Presidential Forecast 10/17: 18 Days Left

by: Chris Bowers

Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 14:03


Electoral College: Obama 349, McCain 166 Toss-up 23 (270 to win)
National popular vote: Obama 49.9%--43.2% McCain


(Dark Blue (253): Obama +7.0% or more
Lean Blue (96): Obama +2.6%-+6.9%
White / Toss-up (23): Obama +2.5% to McCain +2.5%
Lean Red (12): McCain +2.6%-+6.9%
Dark Red (154): McCain +7.0% or more
)

Obama's position continues to be very strong in my presidential forecast. While his "solid" states have dropped below 270, he still goes over 270 in Minnesota, where he leads by 6.3%. Also, while Florida and Ohio are narrowing, Obama's leads of 3.5% and 3.3% respectively are still means that there is roughly a 90% chance that he is ahead in those states. Obama has also managed to push NE-02 into "Lean McCain," and North Dakota into "toss-up" status. So, things are looking good.

I am expecting the campaign to settle in at an Obama lead of 4-5%. I looked at Pollster.com's national trendlines today, excluding the VP and convention period from August 16th to September 15th. Without that period in the trendlines, the campaign has been extremely stable, hovering at right around 4-5%. Obama was a bit higher right after securing the nomination, and also at the height of the financial meltdown. McCain was a bit higher when he was able to outspend Obama on paid media in all but a few states. But really, this is a 4-5% campaign, with very little movement. Given the long-term stability excepting for major events, I expect that 4-5%, is where the campaign will end, with Obama winning between 325-350 electoral votes.

Also, on a methodological note, I have decided to exclude Zogby Internet polling from my averages for the remainder of the campaign season. While the rapid increase of cell phone only households require Internet polling to be the wave of the future, past Zogby interactive performances, combined with consistent outlier polls, just make me extremely uncomfortable with including them in my averages. The test I did on my methodology did not include any Zogby interactive polls, so I wouldn't even know if my method worked if Zogby was included.

State by state details in the extended entry.

Chris Bowers :: Presidential Forecast 10/17: 18 Days Left
Solid Obama: 253 Electoral Votes
State EV's Obama % McCain % Margin # Polls
California 55 55.3% 39.3% +16.0% 3
Connecticut 7 52.7% 37.3% +15.4% 3
Delaware 3 56.0% 38.3% +17.7% 3
D.C. 3 82.0% 13.0% +69.0% 1
Hawaii 4 65.5% 29.5% +36.0% 2
Illinois 21 55.0% 37.3% +17.7% 3
Iowa 7 53.3% 41.0% +12.3% 3
Maine-AL* 2 50.7% 41.7% +9.0% 3
Maine-01* 1 -- -- +12.2% 0
Maryland 10 55.3% 38.0% +17.3% 3
Massachusetts 12 58.7% 36.0% +22.7% 3
Michigan 17 51.3% 39.0% +12.3% 3
New Hampshire 4 52.7% 42.7% +10.0% 3
New Jersey 15 51.7% 39.7% +12.0% 3
New Mexico 5 50.7% 42.3% +8.4% 3
New York 31 59.7% 34.7% +25.0% 3
Oregon 7 54.7% 40.0% +14.7% 3
Pennsylvania 21 53.8% 40.2% +13.6% 5
Rhode Island 4 46.7% 30.3% +16.4% 3
Vermont 3 58.7% 35.3% +23.4% 3
Washington 11 53.0% 42.3% +10.7% 3
Wisconsin 10 52.3% 41.0% +11.3% 4

Lean Obama: 96 Electoral Votes
State EV's Obama % McCain % Margin # Polls
Colorado 9 50.0% 44.3% +5.7% 3
Florida 27 48.8% 45.3% +3.5% 6
Maine-02* 1 -- -- +5.8% 0
Minnesota 10 50.0% 43.7% +6.3% 3
Missouri 11 50.3% 46.0% +4.3% 4
Nevada 5 47.7% 45.0% +2.7% 3
Ohio 20 49.3% 46.0% +3.3% 3
Virginia 13 50.7% 44.3% +6.4% 3

