Population Density and the Obama-McCain Race: A Follow-Up

by: tremayne

Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 22:49


A few days ago I notice a pattern and did a little research to confirm it. It turns out if you know a state's population density, how many people are in it per square mile, you can make a good guess as to whether that state will  give its electors to Obama or McCain. In fact, at the time I wrote that, Obama led in the top 17 most dense states or districts and McCain led in 9 of the 11 least dense states (and the other 2 were close). The candidates split the middle 23 states.

The findings spurred a lot of discussion and many commenters wondered if the relationship would be stronger at finer granularity because some states (like Nevada) may not be very dense but it's only because huge parts of them are entirely empty while most people live within the cities. Matthew Yglesias linked to the piece and suggested looking at the county level.

Dave Schor took him up on it and ran the analysis. It turns out there is a correlation at the county level as well. But a related finding was more interesting. A county's relative density compared to the state as a whole matters more than it's absolute density. In other words, the most dense county in a non-dense state may vote for Obama at a higher rate than the second or third most dense county in a very dense state. More details here.

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Actually, it's the kind of density that matters (4.00 / 2)
Low population density may favor McCain.

But an extremely dense population also favors him.  The denser the people, the more the support.


McCain, you are my density (4.00 / 1)


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Good reference (0.00 / 0)
McCain = Biff Tannen?

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the population density thing isn't a surprise in itself (4.00 / 1)
If you're surrounded by other people in close quarters, your prejudices don't get time to fester and echo in your head. You have to learn to get along with other people, and that means tolerance, and that is certainly a Democratic trait.

But the other finding is very interesting indeed.


Also. (0.00 / 0)
You learn to depend on well-run government services (police, fire, schools, hospitals) and rules (such as zoning laws), rather than resent them.

I honestly think as people move closer to core cities and near suburbs because of energy costs they will vote more and more Democratic.

Where I live, our older suburbs are now far more Democratic than they used to be, and even our exburbs are starting to see the limitations of the Repub "government is the problem" philosophy.

For the same reason, I also think as the Sunbelt becomes more dense, they will continue to vote more Democratic and ditch the "rugged individualism" the Repubs are claiming to offer.

 


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Tentatively, how bout this? (0.00 / 0)
Highest population density equals largest city, urban area, etc. Second largest city/urban area equals white flight area affiliated with largest city?

Haven't read the original article yet, but at a guess this makes sense to me.


What state would this be true in? (0.00 / 0)
Most of the states I can think of, the largest city is pretty far away from the second largest city, and often, the second largest city is the more progressive--Houston, and then Dallas; LA and then San Fransisco, for example.  I don't think you could argue that Spokane was settled by white people fleeing Seattle, nor Kansas City by white people fleeing St. Louis.

It's an interesting theory, but anecodotally, at least, I don't think it quite holds up.


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California's second largest city is (0.00 / 0)
San Diego, not San Francisco. Isn't San Diego County a Republican stronghold? I thought I'd read that somewhere before. I'm not sure about the politics of the city itself.

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Counties, NOT cities (0.00 / 0)
In Georgia, we've got Fulton. Heavily democratic. Right next door, the original flight area, Dekalb. Not as conservative as it used to be, but still more so than Fulton. Then Gwinnet (i may have misspelled, it's early for me), which is almost totally GOP.

City size is entirely different. Atlanta, followed by Savannah, on the other end of the state and an entirely different world, then Columbus, military and completely different.

We're talking the demographics of county size.


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But the second largest county in a state (0.00 / 0)
will be the center of one of the largest cities, not the second largest county associated with the biggest city.  At least generically, I would think

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It's a valid question (0.00 / 0)
Not true here, but in other places, maybe. Atlanta is incredibly spread out, with the city itself not that big but with a Metro population pushing 3 million. My other home, so to speak, is Tennessee, where the 4 biggest counties used to be Memphis, Nashville, Knoxville and Chattanooga, in that order. There, Memphis trends Dem, Nashville GOP, Knoxville Dem, Chattanooga GOP. But the state trends GOP as a whole, even with Memphis, the 1.000.000 plus juggernaut, all the way over on the Mississippi going the other way. All 4 of the largest cities are widely spaced and contained mostly in one county.

Thanks for reminding me of that Valatan, I had forgotten. It would be easy enough to find out though. How bout it Tremayne? I had assumed Georgia to be the norm, but it may not be so.


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We were talking about this (4.00 / 2)
in my office (I'm a city planner) and one of my colleagues remembered some comments made by Republicans in Northern Virginia about Smart Growth.

"all it does is produce Democrats."

This is a bit old but this article puts it in perspective

http://www.washingtonpost.com/...

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High Population Density Probably (0.00 / 0)
correlates with some public sense of interconnectedness, of connection to, understanding of, and concern for others.

I recall that there was a strong correlation between feral pig population and propensity to vote Republican, as well.


Dems have a great future... (0.00 / 0)
as exurbs become unsustainable as transport costs rise.

Can it happen here?

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