Look To Colorado and Virginia

by: Chris Bowers

Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 15:58


The national polls are definitely tightening a bit. Looking across several national poll measurements, the movement in unmistakable:

Obama National Poll Margin, 10/13 and 10/18
Org 10/13 10/18 Shift
Pollster 8.0% 5.9% -2.1%
RCP 7.2% 6.3% -0.9%
Tremayne 7.5% 6.2% -1.3%
TPM 7.6% 5.2% -2.4%
538 8.0%* 6.6% -1.4%

* = Can't actually find the number. Going from user comments back on Monday

No matter which way you look at it, McCain has gained ground, really anywhere from 1%-2.5%, The varying movement comes from different organizations using different polls in their averages, and / or from weighting the polls differently in their averages. I tend to prefer Pollster.com, because it using all polls and applies equal weights to them ( I think).

Still, no matter which way you look at it, Obama still holds a strong lead, at least in comparison to the two most recent elections. He appears to lead by about 6% which, according to the partisan leanings of individual states in the 2004 election, would be enough to score 349 electoral votes: all of the Kerry states plus Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Missouri, Nevada, New Mexico, Ohio and Virginia. With none of the Kerry states remotely close right now, one then is prone to look at Iowa and New Mexico, which were the two narrowest Bush victories in 2004. Of the seven pickups listed above, they also happen to have the two widest margins for Obama right now according to Pollster.com and according to my own averages. So, even with a tightened campaign, we reach 264 electoral votes without breaking a sweat. And yes, there have been new state polls during the tightening period to confirm this.

So, which of the five remaining pickups are the best bets to secure victory for Obama? As long as I am allowed two answers that is actually a very easy question: Colorado and Virginia. Obama leads both of these states by 6% or more according to Pollster.com, Real Clear Politics, Electoral-Vote.com, fivethirtyeight.com, and myself. This puts both of these states right at, or possibly even above, the current national trendline. Excepting Iowa and New Mexico, they also currently give Obama noticeably wider leads than any of the other current pickup opportunities.

This is actually very good news, because it now means that Obama has not one, but two "low hanging fruit" paths to victory. If you are worried that Obama's lead is shrinking, my advice is simply to look to Colorado and Virginia. As long as he is ahead in one of those two states, then he is still headed to victory. Right now, he is so far ahead in both states, that there is virtually no chance he would the election. We have also been on real winning streaks in both states recently, picking up the Colorado Governorship (we already had the Virginia Governorship), two--and soon to be all four--U.S. Senate seats, two--and soon to be three or four--U.S. House seats, not to mention three of the four branches of the state legislatures. In other words, these are just not states where Democrats have been losing much at all.

Colorado and Virginia serve as a very strong two-state firewall. And remember, Obama only needs one.

Chris Bowers :: Look To Colorado and Virginia

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Probably correct on tightening (4.00 / 2)
Though I would caution that it is only based on tracking polls at the moment. It will be very interesting to see what the network sponsored polls come out with. Agree totally on VA and CO. Chuck Todd has said he doesn't see how Obama loses either.

You read my mind (0.00 / 0)
Looking at Colorado? I've been staring at it for a week. If that goes south, I will be in serious panic mode.

Chris .. (4.00 / 1)
did you see the pictures of the St Louis rally today? .. are you telling me that Missouri is not in play now? .. he got his biggest crowd of the campaign so far ... in freakin' Missouri!!!!

here is my tiering for Obama's 'firewalls': (4.00 / 2)
1st tier:
Colorado, Virginia

2nd tier:
Florida, Ohio, Missouri, Nevada

3rd tier:
North Carolina

in other words, i tend to agree with you that missouri is an underrated potential tipping point state.  here's why:

1) obama's ground game in the cities is evidently amazing.
2) missouri is regionally distinct from both virginia and colorado, meaning that theoretically he could drop in those states for regionally specific reasons, and yet not drop as far in missouri.  
3) missouri borders illinois, meaning that a certain degree of comfort with obama has probably bled over the border, and (more importantly), that illinois volunteers can flood into missouri fairly easily.
4) obama is there now, meaning that the campaign is seeing what i'm seeing, or something like it...


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Yeah (0.00 / 0)
I'm almost tempted to say that Missouri has moved ahead of Ohio. There are several very recent polls there that are very strong, not the least of which is Rasmussen showing Obama up by 6. It's also better demographically.

Conduct your own interview of Sarah Palin!

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i don't disagree with this.... (0.00 / 0)
not least because i would actually take a bit of pleasure in winning big without ohio.  as chris has been saying over the past couple of years, the future of the democratic party does not run through ohio.... might as well establish that clearly in this election.

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to clarify: (0.00 / 0)
i don't think chris has said anything in particular about ohio... just that the demographic breakdown of ohio makes it such that culturally conservative 'small town' or rural white voters end up as swing voters with great regularity.  

contrast this with VA and CO, where suburban/professional whites are the dominant swing population (as well as latinos in CO).  

seems to me that, while missouri is not too dissimilar to ohio, it is possible to have a base-centered strategy in missouri that is all about turning out the cities and minimizing losses elsewhere.  


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why do you say (0.00 / 0)
That Missouri is better demographically then Ohio? Looking at 04 exit polls they look almost identical?

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Well we saw four years ago that crowds aren't a great indicator (0.00 / 0)
But I would say, even if we consider a worst case scenario, that McCain has gained two points nationally, according to my own numbers (the same method lead me to get just one state wrong in 2004) only gets him back Missouri and makes Ohio and North Carolina 50-50. IA, NM, CO, VA, FL and NV are all beyond that margin. But again I'm not sure we can confirm a tightening just yet until we get some non-tracking numbers.  