Toss-up: 23 Electoral Votes
State EV's Obama % McCain % Margin # Polls
North Carolina 15 48.3% 46.7% +1.6% 3
North Dakota 3 44.7% 43.0% +1.7% 3
West Virginia 5 46.3% 47.0% -0.7% 3

Lean McCain: 12 Electoral Votes
State EV's Obama % McCain % Margin # Polls
Indiana 11 44.3% 50.0% -5.7% 3
Nebraska-02 1 44.0% 48.0% -4.0% 1

Solid McCain: 154 Electoral Votes
State EV's Obama % McCain % Margin # Polls
Alabama 9 36.3% 59.0% -22.7% 3
Alaska 3 38.3% 55.0% -16.7% 3
Arizona 10 38.3% 53.3% -15.0% 3
Arkansas 6 41.5% 52.0% -10.5% 2
Georgia 15 43.7% 51.0% -7.3% 3
Idaho 4 29.0% 66.0% -37.0% 3
Kansas 6 40.0% 52.7% -12.7% 3
Kentucky 8 40.3% 54.0% -13.7% 3
Louisiana 9 41.5% 52.5% -11.0% 2
Mississippi 6 41.0% 52.3% -11.3% 3
Montana 3 42.7% 51.3% -8.7% 3
Nebraska-AL** 2 35.5% 58.0% -22.5% 2
Nebraska-01** 1 -- -- -16.5% 0
Nebraska-03** 1 -- -- -40.5% 0
Oklahoma 7 34.0% 61.8% -27.8% 4
South Carolina 8 40.0% 54.0% -14.0% 3
South Dakota 3 38.0% 54.5% -16.5% 2
Tennessee 11 39.0% 55.7% -16.7% 3
Texas 34 40.3% 53.7% -13.4% 3
Utah 5 28.3% 63.7% -35.4% 3
Wyoming 3 34.3% 60.3% -26.0% 3

* Maine's four electoral votes are awarded as follows: two for the statewide winner, and one for the winner of each congressional district. ME-01 is about 3.2% more Democratic than the state as a whole, while ME-02 is about 3.2% less Democratic than the state as a whole.

** Nebraska's five electoral votes are awarded as follows: two for the statewide winner, and one for the winner of each congressional district. NE-01 is about 6.0% more Democratic than the state as a whole, NE-02 is about 11.0% more Democratic than the state as a whole, and NE-03 is about 18.0% less Democratic than the state as a whole. NE-02 is different right now, since there is an actual poll of the district.

Methodology
The forecast is updated whenever there are enough new polls to warrant an update. The methodology for the forecast is simple and straightforward.

  1. For each state, all polls with the majority of their interviews condcuted within the last 7 days from publication of the forecast are included in the averages. There are some necessary exceptions to this rule.
  2. Every state has at least three polls, so the first exception are states without three polls that meet the previous criteria. In the event that three polls taken within the past week are not available, the three most recent polls are used. (Note: "Most recent" is determined by the mid-point in the dates of the polls. For example, a poll taken from 9/15-9/17 has a mid-pint of 9/16. In the event that more than one poll shares the most recent mid-point (within 0.5), all polls with that mid-point are included in the average.)
  3. The second exception comes with polling firms that have conducted more than two poll in a state over the last 7 days. Every polling firm only has one poll per average.
  4. Almost no polling firm discrimination whatsoever. Polls are never excluded because the organization has a bad or partisan reputation. Non-random Internet sample polls are excluded, however.
  5. No pre-September polls. I'm just sick of including them.

During the final two weeks of the election, only polls taken entirely within the past seven days will be included in the averages (with the same exceptions listed above, of course).


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Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but... (0.00 / 0)
...how does 253 "solid" plus 10 "Minnesota" EV's put Obama over the top? That seems like 263, with Obama needing another 7 EV's (Virginia? Colorado?) to win.

