the lowest rate per capita of union membership of any state every year for 50 plus years.

In terms of friendly to workers issues, then yes, as its often been run by populists and business friendly progressives.

"Keep the Faith"


[ Parent ]
Florida, Florida, Florida! (4.00 / 1)
NC would be great, but a win in Florida would be a real kick in the GOP balls.

nc has been getting (4.00 / 1)
an influx of people from the ne and se fla recently, most are dems and lean progressive so eventually nc will move into blue territory, whether that is this cycle or not remains to be seen, but the trend is clear and undeniable.  

Why is everyone ignoring AR? (4.00 / 1)
No polls there since 9/22 and my guess is that Obama has made significant strides in that state since then.  How much you wanna bet Obama is within 5 pts in AR?  

Chuck Todd agrees with you (0.00 / 0)
On Hardball tonight, he said exactly what you're saying: he expects things have gotten tighter in Arkansas, but nobody's talking about it AT ALL because nobody is polling there.

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To be specific (4.00 / 3)
The only post-convention polls in Arkansas came on Sept. 23, when AAAAAARG had it 53-41 McCain, and on Sept. 25, when Rasmussen had it 51-42 McCain.  It's entirely possible that it's gotten tighter there since then.  

If you look at the breakdown of the AAAAARG poll (OK, after taking a big grain of salt), the math is pretty stark: if only 1 out of 10 Dems would flip from McCain to Obama, while the Repubs and indies stayed the same, the overall number would be 49-45 McCain.  And if 1 in 6 Dems flipped, Obama would actually be ahead.


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The other thing about a landslide... (4.00 / 1)
It sets the map for 2012.  Assume, for the moment, that Obama wins.  If he just ekes out the Kerry+IA+NM+CO/VA win, we're all very happy.  Democratic President, and everything that goes with it. But all we'll hear is what a closely divided country we still have, blah blah blah, and Obama will have to defend every single state to hold on in 2012.

But if he takes CO+VA+OH+FL+MO+NC, we've got a landslide.  That will be the word that is used.  Landslide.  And come 2012, CO is a blue state. VA is a blue state.  OH is a blue state.  FL is a blue state.  MO is a blue state.  NC is a blue state.  Obama's challenger has to play offense in frickin North Carolina!  In Missouri and Ohio and Florida!  I like that cushion.


I'm Greedy.. (4.00 / 1)
...I want Indiana, West Virginia and, yes, Georgia.

I want a "OMG, we can't believe that Obama has won___________" come election night.

I want to see the blatherheads explode.


My "holy shit" state is... (4.00 / 1)
Arizona.

The state would probably be competitive if it weren't for McCain being the nominee.  Who knows, in a big enough wave Obama could really humiliate McCain by taking his homestate.

I know it's not on anyone's radar at all right now, but...  that's sort of what I'm thinking about... In a huge wave, will any states flip that no one was even looking at?  Arizona is my guess. =)


[ Parent ]
Oregon - the "battleground state"- Obama by 17 pts. (4.00 / 2)
This is hilarious. They call Oregon a "battleground" state, or  "leans Dem."

Just in today from SUSA, Obama headed for a blow-out, winning by 17 pts.
Obama 57- McCain 40

We start voting by mail next week.

http://www.surveyusa.com/clien...

SUSA also reported that Jeff Merkley is beating Gordon Smith in the Senate 46-41. That's a real upset.


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