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What do you mean? ... (0.00 / 0)
Kerry never got anything like these crowds .. and the crowds he did get(like Madison, WI) were places were Springsteen stumped with him the last few days of the campaign .. also .. when did Kerry ever campaign seriously in Missouri? .. think about that for a second .. the only Kerry state Obama even has a remote chance of losing is PA(and even that is slim and none) .. the swing states(or contested ones) are different now than four years ago

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I mean that crowds can be an indicator (0.00 / 0)
But they are far from being the be all and end all.

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Of course ... (0.00 / 0)
but lets face it .. is McCain going to get that kind of crowd .. if you stuck him in that same St Louis park? .. first .. he wouldn't because they can't control the crowd .. second .. only the base wants to hear the negative crap coming from McPalin

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Tightening of the polls (0.00 / 0)
I could see this coming down to Colorado or Virginia. Obama looks good in those states right now. I hope that the recent article in the Rolling Stone by RFK Jr. & Greg Palast exaggerates the potential for voter disenfranchisement.  

Why is it tightening, specifically? (0.00 / 0)
Are voters buying into the lies about ACORN, CRA, voter fraud, etc.? Is it Joe the Plumber and Obama's ill-chosen remarks about wealth redistribution? Palin no longer being featured as prominently? Robocalls and more intense TV ads? GOP GOTV kicking into high gear? Obama fatigue? The Bradley effect? Something else that either candidate said or did recently? Or just an historically natural process of tightening at this stage of an election?

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton

yeah, unfortunately, we don't know. nt. (4.00 / 1)


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It's probably nothing (0.00 / 0)
Look at Tremayne's plot.  1% changes are to be expected, and if you decide to measure against the largest point ever seen, then naturally Obama is down.

New Jersey politics at Blue Jersey.

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see my post below but here is a new idea: (0.00 / 0)
Pollster.com shows a tightening because of two new additions to their polling universe:

1. IBD/TIPP debuted last week and, for whatever reason, shows a tighter race. Because IBD/TIPP didn't exist in their universe prior to last week this makes the race "look" tighter.

2. Same as the reasoning above but apply it to the "new" Gallop LV poll results. Prior to last week they only had RV results. You throw in the new LV results and suddenly it looks like a tightening but it isn't.

I believe there is a lot less "real" tightening than most do.


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Which would also fit my hypothesis (0.00 / 0)
That a lack of non-trackers in recent days could be skewing things. Remember, the trend has usually been for network and university polls to show larger margins than the trackers.

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Obama's lead in TIPP... (4.00 / 2)
...is expanding, actually... 7.3% today!  So, that's at least a nugget of good news!

REID: Voting against us was never part of our arrangement!
SPECTER: I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!
REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!


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I think it's Republicans coming home (0.00 / 0)
There were a lot of Republicans that were mad that McCain was running such a crappy campaign and were iffy about turning out. They got some red meat at the debate, so now they're more excited.

Conduct your own interview of Sarah Palin!

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Still Iffy. (0.00 / 0)
I don't know if those Repug Men are going to turn out in the numbers expected. We'll see.

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Do the crosstabs support that? (0.00 / 0)
Because if this is true, then it should parallel what took place right after the RNC. If so, I'd say that this is good for Obama, since McCain can't win with a base + 1/3 of indies (which is the percentage he's getting) strategy. If indies vote this way, and our base turnout is what it's predicted to be, every single Repub could vote for him and he'd still lose.

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton

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Last few days I think they do (0.00 / 0)
McCain tops out with Repubs while Obama does slightly under that with Dems but the breakdown is much the same as how Bush and Kerry performed with their own party in 2004. Of course the difference this year is there should be more Dems than Repubs, at least +5 Dems compared to an even turnout four years ago. And though Kerry won indies then it was only by a point and from the available numbers Obama leads with unafiliated voters by anything from 4 points in Kos/R2k to 16 points in Zogby. Also, Obama could even narrowly lose indies because many are likely to be former Repubs - people who used to be unafiliated are now calling themselves Democrats, hence the partisan lead.

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TIPP also has Obama up 4 with indies (0.00 / 0)
But Obama doing a shade better with Dems than McCain does with Repubs.

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Obama has been consistently leading with indies (0.00 / 0)
So even though McCain's doing slightly better with Repubs than Obama has been with Dems (which is probably mostly racism), between his large lead among indies and the fact that there are now substantially more Dems than Repubs, I don't see how he can lose, unless this significantly changes, or something major happens.

But given the surreal nature of the times that we live in, I wouldn't rule anything out.

Anything.

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton


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Regression to the mean (4.00 / 1)
Nothing more.  Nothing less.

Obama is up by anywhere from 5.2% to 6.6% nationally.  That is a GOOD position to be in.


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Remember 8% Is A Wipeout (0.00 / 0)
Obama ahead by double digits was not realistic.  5-6% still means a HUGE win. The issue is not whether it tightens but whether McCain shows any real momentum going into the last seven days to create an upset. So far,a number of white men may be deciding that they  can't vote for Obama - but will they vote at all? Or will the enthusiasm gap prove to be the ultimate deciding factor - propelling Obama to comfortable win.  

Missouri & Ohio (0.00 / 0)
Those are the two I want.

Apparently McCain still leads in the "real Virginia" (0.00 / 0)
yes (4.00 / 1)
and he's unstoppable in the other "real" parts of America such as Idaho and Alaska.

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Ya know Dems get branded as being "out of touch" with middle America (0.00 / 0)
And the "Heartland". Yet it is only Republicans I ever see explicitly denigrating entire swathes of the country. Go figure.

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