Accordong to this forecast, Solid Obama + VA + MN > 270 (0.00 / 0)
The one that puts him over 270 is MN.

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Yes, that's it (4.00 / 1)
Virginia is slightly better than Minnesota right now. Really, they are the same, though.  

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I'm more optimistic (0.00 / 0)
But really, this is a 4-5% campaign, with very little movement. Given the long-term stability excepting for major events, I expect that 4-5%, is where the campaign will end, with Obama winning between 325-350 electoral votes.

I disagree for 2 reasons:

First, Obama was for much of this campaign underperforming somewhat -- this caused a lot of 'why isn't Obama winning by more' concern. This was probably due in part to his relative lack of experience and a related lack of confidence/trust in him from certain groups of voters. I think the debates and this financial crisis have convinced people that Obama's a pretty level-headed guy, especially relative to McCain. And a level-headed guy is what we need right now in this crisis.

Second, we're quite likely to see Obama overperform on election day due to GOTV. So wherever these averages settle into on the morning of 11/4, they might jump by a point or two or even three on election day once the returns start rolling in.


And maybe the COLIN POWELL ENDORSEMENT will help too! (4.00 / 2)
I was out for most of the morning, but don't think I missed your comment in the Powell MTP thread.  I still won't believe it until I see it. ;)

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Another reason to think it might tighten (0.00 / 0)
Since Obama is ahead, and right around 50% overall, the remaining undecided voters by definition skew conservative. Many of them are likely to return to McCain at the end of day, and may be starting to do so now, as we're getting pretty close to the election. For this reason, I think the key thing to look at is Obama's numbers: if they hold steady, then he's in good shape, even if McCain picks up a point or two. And I'm with Chris: I think at the end it'll be Obama by 4 or 5 in the polls.

But I agree that ground game and the enthusiasm gap might make a difference. Those factors, plus the cell-phone effect, make me think it wouldn't be surprising at all if Obama outperformed on election day by 3-4 points. (Not that I'm counting on it, of course.)


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Elections do tend to narrow as election day nears (0.00 / 0)
No doubt about that.

My gut feeling is that it's going to widen this year.


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Both campaigns feel that... (0.00 / 0)
...late deciders will go 70% towards McCain...

REID: Voting against us was never part of our arrangement!
SPECTER: I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!
REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!


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really? where have you heard this? (0.00 / 0)


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I've seen that figure mentioned (0.00 / 0)
Way below what McCain needs if Obama stays at 49-50.

[ Parent ]
Chuck Todd has said it in FirstRead.... (0.00 / 0)
....about a month ago...

REID: Voting against us was never part of our arrangement!
SPECTER: I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!
REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!


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Florida and Missouri, Georgia? (0.00 / 0)
I told you guys Florida and Missouri would go for Obama, and I take full credit for delivering these two states, no applause please, just throw wads of cash.  :-)

You guys better start looking closely at Georgia as well, because with each passing day that southern state looks to be more and more in play. Who would've ever imagined.


DC (0.00 / 0)
so McCain is still in double digit territory? I thought there was a real possibility of Cynthia McKinney coming in second.

The national poll averages are going down (0.00 / 0)
So I think you are correct here, that other contests will get closer.  And the state polling lags the national polling, as always, so I expect to see polling closer in the states.

I can see Ohio going back into the McCain column, and North Carolina, almost certainly (though I hope to be wrong!!).

Florida is the big one, that I don't want to turn back (and of course Virginia).

Figuring a 3% shift back, I still see Obama winning Nevada, and Virginia, and of course, Minnesota.

So the absolute worst case scenario I see is 290, unless there is a really big late October surprise.

Of course, Obama will probably do better than that, but you have to consider this the floor.


Kudos for throwing out Zogby! (0.00 / 0)
If he's going to produce trash, it should be thrown out with the trash. I have been a participant in Zogy internet polls. They are stupid and unscientific in methodology. Done on the cheap!

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